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Who wins?

Blade stats will give him the win. Shang with all his skills just cant hang with skilled superhumans like blade. it will be same as his fight vs Gorgon. he will outskill blade for a brief moment but the stats gap will take its effect.

Good fight. I love Blade but I think that he might lose. Shang's skill is vastly higher than Blade's and that could very likely even out the battle.

Blade is better in every stat and just as skilled if not more.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Blade is better in every stat and just as skilled if not more. that's a really funny joke

Originally posted by deathslash
that's a really funny joke

How is Blade not more skilled? He has been fighting vampires/supernatural creatures for over 70 years, and up until the Morbius bite he only human stats so it was all by skill.

Originally posted by Supermutant
How is Blade not more skilled? He has been fighting vampires/supernatural creatures for over 70 years, and up until the Morbius bite he only human stats so it was all by skill. ask anyone, Blade's not more skilled than shang chi. Also, shang chi has has fought and beaten characters with Classic Hulk level strength and won, he beaten a dragon before, and I recall a few instances in which he got punched/thrown miles away from the fight and was only suffering from a bloody nose (and he's only human).

Originally posted by deathslash
ask anyone, Blade's not more skilled than shang chi. Also, shang chi has has fought and beaten characters with Classic Hulk level strength and won, he beaten a dragon before, and I recall a few instances in which he got punched/thrown miles away from the fight and was only suffering from a bloody nose (and he's only human).

I don't know why the strength level of an opponent would indicate skill, but Blade has stalemated and beaten Dracula multiple times, who has centuries of experience with sword fighting and combat. Blade has taken shots from Ghost Rider and kept fighting, and out skilled the best vampire warriors and supernatural monsters.

Blade has been fighting for over 100 years actually. It was stated he first met Wolverine in the 1930's.

Thors been fighting for thousands of years, doesn't make him more skilled than Iron Fist.

Shang probaby wins but no more than 7/10

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thors been fighting for thousands of years, doesn't make him more skilled than Iron Fist.

Shang probaby wins but no more than 7/10 Bout time someone other than me made a case for Shang Chi

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thors been fighting for thousands of years, doesn't make him more skilled than Iron Fist.

Shang probaby wins but no more than 7/10 No, but it makes him more experienced. And that makes a difference also.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thors been fighting for thousands of years, doesn't make him more skilled than Iron Fist.

Shang probaby wins but no more than 7/10

It's a good thing that Thor is not in this thread then. Plus Thor typical fight like a brick whereas Blade uses skill like throwing knives across a room to knock the fangs out of a vampire, and impaling super fast vampires from afar through the heart.

at Shang winning. What's he going to do against someone who is faster, stronger, has better equipment, more durable and have a healing factor plus superhuman senses? And I will even give you the skill argument for the sake of this battle.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
No, but it makes him more experienced. And that makes a difference also.

Only up to a certain point, after awhile you aren't gaining much from fights. At least not enough that means you'll beat someone with hundreds of fights of their own since they are only so much that will happen in melee combat.

Experience helps alot if it's against someone similar to your foe, or you are fighting someone who hasn't been in many fights. Once you start fighting hundreds of times and beyond each fight begins to matter less unless it's a specific weakness or situation to remember.

Originally posted by Supermutant
It's a good thing that Thor is not in this thread then. Plus Thor typical fight like a brick whereas Blade uses skill like throwing knives across a room to knock the fangs out of a vampire, and impaling super fast vampires from afar through the heart.

at Shang winning. What's he going to do against someone who is faster, stronger, has better equipment, more durable and have a healing factor plus superhuman senses? And I will even give you the skill argument for the sake of this battle. yeah, you do realize that spider-man has trouble hitting shang chi right? Also shang chi could use pressure points on him, disarm him and use his own sword against him, or combine the mystical and stark tech amps to potentially punch a hole in him. It's clear that you know next to nothing about shang chi.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thors been fighting for thousands of years, doesn't make him more skilled than Iron Fist.

Shang probaby wins but no more than 7/10
Excellent point. I'd give Shang my most prized 9/10, actually.

Originally posted by deathslash
Bout time someone other than me made a case for Shang Chi
I will usually make a case. Like...

Originally posted by juggernaut74
No, but it makes him more experienced. And that makes a difference also.
There's a difference between 10 years experience, and 1 year's experience 10 times.
The majority of long lived characters have NOT spent all that time improving their HtH skills. They reach a level and stay there.
Characters like Shang Chi constantly train, seeking to improve.

I have nothing to contribute to this thread, but thought I'd mention you guys are making me look-up Blade and Shang Chi appearances.

Enjoy.

Originally posted by riv6672
Enjoy.

Will do. Now I'm back to watching.

Originally posted by deathslash
yeah, you do realize that spider-man has trouble hitting shang chi right? Also shang chi could use pressure points on him, disarm him and use his own sword against him, or combine the mystical and stark tech amps to potentially punch a hole in him. It's clear that you know next to nothing about shang chi.

I know enough about Shang that he's not in Blade's league. And what's exactly is Blade doing while Shang is hitting him? Even though Blade is faster and can one hit ko him or decapitate him with his adamantium sword.

Its nice that Spider-Man has trouble hitting Shang, but Blade has no trouble knee capping a Vampire Spiderman who has increased stats.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853236-bladespeedns10.jpg
Blocks bullets by spinning chain really fast.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2859006-blade_1__03_.jpg
Fast enough to shoot vampire Spiderman in both kneecaps.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853318-bladeslicin.jpg
http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853319-bladeslicin2.jpg
Blade slices and kills a vampire before that vampire can even move.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2717115-blade_1_p28.jpg
Easily dodges automatic gun fire from two shield agents vampires.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853230-bladedodge.jpg
Dodges and land hits on the super fast vampire Spitfire.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853234-bladefaster.jpg
Blade is so fast that " time stops for our hunter...dazzling speed.." against assassins.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/125392/2717092-blade_1_p16_p17.jpg
Again "and the world slows for all but Blade" during battle.

Lol and don't even mentioned durability, Blade has been stabbed in the chest through the heart by Dracula, took the sword out and kept on fighting.
Like someone else mentioned this fight would go like Shang vs Gorgon except Blade would stomp from the get go.

Lots of examples of people either not in their right minds, mooks, generic soldier types, bullets not made faster by vampirism and various combinations of the three.
Nothing there to change my mind on Blade getting beaten by a fully competent Shang Chi.

Originally posted by Supermutant

Lol and don't even mentioned durability, Blade has been stabbed in the chest through the heart by Dracula, took the sword out and kept on fighting.
Like someone else mentioned this fight would go like Shang vs Gorgon except Blade would stomp from the get go.

That's not durability.

Originally posted by riv6672
The majority of long lived characters have NOT spent all that time improving their HtH skills. They reach a level and stay there.
Characters like Shang Chi constantly train, seeking to improve.

I guess that's what people don't realize about Blade. When Blade first starting hunting vampires he did not have any superhuman stats. That didn't come until the Morbius bite years later. So in the beginning all Blade had to rely on was his skill against faster and stronger opponents. And even after Morbius, Blade has to continue to train b/c Vampires are always experimenting in trying to create stronger and more resistant vampire. Plus Blade hunts all type of supernatural monsters.

Originally posted by riv6672
Lots of examples of people either not in their right minds, mooks, generic soldier types, bullets not made faster by vampirism and various combinations of the three.
Nothing there to change my mind on Blade getting beaten by a fully competent Shang Chi.

You can believe that catwoman has fire breath for all I care.

Blade's durability and healing is much better than Shang's. This is a stomp.

Here Blade takes gunshot to shoulder heals instantly,and hits shooter.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Blade%20The%20Daywalker/Bladetakinbullet.jpg

After being tortured and crucified, Blade breaks free and kills his enemies while healing from wounds.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Blade%20The%20Daywalker/AfterbeingtorturedandcrucifiedBlade.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Blade%20The%20Daywalker/AfterbeingtorturedandcrucifiedBl-1.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Blade%20The%20Daywalker/AfterbeingtorturedandcrucifiedBl-2.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Blade%20The%20Daywalker/AfterbeingtorturedandcrucifiedBl-3.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Blade%20The%20Daywalker/AfterbeingtorturedandcrucifiedBl-4.jpg

Blade is impaled from behind by Dracula and removes the sword himself after healing fast.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3265237-blade+impaled+by+dracula.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladestabbed2.jpg

No damage after taking a blast for Lilith that knocked him and Cap Britain miles away.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3717375-blade+blasted+1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3717379-bladeblasted2.jpg

Survives an explosion that he set and being buried under rumble without injury.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Blade%20The%20Daywalker/Battlesaswordsmenthatwasover1000-3.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Blade%20The%20Daywalker/Battlesaswordsmenthatwasover1000-4.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139502/3352731-bladebulding3.jpg

Survives without injury being at the center of a Shield Aircraft crash.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139502/3655010-bladecrash.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139502/3655011-bladecrash2.jpg

Stands in the middle of a fire w/o damage.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139502/3655048-bladefire2.jpg

Blade dressed as Ronin is gutted by a 3 headed and big cerberus type beast. But is completely healed in a couple of panels.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19410839_BLadegutted.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19410840_Bladehealed.jpg

Not sure if you're posting those in response to me Supermutant. Just to clarify, I wasn't saying it doesn't count. Just pointing-out it's not a durability feat.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I know enough about Shang that he's not in Blade's league. And what's exactly is Blade doing while Shang is hitting him? Even though Blade is faster and can one hit ko him or decapitate him with his adamantium sword.

Its nice that Spider-Man has trouble hitting Shang, but Blade has no trouble knee capping a Vampire Spiderman who has increased stats.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853236-bladespeedns10.jpg
Blocks bullets by spinning chain really fast.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2859006-blade_1__03_.jpg
Fast enough to shoot vampire Spiderman in both kneecaps.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853318-bladeslicin.jpg
http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853319-bladeslicin2.jpg
Blade slices and kills a vampire before that vampire can even move.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2717115-blade_1_p28.jpg
Easily dodges automatic gun fire from two shield agents vampires.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853230-bladedodge.jpg
Dodges and land hits on the super fast vampire Spitfire.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/2853234-bladefaster.jpg
Blade is so fast that " time stops for our hunter...dazzling speed.." against assassins.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/125392/2717092-blade_1_p16_p17.jpg
Again "and the world slows for all but Blade" during battle.

Lol and don't even mentioned durability, Blade has been stabbed in the chest through the heart by Dracula, took the sword out and kept on fighting.
Like someone else mentioned this fight would go like Shang vs Gorgon except Blade would stomp from the get go. clearly, you don't know enough about Shang chi because you didn't even mention that he can chi amp, chi heal, mystically amp, and stark tech amp in order to be able to take on blade. Blade's going to oneshot ko him? Shang chi has taken far better blunt damage than blade can dish out (such as when he was still standing after fighting Black Dwarf or when Dragon Man punched him through a roof and he landed aseveral blocks away, only had a bloody nose to show for it, and was smiling). I'm pretty certain that that's the one and only time that blade has ever beaten spider-man (also the writing and artwork for that entire arc sucked). Congratulations, blade can beat mindless canon fodder and vampire weaklings!

Originally posted by Supermutant
I guess that's what people don't realize about Blade. When Blade first starting hunting vampires he did not have any superhuman stats. That didn't come until the Morbius bite years later. So in the beginning all Blade had to rely on was his skill against faster and stronger opponents. And even after Morbius, Blade has to continue to train b/c Vampires are always experimenting in trying to create stronger and more resistant vampire. Plus Blade hunts all type of supernatural monsters.

Hmm. What can i say to such a well thought out post except...

Originally posted by Supermutant
You can believe that catwoman has fire breath for all I care.

Originally posted by deathslash
clearly, you don't know enough about Shang chi because you didn't even mention that he can chi amp, chi heal, mystically amp, and stark tech amp in order to be able to take on blade. Blade's going to oneshot ko him? Shang chi has taken far better blunt damage than blade can dish out (such as when he was still standing after fighting Black Dwarf or when Dragon Man punched him through a roof and he landed aseveral blocks away, only had a bloody nose to show for it, and was smiling). I'm pretty certain that that's the one and only time that blade has ever beaten spider-man (also the writing and artwork for that entire arc sucked). Congratulations, blade can beat mindless canon fodder and vampire weaklings!

Where are Shang's feats that puts him on Blade's level? All this chi amping that he can do didn't help him against Gorgon. And Blade who is faster is just going to stand there and let him chi anything. lol And Blade has taken much greater damage to Shang can dish out. And what has Shang done with this new Stark tech? Blade simply outclasses him plus has better gear.

Saying one character/Stark tech and one character/better gear is right is right up there with Catwoman breathing fire, ayup.

Originally posted by riv6672
Saying one character/Stark tech and one character/better gear is right is right up there with Catwoman breathing fire, ayup.

To be fair, he has so far been the only one backing his case with scans. I'd like to see scans from the Shang Chi side.

I appreciate scans, i really do. They dont make the written statements any less true.
God knows there are enough misinterpreted scans out there to call this even.
I'm just having fun with the catwoman comment.

Overall though, no minds are being changed here.

Originally posted by riv6672
I appreciate scans, i really do. They dont make the written statements any less true.
God knows there are enough misinterpreted scans out there to call this even.
I'm just having fun with the catwoman comment.

Overall though, no minds are being changed here.

Yes, I've seen many examples of scans out of context, both intentional and unintentional. Whenever I use scans from comics I haven't read(so can't verify) I add the disclaimer that I haven't read it. And why I almost always add the issue reference when posting my own scans(typically in the link via file name).

But normally the one who adds scans is backing their case. I really haven't seen much from either character. Looking through Shang Chi's respect thread here, but it's got a lot of broken link. Although at least I'm seeing cited examples like Shang Chi beating Asgardian trolls that allegedly no-sold Black Widow's widow bites.

Just responding to finish this exchange and say i've noticed your scan criteria.
I'm not budging, i doubt supermutant will.
Barring some really good input down the line i wish this thread luck in its future endeavors.

Shang Chi wins

Originally posted by Supermutant
Where are Shang's feats that puts him on Blade's level? All this chi amping that he can do didn't help him against Gorgon. And Blade who is faster is just going to stand there and let him chi anything. lol And Blade has taken much greater damage to Shang can dish out. And what has Shang done with this new Stark tech? Blade simply outclasses him plus has better gear. Sadly, I don't know how to post scans, but I do know how to direct you to scans of his feats.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/shang-chi-vs-the-lisard-574075/
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t487224.html
just scroll down each of the pages until you get to the scans of his feats.

I'm baffled by the hype Shang gets, sure he's beaten some fairly powerful opponents but his track record against other skilled martial artist is pretty spotty, especially when one his chief rivals The Cat has been fisted by Taskmaster and Iron Fist, it's unlikely that in terms of pure martial art skill that Shang in on par with either of the latter 2.

Originally posted by OneTruth
I'm baffled by the hype Shang gets, sure he's beaten some fairly powerful opponents but his track record against other skilled martial artist is pretty spotty, especially when one his chief rivals The Cat has been fisted by Taskmaster and Iron Fist, it's unlikely that in terms of pure martial art skill that Shang in on par with either of the latter 2. and yet black panther thinks that ironfist could actually be jealous of shang's skill and shang chi is constantly said to be one of the best martial artists in marvel?

Originally posted by deathslash
and yet black panther thinks that ironfist could actually be jealous of shang's skill and shang chi is constantly said to be one of the best martial artists in marvel?

Plenty of street level or low metas are considered as among the best martial artists. Black Panther, Ironfist, The Cat, Blade, Daredevil, Elektra, Cap, just to name a few all are elite martial artists. Blade outclass Shang in every stat.

Originally posted by OneTruth
I'm baffled by the hype Shang gets, sure he's beaten some fairly powerful opponents but his track record against other skilled martial artist is pretty spotty, especially when one his chief rivals The Cat has been fisted by Taskmaster and Iron Fist, it's unlikely that in terms of pure martial art skill that Shang in on par with either of the latter 2.

Dont ever use ABC logic. and Cap many times got his ass handed to him by crossbones, who gets destroyed by other streets daily so? and batman gets sometimes a good fight and even an ass kicking from the joker in H2H so? by feats statements and showings shang chi is on par with the top H2H fighters in marvel. his only downfall is the fact he doesnt have the iron fist or peak human stats like black panther and Cap has. i would put him on par with daredevil probably.

Shang Chi divides Blade into multiple parts

Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
Shang Chi divides Blade into multiple parts this guy knows how it would go down.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Blade outclass Shang in every stat.
No, he doesnt.

Originally posted by riv6672
No, he doesnt.

Yes he does.

These are what's called opinions.
Mine's backed up by a theory i posted earlier.

Originally posted by batonking

Weak argument, Crossbones has gotten the upper hand on Cap once in his original volume, for every instance Batman strugges with the Joker there are 10 instances of him kicking his ass.

By statements, not by feats. Shang doesn't have the feats to support him being on par with Danny or Taskmaster when both of them have wrecked Shang's principle rival Shen Kuei.

Daredevil would beat Shangs ass based off of feats.

nop. we are discussing skills here right? that was your initial point. the skill department. many characters can beat someone because of the stats not the skills. my point with cap stands still. crossbones defeated cap in several times however got destroyed easily by other streets so? its the purpose of the arch nemesis to give a decent fight and be portrayed as somewhat of equal. you cant go and use ABC Logic on everything. morlun stomped spiderman. fire lord got owned by spider man = morlun will WTFstomp firelord? see where ABC Logic leads us.

we look at feats overall. shang chi was always presented skill wise as one of the toppest. hell look how well he did vs gorgon in their fight. elektra nor wolverine could even touch gorgon. shang chi actually presented greater skills than gorgon. his downfall was his stats vs gorgons. however by feats? top notch.
Shang chi already went toe to toe with iron fist and black panther and they all were evently matched. Iron fist has the edge because of the iron fist but not by skills. any other opinion is only opinion and not a fact.

oh and by the way. your statement of daredevil beating shang is only your opinion. Shang chi beat a dragon, destroyed a doombot with his bare hands. can easily blast walls with his punches (chi amped) and was training wolverine himself. i dont see daredevil on that level sorry.

Originally posted by riv6672
These are what's called opinions.
Mine's backed up by a theory i posted earlier.

That's the difference between me=backed up my actual comic issues/scans, you= backed up by theory

I'd point out how even scans can be skewed to serve a poster's particular preference, but, you obviously know all about that.

I'll go with Blade.

Somebody has to!

Originally posted by riv6672
I'd point out how even scans can be skewed to serve a poster's particular preference, but, you obviously know all about that.

Please show me where I have done that. But since you brought that up: Shang Chi never beat a dragon, he owned a human/dragon hybrid but was quickly one shotted in the atmosphere when the small full dragon was awaken. The dragon also saved his life. If this is the battle with the dragon that a lot of people are referring to, they have greatly taken it out of context and are misleading a lot of posters.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-08.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-10.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-13.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-14.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-16.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-17.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-18.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-19.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Shang%20Chi/th_Wisdom03-20.jpg

And here is Shang Chi vs a bone-claw Logan

Notice again how quickly he is dead to rights. Shang Chi simply doesn't have a good track record against metas and Blade is easily faster and stronger than him plus more durable and have a healing factor. lol This is a murder stomp even more so than his battle with Gorgon.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612270_1149911-981156_shangchi1nx1_super.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612271_1149913-981157_shangchi2af8_super.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612272_1149912-981158_shangchi3eu5_super.jpg

Originally posted by Supermutant
And here is Shang Chi vs a bone-claw Logan

Notice again how quickly he is dead to rights. Shang Chi simply doesn't have a good track record against metas and Blade is easily faster and stronger than him plus more durable and have a healing factor. lol This is a murder stomp even more so than his battle with Gorgon.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612270_1149911-981156_shangchi1nx1_super.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612271_1149913-981157_shangchi2af8_super.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612272_1149912-981158_shangchi3eu5_super.jpg hahahahahaha. You're using one of his lowest showings as proof that he loses this fight? Pathetic. Also, wasn't oneshotted by that Dragon (it punched him into the atmosphere and when they landed, he was still conscious). Also, I find it funny that you can only look at the bad in that instance but youu have absolutly nothing positive to say about how he survived getting punch so hard that he landed several blocks away. Also, he's fought more than one dragon in his career. Did you even look at any of the scans in the links that I had posted?

Originally posted by batonking
Your point doesn't stand because your misinformed, in all of their fights Crossbones has had one fight where he's gained the upper hand on Captain America in contrast to you stating that he beat Cap several times, every other time they've fought Captain America won including when he didn't have the serum in Streets of Poison.

Your example of Spiderman is also incredibly flawed since Spiderman beating Firelord is blatant PIS, Iron Fist and Taskmaster beating a guy that's supposedly Shang's rival isn't.

Look how he did against Gorgon? Did you read Avengers World #3? Shang didn't outskill Gorgon, the entire fight was based on Shang using the environment to his advantage, using the dark, throwing fire balls and aiming for Gorgons eyes, once he ran out of underhanded tricks Gorgon ended up beating his ass in one page. If that's your idea of a good feat then that's just embarrassing.

Shang Chi fought Iron Fist years ago and none of their fights were ever conclusive or lasted long enough to determine a winner or a stand still, and Shang Chi has never fought Black Panther, the only thing Panther ever did was hype up his martial arts skill, where Shang has failed to back any of hype he's received. actually, I distincly remember Crossbones having the upper hand in their fight during the Thunderbolts arc. Did you even read the same comic as the rest of us or did you just decide to skip over roughly eight pages of Shang Chi punching Gorgon in the face? In stark contrast to your belief that he had to constantly use the environment to aid him in battle, Shang Chi used one fireball and then for the next eight pages, he pressed the attack and nearly put gorgon down. Your lowballing skills are terrible. Also, the fact of the matter being that none of Shang's fights with Ironfist are conclusively decided should be proof to you that he is a peer of Danny.

Originally posted by deathslash
hahahahahaha. You're using one of his lowest showings as proof that he loses this fight? Pathetic. Also, wasn't oneshotted by that Dragon (it punched him into the atmosphere and when they landed, he was still conscious).

Read man, of course he's alive and relatively unharmed b/c the dragon protected him and took the impact of the fall. Its shameful that you are trying to use that as some sort of durability feat. Aunt May would have been uninjured too with a freaking dragon protecting her from the fall.


Originally posted by deathslash
Also, I find it funny that you can only look at the bad in that instance but youu have absolutly nothing positive to say about how he survived getting punch so hard that he landed several blocks away. Also, he's fought more than one dragon in his career. Did you even look at any of the scans in the links that I had posted?

Most street levelers can and have performed his best feats. What other dragon has he defeated, and could not Blade defeat the same with even less difficulty? Early in their career when Iron Fist and Shang Chi stalemated, Iron Fist was holding back and didn't want too fight. He also only used the iron fist technique once during that fight. And Iron Fist has been significantly upgraded since then, but Shang Chi really has not done anything that impressive.

I still ask what has Shang Chi done to put him on Blade's level? It seems to me Shang Chi has a lot of featless hype. Yes, he has trained others before but he hasn't accomplish much on his own.

Originally posted by batonking
Your point doesn't stand because your misinformed, in all of their fights Crossbones has had one fight where he's gained the upper hand on Captain America in contrast to you stating that he beat Cap several times, every other time they've fought Captain America won including when he didn't have the serum in Streets of Poison.

Your example of Spiderman is also incredibly flawed since Spiderman beating Firelord is blatant PIS, Iron Fist and Taskmaster beating a guy that's supposedly Shang's rival isn't.

Look how he did against Gorgon? Did you read Avengers World #3? Shang didn't outskill Gorgon, the entire fight was based on Shang using the environment to his advantage, using the dark, throwing fire balls and aiming for Gorgons eyes, once he ran out of underhanded tricks Gorgon ended up beating his ass in one page. If that's your idea of a good feat then that's just embarrassing.

Shang Chi fought Iron Fist years ago and none of their fights were ever conclusive or lasted long enough to determine a winner or a stand still, and Shang Chi has never fought Black Panther, the only thing Panther ever did was hype up his martial arts skill, where Shang has failed to back any of hype he's received.

Big Fail. read all their fights again. crossbones as far as i remember had cap on the losing side 3 times during his career. while other streets dispatched him easily. so by your logic it should be some kind of indication that Cap is weaker than other streets.

my example of spiderman was to portray as clear as possible why ABC logic does not work.

were you reading the same fight everybody were reading? shang used the dark at the begining. however afterwards the entire fight he was wooping gorgons ass in a H2H fight , presenting better skills by far. only at the end gorgon magaed to beat him because shang was already tired, while gorgon has a healing factor and higher stats. shang was a beast in that fight and clearly was portrayed as the more skilled and more superior fighter.

and thats exactly the point genius. they fought to a standstill, and there was no victor because they were evenly matched!!! thats the whole point if you didnt understand. and shang fought black panther briefly. again rewind your comic book memory.

Agree to disagree, supermutant.
I can, but would rather not play the low ball the character game.

Originally posted by deathslash
actually, I distincly remember Crossbones having the upper hand in their fight during the Thunderbolts arc. Did you even read the same comic as the rest of us or did you just decide to skip over roughly eight pages of Shang Chi punching Gorgon in the face? In stark contrast to your belief that he had to constantly use the environment to aid him in battle, Shang Chi used one fireball and then for the next eight pages, he pressed the attack and nearly put gorgon down. Your lowballing skills are terrible. Also, the fact of the matter being that none of Shang's fights with Ironfist are conclusively decided should be proof to you that he is a peer of Danny. He didn't nearly put Gorgon down. Even with his enhancements the fight was lost the second he began and Shang-Chi knew that. He never stood a chance. HIs skill was up there but Gorgon was a tier above him.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Read man, of course he's alive and relatively unharmed b/c the dragon protected him and took the impact of the fall. Its shameful that you are trying to use that as some sort of durability feat. Aunt May would have been uninjured too with a freaking dragon protecting her from the fall.




Most street levelers can and have performed his best feats. What other dragon has he defeated, and could not Blade defeat the same with even less difficulty? Early in their career when Iron Fist and Shang Chi stalemated, Iron Fist was holding back and didn't want too fight. He also only used the iron fist technique once during that fight. And Iron Fist has been significantly upgraded since then, but Shang Chi really has not done anything that impressive.

I still ask what has Shang Chi done to put him on Blade's level? It seems to me Shang Chi has a lot of featless hype. Yes, he has trained others before but he hasn't accomplish much on his own. wow, what I just said went right over your head didn't it? I'm not saying that the Dragon protecting him from the impact is a durability feat, I'm saying that surviving a punch that would skyrocket you into the atmosphere is a durability feat. Oh, so most street level characters can block punches from Heroim the Shamed or stand up to a guy that briefly soloed Gladiator, Ronan, Super Skrull, and Annihilus? You do know that Shang Chi has and still does continue to better himself and perfect his style. The other dragon that he defeated was off panel but it was apperently dangerous enough that BP and Luke Cage ran away from it.

Originally posted by riv6672
Agree to disagree, supermutant.
I can, but would rather not play the low ball the character game.

How is Wolverine beating Shang Chi lowballing? It seems consistent with Gorgon being above Shang Chi as well . It seems some just do not what to accept what happens on panel, so they say it lowballing to make themselves feel better. Shang Chi doesn't have a great record against metas, and when considering he is just human makes a lot of sense. Plus he has not displayed the level of chi amping that Iron Fist can do. Again where are his feats or even his chi amping to put him on Blade's level. The most I seen from him is when he did a "chi scream" against some fodder which left him unable to speak for a while.

So it would some that even if he was to chi amp, he wouldn't have the endurance to keep it up and he would be significantly weaken after. Now where is the evidence to the contrary, I'm waiting.

Blade can take alot of punishment, he's like Punisher on horse steroids with a Wolverine level healing factor.

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
Blade stats will give him the win. Shang with all his skills just cant hang with skilled superhumans like blade. it will be same as his fight vs Gorgon. he will outskill blade for a brief moment but the stats gap will take its effect.

Shangs fought skilled super humans before. As well as a giant scorpion, and a skilled martial artist wearing power armor that shocks whoever touches it.

That, plus feats like shattering thick, solid stone with an elbow smash (Not brick, a solid mass of stone), or blocking bullets with his bracelets, and competing on a near even level with Spidey put him towards the top of any street level food chain.. Not to mention, competing with Gorgon (Who he lost to, but did far better then Logan or Elektra as a team, and even looked better then Iron Fist, though their fight was short..)

Originally posted by Supermutant
How is Wolverine beating Shang Chi lowballing? It seems consistent with Gorgon being above Shang Chi as well .

Gorgon won that fight on damage soak. in terms of speed, reflexes, agility, skill, tactics, they looked pretty even.

Which is a damned sight better then Logan or Elektra looked, one on one or as a team, when they clashed with Gorgon.

Originally posted by cdtm
Shangs fought skilled super humans before. As well as a giant scorpion, and a skilled martial artist wearing power armor that shocks whoever touches it.

That, plus feats like shattering thick, solid stone with an elbow smash (Not brick, a solid mass of stone), or blocking bullets with his bracelets, and competing on a near even level with Spidey put him towards the top of any street level food chain.. Not to mention, competing with Gorgon (Who he lost to, but did far better then Logan or Elektra as a team, and even looked better then Iron Fist, though their fight was short..)

Last three pro Shang posts are pretty solid.

Last Blade post favorably talked up damage soak. Thats his best asset here but its not enough.

Originally posted by cdtm
Shangs fought skilled super humans before.

And lost to skilled super humans before.

Originally posted by cdtm
As well as a giant scorpion, and a skilled martial artist wearing power armor that shocks whoever touches it.

Nightwing has much better feats than that.

Originally posted by cdtm
That, plus feats like shattering thick, solid stone with an elbow smash (Not brick, a solid mass of stone), or blocking bullets with his bracelets, and competing on a near even level with Spidey put him towards the top of any street level food chain.. Not to mention, competing with Gorgon (Who he lost to, but did far better then Logan or Elektra as a team, and even looked better then Iron Fist, though their fight was short..)

Again any decent street leveler has those feats. Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Black Cat, and so has competed with or stalemated Spider-man. Everyone knows a morals on Peter routinely holds back. Instead of doing abc comparisons, we know that bone-clawed Wolverine no less easily defeated Shang Chi. Gorgon stats were too much for Shang Chi to overcome.
He simply doesn't have the feats to be on Blade's level, but its fun reading things like defeated a dragon off panel. That kind of victory could have happen any number of ways. So without any panel proof its doesn't help one way or the other.

You arent changing your mind, and are doing a poor job of changing anyone else's.
This is now redundant posts for no reason.
Candace is out. Peace!

Originally posted by riv6672
Last three pro Shang posts are pretty solid.

Last Blade post favorably talked up damage soak. Thats his best asset here but its not enough.

Last three pro Shang post are just like the others before it, without any significant feats.

In this curb stomp, its hard to determine his best assest. Could be his skill with his adamantium sword or his speed & agility, or his super human senses, or his strength.

Regarding dragon battle, Shang Chi wasn't even moving after being hit in the atmosphere by that dragon. He didn't try to break his fall or anything, if they dragon didn't save he, his brains would have been all over the pavement. But with so little feats, I see why you would want to use that as durability feat.

Originally posted by riv6672
You arent changing your mind, and are doing a poor job of changing anyone else's.
This is now redundant posts for no reason.
Candace is out. Peace!

I'm not trying to change anyone mind's the feats speak for themselves. You don't even add anything would you post, but you want others who don't agree with you too stop. No one is making you continue to read or post. I'm still waiting for Shang Chi's feats that put him on Blade's level.

*yawn*
Then you're just posting to post.

I'm telling mom!

Originally posted by riv6672
Last three pro Shang posts are pretty solid.

Last Blade post favorably talked up damage soak. Thats his best asset here but its not enough.

Here are some points to talk about:

Blade's style significantly more deadly. You can talk about Shang-Chi stalemating Spiderman, but Blade put him on a stretcher. Blade doesn't fight to incapacitate, he fights to kill and he carries the equipment to do so, whereas Shang-Chi doesn't.

In terms of skill, Shang Chi is one of the best hand-to-hand fighters in Marvel, this isn't a hand-to-hand fight though (at least the first condition). Blade is one of marvel's best swordsmen and all around weapons user. As long as Blade has something in his hand, Shang-Chi's hand-to-hand skill level isn't going to be to an extent that overcomes Blade.

In terms of speed, Blade has looked faster than Deadpool in their encounter and speedblitzed a super soldier said to be stronger than Captain America. Their feats are at the LEAST even.

Blade has the advantage in terms of brute strength.

Given Blade's equipment and healing advantage I see him taking the first condition more often than not.

Well, i just dont see Blade as being more skilled.
4 pages of back and forth is now just showcasing everyone's stubborness.
Still, better to post here than the 3 Thanos threads currently at the top of the page.
Points have all been made, now its just a who do you pick scenario.

Originally posted by deathslash
wow, what I just said went right over your head didn't it? I'm not saying that the Dragon protecting him from the impact is a durability feat, I'm saying that surviving a punch that would skyrocket you into the atmosphere is a durability feat. Oh, so most street level characters can block punches from Heroim the Shamed or stand up to a guy that briefly soloed Gladiator, Ronan, Super Skrull, and Annihilus? You do know that Shang Chi has and still does continue to better himself and perfect his style. The other dragon that he defeated was off panel but it was apperently dangerous enough that BP and Luke Cage ran away from it. I love how Supermutant ignored this post

Originally posted by iceman24567
I love how Supermutant ignored this post

I love how you ignored this post
Originally posted by Supermutant
Regarding dragon battle, Shang Chi wasn't even moving after being hit in the atmosphere by that dragon. He didn't try to break his fall or anything, if they dragon didn't save he, his brains would have been all over the pavement. But with so little feats, I see why you would want to use that as durability feat.

By the way after Shang blocked that punch from Hiroim he was dead to rights and had to be saved by his then girlfriend Tarantula. Shang also said that they (meaning that Heroes for Hire group with him) could not defeat Hiroim. So who is laughing now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_Heroes_for_Hire_12_10Strength.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_Heroes_for_Hire_12_12Strength.jpg

So, surviving the actual attack itself to BE saved means nothing. In your opinion.

I guess that means i'm laughing now. http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/riv6672/smilies/wink.gif

Originally posted by riv6672
So, surviving the actual attack itself to BE saved means nothing. In your opinion.

I guess that means i'm laughing now. http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/riv6672/smilies/wink.gif

You failed at trying to put words in my mouth. But it does means little when you can't even protect yourself from the subsequent fall. And this feat went from Shang defeating a dragon to Shang surviving a punch from a dragon that save him, although Shang couldn't protect himself immediately thereafter. Now that's

Still waiting on Shang's feats, what has he done with chi?

The only reason it went from one feat to the other is thats the aspect you've chosen to fixate on, selectively ignoring certain facts/certain posts/ers.

And i would never try and put words in your mouth. I'd have to find room, what with your foot having been in there since the first page and all...http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/riv6672/smilies/smilewhite.gif

Originally posted by Trackz
Here are some points to talk about:

Blade's style significantly more deadly. You can talk about Shang-Chi stalemating Spiderman, but Blade put him on a stretcher. Blade doesn't fight to incapacitate, he fights to kill and he carries the equipment to do so, whereas Shang-Chi doesn't.

In terms of skill, Shang Chi is one of the best hand-to-hand fighters in Marvel, this isn't a hand-to-hand fight though (at least the first condition). Blade is one of marvel's best swordsmen and all around weapons user. As long as Blade has something in his hand, Shang-Chi's hand-to-hand skill level isn't going to be to an extent that overcomes Blade.

In terms of speed, Blade has looked faster than Deadpool in their encounter and speedblitzed a super soldier said to be stronger than Captain America. Their feats are at the LEAST even.

Blade has the advantage in terms of brute strength.

Given Blade's equipment and healing advantage I see him taking the first condition more often than not.

All of Shangs opponents fight to kill, though. And use weapons. Fu Manchu's Si Fan, his personal elite ninja group that includes members nearly as skilled as Shang, sport weapons from spiked nunchucks, to multi bladed weapons (Even a "tri bladed" weapon, one upping Darth Mauls horribly impractical double light saber by several decades. ) He's also fought with characters that had ranged weapons, like a laser arm.

And in terms of speed, does blade have any feats that compete with someone who sliced a bullet in half mid air? Because, Shang fought such an opponent, and while he was obviously outclassed, he also managed to make a fight of it and avoid taking a lethal blow, up until a plot device ended the confrontation. Shows he's high enough up the speed hierarchy, that you really need to be a solid bullet timer, and maybe a little bit beyond, to give him problems.

Originally posted by cdtm
All of Shangs opponents fight to kill, though. And use weapons. Fu Manchu's Si Fan, his personal elite ninja group that includes members nearly as skilled as Shang, sport weapons from spiked nunchucks, to multi bladed weapons (Even a "tri bladed" weapon, one upping Darth Mauls horribly impractical double light saber by several decades. ) He's also fought with characters that had ranged weapons, like a laser arm.

And in terms of speed, does blade have any feats that compete with someone who sliced a bullet in half mid air? Because, Shang fought such an opponent, and while he was obviously outclassed, he also managed to make a fight of it and avoid taking a lethal blow, up until a plot device ended the confrontation. Shows he's high enough up the speed hierarchy, that you really need to be a solid bullet timer, and maybe a little bit beyond, to give him problems. but don't downplay his fight with Gorgon. He basically beat on gorgon for eight pages straight while Wolverine and Elektra together barely beat him.

Originally posted by riv6672
The only reason it went from one feat to the other is thats the aspect you've chosen to fixate on, selectively ignoring certain facts/certain posts/ers.

And i would never try and put words in your mouth. I'd have to find room, what with your foot having been in there since the first page and all...http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/riv6672/smilies/smilewhite.gif Straight up ignored his actually point not once but twice. Shit debating

Originally posted by cdtm
All of Shangs opponents fight to kill, though. And use weapons. Fu Manchu's Si Fan, his personal elite ninja group that includes members nearly as skilled as Shang, sport weapons from spiked nunchucks, to multi bladed weapons (Even a "tri bladed" weapon, one upping Darth Mauls horribly impractical double light saber by several decades. ) He's also fought with characters that had ranged weapons, like a laser arm.

And in terms of speed, does blade have any feats that compete with someone who sliced a bullet in half mid air? Because, Shang fought such an opponent, and while he was obviously outclassed, he also managed to make a fight of it and avoid taking a lethal blow, up until a plot device ended the confrontation. Shows he's high enough up the speed hierarchy, that you really need to be a solid bullet timer, and maybe a little bit beyond, to give him problems.

1. shang's opponents dont matter. very few of them have blade's combination of skill which is why we're having this thread.

2. fighting to kill matters when the two are evenly skilled.


3. blade has blocked multiple bullets and dodged multiple bullets after they were fired. so the answer to your speed question is yes.


so to summarize:

Blade is more than a solid bullet timer as he's casually dodged bullets before. You just admitted that type of speed can give Shang-Chi problems.

Shang Chi may have fought opponents that fight to kill, but they weren't as evenly skilled with him. In terms of swordsmanship, Blade is one of the best around.

There's no argument that Blade is stronger and more durable.

Blade has more going for him in his favor. Moreover, would you like to post the Gorgon fight? That fight is being used as the primary example of Shang-Chi winning here, even though he was clearly outmatched and never had a chance (he admits as much).

Originally posted by deathslash
but don't downplay his fight with Gorgon. He basically beat on gorgon for eight pages straight while Wolverine and Elektra together barely beat him.


...Gorgon beat Shang Chi, Wolverine beat Gorgon (although Gorgon had Wolverine beat before trying to finish him off). It's clear that Shang-Chi did worse against the Gorgon than Wolverine did. Ironfist did much better than both of them.

Shang Chi did well, but the entire point of that fight was that sometimes training and skill don't matter when your opponent physically outclasses you in such a significant way.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/113887/3653032-yes+yes+yes.png

Originally posted by Trackz
1. shang's opponents dont matter. very few of them have blade's combination of skill which is why we're having this thread.

2. fighting to kill matters when the two are evenly skilled.


3. blade has blocked multiple bullets and dodged multiple bullets after they were fired. so the answer to your speed question is yes.


so to summarize:

Blade is more than a solid bullet timer as he's casually dodged bullets before. You just admitted that type of speed can give Shang-Chi problems.

Shang Chi may have fought opponents that fight to kill, but they weren't as evenly skilled with him. In terms of swordsmanship, Blade is one of the best around.

There's no argument that Blade is stronger and more durable.

Blade has more going for him in his favor. Moreover, would you like to post the Gorgon fight? That fight is being used as the primary example of Shang-Chi winning here, even though he was clearly outmatched and never had a chance (he admits as much).

Shang-Chi has also dodged bullets before.

http://i.imgur.com/jsOfSM7l.jpg

He can also block bullets if need be.

http://i.imgur.com/eHPyGVA.jpg

Not voicing an opinion on the thread as such but just displaying Shang-Chi does have decent speed feats too.

He has also used his Chi to block a punch from Hiroim.

http://i.imgur.com/0uHbm2zl.jpg


Here is the full fight (from what was saved on my PC, may have missed a scan, not too sure)

http://imgur.com/a/vv2UL

Originally posted by Trackz
1. shang's opponents dont matter.
Seriously?
Literally the silliest statement ever made on a Vs forum.

Originally posted by Trackz
so to summarize:
Your opinions dont matter. To me.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot

The Hiroim fight is also a decent speed feat. He's a good distance away, Hiroim is mid-punch (and, based on the power he uses, it's probably travelling at a fair clip too) and he still manages to get in under it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Hiroim fight is also a decent speed feat. He's a good distance away, Hiroim is mid-punch (and, based on the power he uses, it's probably travelling at a fair clip too) and he still manages to get in under it.

Yep it is a good feat. Seems Shang-Chi isn't getting much respect here, or not as much as he deserves.

Like here he is taking on Asgardian trolls, better fighter than he is seen to be here.

http://i.imgur.com/NdkCRFL.png

Originally posted by riv6672
Seriously?
Literally the silliest statement ever made on a Vs forum.


Your opinions dont matter. To me. if you're not going to contribute, don't comment.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Shang-Chi has also dodged bullets before.



He can also block bullets if need be.


Not voicing an opinion on the thread as such but just displaying Shang-Chi does have decent speed feats too.

He has also used his Chi to block a punch from Hiroim.



Here is the full fight (from what was saved on my PC, may have missed a scan, not too sure)

http://imgur.com/a/vv2UL

I had seen those feats before, but he commented that casual bullet timers would give shang chi trouble, so was responding to that.

the chi block is impressive, but won't matter much as I'm not sure he's used chi to block a bladed weapon before.

Originally posted by Trackz
if you're not going to contribute, don't comment.
Funny how you can both comment and contribute nothing.
Multi tasker.

Originally posted by Trackz
I had seen those feats before, but he commented that casual bullet timers would give shang chi trouble, so was responding to that.

the chi block is impressive, but won't matter much as I'm not sure he's used chi to block a bladed weapon before.

There you are assuming that Shang-Chi couldn't so and I strongly bet he could do so. He probably hasn't used his chi to stop a piano falling on his head but it doesn't mean he couldn't.

And if it comes to it that he can't do so he has the reflexes as shown by the bullet dodging scan to avoid the hit from Blade.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
There you are assuming that Shang-Chi couldn't so and I strongly bet he could do so. He probably hasn't used his chi to stop a piano falling on his head but it doesn't mean he couldn't.

And if it comes to it that he can't do so he has the reflexes as shown by the bullet dodging scan to avoid the hit from Blade.

we can't just assume he can do things he hasn't, otherwise we can assume blade has other vampiric abilities he hasn't demonstrated yet.

either way, gorgon had no problem slicing through him in their fight.

they've both dodged bullets, saying because he could dodge bullets he could dodge blade is like me saying shang would never hit blade because he's dodged bullets. they're going to hit one another, blade will be hitting him with something more deadly.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
There you are assuming that Shang-Chi couldn't so and I strongly bet he could do so. He probably hasn't used his chi to stop a piano falling on his head but it doesn't mean he couldn't.

And if it comes to it that he can't do so he has the reflexes as shown by the bullet dodging scan to avoid the hit from Blade.

Blade has dodge bullets at close range from Deadpool. And Shang doesn't seem to have the endurance to use Chi on the same level as Iron Fist. Everytime I have seen him used chi he is immediately weaken thereafter.

And Blade has great reflexes too, even with just human stats he caught two blades thrown at him while blindfolded.

Originally posted by Trackz
we can't just assume he can do things he hasn't, otherwise we can assume blade has other vampiric abilities he hasn't demonstrated yet.

either way, gorgon had no problem slicing through him in their fight.

they've both dodged bullets, saying because he could dodge bullets he could dodge blade is like me saying shang would never hit blade because he's dodged bullets. they're going to hit one another, blade will be hitting him with something more deadly.

Mentioning about Blade performing different vampiric feats is a completely different thing, one vampiric ability could be completely different from the other. Whereas Shang-Chi blocking a punch from Hiroim it is reasonable to suggest that he could use his chi to block a hit from a sword. It's a completely different debate on what you're saying with Blade both of the things don't correlate.

Gorgon having the capability to slice up Shang-Chi doesn't make much difference, Gorgon is a speed demon so it it's easy to presume that Shang-Chi couldn't always avoid the hits from someone like him.

Again your analogy is wrong. Given that he has dodged bullets it is fairly safe to assume that he will be able to dodge a sword coming at him. And like I have mentioned given he has dodged a point blank gunshot to the face it is reasonable to say he will dodge Blade now and then. Of course they were going to hit one another again I wasn't saying otherwise. Just mentioning a feat that he has performed.

Hitting is the key word it doesn't matter whether he was hitting him with a spoon or a sword speed was the discussion not the deadlines of the weapon.

Anyways like I said before I wasn't voicing an opinion on either Shang-Chi or Blades chances just sharing what I have stored on my PC of Shang-Chi so that people can see the feats he has performed.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Blade has dodge bullets at close range from Deadpool. And Shang doesn't seem to have the endurance to use Chi on the same level as Iron Fist. Everytime I have seen him used chi he is immediately weaken thereafter.

And Blade has great reflexes too, even with just human stats he caught two blades thrown at him while blindfolded.

With the Chi feat I wasn't basing on him using it every time to no sell every hit, it was more of a case of him showing how if needed to i.e Blade was in the position to kill him like Shang-chi was on the ground he could use it albeit at the cost of his endurance to keep himself alive.

Again I wasn't belittling Blade in any way saying Shang-Chi would hit Blade every time, was just showing some feats to say it isn't as one sided.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Mentioning about Blade performing different vampiric feats is a completely different thing, one vampiric ability could be completely different from the other. Whereas Shang-Chi blocking a punch from Hiroim it is reasonable to suggest that he could use his chi to block a hit from a sword. It's a completely different debate on what you're saying with Blade both of the things don't correlate.

Gorgon having the capability to slice up Shang-Chi doesn't make much difference, Gorgon is a speed demon so it it's easy to presume that Shang-Chi couldn't always avoid the hits from someone like him.

Again your analogy is wrong. Given that he has dodged bullets it is fairly safe to assume that he will be able to dodge a sword coming at him. And like I have mentioned given he has dodged a point blank gunshot to the face it is reasonable to say he will dodge Blade now and then. Of course they were going to hit one another again I wasn't saying otherwise. Just mentioning a feat that he has performed.

Hitting is the key word it doesn't matter whether he was hitting him with a spoon or a sword speed was the discussion not the deadlines of the weapon.

Anyways like I said before I wasn't voicing an opinion on either Shang-Chi or Blades chances just sharing what I have stored on my PC of Shang-Chi so that people can see the feats he has performed.

it's not at all since most standard vampires share common abilities like changing into mist and what not. we don't say blade can do those things since he hasn't before. similar to shang-chi here, blocking a blunt force is much different than blocking an object meant to pierce.

You're missing my point about gorgon slicing. It was evidence that Shang Chi has been sliced by a sword before and didn't use chi to defend himself.

You're missing my point again. Shang-Chi dodging bullets isn't evidence that Blade won't be able to tag him with the sword. Blade has dodged point blank bullets as well. Every speed feat Shang has, Blade has. So to say he'll dodge him because he's dodged bullets can easily be flipped on its head.

It DEFINITELY matters what they're hitting each other with. If they have comparable speed and comparable skill, it comes down to damage soak. Not only is Blade more durable, but he has a weapon that will put Shang down with one hit (his sword). The deadliness of the weapon is a huge advantage for Blade here.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
With the Chi feat I wasn't basing on him using it every time to no sell every hit, it was more of a case of him showing how if needed to i.e Blade was in the position to kill him like Shang-chi was on the ground he could use it albeit at the cost of his endurance to keep himself alive.

Again I wasn't belittling Blade in any way saying Shang-Chi would hit Blade every time, was just showing some feats to say it isn't as one sided.

fair enough

The problem is you're making assumptions about Chi you don't know it's a point we can't really debate on as it's never been shown but it's perhaps reasonable to assume he can. The argument can work both ways.

And like I said I agreed with you about Gorgon I never mentioned Chi, and like I said to Supermutant.

It was just something I was bringing up to say if he was pressed into a dangerous situation i.e Blade knocked him to the ground he could save his own life. Like I said again with Gorgon it wouldn't matter whether Shang-Chi had the capability or not. Gorgon is so fast I doubt Shang-Chi could ever block a hit even if he wanted to.

You said this to me "Shang-Chi dodging bullets isn't evidence that Blade won't be able to tag him with the sword."

I never said Shang-Chi would dodge every single hit Blade threw at him I said it was reasonable to presume he would dodge a hit from Blade now and then and you can't disagree with that. I would never say Shang-Chi goes into the fight dodging every hit thinking Blade needs to sharpen up on his skills.

The only reason I said what he was using to attack didn't matter was the discussion between us was for the majority on speed, whatever the weapon was wouldn't matter until x character hits x character.

Sure Blade probably could decapitate Shang-Chi in one hit. And I agree with you that it is a plus for him was just stating that speed was more of a focus.

Again I would like to reiterate with my original post if you read it I never once made an argument saying Shang-Chi stomps 10/10 or Blade stomps 10/10. In fact you will notice I even posted the fight in which Shang-Chi got humiliated so everyone on this thread could see it, therefore gaining better knowledge of Shang-Chi's abilities so they could make an opinion.

My post was completely neutral, never stated a side either way. I intended to have that post as a benchmark for people to say.

"Oh I never knew Shang-Chi had dodged a bullet a bullet at point blank range, this makes the fight more even".

One of the best speed feats I've seen recently was the one Blade performed when Deadpool was trying to hit him. It's even more impressive if you view it on the motion comic.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
One of the best speed feats I've seen recently was the one Blade performed when Deadpool was trying to hit him. It's even more impressive if you view it on the motion comic.

Is it okay if you could share the issue number please? Would be interested in checking it out.

Deadpool: the Gauntlet #4 I believe.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Deadpool: the Gauntlet #4 I believe.

Okay thanks a lot.

Originally posted by Trackz
...Gorgon beat Shang Chi, Wolverine beat Gorgon (although Gorgon had Wolverine beat before trying to finish him off). It's clear that Shang-Chi did worse against the Gorgon than Wolverine did.

Wolverine certainly looked better then Elektra, which is impressive enough. He couldn't physically beat him, though. He admitted as much. And he had the benefit of experience, thanks to his prior fight with Elektra and S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents backing him up.

But lets look at their fights:

Fight 1: Gorgon vs Elektra and Wolverine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/Wolv30ffsxtvp016-17_zps57533eb0.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/Wolv30ffsxtvp018_zps5b78c64f.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/Wolv30ffsxtvp019_zps86d64908.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/Wolv30ffsxtvp020_zpsf8f6402e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/Wolv30ffsxtvp021_zpsb4ba6f26.jpg

This shows Gorgon's insane speed advantage and damage soak. Wolverine and Elektra had the benefit of prep, gear, a surprise attack, and fully armed S.H.I.E.L.D. support, and they couldn't even slow Gorgon down.

Is it any wonder Shang claimed his Stark gear wouldn't be enough to defeat this monster?

Continued next post.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Straight up ignored his actually point not once but twice. Shit debating

I challenge you to a battlezone. You can use Shang Chi and I'll use someone below him like Nightwing or Punisher. Should be easy for you since I practice "shit debating." We can have judges and all that stuff. I'm pretty sure your statement about "shit debating" will come back to bite you.

Wolverine vs Gorgon, 1 vs 1:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/w-31-008_zps3ac7ae22.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/w-31-009_zpsf0666c49.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/w-31-010_zps244dc8c0.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/w-31-011_zps1947682f.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/w-31-012_zps5135afbd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/w-31-013_zps931f1281.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/w-31-015_zpsc27f3bd6.jpg


Wolverine charges Gorgon with a rocket, as Gorgon's distracted while dealing with S.H.I.E.L.D. agents. The h2h portion had Gorgon with a distinct advantage... To be blunt, Gorgon destroyed Wolverine here.

Yes, Logan landed a few attacks of his own, and yes, he had the presence of mind to counter Gorgon's stone stare, which is the mark of a great fighter. But if this was Captain America, or Daredevil, or Spidey taking what Wolverine took.....?

Or Shang, for that matter?

Continued in next post.

Shang Chi vs Gorgon:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-005_zpsfcc6fb5f.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-006_zps32f5f1d0.jpg

Starting out, Shang not only doesn't have the support Wolverine had, he's also forced to deal with Gorgon's hand ninjas.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-007_zps77ed7fa4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-008_zps4fa62aee.jpg

An example of Shangs speed/agility and intelligence. Already, he looks better then Elektra or Wolverine did in their fights, simply by virtue of scoring initiative without any support or distractions, except for the advantage he created mid fight (Smothering the torches with a Stark tech enhanced thunderclap.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-009_zpsc3f79024.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-010_zps03b7fe44.jpg

Durability and strength feat for Gorgon.

And, a durability feat for Shang. He gets sent flying pretty high and hard, and manages to shake it off, despite his lack of a healing factor.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-011_zps73481c75.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-012_zpsf171b147.jpg

Another example of Shangs intelligence. Also, a good accuracy feat, hitting someone with Gorgon's reflexes.

Continues...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-013_zps6b546131.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-014_zps2a11f83c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-015_zps066fd920.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-016_zps5762ab6b.jpg

Charges Gorgon (Without the aid of a rocket pack ), and scores an impressive blitz. Brings him to his knees.

And then, as your scans show, Gorgon tanks his attack, and lands one of his own, finishing the fight.

It's also important to note that Gorgon is using a sword that killed Mikiboshi, a.k.a. Chaos King, after he killed the skyfather Zeus. I doubt even Wolverine could tank a hit from that sword.



So, there you have it.

Shang displayed impressive speed, agility, ninja like misdirection skills, and tactics. He also had the advantage of Stark tech amping his attacks, and it still wasn't enough.

He lost because his damage dealing ability was < Gorgon's damage soak ability. As did Wolverine. But give him his due, it was a good fight, and he looked better then anyone thought he would, Stark tech or no..

As an aside, this was a pretty fun fight. I'd say this is right up there with Cassandra Cain vs Shiva, or Val Armorr vs Nemesis Kid.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I challenge you to a battlezone. You can use Shang Chi and I'll use someone below him like Nightwing or Punisher. Should be easy for you since I practice "shit debating." We can have judges and all that stuff. I'm pretty sure your statement about "shit debating" will come back to bite you. So you can ignore any points i make

Originally posted by iceman24567
So you can ignore any points i make

If you make any points at all. Don't be a

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19620752_23891.jpg

Originally posted by Trackz
we can't just assume he can do things he hasn't, otherwise we can assume blade has other vampiric abilities he hasn't demonstrated yet.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Mentioning about Blade performing different vampiric feats is a completely different thing, one vampiric ability could be completely different from the other. Whereas Shang-Chi blocking a punch from Hiroim it is reasonable to suggest that he could use his chi to block a hit from a sword. It's a completely different debate on what you're saying with Blade both of the things don't correlate.

Basically some posters in the Blade camp are using jacked up analogies, skewed comparisons and biased ABC logic.
Its one of the reasons this thread's gone for 6 pages.

Then there's this

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot


Again I wasn't belittling Blade .

Just MO, but making Shang Chi out to be less than what he clearly is,is a lackluster debate tactic.
Both these characters are good, just in different ways.

Originally posted by Supermutant
If you make any points at all. Don't be a

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19620752_23891.jpg Thats funny coming from somebody who cant even admit when hes wrong

Charges Gorgon (Without the aid of a rocket pack ), and scores an impressive blitz. Brings him to his knees.

And then, as your scans show, Gorgon tanks his attack, and lands one of his own, finishing the fight.

It's also important to note that Gorgon is using a sword that killed Mikiboshi, a.k.a. Chaos King, after he killed the skyfather Zeus. I doubt even Wolverine could tank a hit from that sword.



So, there you have it.

Shang displayed impressive speed, agility, ninja like misdirection skills, and tactics. He also had the advantage of Stark tech amping his attacks, and it still wasn't enough.

He lost because his damage dealing ability was < Gorgon's damage soak ability. As did Wolverine. But give him his due, it was a good fight, and he looked better then anyone thought he would, Stark tech or no..

As an aside, this was a pretty fun fight. I'd say this is right up there with Cassandra Cain vs Shiva, or Val Armorr vs Nemesis Kid.


1. shang chi also received enhancements prior to the fight. i don't think it's fair to hold wolverine's rocket against him and not do the same for shang's stark tech.

2. wolverine did considerably more damage to gorgon, you can't ignore that.

3. we should bring up the different mindsets. gorgon didn't respect shang immediately, whereas he wanted to kill wolverine from the onset. it's a minor detail, but shang chi's first few hits came on a gorgon that hadn't taken him seriously yet.

4. i would say all things considered shang's fight was at best even with wolverine. they both landed about 3 or 4 real hits before getting put down easily.

I still don't understand how this feat should be used to shang chi in regards to blade. he got dismissed by Gorgon as much as anyone ever had. Like wolverine, he pulled out all of his best tricks just to stagger the gorgon.

it was a great fight from shang chi, but i'm not sure it can be used for or against him here. especially considering blade has actually beaten someone like Dracula who has dismissed people like Wolverine and pulled apart guys like Deadpool much easier than The Gorgon has. I would agree that this proves that Shang Chi is evidence that Shang Chi is a better fighter than Wolverine, though.

Originally posted by riv6672
Basically some posters in the Blade camp are using jacked up analogies, skewed comparisons and biased ABC logic.
Its one of the reasons this thread's gone for 6 pages.

Then there's this



Just MO, but making Shang Chi out to be less than what he clearly is,is a lackluster debate tactic.
Both these characters are good, just in different ways. because you don't understand the analogy doesn't make it jacked up.

humanoid vampires in marvel all have the same abilities that grow over time. it's why no name vampires can still shape shift, mesmerize, and turn to mist. to give shang chi abilities he hasn't demonstrated is exactly the same as giving blade vampiric abilities he hasn't demonstrated.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
One of the best speed feats I've seen recently was the one Blade performed when Deadpool was trying to hit him. It's even more impressive if you view it on the motion comic.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/IMG_9620B_zps91cd49d2.jpg

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
The problem is you're making assumptions about Chi you don't know it's a point we can't really debate on as it's never been shown but it's perhaps reasonable to assume he can. The argument can work both ways.

And like I said I agreed with you about Gorgon I never mentioned Chi, and like I said to Supermutant.

It was just something I was bringing up to say if he was pressed into a dangerous situation i.e Blade knocked him to the ground he could save his own life. Like I said again with Gorgon it wouldn't matter whether Shang-Chi had the capability or not. Gorgon is so fast I doubt Shang-Chi could ever block a hit even if he wanted to.

You said this to me "Shang-Chi dodging bullets isn't evidence that Blade won't be able to tag him with the sword."

I never said Shang-Chi would dodge every single hit Blade threw at him I said it was reasonable to presume he would dodge a hit from Blade now and then and you can't disagree with that. I would never say Shang-Chi goes into the fight dodging every hit thinking Blade needs to sharpen up on his skills.

The only reason I said what he was using to attack didn't matter was the discussion between us was for the majority on speed, whatever the weapon was wouldn't matter until x character hits x character.

Sure Blade probably could decapitate Shang-Chi in one hit. And I agree with you that it is a plus for him was just stating that speed was more of a focus.

Again I would like to reiterate with my original post if you read it I never once made an argument saying Shang-Chi stomps 10/10 or Blade stomps 10/10. In fact you will notice I even posted the fight in which Shang-Chi got humiliated so everyone on this thread could see it, therefore gaining better knowledge of Shang-Chi's abilities so they could make an opinion.

My post was completely neutral, never stated a side either way. I intended to have that post as a benchmark for people to say.

"Oh I never knew Shang-Chi had dodged a bullet a bullet at point blank range, this makes the fight more even".


I'm not making the assumption that Shang chi can't do it. I'm saying because he hasn't done it, we can't assume he would in a forum debate.

i don't disagree that shang could dodge a hit now and then, but i don't see what the point of supporting that was when i claimed their speed could be even to begin with (although someone else did state that bullet timers would give shang chi trouble).

either way i never made any assumptions about your position, i was just addressing the points you were bringing up that i wasn't sure i completely agreed with. i could disagree with someone that thinks blade would win on details in their argument.

Originally posted by -K-M-
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/IMG_9620B_zps91cd49d2.jpg The fact that Deadpool has shot speedsters in the past doesn't hurt the feat either. And it looks even cooler when viewed in digital comic.

Originally posted by Trackz
because you don't understand the analogy doesn't make it jacked up.

Just because you make it understansable doesnt mean its not jacked up.

I can do do this all week, guy; verbally running circles around lax, easily angered posters is kind of fun.

I and everyone else have already made our points, the rest is just a few folks likecyou, not letting things go.

Originally posted by riv6672
Just because you make it understansable doesnt mean its not jacked up.

I can do do this all week, guy; verbally running circles around lax, easily angered posters is kind of fun.

I and everyone else have already made our points, the rest is just a few folks likecyou, not letting things go. the point of debate is that people challenge those points made. just because you say something doesn't mean it's valid. at this point you're just trolling.

I think you're throwing out the T word to try and save face.

Very petty if you. Considering you're doing the very thing you say i am and all.

Originally posted by riv6672
I think you're throwing out the T word to try and save face.

Very petty if you. Considering you're doing the very thing you say i am and all.

1. the vast majority of your comments in this thread have been dismissing arguments rather than addressing them

2. you've added nothing to the thread other than you believing shang chi to be more experienced

3. i'll do us both a favor and block you.

Thank you!

Originally posted by SamZED
The fact that Deadpool has shot speedsters in the past doesn't hurt the feat either. And it looks even cooler when viewed in digital comic. Also Deadpool would have to be regarded as one of the best marksman with a gun in Marvel also.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Also Deadpool would have to be regarded as one of the best marksman with a gun in Marvel also. But Deadpool has missed his targets plenty of times.

Originally posted by deathslash
But Deadpool has missed his targets plenty of times. When? Aside from when he's dealing with bullet dodgers like Wolverine and other competent opponents I mean.

Originally posted by SamZED
When? Aside from when he's dealing with bullet dodgers like Wolverine and other competent opponents I mean.

Isn't the point here, to show Blade's supposed to be a cut above a competent bullet dodger like Logan?

I mean, I'm assuming we're all on the same page with regards to tiers... Iron Fist/Shang at the top of it, Elektra/Daredevil just below them, and Logan/everyone else near the bottom.

Yeah, KMC has posters who think Wolverine is god tier, but who takes them seriously?

1. Blade
2. Shang Chi

really all that matters here

Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't the point here, to show Blade's supposed to be a cut above a competent bullet dodger like Logan?

I mean, I'm assuming we're all on the same page with regards to tiers... Iron Fist/Shang at the top of it, Elektra/Daredevil just below them, and Logan/everyone else near the bottom.

Yeah, KMC has posters who think Wolverine is god tier, but who takes them seriously? Well yeah, but missing Logan is no bad feat, I mean Deadpool himself has dodged machine gun fire from freaking Bussleye at close range, guys like Deathstroke can miss Batgirl etc that happens a lot.

Originally posted by Supermutant
And here is Shang Chi vs a bone-claw Logan

Notice again how quickly he is dead to rights. Shang Chi simply doesn't have a good track record against metas and Blade is easily faster and stronger than him plus more durable and have a healing factor. lol This is a murder stomp even more so than his battle with Gorgon.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612270_1149911-981156_shangchi1nx1_super.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612271_1149913-981157_shangchi2af8_super.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19612272_1149912-981158_shangchi3eu5_super.jpg

Please don't use that. That doesn't prove anything, Shang Chi was surprised that's all
Originally posted by cdtm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-013_zps6b546131.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-014_zps2a11f83c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-015_zps066fd920.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AvengersWorld2014-003-016_zps5762ab6b.jpg

Charges Gorgon (Without the aid of a rocket pack ), and scores an impressive blitz. Brings him to his knees.

And then, as your scans show, Gorgon tanks his attack, and lands one of his own, finishing the fight.

It's also important to note that Gorgon is using a sword that killed Mikiboshi, a.k.a. Chaos King, after he killed the skyfather Zeus. I doubt even Wolverine could tank a hit from that sword.



So, there you have it.

Shang displayed impressive speed, agility, ninja like misdirection skills, and tactics. He also had the advantage of Stark tech amping his attacks, and it still wasn't enough.

He lost because his damage dealing ability was < Gorgon's damage soak ability. As did Wolverine. But give him his due, it was a good fight, and he looked better then anyone thought he would, Stark tech or no..

As an aside, this was a pretty fun fight. I'd say this is right up there with Cassandra Cain vs Shiva, or Val Armorr vs Nemesis Kid.

Can I ask what did the tech do? Give him a power amp or speed amp or both?

Originally posted by Deadline
Please don't use that. That doesn't prove anything, Shang Chi was surprised that's all


Can I ask what did the tech do? Give him a power amp or speed amp or both? neither, it just shoots an energy blast/allows him to electrify people. I guess that would qualify as a "power amp" in the sense it gives him a power he didn't have before, but it doesnt make him stronger.

Interesting reading...

Originally posted by Trackz
neither, it just shoots an energy blast/allows him to electrify people. I guess that would qualify as a "power amp" in the sense it gives him a power he didn't have before, but it doesnt make him stronger.

If that's the case, that's an extremely good showing. However I don't think that Gorgon is as invincible as he used to be. I think Iron Fist was stalemating him in a fight once, not that its a bad thing but going by Gorgon's earlier showing I don't think that fight would have lasted long.

Originally posted by Deadline
If that's the case, that's an extremely good showing. However I don't think that Gorgon is as invincible as he used to be. I think Iron Fist was stalemating him in a fight once, not that its a bad thing but going by Gorgon's earlier showing I don't think that fight would have lasted long.

Well, you could argue that demonstrated Fist's moving up, over Gorgon moving down.

Fist was also getting some pretty big exposure at the time, with his mini, making super high end showings like what Remender wrote more common place.

Looks like the new writer in The Living Weapon series continues amping him up, now having him project hadoken like ki balls and ride a kamehameha like wave out of Kun L'un, into Earths dimension, and taking a freefall crash landing from miles up without a scratch.

Too bad his characterization is so bad, he's not even the same guy anymore. Basically, he's become a shallow womanizing punk without many redeeming qualities...

Thats the exact opposite if Iron Fist...

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, you could argue that demonstrated Fist's moving up, over Gorgon moving down.

Fist was also getting some pretty big exposure at the time, with his mini, making super high end showings like what Remender wrote more common place.

Looks like the new writer in The Living Weapon series continues amping him up, now having him project hadoken like ki balls and ride a kamehameha like wave out of Kun L'un, into Earths dimension, and taking a freefall crash landing from miles up without a scratch.

Too bad his characterization is so bad, he's not even the same guy anymore. Basically, he's become a shallow womanizing punk without many redeeming qualities...

One argument I've seen is that because Gorgon states that he's saving his fight for Wolverine, he holds back against Ironfist. We never see their fight to the conclusion and his fight was similar to Wolverine and Shang Chi in that he started out very strong. Both both of them were put down easily after he recovered, however Gorgon never gets the chance to do that. I do believe he's had the best fight against Gorgon though.

Originally posted by Deadline
If that's the case, that's an extremely good showing. However I don't think that Gorgon is as invincible as he used to be. I think Iron Fist was stalemating him in a fight once, not that its a bad thing but going by Gorgon's earlier showing I don't think that fight would have lasted long. It's a good showing, but I feel like it's in line with everything he's done before. The fight was meant to prove that all the skill in the world can't help you overcome a physical disadvantage sometimes. I dont discredit the showing, I just don't really understand what it proves in regards to this fight.

Well you're assuming the fight was meant to prove that. You have a preconceived notion you're shoe horning the scene into.
Nothing more than that.

And yes i realize i'm on ignore, but a biased point still bears commenting on.

Originally posted by Trackz
It's a good showing, but I feel like it's in line with everything he's done before. The fight was meant to prove that all the skill in the world can't help you overcome a physical disadvantage sometimes. I dont discredit the showing, I just don't really understand what it proves in regards to this fight.

Yea I guess. I think Shang wins h2h I think he has some really good h2h showings that have to trump Blade. Another really good feat is him blocking Hiriom's punch. Bare in mind Hiriom went up against Ironfist, from what I remember they both ended up clashing fists and Ironfist looked his hand was hurt while Hiriom was just fine. I think it would still be a good fight though.

With weapons I'm not too sure wether it's fair. Does Blade carry a gun as standard equipment? Also it's a featurless environment, if the fight was in NYC or in a jungle you could argue that Shang could use the environment to help him. In a featurless environment I don't think it's going to last that long.

You actually bought that?
Ah well.

Unless Shang has some ridiculous feat as of late....I'm saying Blade.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I guess. I think Shang wins h2h I think he has some really good h2h showings that have to trump Blade. Another really good feat is him blocking Hiriom's punch. Bare in mind Hiriom went up against Ironfist, from what I remember they both ended up clashing fists and Ironfist looked his hand was hurt while Hiriom was just fine. I think it would still be a good fight though.

With weapons I'm not too sure wether it's fair. Does Blade carry a gun as standard equipment? Also it's a featurless environment, if the fight was in NYC or in a jungle you could argue that Shang could use the environment to help him. In a featurless environment I don't think it's going to last that long.

I agree, the only impressive hand to hand feat blade has is beating those doombots with krav maga. Nothing to compare with shang chi.

Originally posted by Trackz
I agree, the only impressive hand to hand feat blade has is beating those doombots with krav maga. Nothing to compare with shang chi. Didn't Blade display some H2H skills in his earlyl 90's series? I recall him taking on a group of vampires in a bar.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Didn't Blade display some H2H skills in his earlyl 90's series? I recall him taking on a group of vampires in a bar. Yea, i mean he can fight, but he's not going to be taking out champions. He got taken out in hand-to-hand easily by Divinity in Tomb of Dracula, she was a three time hai-ki-do champion or something.

Well then Shang stomps then.

Shang doesn't stomp.

Originally posted by Trackz
It's a good showing, but I feel like it's in line with everything he's done before. The fight was meant to prove that all the skill in the world can't help you overcome a physical disadvantage sometimes. I dont discredit the showing, I just don't really understand what it proves in regards to this fight.

Batman fanboys, take note.

Batman >>>> Shang and Blade together sneer

Blade is not as skilled as Shang but his physical edge will give him the win.

Yeah, Shang's only human level:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/MasterofKungFu1180097_zpsfa65d508.jpg

Haha