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Pre Flashpoint

Lobo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lobo.
No.

Breaking 4th wall, with Loony Tunes ability. OP never specified he wasn't allowed.

Before or after Kurse beats his ass down? Because Lobo loves to go h2h more than anybody.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Before or after Kurse beats his ass down? Because Lobo loves to go h2h more than anybody.

He also likes to threaten the writers of his stories, so...I guess before?

Its good that here he doesn't has a writer to threaten.

He threatens all of us

Lobo wins.

Lobo does not win, he's way underpowered in this fight, and would lose about as quickly as Beta Ray Bill would. This isn't really a bad thing, it's just that Kurse is a level above Lobo. Fourth wall shenanigans aside, She Hulk was doing things of that nature, and Kurse would wear her out as well.

Lobo wins. He's just too fast, has an insane regenerative ability, and in a forums setting, he'd use his hog and all of his guns more often than not.

Kurse

Is Kurse still vulnerable to iron?

Doesn't Lobo carry a crap ton of iron (or alloys thereof) on him?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is Kurse still vulnerable to iron?

Doesn't Lobo carry a crap ton of iron (or alloys thereof) on him? yes

Originally posted by abhilegend
Before or after Kurse beats his ass down? Because Lobo loves to go h2h more than anybody.

He also loves using weapons. It's how he beat Mask, with a "guilt grenade".

Plus, he killed his planet with a swarm of mechanical insects, when he was a kid. Figured out covering himself in yellow blood was the easiest way to beat down a GL... He's not just some mindless brawler, he has a brain, too.

Even in straight hand to hand, he stood toe to toe with Despero, who was one shot KOing Gardner and Martian Manhunter.

I'd put League wrecking Despero against Kurse any day.

Are Lobo's weapons actually made of iron? I thought that he mentioned that his chains were made of steel. Why would his shivs be made of iron? It's a weaker metal.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are Lobo's weapons actually made of iron? I thought that he mentioned that his chains were made of steel. Why would his shivs be made of iron? It's a weaker metal.

Well, steel is an iron alloy. So.....maybe that counts?

Originally posted by Stoic
Are Lobo's weapons actually made of iron? I thought that he mentioned that his chains were made of steel. Why would his shivs be made of iron? It's a weaker metal.

Hence why I said alloys thereof. Steel's main component is iron, the rest is carbon (about 2%) plus trace elements.

As for steel/iron, let's us all take a knee, and listen to the wise wise words of Hercules:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/62144/1405654-herc_1.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As for steel/iron, let's us all take a knee, and listen to the wise wise words of Hercules:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/62144/1405654-herc_1.jpg

So Thor's fights with Kurse would be immensely easier if he just used the old gladiator equivalent of brass knuckles?

Oh I thought that it had to be pure iron. If that's the case, sure, he could just pull out his fragamatic's and pop caps in his ass until he dies. H2H isn't happening though.

Or just hit him with a car or something. Every fight with Hulk or Herc, they empty out the salvage yards, but never against Kurse.

And if Thor was actually the kind of guy who would try and take advantage of his opponent's weak spot, I guess.

Originally posted by cdtm
Or just hit him with a car or something. Every fight with Hulk or Herc, they empty out the salvage yards, but never against Kurse.

That would be too logical for Thor to pull off.

Originally posted by cdtm
Or just hit him with a car or something. Every fight with Hulk or Herc, they empty out the salvage yards, but never against Kurse.

Featureless battlefield unless they are fighting in a city with cars driving all over the place. Basically what cars? If there were nothing to draw from, and just the two of them fighting it out H2H no weapons. Kurse would beat the mess out of him. With weapons Lobo should take it as long as he stays out of reach.

Originally posted by Stoic
Oh I thought that it had to be pure iron. If that's the case, sure, he could just pull out his fragamatic's and pop caps in his ass until he dies. H2H isn't happening though.

His chains, that hook, knives, frag grenades, missile launchers, guns, ramming his bike into Kurse...he has a fair few options.

Not to mention, IF he wanted to use it, a Red Ring of his own.

Plus he has that stupid ass HF....

Originally posted by Stoic
Featureless battlefield unless they are fighting in a city with cars driving all over the place. Basically what cars? If there were nothing to draw from, and just the two of them fighting it out H2H no weapons. Kurse would beat the mess out of him. With weapons Lobo should take it as long as he stays out of reach.

I think he was referring to fights in comics, not a forum battle.

Originally posted by Stoic
Featureless battlefield unless they are fighting in a city with cars driving all over the place. Basically what cars? If there were nothing to draw from, and just the two of them fighting it out H2H no weapons. Kurse would beat the mess out of him. With weapons Lobo should take it as long as he stays out of reach.

Talking about your average comic book fight. Cars and other vehicles get tossed around all the time in fights at the class 15 mark and above.

Lobo easily.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So Thor's fights with Kurse would be immensely easier if he just used the old gladiator equivalent of brass knuckles?
What is Mjolnir made of?

Maybe the chemical composition of Mjolnir (as well as Asgardian armor and weapons) does not contain any iron?

Edit: I think I've seen Magneto control Mjolnir, so yeah it should mess up Kurse, logically speaking.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
What is Mjolnir made of?

Maybe the chemical composition of Mjolnir (as well as Asgardian armor and weapons) does not contain any iron?

Edit: I think I've seen Magneto control Mjolnir, so yeah it should mess up Kurse, logically speaking.

It's made of uru. Which far as I know is a type of rock. But I could be mistaken.

Iron Hook and chain.

Kurse stomps

Originally posted by carver9
Kurse gets stomped fixed that for you.

Originally posted by carver9
Kurse stomps

Lol.

Wait, what?

Lobo is beating Kurse?

I'm hoping you guys mean with magical access to a shit ton of iron weapons otherwise he gets decimated by a much stronger opponent.

And even then, Kurse's weakness to iron is a lot less severe than other dark elves. IIRC, he was taken out for some time with iron but that was when a building worth of iron fell on him and he freed himself unhurt. He doesn't just burn at it's touch or collapse at it's presence.

If Lobo grabs an iron crowbar and thinks he's going to take down Kurse with it, he's in for a world of hurt.

Kurse is not a regular dark elf. The iron that would have stopped algrim the strong is not stopping Kurse, Yes he can be hurt by iron, but not anywhere near as close as a regular elf. Kurse would tear lobo to pieces the minute he gets his hands on him. Remember, Kurse was buried under tons of iron and steel yet he busted out without a scratch on him and that was the Kurse who was only twice as strong as Thor.

Honest question here.

I read the Kurse comics, because I wanted to know what was so great about him.

Honestly I was not impressed, I mean yes, he is 4 times stronger than Thor, but under Walter Simonson what feats of strength Thor has that will make Kurse an extraordinary foe?

Maybe on Walt eyes Thor has a limit which in turn it will get surpassed by Kurse for 4 times

Since different writers have Thor at different strength levels 4 times stronger is a very vague term.

Walt Simonson was the one who had Hercules to lift a city on a made up story.

Because saying that Kurse is strong because he is 4 times stronger than Thor and then saying that Thor is strong because he is Thor is kind of a circular reasoning argument.

So how strong is Thor under Walt Simonson?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Honest question here.

I read the Kurse comics, because I wanted to know what was so great about him.

Honestly I was not impressed, I mean yes, he is 4 times stronger than Thor, but under Walter Simonson what feats of strength Thor has that will make Kurse an extraordinary foe?

Maybe on Walt eyes Thor has a limit which in turn it will get surpassed by Kurse for 4 times

Since different writers have Thor at different strength levels 4 times stronger is a very vague term.

Walt Simonson was the one who had Hercules to lift a city on a made up story.

Because saying that Kurse is strong because he is 4 times stronger than Thor and then saying that Thor is strong because he is Thor is kind of a circular reasoning argument.

So how strong is Thor under Walt Simonson? In the same class as superman.

Originally posted by JBL
In the same class as a weakened superman.

Thanks for your vague useless response, LBJ's

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Thanks for your vague useless response, LBJ's Hurts to learn that don't it?? Your desire to lowball Kurse is laughable at best.

Originally posted by LBJ's
Hurts to learn that don't it?? Your desire to lowball Kurse is laughable at best.


??? Lowball kurse? Nah! You think I am you?

So how strong is Thor under Simonson?

If you can't answer an straight question don't respond to it and let the adults do the talking

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Honest question here.

I read the Kurse comics, because I wanted to know what was so great about him.

Honestly I was not impressed, I mean yes, he is 4 times stronger than Thor, but under Walter Simonson what feats of strength Thor has that will make Kurse an extraordinary foe?

Maybe on Walt eyes Thor has a limit which in turn it will get surpassed by Kurse for 4 times

Since different writers have Thor at different strength levels 4 times stronger is a very vague term.

Walt Simonson was the one who had Hercules to lift a city on a made up story.

Because saying that Kurse is strong because he is 4 times stronger than Thor and then saying that Thor is strong because he is Thor is kind of a circular reasoning argument.

So how strong is Thor under Walt Simonson?



I think I get what you're trying to say, but this argument as presented is just dumb.

It ignores the entire relative aspect of comic books first of all, i.e. one writer has top tiers top out at city level and another at planet level. Second, it puts an emphasis on pure strength feats in favor of combat because it implies that the only way to know how strong Kurse is, is by how much Thor was able to bench in that story.

The moment you start applying this to beings like Hunter Prey or Darkseid, you'd immediately back track.....

I might have been inclined to believe that you were just trying to gauge Simonson's Thor power levels BUT......you then try and lowball Thor, and through him, Kurse, by referencing a made up story where Hercules lifts a city (I don't even know how that could possibly be relevant). The funny part is that Simonson didn't even write that Hercules issue.

And how strong was Walter Simonson's Thor? As strong as ever, elite level and not in anyway below Lobo or something if that's what you are implying (Which is where you are going with this, let's not pretend otherwise). Although Walter Simonson put story first. IIRC he said that he'd have Thor lifting a car or moving a galaxy if the story required it. But since you want evidence of his power under Simonson, just read his fight with the Midgard Serpent. Or the Surtur arc. and so on. The entire run had impressive feats for Thor and his cast here and there.

In pure strength terms without any involvement of Mjolnir, a weakened Thor lifted the foot of the Midgard Serpent in his Fafnir form.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

So how strong is Thor under Walt Simonson?

What kind of question is this?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


I think I get what you're trying to say, but this argument as presented is just dumb.

It ignores the entire relative aspect of comic books first of all, i.e. one writer has top tiers top out at city level and another at planet level. Second, it puts an emphasis on pure strength feats in favor of combat because it implies that the only way to know how strong Kurse is, is by how much Thor was able to bench in that story.

The moment you start applying this to beings like Hunter Prey or Darkseid, you'd immediately back track.....

I might have been inclined to believe that you were just trying to gauge Simonson's Thor power levels BUT......you then try and lowball Thor, and through him, Kurse, by referencing a made up story where Hercules lifts a city (I don't even know how that could possibly be relevant). The funny part is that Simonson didn't even write that Hercules issue.

And how strong was Walter Simonson's Thor? As strong as ever, elite level and not in anyway below Lobo or something if that's what you are implying (Which is where you are going with this, let's not pretend otherwise). Although Walter Simonson put story first. IIRC he said that he'd have Thor lifting a car or moving a galaxy if the story required it. But since you want evidence of his power under Simonson, just read his fight with the Midgard Serpent. Or the Surtur arc. and so on. The entire run had impressive feats for Thor and his cast here and there.

In pure strength terms without any involvement of Mjolnir, a weakened Thor lifted the foot of the Midgard Serpent in his Fafnir form. Its his lame and well known plot to lowball Thor and Kurse. Tell him to put Lobo up against Surtur or the Midgard surpent an see what happens.

Originally posted by carver9
What kind of question is this? A very dumb one.

What's to stop lobo from riding his hog around kurse and using all of his frags, guns, and nukes on him (in addition to the iron in his weapons)?

Originally posted by deathslash
What's to stop lobo from riding his hog around kurse and using all of his frags, guns, and nukes on him (in addition to the iron in his weapons)? Not trying to be funny, but probably death.

Under Walt, Thor was unable to lift a troll queen in Thor 369 untill Balder distracted her.

facepalm

How do you even remember a specific moment that could be perceived as a low showing from a specific writer down to the issue number?

And it's not even effective lowballing because the opponent was actively wrestling with Thor. And he gathering his strength to free himself and did when Balder distracted her:
http://s27.postimg.org/hbwbefvvj/Thor_1986_369_18.jpg http://s27.postimg.org/ej85rj1un/Thor_1986_369_19.jpg http://s27.postimg.org/l6zph0f1b/Thor_1986_369_20.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/ho50stg9d/Thor_1986_369_21.jpg

Not to mention that Thor notes twice that he's weakened/drained:
http://s27.postimg.org/udi04ak9v/Thor_1986_368_22.jpg
http://s8.postimg.org/3t6qaclud/Thor_1986_369_03.jpg

Is lowballing, and terribly at that, a side effect of liking Superman?

mhmm

That just stuck as a funny moment just as Thor stating that colliding with stone roof would crush him. Walt's Thor was inconsistency incarnate, heck he was afraid he would die in lava.

http://i.imgur.com/prLJUiw.jpg

Its funny you mention being fatigued by wearing belt of strength as genuinely weakened though.

And he stated that her bulk pinned his arms. Not due to wrestling.

http://postimg.org/image/l6zph0f1b/



Dat salt.

That wasn't you trying to be funny, that was you trying to lowball and cast Thor in a negative light specifically because of the context of this discussion. And there you go again.

But he didn't die in lava (Why is that even relevant in a strength discussion?) and has withstood infinitely worse under Simonson, even in regards to heat, so why bring it up when we know the mindset that Walter wrote his comics with? I.e. dramatic danger (Not inconsistency like you implied because his Thor always finds a way whether it's a street level threat or a cosmic one).

Her bulk was obviously pinning him down but she wasn't a large dumbbell or something. She was actively wrestling Thor down and exerting her own strength. Why do you need something that's drawn for you also spelled out for you?

http://www.panelsonpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bloodheal.jpeg

We forgetting his HF?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That just stuck as a funny moment just as Thor stating that colliding with stone roof would crush him. Walt's Thor was inconsistency incarnate, heck he was afraid he would die in lava.

http://i.imgur.com/prLJUiw.jpg

Its funny you mention being fatigued by wearing belt of strength as genuinely weakened though.

And he stated that her bulk pinned his arms. Not due to wrestling.

http://postimg.org/image/l6zph0f1b/



Dat salt.


Damn Abhi... You are one sad dude.

Originally posted by JBL
Not trying to be funny, but probably death. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://www.panelsonpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bloodheal.jpeg

We forgetting his HF? I'm not but it seems like everyone else is.

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm not but it seems like everyone else is. How many times have Lobo been beaten and did his HF save him then?

Originally posted by JBL
How many times have Lobo been beaten and did his HF save him then?

I thought they fought to the best of their ability?

Besides, you have to use the right incarnation. Me saying Thanos gets beaten, for example, is silly considering he's had several iterations.

Lobo definitely has. Previous incarnations meant his blood did this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78294/1495179-1493285_lobo00914clones4yv_super.jpg

For example. So you'll need to disregard defeats suffered by different versions.

And lets forget he has a history of walking all over high end heralds. Barda, a match for Wonder Woman, couldn't even slow him down and had to resort to bfr via boom toob, and was at Lobo's mercy in round 2.

Most of his fights with Captain Marvel, Guy Gardner, Mon El, and even Superman and team wrecker Despero had him barely phased to outright tanking their best shots. (And Gardner and Despero don't hold back.)

Sure, he has his low ends like the blitz from Eclipsed Superman, but on average his hf and damage soak is close to Shaggy Man/General levels.

Lobo shits on logic. He wins.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486624_09.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486628_10.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486633_11.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486637_12.jpg
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http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486639_LoboAuth-38.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486643_LoboAuth-39.jpg

Logic??

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/loboheadless1.jpg

Originally posted by JBL
In the same class as superman.

Your ignorance is true comedy gold.

If you really had read Simonson's masterpiece you would know your comment makes no sense.

Which storylines/writers have Thor definitively in the same tier as Superman?

I'll give you the neutered Byrne/Wolfman/Jurgens version to work with.

Lobo.uhuh

Thor Corps DO NOT intercede on JBL's behalf!

Originally posted by Galan007
Lobo shits on logic. He wins.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486624_09.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486628_10.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486633_11.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486637_12.jpg
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http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486639_LoboAuth-38.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19486643_LoboAuth-39.jpg someone post scans of the time that he soloed all of the forces of Hell, and then ran a train on a group of powerful magic users.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


I think I get what you're trying to say, but this argument as presented is just dumb.

It ignores the entire relative aspect of comic books first of all, i.e. one writer has top tiers top out at city level and another at planet level. Second, it puts an emphasis on pure strength feats in favor of combat because it implies that the only way to know how strong Kurse is, is by how much Thor was able to bench in that story.

Not really, I am focusing on strength because I have been told that Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor, so why will be dumb to ask how strong was Thor under that writer?

Writers have different points of view and think different about characters, Simonson's Thor relies more on the things He can accomplish with Mjolnir than on his physical strength and is not presented as a incredibly strong during his whole run, well He is as strong as Hercules, but again how physically strong Simonson portrays Herc?

Other writer had him not being that impressive physically and actually professor Hulk put up a better fight to Thor than Kurse




Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The moment you start applying this to beings like Hunter Prey or Darkseid, you'd immediately back track.....

Doomsday strength level is easy to track all the way up to Doomsday wars, because he was written by his creator the same way as this Simonson's Kurse. And the strength level of Superman during that era is also easy to track as all his books were interconnected.
Besides that under the same writer Doomsday has under his belt defeating the JLA with one hand and defeating several Green Lantern.

So We know that under the same writer Doomsday was strong, and We know he defeated several enemies and We have an idea of how strong Jurgens thinks a PRE DOS Superman is.

Why are we giving a free pass to Kurse into thinking that he is incredibly strong? Just because he is "4 times stronger" who has Kurse defeated?, does he has under his belt defeating the Avengers with one hand? Killing sonmeone who waqs thought to be undefetable? Who has Kurse defeated to place him so high on the food chain? Just because he can offset the strength of Simonson's Thor, is not really cutting it for me, to be honest.

Some writers might believe a character physical attributes as not as high as others and some might think that their other powers might made up for the lack of physical attributes


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I might have been inclined to believe that you were just trying to gauge Simonson's Thor power levels BUT......you then try and lowball Thor, and through him, Kurse, by referencing a made up story where Hercules lifts a city (I don't even know how that could possibly be relevant). The funny part is that Simonson didn't even write that Hercules issue.

You are right that Simonson did not wrote that issue, but lets see how strong does Simonson think Hercules is? Considering that 4 characters were needed to topple a huge giant door, it doe not seems that Simonson thinks, Hercules or Thor might be that physically strong. Especially if they are compared with other characters

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And how strong was Walter Simonson's Thor? As strong as ever, elite level

as strong as ever? I seriously doubt that, he has better physical strength feats under other writers as a matter of fact, Walt Simonson is the one who had Thor physically struggling fighting against Gladiator when Thor had an amp basically and Gladiator was handicapped from being tired

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
and not in anyway below Lobo or something if that's what you are implying (Which is where you are going with this, let's not pretend otherwise).

Implying that you knew where was I going with this question I made originally is kind of funny as if you knew what I am really thinking. but lets forget about this psychic reading business and focus on what We have at hand.

Lobo under Bogdanove was fighting a guy who was casually tossing small moon sized ship coming out of hyperspace (meaning moving almost FTL) what type of feat of pure strength like that Thor or Kurse had under Simonson?


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Although Walter Simonson put story first. IIRC he said that he'd have Thor lifting a car or moving a galaxy if the story required it. But since you want evidence of his power under Simonson, just read his fight with the Midgard Serpent. Or the Surtur arc. and so on. The entire run had impressive feats for Thor and his cast here and there.

Yes Simonson had Thor relaying more on Mjolnir than anything else a lot of his fights had the power of Mjolnir heavily involved and the physical attributes of Thor were not portrayed as high as other writers might have.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In pure strength terms without any involvement of Mjolnir, a weakened Thor lifted the foot of the Midgard Serpent in his Fafnir form.

This is what I asked originally and this simple answer might have suffice instead of you trying to read my mind and justify the lack of physical feats of Simonson's Thor

Since this is Simonson's own creation (Kurse) I ask why is he placed so high on the food chain, he certainly does not have under his belt the enemies Darkseid or Doomsday has defeated and certainly Simonson's Thor is not presented as incredible strong to put him even on herald category based on his pure strength So why Kurse is placed so high above in terms of strength, just because he is ALLEGEDLY 4 times stronger than Thor? Other witer had Thor performing better against Kurse and Thor IIRC did not even had the belt of strength, even Professor Hulk performed better than Kurse.

So why are We giving a free pass to Kurse, just because he had some lip service from Simonson? Maybe is because circular logic is used to give Kurse that strength level. :/

If we give this type of free passes lets bring charatcers that are 4 times stronger than Byrne Superman and then place them on the Trans level category when it comes to strength.

That is my point of view

So based on what I have read about Both Characters Lobo will defeat Kurse.

Originally posted by deathslash
someone post scans of the time that he soloed all of the forces of Hell, and then ran a train on a group of powerful magic users. http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490832_Reign_in_Hell_08013.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490834_Reign_in_Hell_08015.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490840_Reign_in_Hell_08016.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490843_Reign_in_Hell_08017.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490846_Reign_in_Hell_08018.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490850_Reign_in_Hell_08023.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490853_Reign_in_Hell_08024.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490855_Reign_in_Hell_08025.jpg

...still impresses the hell out of me.

Originally posted by Galan007
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490832_Reign_in_Hell_08013.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490834_Reign_in_Hell_08015.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490840_Reign_in_Hell_08016.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490843_Reign_in_Hell_08017.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490846_Reign_in_Hell_08018.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490850_Reign_in_Hell_08023.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490853_Reign_in_Hell_08024.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490855_Reign_in_Hell_08025.jpg

...still impresses the hell out of me. phuckin right! That's still one of lobo's coolest feats.

Wow.. Lobo tore up a high powered magic team even easier then Spectre has.

Imagine how epic a fight with hell lord Neron would be? Even in hell?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That wasn't you trying to be funny, that was you trying to lowball and cast Thor in a negative light specifically because of the context of this discussion. And there you go again.

But he didn't die in lava (Why is that even relevant in a strength discussion?) and has withstood infinitely worse under Simonson, even in regards to heat, so why bring it up when we know the mindset that Walter wrote his comics with? I.e. dramatic danger (Not inconsistency like you implied because his Thor always finds a way whether it's a street level threat or a cosmic one).

Her bulk was obviously pinning him down but she wasn't a large dumbbell or something. She was actively wrestling Thor down and exerting her own strength. Why do you need something that's drawn for you also spelled out for you?
Of course I was being funny. The fact that you had to add your butthurt about it made it funnier.

And now you disregard Thor's own words. But that's how you roll, so I am not surprised at all.

Bwahaha, oh dude. You make it so easy.Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Damn Abhi... You are one sad dude.
Dat Salt.

Originally posted by cdtm
Wow.. Lobo tore up a high powered magic team even easier then Spectre has.

Imagine how epic a fight with hell lord Neron would be? Even in hell?
Well, to be fair, it wasn't Kent Nelson or Nabu at the helm of Dr. Fate.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Well, to be fair, it wasn't Kent Nelson or Nabu at the helm of Dr. Fate. even so, he still tore through Fate like he was tissue paper

Originally posted by Galan007
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490832_Reign_in_Hell_08013.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490834_Reign_in_Hell_08015.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490840_Reign_in_Hell_08016.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490843_Reign_in_Hell_08017.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490846_Reign_in_Hell_08018.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490850_Reign_in_Hell_08023.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490853_Reign_in_Hell_08024.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/19490855_Reign_in_Hell_08025.jpg

...still impresses the hell out of me. I'm still curious about when exactly the "real Lobo" was placed in hell.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your ignorance is true comedy gold.

If you really had read Simonson's masterpiece you would know your comment makes no sense.

Which storylines/writers have Thor definitively in the same tier as Superman?

I'll give you the neutered Byrne/Wolfman/Jurgens version to work with. As long as I'm writing the character, he won't be so strong that he makes other characters look foolish. He is just in the same league as the Hulk, Thor, Superman, Sentry, Orion, J'onn J'onzz, etc. He's NOT above them." Interview with creator Kevin Grevioux

He's talking about his creation the Blue Marvel. And he used the word STRONG. Oh yeah, Thor's name is in there. The day you get your nose out of superman's butt and actually look at writers and creators statements and interviews, you would look less like a donkeys rear when you post your love for the house of Els cape wearing Idol.

Coming from a huge Thor fanboy writer who has never even written Superman? The same writer who said Thor was actually stronger than Superman?

crylaugh

Originally posted by abhilegend


Coming from a huge Thor fanboy writer who has never even written Superman? The same writer who said Thor was actually stronger than Superman?

crylaugh Have you written superman? You are a huge superman fanboy READER yet you laugh at a WRITER who knows and creates character powers????? WOW, a brand new low.

Lobo is a major league bruiser, but hes not in Kurses class. Kurse even at his lowest level beat up Thor, and I wouldnt give Lobo the win over Thor, and thats if this Kurse isnt the uber 4xThor version. Decent fight, but in the end Lobo goes down.

Originally posted by JBL
Have you written superman? You are a huge superman fanboy READER yet you laugh at a WRITER who knows and creates character powers????? WOW, a brand new low.
No, but I know that Grievoux has never written Superman so he has no idea of how powerful Superman is. The guy said Thing can take 4/10 against Superman FFS.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, but I know that Grievoux has never written Superman so he has no idea of how powerful Superman is. The guy said Thing can take 4/10 against Superman FFS. I will give you a moment to reflect on what you just said and hope and pray you see the utter foolishness in what you just said.

Originally posted by DTM
Lobo is a major league bruiser, but hes not in Kurses class. Kurse even at his lowest level beat up Thor, and I wouldnt give Lobo the win over Thor, and thats if this Kurse isnt the uber 4xThor version. Decent fight, but in the end Lobo goes down.

But then, Power Pack maanged to put the hurting on him, without seeking to kill him:

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans15/PP18_vsKurse.jpg

He dug himself out, true, but being smashed on by cars etc is enough to cause him pain. Whereas Lobo packs tons of weaponry that could hurt him, and are far more lethal than a car.

Originally posted by JBL
I will give you a moment to reflect on what you just said and hope and pray you see the utter foolishness in what you just said.
Oh shut up.

I don't understand why people are being so stringent on the writers point of view? Beta Ray Bill and Stardust had huge wars, Thor and the Surfer had huge wars, and this is before, and after Simonson ever took on the book. I thought that there was a rule of averages? If we stick with low showings Lobo has them as well. Lobo was rocked by a normal human with a sledge hammer to the jaw, this is hardly a guy that should be taking on someone that quadruples Thor in strength. So how about we average it out? Also trying to prove that Thor is weak is pretty silly in my opinion Rao.

Are there any high end feats of Kurse vs iron? Genuine question here, I'm not as familiar with him as I am Lobo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Are there any high end feats of Kurse vs iron? Genuine question here, I'm not as familiar with him as I am Lobo.


Powers and abilities

Kurse possesses a number of superhuman attributes as a result of his natural dark elf physiology and mystical augmentation. Kurse's main advantage against foes is his strength - while initially a close match for Thor, his strength was first increased to twice, and then four times, that of Thor. Courtesy of enchanted armor that was fused to his skin by the Beyonder, Kurse is now almost totally invulnerable but like all Dark Elves is vulnerable to the element iron (Iron not comic book steel). Kurse also has the ability to sense and track his opponents over distances as great as continents and can see through illusions and disguises. His armor is a living, sentient, and enchanted armor that allows Kurse to see everything around him.

It says that he is vulnerable to Iron, not that it's going to automatically drop him off the charts. With it, that means that Lobo could do him harm, but this does not stop Kurse from doing harm to Lobo as well. It would be like being in a regular fight, as Lobo would be unable to hurt him without iron. How is his iron weakness a well known fact to the general public though?

Let's inspect this iron vulnerability a little bit. If Lobo does not have iron, this means that he would never be able to hurt Kurse, while with it he would be able to put some damage on him. Does Kurse stand there and take assault after assault, or will he fight back? I'm not buying Lobo's hog being able to take Kurse down either. Kurse was beating the life out of Beta Ray Bill, and Thor. Both of these guys can take a hell of a beating. If you look at Bill's fight with Stardust, you see how much abuse he can take. That's just Bill.

Since steel is not iron, Kurse may only take half damage from it, if any at all.

Originally posted by Stoic
Powers and abilities

Kurse possesses a number of superhuman attributes as a result of his natural dark elf physiology and mystical augmentation. Kurse's main advantage against foes is his strength - while initially a close match for Thor, his strength was first increased to twice, and then four times, that of Thor. Courtesy of enchanted armor that was fused to his skin by the Beyonder, Kurse is now almost totally invulnerable but like all Dark Elves is vulnerable to the element iron (Iron not comic book steel). Kurse also has the ability to sense and track his opponents over distances as great as continents and can see through illusions and disguises. His armor is a living, sentient, and enchanted armor that allows Kurse to see everything around him.

It says that he is vulnerable to Iron, not that it's going to automatically drop him off the charts. With it, that means that Lobo could do him harm, but this does not stop Kurse from doing harm to Lobo as well. It would be like being in a regular fight, as Lobo would be unable to hurt him without iron. How is his iron weakness a well known fact to the general public though?

Let's inspect this iron vulnerability a little bit. If Lobo does not have iron, this means that he would never be able to hurt Kurse, while with it he would be able to put some damage on him. Does Kurse stand there and take assault after assault, or will he fight back? I'm not buying Lobo's hog being able to take Kurse down either. Kurse was beating the life out of Beta Ray Bill, and Thor. Both of these guys can take a hell of a beating. If you look at Bill's fight with Stardust, you see how much abuse he can take. That's just Bill.

Since steel is not iron, Kurse may only take half damage from it, if any at all.

Cars aren't made of iron. But steel.

Kurse was in agony from being bashed by a car. I took that scan, btw not from the Kurse lowballing thread, but from the Kurse RESPECT thread, when I tried to see how steel would affect him. It was also the very incident that Rage brought up to showcase how he could tank iron/steel.

So steel DOES cause him agony.

Then we have Balder agreeing that steel, containing iron, hurts Dark Elves. Balder doesn't really lie.

So I just, in the spirit of fairness, wanted to see some 'high' end showings of Kurse against steel/iron. Kurse hasn't had many showings, much less than Lobo, I'd wager, so any showings would obviously get given more weight.

As for the weakness detection, Lobo Vol 1 #2 shows that Lobo is able to detect weaknesses in his opponents. Here is another scan, showcasing it:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/loboinfo.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/lobosenses.jpg

So yeah, he will know ALL about Kurse's weakness to iron. And will exploit it accordingly.

Half damage from being hit by steel? Gotta back that h1a8 factoid up with proof lol.

In addition, do you really think Bill can take as much damage as Lobo?

My Kurse picture from the respect thread didn't actually post, I see.

http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93663_Power_Pack_-_v1_-_018-14_122_794lo.jpg

'Again you seek to bury me! In iron.....AAH...AAAARRGGH! The agony!'

Whilst being hit by a car. Which is made of steel, not iron.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cars aren't made of iron. But steel.

Kurse was in agony from being bashed by a car. I took that scan, btw not from the Kurse lowballing thread, but from the Kurse RESPECT thread, when I tried to see how steel would affect him. It was also the very incident that Rage brought up to showcase how he could tank iron/steel.

So steel DOES cause him agony.

Then we have Balder agreeing that steel, containing iron, hurts Dark Elves. Balder doesn't really lie.

So I just, in the spirit of fairness, wanted to see some 'high' end showings of Kurse against steel/iron. Kurse hasn't had many showings, much less than Lobo, I'd wager, so any showings would obviously get given more weight.

As for the weakness detection, Lobo Vol 1 #2 shows that Lobo is able to detect weaknesses in his opponents. Here is another scan, showcasing it:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/loboinfo.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/lobosenses.jpg

So yeah, he will know ALL about Kurse's weakness to iron. And will exploit it accordingly.

Half damage from being hit by steel? Gotta back that h1a8 factoid up with proof lol.

In addition, do you really think Bill can take as much damage as Lobo?

Car's today don't have much steel in them as far as body panels are concerned. At least this is what I thought. I mean who drives around in 57 Chevy's anymore?

I have the Who's Who comic that that scan came from. Lobo has undergone quite a few changes since those days. Just wanted to point out that writers aren't really that consistent with the character. Like I said, he goes from being visibly stunned from being hit in the face with a sledge hammer to digging out from under 1000 meters of rock, and using 18 wheelers like a baseball player uses a bat.

Looking deeper on this iron vulnerability that Kurse has, it is a vulnerability, and he could fight through it. Lobo could hurt him with it, but let's not pretend that Kurse could not hurt Lobo as well. In one of the scans that you posted up, Lobo is stuck in a barrel filed with cement, which is another example of the inconsistency surrounding him. Do you think that a guy with 4x Thor strength would have been stuck in it for even an instant? Iron does weaken Kurse in a sense, but it does not stop him from being as strong as he is. Superman was able to one shot KO Lobo, and break his chains. What stops Kurse from doing any of that?

So while Lobo could use exploitative tactics on Kurse, this does not mean that he would win, nor does it mean that Kurse could not hit him. Lobo's HF also does not mean that he can not be KO'd.

My point was not about the steel content, but rather, that it was made of steel in the first place.

Not iron.

It was in response to your belief that 'Kurse may only take half damage from it, if any at all'.

We know cars aren't made of iron. But of steel. And it obviously caused him agony, just from having it slammed on by Power Pack.

But like you said youself, writers aren't consistent.

Lobo has way more showings than Kurse, I think we both agree. And therefore, can be more inconsistent (more writers, over a longer period of time etc). Kurse SHOULD be more consistent.

And I haven't seen any high end steel resistance feats to think that the instance Lobo opens up with his guns, or knives, or hook, or chains, or bike, that it wouldn't cause Kurse agony either.

Originally posted by Stoic
Car's today don't have much steel in them as far as body panels are concerned. At least this is what I thought. I mean who drives around in 57 Chevy's anymore?

I have the Who's Who comic that that scan came from. Lobo has undergone quite a few changes since those days. Just wanted to point out that writers aren't really that consistent with the character. Like I said, he goes from being visibly stunned from being hit in the face with a sledge hammer to digging out from under 1000 meters of rock, and using 18 wheelers like a baseball player uses a bat.

Looking deeper on this iron vulnerability that Kurse has, it is a vulnerability, and he could fight through it. Lobo could hurt him with it, but let's not pretend that Kurse could not hurt Lobo as well. In one of the scans that you posted up, Lobo is stuck in a barrel filed with cement, which is another example of the inconsistency surrounding him. Do you think that a guy with 4x Thor strength would have been stuck in it for even an instant? Iron does weaken Kurse in a sense, but it does not stop him from being as strong as he is. Superman was able to one shot KO Lobo, and break his chains. What stops Kurse from doing any of that?

So while Lobo could use exploitative tactics on Kurse, this does not mean that he would win, nor does it mean that Kurse could not hit him. Lobo's HF also does not mean that he can not be KO'd.

BTW, it explicitly says that Lobo would get right onto it as soon as his hangover wore off.

So yeah, it wouldn't hold him for an instance - Lobo just couldn't be bothered, and preferred to stay down there.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
BTW, it explicitly says that Lobo would get right onto it as soon as his hangover wore off.

So yeah, it wouldn't hold him for an instance - Lobo just couldn't be bothered, and preferred to stay down there.

I got you, and understand that. However Kurse still has a large strength advantage over Lobo. Also to answer your question from earlier, Bill can not take as much damage as Lobo, but at the same time, Bill is more durable than Lobo is, so he wouldn't really have to. If Bill fought Lobo they would likely be a good match up, the HF would serve to keep Lobo in the fight because without it he would be pretty ripped up IMO.

Originally posted by JBL
As long as I'm writing the character, he won't be so strong that he makes other characters look foolish. He is just in the same league as the Hulk, Thor, Superman, Sentry, Orion, J'onn J'onzz, etc. He's NOT above them." Interview with creator Kevin Grevioux

He's talking about his creation the Blue Marvel. And he used the word STRONG. Oh yeah, Thor's name is in there. The day you get your nose out of superman's butt and actually look at writers and creators statements and interviews, you would look less like a donkeys rear when you post your love for the house of Els cape wearing Idol.

No substance.

No logic.

No canon.

In short, a typical JBL post.

I don't think the Thor Corps will answer my challenge for you so I'll wait for you to ACTUALLY do so.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My Kurse picture from the respect thread didn't actually post, I see.

http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93663_Power_Pack_-_v1_-_018-14_122_794lo.jpg

'Again you seek to bury me! In iron.....AAH...AAAARRGGH! The agony!'

Whilst being hit by a car. Which is made of steel, not iron. your 'average' steel is composed of roughly 95% iron. since kurse is vulnerable to iron, logic dictates that iron-rich alloys would also be able to cause him a degree of harm. although it's worth noting that kurse had the iron framework of a very large multi-story building dropped on his domepiece in the same issue, and was left none the worse for wear(other than being buried, obviously.) granted kurse said that he was in "pain" afterward--but he certainly didn't scream out in agony, like he did when power pack threw a police cruiser on him. i've always found that amusing because a police cruiser weighs maybe 2 tons fully loaded--whereas the aforementioned iron framework would have weighed hundredS of tons.

meh, that's the 80's for ya.

Originally posted by Galan007
your 'average' steel is composed of roughly 95% iron. since kurse is vulnerable to iron, logic dictates that iron-rich alloys would also be able to cause him a degree of harm. although it's worth noting that kurse had the iron framework of a very large multi-story building dropped on his domepiece in the same issue, and was left none the worse for wear(other than being buried, obviously.) granted kurse said that he was in "pain" afterward--but he certainly didn't scream out in agony, like he did when power pack threw a police cruiser on him. i've always found that amusing because a police cruiser weighs maybe 2 tons fully loaded--whereas the aforementioned iron framework would have weighed hundredS of tons.

meh, that's the 80's for ya.



Plus, Hercules has called them out on it before:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As for steel/iron, let's us all take a knee, and listen to the wise wise words of Hercules:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/62144/1405654-herc_1.jpg


80s, eh? A crazy time.

Originally posted by Stoic
I don't understand why people are being so stringent on the writers point of view? Beta Ray Bill and Stardust had huge wars, Thor and the Surfer had huge wars, and this is before, and after Simonson ever took on the book. I thought that there was a rule of averages? If we stick with low showings Lobo has them as well. Lobo was rocked by a normal human with a sledge hammer to the jaw, this is hardly a guy that should be taking on someone that quadruples Thor in strength. So how about we average it out? Also trying to prove that Thor is weak is pretty silly in my opinion Rao.

Look at his "average" feats of strength that you can find in his respect thread and compare those feats of strength with those of Hulk.

I will probably get a lot of heat for this, but Thor's average strength feats are so measly compared to Superman's average strength feats, that if I were to make a respect thread for Superman I will not even consider those feats worth mentioning.

There is a reason why Marvel/DC listed Thor with "Super human strength" and Hulk and Superman with "VAST Super human strength"

Now take a look at the second showing of Kurse and you tell me who look better vs Thor if Kurse or a handicapped Professor Hulk.

Honestly I don't see what is the big deal with Kurse, I find Hulk more intimidating than Kurse, but We are all entitled to our own opinion.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Plus, Hercules has called them out on it before:



80s, eh? A crazy time.

lol classic herc. luvs him i tells ya!

I thought it had to be cold iron?

Good fight. Kurse 6/10

The only way Lobo could beat Kurse is using the iron weakness, without that as an option, Lobo gets beat down in the end.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
I thought it had to be cold iron?

Nah.

A car has caused him agony before.

Hercules and Balder both agree that steel would do.

All it has to do, it seems, is contain iron. Steel is pretty much iron, anyway - just with added carbon (about 2%?)

Lobo will beat Kurse without iron pretty easily. Healing factor and superior strength.

Originally posted by sernyak
Lobo will beat Kurse without iron pretty easily. Healing factor and superior strength. He's not stronger than Kurse.

Kurse 9/10

lobo has the speed advantage. will come in handy when he shoves a piece of steel down his throat and makes him chew on it.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Look at his "average" feats of strength that you can find in his respect thread and compare those feats of strength with those of Hulk.

I will probably get a lot of heat for this, but Thor's average strength feats are so measly compared to Superman's average strength feats, that if I were to make a respect thread for Superman I will not even consider those feats worth mentioning.

There is a reason why Marvel/DC listed Thor with "Super human strength" and Hulk and Superman with "VAST Super human strength"

Now take a look at the second showing of Kurse and you tell me who look better vs Thor if Kurse or a handicapped Professor Hulk.

Honestly I don't see what is the big deal with Kurse, I find Hulk more intimidating than Kurse, but We are all entitled to our own opinion.

I don't have any bone in this fight (the whole dick riding of characters like Thor, Superman e.t.c is not just tiring but boring) but statements like these are really problematic.

Superman, Hulk and Thor are in the same strength class.

Hulk isn't much stronger than Thor. Those characters have gone the distance several times and it's clear to everyone that they are easily in the same class. Hulk might be well be stronger but the difference just isn't enough to make a difference in their battles.

I mean, Thor has even battled an amped Hulk to a standstill and with the exception of some strange one-shots (like Hulk: Let the battle begin) those two have always been depicted as equals. Some fans might not like it but that's just the way it is and it doesn't look like Marvel is going to change it anytime soon.

As per feats, these three characters have insane strength feats and ridiculous lows. It's the nature of superhero comics where there are different writers that have different ideas on what extreme power should be (case in point, a guy like Bendis just doesn't write characters to that extreme level, its just his way of writing) that depictions aren't always consistent but we generally have an idea of where each character's power level is.

Thor is uber-strong, Aaron's current run has him performing some ridiculous feats like shattering planets from miles away when cutting loose with mjolnir and lifting massive mountains from Jotunheim. We've seen Superman lift the equivalent weight of the Earth for days and Hulk's strength being described as incalculable. Just looking at these characters feats suggest they are easily at the same level.

Now, when we get to guys like Kurse, these guys are just stronger the aforementioned significantly. Kurse being four (4) times stronger than someone like Thor who possesses at best "planetary" level strength means that guys like Lobo don't stand a chance without some outside help (like the application of iron).

Originally posted by deathlife
I don't have any bone in this fight (the whole dick riding of characters like Thor, Superman e.t.c is not just tiring but boring) but statements like these are really problematic.

Superman, Hulk and Thor are in the same strength class.

I disagree

Originally posted by deathlife
Hulk isn't much stronger than Thor. Those characters have gone the distance several times and it's clear to everyone that they are easily in the same class. Hulk might be well be stronger but the difference just isn't enough to make a difference in their battles.

I mean, Thor has even battled an amped Hulk to a standstill and with the exception of some strange one-shots (like Hulk: Let the battle begin) those two have always been depicted as equals. Some fans might not like it but that's just the way it is and it doesn't look like Marvel is going to change it anytime soon.

Take away the mallet and how does Thor ends up performing vs The Hulk? Mjolnir makes up the lack of strength.

That is how it has been shown by different writers and many will agree that if you take Mjolnir away from Thor, he is just simply outperformed in the strength dept.

Originally posted by deathlife
As per feats, these three characters have insane strength feats and ridiculous lows. It's the nature of superhero comics where there are different writers that have different ideas on what extreme power should be (case in point, a guy like Bendis just doesn't write characters to that extreme level, its just his way of writing) that depictions aren't always consistent but we generally have an idea of where each character's power level is.

Like you said writers have different ideas, come up with a decent feat of strength made by Thor under Simonson and amp that by 4

Now take a look at how Kurse was treated by another writer, Professor Hulk ended up looking better than Kurse

Originally posted by deathlife
Thor is uber-strong, Aaron's current run has him performing some ridiculous feats like shattering planets from miles away when cutting loose with mjolnir and lifting massive mountains from Jotunheim. We've seen Superman lift the equivalent weight of the Earth for days and Hulk's strength being described as incalculable. Just looking at these characters feats suggest they are easily at the same level.

Aaron's Thor is only ONE depiction of Thor, this does not becomes the standard for Thor, but lets say you are correct and that Thor under Aaron is the average for Thor 1 planetary mass x 4 = 4 planetary masses. IIRC Lobo has stellar mass feats, stellar mass >>>>>>> planetary mass, so Lobo is being portrayed at ridiculous level's of strength compared to thor relatively speaking

Originally posted by deathlife
Now, when we get to guys like Kurse, these guys are just stronger the aforementioned significantly. Kurse being four (4) times stronger than someone like Thor who possesses at best "planetary" level strength means that guys like Lobo don't stand a chance without some outside help (like the application of iron).

Lobo pulls solar mass, solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary mass or planetary mass x 4

Originally posted by Galan007


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So basically this is WHY I disagree

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I disagree



Take away the mallet and how does Thor ends up performing vs The Hulk? Mjolnir makes up the lack of strength.

That is how it has been shown by different writers and many will agree that if you take Mjolnir away from Thor, he is just simply outperformed in the strength dept.



Like you said writers have different ideas, come up with a decent feat of strength made by Thor under Simonson and amp that by 4

Now take a look at how Kurse was treated by another writer, Professor Hulk ended up looking better than Kurse



Aaron's Thor is only ONE depiction of Thor, this does not becomes the standard for Thor, but lets say you are correct and that Thor under Aaron is the average for Thor 1 planetary mass x 4 = 4 planetary masses. IIRC Lobo has stellar mass feats, stellar mass >>>>>>> planetary mass, so Lobo is being portrayed at ridiculous level's of strength compared to thor relatively speaking



Lobo pulls solar mass, solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary mass or planetary mass x 4



So basically this is WHY I disagree *slow clap*

Yes.

Lobo does not do logic, so the arguments that Kurse SHOULD be 4x stronger?

Out the window.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I disagree



Take away the mallet and how does Thor ends up performing vs The Hulk? Mjolnir makes up the lack of strength.

That is how it has been shown by different writers and many will agree that if you take Mjolnir away from Thor, he is just simply outperformed in the strength dept.



Like you said writers have different ideas, come up with a decent feat of strength made by Thor under Simonson and amp that by 4

Now take a look at how Kurse was treated by another writer, Professor Hulk ended up looking better than Kurse



Aaron's Thor is only ONE depiction of Thor, this does not becomes the standard for Thor, but lets say you are correct and that Thor under Aaron is the average for Thor 1 planetary mass x 4 = 4 planetary masses. IIRC Lobo has stellar mass feats, stellar mass >>>>>>> planetary mass, so Lobo is being portrayed at ridiculous level's of strength compared to thor relatively speaking



Lobo pulls solar mass, solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary mass or planetary mass x 4



So basically this is WHY I disagree

Fair enough.

Without his hammer we've seen Thor and Hulk engage themselves in some form of "grapple" for hours (Defenders/Avengers War) without a clear winner. I can't remember the Thor issue that he threw away his hammer and battled Hulk to a stalemate. Thor has done plenty good without his hammer.

Aaron's depiction of Thor is a cannon depiction of the character and doesn't really contradict anything that's come before and we don't know if the planet shattering was the limit of his strength(he actually had to abandon the fight with Gorr because he was shattering that planet). Not to mention the fact that Thor was destroying planetary mass and not moving it, hence a direct comparison can not be made destroying something and lifting it.

However, if we're going to go by your argument Lobo pulling that stellar mass is ONE depiction of the character and even at that, going by his average, he hasn't been able to out down high heralds in straight battles (which probably counts more than lifting feats) so, I see him in that category.

That's a category that Kurse operates above IMO.

Originally posted by deathlife
However, if we're going to go by your argument Lobo pulling that stellar mass is ONE depiction of the character and even at that, going by his average, he hasn't been able to out down high heralds in straight battles (which probably counts more than lifting feats) so, I see him in that category.

That's a category that Kurse operates above IMO. Lobo has straight up beaten Superman, Green Lantern, Atrocitus, Star Saphire, and Doctor Fate. There are probably more characters that he has beaten but I just can't remember them offhand.

Originally posted by deathslash
Lobo has straight up beaten Superman, Green Lantern, Atrocitus, Star Saphire, and Doctor Fate. There are probably more characters that he has beaten but I just can't remember them offhand.

Whoa!

Lobo has beaten Superman? I've seen plenty of battles between them but he's never been able to put down Supes.

I do remember Eclipso infected Superman punching Lobo so hard that he was barely breathing afterwards.

Originally posted by deathlife
Whoa!

Lobo has beaten Superman? I've seen plenty of battles between them but he's never been able to put down Supes.

I do remember Eclipso infected Superman punching Lobo so hard that he was barely breathing afterwards.
Adventures of Superman 464, although it was stated to be due to Eradicator mind controlling Superman.

Lobo is stronger, yes. He pulls solar mass>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor's strength feats. And everybody ignores his very powerful healing factor. Kurse can't do anything to full powered Lobo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Adventures of Superman 464, although it was stated to be due to Eradicator mind controlling Superman.

Thanks!

Because I remember that battle and what i took from it that Superman not holding back will stomp Lobo.

Lobo

Originally posted by deathslash
Lobo has straight up beaten Superman, Green Lantern, Atrocitus, Star Saphire, and Doctor Fate. There are probably more characters that he has beaten but I just can't remember them offhand.

Originally posted by deathlife
Whoa!

Lobo has beaten Superman? I've seen plenty of battles between them but he's never been able to put down Supes.

I do remember Eclipso infected Superman punching Lobo so hard that he was barely breathing afterwards.

Actually, to my knowledge, Lobo has never beaten Superman. The instance Abhi cited, Lobo did beat the shit out of Superman, but he didn't actually beat him. In the end, Superman out-smarted him. Like Abhi mentioned, Eradicator was influencing Superman, reducing his fighting ability. Every fight I know of after(when Eradicator wasn't influencing him), Lobo either stalemates or loses(including one of each in the same comic under I believe the same writer).

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Take away the mallet and how does Thor ends up performing vs The Hulk? Mjolnir makes up the lack of strength.

That is how it has been shown by different writers and many will agree that if you take Mjolnir away from Thor, he is just simply outperformed in the strength dept.
Not really.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not really.

Shall we remember how hulk outperformed physically thor on a THOR comic when Thor did not have the mallet?

Logic dictates that betwen two guys with EQUAL strength but one having a warriors training and a mystical weapon should beat the crap out of the brute troglodite who only relies on strength, yet it almost never happens.

Maybe they are not as equal as many would like us to think they are.

That on top of the AVERAGE feats of strength between Hulk and Thor.

They might have been equal a loooong time ago, but those times are gone, IMO

Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually, to my knowledge, Lobo has never beaten Superman. The instance Abhi cited, Lobo did beat the shit out of Superman, but he didn't actually beat him. In the end, Superman out-smarted him. Like Abhi mentioned, Eradicator was influencing Superman, reducing his fighting ability. Every fight I know of after(when Eradicator wasn't influencing him), Lobo either stalemates or loses(including one of each in the same comic under I believe the same writer).

Lobo was actually too drunk to complete the contract is what actually happened. Superman was being beaten so badly that he had to climb into one of his battle suits, and he was still getting trashed from what I recall of that particular fight.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Shall we remember how hulk outperformed physically thor on a THOR comic when Thor did not have the mallet?

Logic dictates that betwen two guys with EQUAL strength but one having a warriors training and a mystical weapon should beat the crap out of the brute troglodite who only relies on strength, yet it almost never happens.

Maybe they are not as equal as many would like us to think they are.

That on top of the AVERAGE feats of strength between Hulk and Thor.

They might have been equal a loooong time ago, but those times are gone, IMO
Sure please remind me.

So you believe Hulk is significantly stronger? Not sure what you're trying to get at.

Yes he was getting trashed but he was heavily under the influence of the erradicator, which made to rely more on intellect than on physical strength.

It was mentined somewhere on the arc iirc

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Sure please remind me.

So you believe Hulk is significantly stronger? Not sure what you're trying to get at.

Yes I think he is when highly enraged

Highly enraged hulk vs thor with out mjolnir does not sound fair to me.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I disagree



Take away the mallet and how does Thor ends up performing vs The Hulk? Mjolnir makes up the lack of strength.

That is how it has been shown by different writers and many will agree that if you take Mjolnir away from Thor, he is just simply outperformed in the strength dept.



Like you said writers have different ideas, come up with a decent feat of strength made by Thor under Simonson and amp that by 4

Now take a look at how Kurse was treated by another writer, Professor Hulk ended up looking better than Kurse



Aaron's Thor is only ONE depiction of Thor, this does not becomes the standard for Thor, but lets say you are correct and that Thor under Aaron is the average for Thor 1 planetary mass x 4 = 4 planetary masses. IIRC Lobo has stellar mass feats, stellar mass >>>>>>> planetary mass, so Lobo is being portrayed at ridiculous level's of strength compared to thor relatively speaking



Lobo pulls solar mass, solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary mass or planetary mass x 4



So basically this is WHY I disagree tbh, the sheer impressiveness of lobo's 'stellar mass' feat never really registered with me until you broke it down just now. nicely done.

moreover, lobo appeared to throw said mass around with relative ease.

Kurse wins.

Originally posted by Stoic
Lobo was actually too drunk to complete the contract is what actually happened. Superman was being beaten so badly that he had to climb into one of his battle suits, and he was still getting trashed from what I recall of that particular fight.

He was drunk, but Superman outsmarted him with a hologram. I did say Superman was getting beaten badly, but Eradicator's influenced was hindering his performance. The same writer had Superman stalemating Lobo in one fight, and KOing him(and Lar Gand) in another without Eradicator's influence.

damn. i want to know what kind of alcohol can get lobo drunk. shock_oh

Originally posted by Galan007
damn. i want to know what kind of alcohol can get lobo drunk. shock_oh

"Oarkan Berry juice." Which, Bibbo actually drank more of than Lobo.

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes I think he is when highly enraged

Highly enraged hulk vs thor with out mjolnir does not sound fair to me.
They have always been portrayed as near equals. Going by feats Hulk may seem like he's much stronger because he has a shietload more strength showings (pushing, lifting, pulling) , but then again that's his shtick.

I don't mind if one believes Hulk may have the slight edge on him in strength, but they have often stalemated or one having the slight. edge on the other when in direct contest. Neither one has ever dominated the other on a consistent basis. Bottom line I just don't believe Hulk has a considerable advantage in strength.

Originally posted by Delta1938
"Oarkan Berry juice." Which, Bibbo actually drank more of than Lobo.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/th_AOS464-PG02.jpg

No shame in that

Originally posted by -K-M-
Behold....BIBBO!

Bibbo vs. Joker

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Bibbo vs. Cyborg Superman

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Bibbo vs. Black Adam

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Bibbo vs. Major Force

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Bibbo vs. Doomsday

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Originally posted by Galan007
tbh, the sheer impressiveness of lobo's 'stellar mass' feat never really registered with me until you broke it down just now. nicely done.

moreover, lobo appeared to throw said mass around with relative ease.

Thanks

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
They have always been portrayed as near equals. Going by feats Hulk may seem like he's much stronger because he has a shietload more strength showings (pushing, lifting, pulling) , but then again that's his shtick.

I don't mind if one believes Hulk may have the slight edge on him in strength, but they have often stalemated or one having the slight. edge on the other when in direct contest. Neither one has ever dominated the other on a consistent basis. Bottom line I just don't believe Hulk has a considerable advantage in strength.

Fair enough. I think Hulk is considerable stronger when he is enraged and if they were fighting in a fight where Hulk is highly enraged and Thor looses the mallet, he will be in real trouble.

But We all have our own points of view, So I understand yours

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Thanks



Fair enough. I think Hulk is considerable stronger when he is enraged and if they were fighting in a fight where Hulk is highly enraged and Thor looses the mallet, he will be in real trouble.

But We all have our own points of view, So I understand yours
He wouldn't be in real trouble. He is more than capable of holding his own without Mjolnir. Plus he holds back more than Mahatma Gandhi. Thor can be enraged too you know.

Well then prove that Thor with out his mallet can defeat an enraged Hulk.

If they are "equal" this should be no problem

Most fights I have seen of them Thor is using the mallet and it has actually been described as the advantage Thor might have.

Then you see comics of him fighting the Hulk with out the mallet and it becomes obvious.

I used to think the same as you, but Marvel has actually made this clear, Hulk is their strong guy as a matter of fact just look at their fight record and Hulk has an over all better performance, even with Thor using the mallet in the late years.

They started as Thor more powerful, because they were equal under Stan lee, he actually made it clear that the mallet gave Thor the advantage because they were basically equal in strength, then it start changing little by little, Hulk is stronger and Thor with out the mallet basically becomes a punching bag for Hulk

Originally posted by -K-M-
No shame in that

Links are blocked for "malicious site." Which is odd since it doesn't do that to me when checking my Photobucket, or Abhi's, or Rao's.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He wouldn't be in real trouble. He is more than capable of holding his own without Mjolnir. Plus he holds back more than Mahatma Gandhi. Thor can be enraged too you know.



Can't tell if serious or not. Thor got rid of his hammer here and got DESTROYED. Complete annihilation to the point that he was black and blue in the face. Thor was enraged here.

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well then prove that Thor with out his mallet can defeat an enraged Hulk.

If they are "equal" this should be no problem

Most fights I have seen of them Thor is using the mallet and it has actually been described as the advantage Thor might have.

Then you see comics of him fighting the Hulk with out the mallet and it becomes obvious.

I used to think the same as you, but Marvel has actually made this clear, Hulk is their strong guy as a matter of fact just look at their fight record and Hulk has an over all better performance, even with Thor using the mallet in the late years.

They started as Thor more powerful, because they were equal under Stan lee, he actually made it clear that the mallet gave Thor the advantage because they were basically equal in strength, then it start changing little by little, Hulk is stronger and Thor with out the mallet basically becomes a punching bag for Hulk
That's a pretty funny request since you know the character is synonymous with his hammer.

You are claiming that there is a significant disparity in strength between the two even though Marvel has gone out of it's way to portray that they are virtually equals in that regard.

There is no consistent disparity between the two when it comes to strength until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's a pretty funny request since you know the character is synonymous with his hammer.

You are claiming that there is a significant disparity in strength between the two even though Marvel has gone out of it's way to portray that they are virtually equals in that regard.

There is no consistent disparity between the two when it comes to strength until proven otherwise.

Just years of strength feats that shame thor's on average, the usual tendency of writers to give hulk the feat of strength and the fights in which thor lacks the hammer.

Take away the mallet and basically you handicap thor, likr you said, the mallet is part of his character, just like speed is part of flash or strength is part of hulk.

But this is an argument hulk fans should be having instead of me.

As for this thread solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>> Thor x 4

So I will stick to lobo, and I will rathe just leave it at that.

If you think otherwise, I have no problem with it, it is not my place to preach on the name of the gamma church, that is scam daddy's job

Originally posted by carver9


Can't tell if serious or not. Thor got rid of his hammer here and got DESTROYED. Complete annihilation to the point that he was black and blue in the face. Thor was enraged here.

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Originally posted by carver9


Can't tell if serious or not. Thor got rid of his hammer here and got DESTROYED. Complete annihilation to the point that he was black and blue in the face. Thor was enraged here.

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Impressive, but even though he lost himself at times he still had the wherewithal to pause at certain points because for fear of hurting innocents. Basically he was not fully enraged.

Another thing to note is Hulk had his main advantage when Thor thought twice about possibly killing him. Even though Hulk fared better overall, in the end there was no definitive winner since the fight was cut short and Thor was ready to go for another 12 rounds.

Thor having bruises does not mean anything since we all know his crazy damage soak.

Seriously?

The way I see things is that Thor HAD the advantage until He got rid of the Mallet, after that it was just basically one sided in favor of HULK who even leaves skipping on the sunset and Thor ends all bruised and bloodied from their fight.

Thor HAD the advantage until there was no hammer then, HULK WON

I guess this is the proverbial "eye of the beholder"

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Just years of strength feats that shame thor's on average, the usual tendency of writers to give hulk the feat of strength and the fights in which thor lacks the hammer.

Take away the mallet and basically you handicap thor, likr you said, the mallet is part of his character, just like speed is part of flash or strength is part of hulk.

But this is an argument hulk fans should be having instead of me.

As for this thread solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>> Thor x 4

So I will stick to lobo, and I will rathe just leave it at that.

If you think otherwise, I have no problem with it, it is not my place to preach on the name of the gamma church, that is scam daddy's job
He may consistently perform more strength feats, but it's silly to claim it shames Thor's.

Yes it is true Thor is ultimately more formidable with Mjolnir, but he definitely does not become helpless as you're trying to portray.

Ah so now we get to the crux of the matter. Your whole basis for your stance is to put down Kurse and his 4x Thor's strength, which ultimately puts down Thor. That kinda comes off a bit trolly.

So you throw away everything including relative showings and history for a one feat? That's sort of a slippery slope don't you think?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Seriously?

The way I see things is that Thor HAD the advantage until He got rid of the Mallet, after that it was just basically one sided in favor of HULK who even leaves skipping on the sunset and Thor ends all bruised and bloodied from their fight.

Thor HAD the advantage until there was no hammer then, HULK WON

I guess this is the proverbial "eye of the beholder"
Like i said Hulk faired better and if we were to impose rounds on that fight he won. But I also sid the fight ended prematurely with Hulk deciding to stop because of loss of anger and Thor about to go another 12. Bruised and bloodied does not mean much for a guy that has extremely high damage soak.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Shall we remember how hulk outperformed physically thor on a THOR comic when Thor did not have the mallet?

Logic dictates that betwen two guys with EQUAL strength but one having a warriors training and a mystical weapon should beat the crap out of the brute troglodite who only relies on strength, yet it almost never happens.

Maybe they are not as equal as many would like us to think they are.

That on top of the AVERAGE feats of strength between Hulk and Thor.

They might have been equal a loooong time ago, but those times are gone, IMO planet busting is equal to 16.23333 times planet mass level.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
planet busting is equal to 16.23333 times planet mass level.

Where do you get that? Serious question.

Nasa's Theoretical weight of earth diveded into Nato's Theoretical force needed to destroy the earth.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Nasa's Theoretical weight if earth diveded into Nato's Theoretical force needed to destroy the earth.

Ah so your math using numbers from reliable sources. Thanks.

Yeah I'm not H1

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yeah I'm not H1

In case "your math" came out wrong, I meant you did the actual number crunching with those two sources, not taking random numbers.

Its 110,000,000,000,000,000,000,000/6,580,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 which equals roughly 16.7

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He may consistently perform more strength feats, but it's silly to claim it shames Thor's.

Yes it is true Thor is ultimately more formidable with Mjolnir, but he definitely does not become helpless as you're trying to portray.

Ah so now we get to the crux of the matter. Your whole basis for your stance is to put down Kurse and his 4x Thor's strength, which ultimately puts down Thor. That kinda comes off a bit trolly.

So you throw away everything including relative showings and history for a one feat? That's sort of a slippery slope don't you think?

Since apparently this is a very good topic of conversation

What do you think if I make the proper thread?

Hammerless thor vs various incarnation of hulk in a gauntlet

Originally posted by pym-ftw
planet busting is equal to 16.23333 times planet mass level.

Solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That x 4. IMO

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That x 4. IMO

According to Wikipedia, solar mass is about 332,946 times the mass of Earth.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I don't get it

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