Darth Zannah vs. Anakin Skywalker ROTS

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carthage
FORCE, SABERS, ALL OUT

NewGuy01
Anakin pounds her for a majority. If she's able to create an opening and cast a powerful spell on Anakin, though, she could reap some wins.

Nephthys
Nah, Zannah takes out Anakin. He's not on her level.

DarthAnt66
lol ^

Nephthys
What? He's not. Theres no way Zannah isn't above Dooku levels.

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
lol ^

Emperordmb
Emotional instability Not FTW

Emperordmb
It's more likely then you managing to make it twelve hours without getting banned.

carthage
Please stay on the topic Emperor please don't derail another thread

Nalaniel
Anakin.

King Joker
Zannah.

Sinious
Zannah takes this.

ares834
Anakin should take this.

Originally posted by carthage
Please stay on the topic Emperor please don't derail another thread

laughing out loud

jmoul
I'll give this one to Anakin. He was able to kill Dooku alone, and Anakin is the most powerful force user in Star Wars history. Also, Zannah needs a pretty big opening in order to cast a Sith Spell, which I don't think Anakin will ever give her.

Nephthys
Zannah only needs a gesture and a thought to cast her spells, the same as any Force power. And with someone as unstable and insane as Anakin, I see him as highly susceptible to her mental attacks.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Nephthys
Zannah only needs a gesture and a thought to cast her spells, the same as any Force power. And with someone as unstable and insane as Anakin, I see him as highly susceptible to her mental attacks.
thumb up

Nephthys
I mean, Dooku completely psyched Anakin out with a single taunt in the novel, Zannah conjuring specters of Anakins mother or whatever would crush him.

Emperordmb
or Padme

Selenial
You seem to be forgetting how powerful Anakin became with his rage.

Ripped through Ventress' force barriers like nobody's business.

I'd give this to Zannah, but I think her illusions will just enrage him, and unlike his fight with Kenobi, it won't be unbalanced rage. It'll be slaughter a thousand sand people, or outduel 100 Jedi type rage.

Skywalker takes this.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Selenial
You seem to be forgetting how powerful Anakin became with his rage.

Ripped through Ventress' force barriers like nobody's business.

I'd give this to Zannah, but I think her illusions will just enrage him, and unlike his fight with Kenobi, it won't be unbalanced rage. It'll be slaughter a thousand sand people, or outduel 100 Jedi type rage.

Skywalker takes this.
What you think illusions designed to rip his mind apart will some how leave him with a focused rage?

Selenial
Originally posted by Emperordmb
or Padme

When he says ROTS, I don't think he means the mangled husk you see on the floor. Padme wouldn't do anything, that whole scene won't have happened.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Selenial
When he says ROTS, I don't think he means the mangled husk you see on the floor. Padme wouldn't do anything, that whole scene won't have happened.
He still fears losing her, and that can still be exploited via illusions.

BTW I responded to your other post on the previous page in case you didn't notice.

Nephthys
Originally posted by Selenial
You seem to be forgetting how powerful Anakin became with his rage.

Ripped through Ventress' force barriers like nobody's business.

I'd give this to Zannah, but I think her illusions will just enrage him, and unlike his fight with Kenobi, it won't be unbalanced rage. It'll be slaughter a thousand sand people, or outduel 100 Jedi type rage.

Skywalker takes this.

Why would it enrage him instead of fill him with fear and dread like it did Bane? As I pointed out, Dooku Don Much'd him easily in the novel. Anakin is very unsure about his emotions and is highly unstable.

Fated Xtasy
Um....wasn't he known for resisting the Dark Reaper Tech? didn't Ulic say that he had to be very strong in the Mental department? I mean Yeah Zannah has her illlusions, but you guys are making her up to be like the Son - like She's gonna show Anakin his future self. Just my two cents no need for any mad raging.

Emperordmb
Dark Reaper and mind breaking illusions are two different things.

Nephthys
He wasn't resisting the Reaper, he was replenishing his force reserves at the same rate it was draining him. Zannah obviously isn't the Son, but her specialty is breaking the minds of her opponents and turning their own crippling fears against them. Something I see Anakin as especially vulnerable to given his many, many issues.

Fated Xtasy
Originally posted by Nephthys
He wasn't resisting the Reaper, he was replenishing his force reserves at the same rate it was draining him. Zannah obviously isn't the Son, but her specialty is breaking the minds of her opponents and turning their own crippling fears against them. Something I see Anakin as especially vulnerable to given his many, many issues.

True enough, but I see Anakin besting her in a duel and her having to resort to her powers last. that said I'm still going with Anakin. if only to spite Emperordmb XD

Nephthys
I don't see Anakin getting through her lightsaber defense myself. But then, I see no real reason she couldn't raise her hand and attack his mind right at the start and skipping the tedious duel all together.

Selenial
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would it enrage him instead of fill him with fear and dread like it did Bane? As I pointed out, Dooku Don Much'd him easily in the novel. Anakin is very unsure about his emotions and is highly unstable.

And that Dun Moch ended up getting Dooku killed...

Selenial
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see Anakin getting through her lightsaber defense myself. But then, I see no real reason she couldn't raise her hand and attack his mind right at the start and skipping the tedious duel all together.

Are you trying to say Zannah > Kenobi in terms of Lightsaber Defense?

Cause that's just ridiculous, and wrong on so many levels.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Selenial
And that Dun Moch ended up getting Dooku killed...
Zannah's illusions>>>>>>>Dun Moch

Selenial
Originally posted by Emperordmb
What you think illusions designed to rip his mind apart will some how leave him with a focused rage?

Yup.

We don't ever see Anakin just sit on the floor and weep, Kenobi Style. If Maul had stabbed Padme in front of him Maul would end up a grease spot on the wall.

He turns anguish into hate, as all good Sith do.

Selenial
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Zannah's illusions>>>>>>>Dun Moch

I know, it was just a terrible example.

Nephthys
Originally posted by Selenial
And that Dun Moch ended up getting Dooku killed...

No it didn't. erm

Palpatine chiming in after Anakin had gone to shit because of the Don Moch, to encourage him to embrace his anger got Dooku killed.

Originally posted by Selenial
Are you trying to say Zannah > Kenobi in terms of Lightsaber Defense?

Cause that's just ridiculous, and wrong on so many levels.

Anakin didn't get through Obi-Wan's defense so why does it matter?

Also, yes I am. wink

Selenial
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it didn't. erm

Palpatine chiming in after Anakin had gone to shit to encourage him to embrace his anger got Dooku killed.

Dooku was dead either way, he would have been executed.

Palpatine just stopped Dooku babbling about the whole sitch first.

Selenial
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin didn't get through Obi-Wan's defense so why does it matter?

Also, yes I am. wink

It does matter, because Anakin COULD have gotten through his defenses, without the severe mental anguish.

And no, Illusions won't bring the same effect as actually killing your own wife and Son/Daughter.

You need help my friend sad starwars

Nephthys
Originally posted by Selenial
Dooku was dead either way, he would have been executed.

Palpatine just stopped Dooku babbling about the whole sitch first.

Was that a concession? It's hard to tell.

Anakin wouldn't have been able to break Dooku like he did or cut off his hands without Palpatine enabling him to harness his anger. So no, Dooku's Dun Moch didn't get himself killed.

Nephthys
Originally posted by Selenial
It does matter, because Anakin COULD have gotten through his defenses, without the severe mental anguish.

And no, Illusions won't bring the same effect as actually killing your own wife and Son/Daughter.

You need help my friend sad starwars

Which obviously won't play ANY factor in this thread.

Anakin didn't think he'd killed Padme so that wasn't causing him anguish in his fight with Obi-Wan. And yes, Illusions will debilitate Anakin. Bane was huddled on the floor swatting at the air and he knew what was coming, had studied her sorcery a head of time, knew that it wasn't real and has far greater mental prowess and willpower than Anakin does. Anakin will be confronted with his worst fears and nightmares and will utterly crumble before them.

Do I? Obi-Wan isn't one of the most powerful Sith to ever live, nor has he ever adequately fought and defended against a Sith as fast and powerful as Bane. Zannah's defense is described as almost impenetrable, you underestimate her severely.

Selenial
Originally posted by Nephthys
Was that a concession? It's hard to tell.

Anakin wouldn't have been able to break Dooku like he did or cut off his hands without Palpatine enabling him to harness his anger. So no, Dooku's Dun Moch didn't get himself killed.

No it wasn't a concession.

I'm not sure what film you watched, but Palpatine only told him to "kill Dooku" right after Skywalker cut off his hands and had his blades around Dooku's neck.

Selenial
Originally posted by Nephthys


Do I? Obi-Wan isn't one of the most powerful Sith to ever live, nor has he ever adequately fought and defended against a Sith as fast and powerful as Bane. Zannah's defense is described as almost impenetrable, you underestimate her severely.

I'm not going to debate the Illusions anymore, since neither of us are going to back down.

I'd rather debate on how easy it is for her to use them, when one of the greatest offensive duelists of all time is pressing her defense.

Also no, believe it or not Obi-Won isn't one of the most powerful sith to ever live embarrasment
But he is described as the greatest Master of Soresu to ever live.

Nephthys
Originally posted by Selenial
No it wasn't a concession.

I'm not sure what film you watched, but Palpatine only told him to "kill Dooku" right after Skywalker cut off his hands and had his blades around Dooku's neck.

Oh, so now the novels version of events aren't valid huh? I see. I'll have to remember that.

Originally posted by Selenial
I'm not going to debate the Illusions anymore, since neither of us are going to back down.

I'd rather debate on how easy it is for her to use them, when one of the greatest offensive duelists of all time is pressing her defense.

Also no, believe it or not Obi-Won isn't one of the most powerful sith to ever live embarrasment
But he is described as the greatest Master of Soresu to ever live.

As I said, it's easy enough for her to raise her hand to perform the spell. She does it against Set Harth when he charges her from mere feet away in DoE. And she managed to pull it off against Bane, who is also "one of the greatest offensive duelists of all time". While she was wounded. She can do it.

Really? I only recall him being described as THE master of the form by Mace Windu. Who is well known for throwing out extravagant, hyperbolic praise like candy.

Selenial
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh, so now the novels version of events aren't valid huh? I see. I'll have to remember that.


Really? I only recall him being described as THE master of the form by Mace Windu. Who is well known for throwing out extravagant, hyperbolic praise like candy.

I was taking a leaf out of your books, if people on this forum won't take any part of the Novel that isn't mentioned in the films seriously, then why should I?

And no, Mace isn't known for that. Mace is rarely known for praise, it's just when he does praise people, it's for good things.

Besides, holding off Maul + Savage = Master of Soresu.

NewGuy01
It was much better than Kao Cen Darach's performance, in any case. stick out tongue

Nephthys
Originally posted by Selenial
I was taking a leaf out of your books, if people on this forum won't take any part of the Novel that isn't mentioned in the films seriously, then why should I?

And no, Mace isn't known for that. Mace is rarely known for praise, it's just when he does praise people, it's for good things.

Besides, holding off Maul + Savage = Master of Soresu.

Hehe, that's fair enough. Ok, so the Dun Moch is out. But I still maintain that Anakin is unstable and has enough issues and fears to be easily affected.

Mace suggested Depa Billiba was more skilled than himself.... right before he beat her. And said that he couldn't hope to beat Vastor on his best day while comparing him to Yoda.... and then beat him while wounded. At any rate his opinion is irrelevant. He can't compare Kenobi to every Soresu user in history with any degree of accuracy, that's absurd. And he definitely can't compare Kenobi's skills against Zannah considering he doesn't even know she existed.

Kenobi held off Maul and Savage by going on the offensive though. Look at the fight and tell me how many times he's fighting defensively. He's jumping between them, driving Maul off with a kick and wild swings and attacking them separately/kicking Savage in the leg. Hell, by my estimation Kenobi was using more Ataru than Soresu in that fight. And they were hindered by the cramped environment and weren't trying to kill him. But I'm not disagreeing that Kenobi is a Master of Soresu. Of course he is. However, Zannah is simply more powerful than he is, her lightsaber style has an incredible amount of defensiveness and her feat of defending against Bane is superior to what Kenobi has done.

Kenobi might be better overall in terms of mastery of Soresu, but her defensive capabilities are superior. Who's got the better defense, Kenobi or Sidious? Sidious. Because he's just more powerful, faster and all around better than Kenobi is despite not being as "skilled" in that area as him. Sidious can simply put out a level of defense that Kenobi cannot achieve. Same with Zannah.

jmoul
Nephthys, Kenobi successfully blocked every saber attack from Grievous in RotS without so much as a scratch. While. Grievous may not have been as strong as Bane was, he was much faster and had many more angles of attack than Bane did. So the point that Kenobi has no comparable defensive feats to Zannah defending against Bane is not entirely true.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by jmoul
Grievous may not have been as strong as Bane was, he was much faster
no

Originally posted by jmoul
So the point that Kenobi has no comparable defensive feats to Zannah defending against Bane is not entirely true.
I consider Zannah and Kenobi the two most effective Soresu specialists in the mythos.

carthage
He fought faster than Obi wan perceived, struck 20 times per second, moved fast enough to form his sabers as a tornado that overwhelmed the senses of multiple force users at once, and kept up with Jedi masters unamped. He is faster than Bane easily.

Nephthys
Originally posted by jmoul
Nephthys, Kenobi successfully blocked every saber attack from Grievous in RotS without so much as a scratch. While. Grievous may not have been as strong as Bane was, he was much faster and had many more angles of attack than Bane did. So the point that Kenobi has no comparable defensive feats to Zannah defending against Bane is not entirely true.

Grievous isn't faster than Bane and Kenobi didn't block his attacks through speed anyway so whatever.

Sinious
Originally posted by carthage
He fought faster than Obi wan perceived, struck 20 times per second, moved fast enough to form his sabers as a tornado that overwhelmed the senses of multiple force users at once, and kept up with Jedi masters unamped. He is faster than Bane easily.

I remember Bane having a similar feat.

carthage
Originally posted by Sinious
I remember Bane having a similar feat.

I think you meant Kas'im, and that was on a nexus.

Sinious
Originally posted by carthage
I think you meant Kas'im, and that was on a nexus.

Oh true. Bane was defending then?

carthage
He was more or less on the run the entire time, but yeah he defended against some of the blows.

Emperordmb
No no no, the ten strikes a second thing was prior to the Jar'kai thing.

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