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Who wins in an all out battle? Fight takes place on flat terrain.

I'm leaning Tyranus in a good fight.

Dooku

Dooku's overall force and saber mastery seems to be superior. Its a close one though.

Dooku.

Nox is too powerful for Dooku. Thanaton wasn't that far from the Counts level and look at what Nox did to him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thanaton wasn't that far from the Counts level and look at what Nox did to him.
I just lol'ed so hard.

In terms of the Force.

Darth Nox comfortably

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Nox comfortably

Nah, definitely not comfortably.

Originally posted by Sinious
Nah, definitely not comfortably.
Darth Nox wields too much power due to his sorcery-driven power progression, I believe that he should be banned from versus debates. But if stupendously augmented characters for versus debates are being openly considered then there are implications. Count Dooku cannot realistically contend with combined might of multiple Ghosts and a Force-user who is masterful in the ways of sorcery.

Count Dooku is built for conventional competition.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Nox wields too much power due to his sorcery-driven power progression, I believe that he should be banned from versus debates. But if stupendously augmented characters for versus debates are being openly considered then there are implications. Count Dooku cannot realistically contend with combined might of multiple Ghosts and a Force-user who is masterful in the ways of sorcery.

Count Dooku is built for conventional competition.

Dooku wasn't considered worthy to be apprenticed by Sidious for nothing. He is at least a challenge to almost every top tor sith.

But I see that you also think Thanaton is same level with Jadus, Malgus and the Dread Masters so I'm assuming you think Nox is the second most powerful sith within the Empire?

Originally posted by Sinious
Dooku wasn't considered worthy to be apprenticed by Sidious for nothing. He is at least a challenge to almost every top tor sith.
Its not like as if Darth Sidious had many options to consider, he didn't pick Count Dooku among thousands of other Sith Lords waiting in a line or something.

Count Dooku was a powerful Jedi but not satisfied with situation of the Jedi Order in his time, Darth Sidious found him to be useful to further his agenda.

And no, Count Dooku isn't supposed to be a challenge to every top-tier Sith Lord; this is utterly fanon assumption. It is certainly possible that some ancient masters of the Force can crush him like a tin-can.

Originally posted by Sinious
But I see that you also think Thanaton is same level with Jadus, Malgus and the Dread Masters so I'm assuming you think Nox is the second most powerful sith within the Empire?
Darth Nox is a candidate for such a rank, yes.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Its not like as if Darth Sidious had many options to consider, he didn't pick Count Dooku among thousands of other Sith Lords waiting in a line or something.

Count Dooku was a powerful Jedi but not satisfied with situation of the Jedi Order in his time, Darth Sidious found him to be useful to further his agenda.



True but still, he isnt gonna be stomped by Nox for sure. It would be a good fight.



I said almost every sith lord.




I really don't think so. He definitely isnt gonna solo a Dread Master where Malgus at least has a chance and Jadus is commonly believed to be superior to Malgus in the empire.

Originally posted by Sinious
True but still, he isnt gonna be stomped by Nox for sure. It would be a good fight.
Nope.

If Count Dooku will attempt to strike at Darth Nox with his lightsaber, the former would stop him right at the spot and then use his overwhelming powers to destroy Count Dooku. It won't be much of a fight.

Darth Thanaton's fate should tell you something and Count Dooku is not even on his level.

Originally posted by Sinious
I said almost every sith lord.
I believe that Count Dooku is strong and skilled enough to handle majority in the mythos which is really big since millions of Jedi and Sith have existed in history but you are really stretching it.

Originally posted by Sinious
I really don't think so. He definitely isnt gonna solo a Dread Master where Malgus at least has a chance and Jadus is commonly believed to be superior to Malgus in the empire.
I regard Dread Masters as anomalies too. They are have demonstrated The Ones like capabilities, should not be considered for versus contests either.

I believe that some characters should be simply not considered for versus debates.

Dooku might give Nox a decent fight due to his lightsaber prowess and speed but Nox is overwhelmingly powerful.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku might give Nox a decent fight due to his lightsaber prowess and speed but Nox is overwhelmingly powerful.
Darth Nox can prevent Count Dooku from even swinging his lightsaber, he is that much stupendously augmented.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nope.

If Count Dooku will attempt to strike at Darth Nox with his lightsaber, the former would stop him right at the spot and then use his overwhelming powers to destroy Count Dooku. It won't be much of a fight.

Darth Thanaton's fate should tell you something and Count Dooku is not even on his level.


Like Neph said, Dooku is fast and very capable with his saber skills and he is no noob with the force as well. Surely Nox is superior in that area but he would at least manage to get close to Nox and give him a decent fight.

lol @ Dooku not being same level with Thanaton.



Most of the dark lords of other eras would kill him and same could be said for Nox.





I don't think they are that superior to the rest. I honestly believe that Darth Jadus has a good chance at defeating a mediocre DM in 1v1 but we need more info on him so that remains to be seen.

IMO, Dread Masters vs Dark Council would be a good fight.

Originally posted by Sinious
Like Neph said, Dooku is fast and very capable with his saber skills and he is no noob with the force as well. Surely Nox is superior in that area but he would at least manage to get close to Nox and give him a decent fight.
This battle is unlikely to get in to lightsaber dueling. Darth Nox packs too much power if we are considering his peak augmented incarnation, don't you get it?

When Darth Thanaton intended to use his lightsaber in the 3rd duel, Darth Nox simply prevented the former from doing so which is virtually impossible otherwise since Darth Thanaton is one of the strongest mortals to have emerged in the mythos, Darth Nox was augmented to such a degree.

Originally posted by Sinious
lol @ Dooku not being same level with Thanaton.
He is not.

In-fact, I would argue that Darth Skotia could be on par with Count Dooku, if not better. Darth Skotia was so powerful that Lord Zash thought that her apprentice may not be able to defeat her in a fair battle and she did not took chances either. Darth Skotia's cybernetics had to be compromised before he could be taken down. Please keep in mind that Darth Nox wasn't a mook when he confronted Darth Skotia, he was already realized as the most powerful Sith Lord to have emerged in a span of generations and was the 2nd individual to impress Khem Val after Tulak Hord in a span of thousands of years.

Originally posted by Sinious
Most of the dark lords of other eras would kill him and same could be said for Nox.
Indeed

The percentage that outguns Count Dooku is small on holistic level but it is still not a very small list.

Originally posted by Sinious
I don't think they are that superior to the rest. I honestly believe that Darth Jadus has a good chance at defeating a mediocre DM in 1v1 but we need more info on him so that remains to be seen.

IMO, Dread Masters vs Dark Council would be a good fight.
I agree that Dread Masters vs Dark Council would be a fight that I would even pay to see but I believe that Dread Masters are so much specialized and capable in the ways of the Force that it is virtually impossible to handle even a lone Dread Master on his own turf in a fair contest at-least unless that individual is Emperor Vitiate and he is the only one who had earned respect of Dread Masters, no one else could.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He is not.

In-fact, I would argue that Darth Skotia could be on par with Count Dooku, if not better.

You've gone insane, Legend.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Please keep in mind that Darth Nox wasn't a mook when he confronted Darth Skotia, he was already realized as the most powerful Sith Lord to have emerged in a span of generations.

No. Nox wasn't even a Sith Lord and hadn't realised her power yet. You are wanking so hard you could blow a hole in a wall with that cumshot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You've gone insane, Legend.
Did you paid attention to the reasoning or not?

Darth Skotia was so powerful that Lord Zash feared him and Darth Nox had to resort to unfair means to subdue him.

Insanity is in the belief that only a popular character is supposed to be stronger then Count Dooku and that Darth Thanaton have many equal/superior. Get this nonsense out of your head.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You've gone insane, Legend.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did you paid attention to the reasoning or not?

Darth Skotia was so powerful that Lord Zash feared him and Darth Nox had to resort to unfair means to subdue him.

Insanity is in the belief that only a popular character is supposed to be stronger then Count Dooku. Get this nonsense out of your head.

I did pay attention. Your reasoning was atrocious.

Who cares that Zash feared him, Zash is hardly very powerful. She is an above average Sith Lord at best. Her only feat is blasting Nox back in their fight. Nox needing to disable him with cybernetics only indicates Nox isn't nearly as powerful as you absurd wanking suggests. Nox was still a mere apprentice fresh off of Korriban. They were not one of the most powerful Sith Lords in generations, duh.

Insanity is the belief that any TOR era Sith with a name is on Count Dooku's level. It's utter, raving lunacy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Insanity is the belief that any TOR era Sith with a name is on Count Dooku's level. It's utter, raving lunacy.

Coming from you lol.

Originally posted by carthage
Coming from you lol.
Shut the **** up and crawl back under your bridge you troll.

Originally posted by carthage
Coming from you lol.

When even I call Legend insane you know he's reached a new level of TOR worship.

This is coming from a guy who said Bane > Maul, Dooku, Anakin, Windu, and Caedus. Also you're one to talk showing up on SWF and trolling the forum with a sock account.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When even I call Legend insane you know he's reached a new level of TOR worship.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I did pay attention. Your reasoning was atrocious.

Who cares that Zash feared him, Zash is hardly very powerful. She is an above average Sith Lord at best. Nox needing to disable him with cybernetics only indicates Nox isn't nearly as powerful as you absurd wanking suggests.
Oh so you get to decide who is exactly how much good when it fits your agenda?

Darth Nox, at the time of apprenticeship, was already noted to be the most powerful Sith Lord to have emerged in a span of generations, completely dominated the deadly Sith Trials even though his superiors wanted him to fail and was considered for apprenticeship by Lord Zash for a reason, she saw potential in him that she didn't in others. In-fact, Khem Val, who is noted to have devoured even powerful Force-users, couldn't do so to Darth Nox, even when the latter (Darth Nox) was at his natural strength at this point.

It is not that Darth Nox was lacking in power, it is just that Darth Skotia was immensely strong perhaps due to his cybernetic augmentation.

Wretched monster. More machine than man and dangerously powerful.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Insanity is the belief that any TOR era Sith with a name in on Count Dooku's level. It's utter, raving lunacy.
Did I assert this?

Darth Skotia isn't any TOR era Sith with a name. Don't be stupid.

As I mentioned in another thread, if you are trying to reconcile TOR era ground realities with PT era ground realities, you will have distorted views about power levels witnessed in TOR era.

Originally posted by carthage
This is coming from a guy who said Bane > Maul, Dooku, Anakin, Windu, and Caedus. Also you're one to talk showing up on SWF and trolling the forum with a sock account.
And this is coming from the guy who makes a third of his topics to spite me, calls Bane Revan and Vitiate weak despite canon statements to the contrary, has no respect from any of the members on here, has admitted to being a troll, and pretty much exists on this forum to spite me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... **** OFF

I don't think Neph has an agenda. While I disagree with a lot of what he believes, he's merely calling you out for asserting one near featless character like Skotia is superior to the Count. I don't think anyone should take issue with that, as its probably one of the dumbest claims I've ever heard.

Originally posted by carthage
I don't think Neph has an agenda. While I disagree with a lot of what he believes, he's merely calling you out for asserting one near featless character like Skotia is superior to the Count. I don't think anyone should take issue with that, as its probably one of the dumbest claims I've ever heard.
Despite our huge differences and argument going on on this very topic in fact, I'd have to agree with you here.

Originally posted by carthage
I don't think Neph has an agenda. While I disagree with a lot of what he believes, he's merely calling you out for asserting one near featless character like Skotia is superior to the Count. I don't think anyone should take issue with that, as its probably one of the dumbest claims I've ever heard.
Darth Skotia isn't exactly featless, he easily killed a bunch of Sith who betrayed him.

More importantly, Darth Nox was already a powerful Force-user at the time of his confrontation with Darth Skotia, powerful by mythos standards and not just in personal claim. But the latter was so powerful that his cybernetics had to be undermined before he could be taken down.

Darth Skotia had cybernetic augmentation on top of his decent mastery of the Force so he isn't some normal random Sith. He is one of the major bosses to be dealt with in a Sith Inquisitor story and portrayed as among the strongest Sith of the Empire.

I am being realistic and open-minded, I don't adhere to pre-established notions of power levels in the mythos. I don't need to be reminded about how great Count Dooku is, he is one of the most well-known characters of the mythos. I focus on minute details though which are often a good way to assess things.

Many just stick to black and white comparisons to determine power levels. Naga Sadow threw a brick in a duel, OMG he utterly sucks kind of shit. Holistically, Naga Sadow is realized as a powerful sorcerer by mythos standards so he would be logically lot more capable then throwing a brick.

I advice Nephthys and Emperordmb to think wisely and not resort to labels. If I am claiming something, it is because of a reason.

k.

So Darth Skotia > Dooku ?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oh so you get to decide who is exactly how much good when it fits your agenda?

Darth Nox, at the time of apprenticeship, was already noted to be the most powerful Sith Lord to have emerged in a span of generations, completely dominated the deadly Sith Trials even though his superiors wanted him to fail and was considered for apprenticeship by Lord Zash for a reason, she saw potential in him that she didn't in others. In-fact, Khem Val, who is noted to have devoured even powerful Force-users, couldn't do so to Darth Nox, even when the latter (Darth Nox) was at his natural strength at this point.

It is not that Darth Nox was lacking in power, it is just that Darth Skotia was immensely strong perhaps due to his cybernetic augmentation.

Wretched monster. More machine than man and dangerously powerful.

Oh, you mean like how you get to decide who counts as powerful when it fits your agenda? Like in the other thread? Don't act as if your shit doesn't stink, Legend.

Bullshit, Nox couldn't be the most powerful Sith Lord in generations because she wasn't a Sith Lord yet. She's called that at the end of the Inquisitor storyline, Skotia is killed on the second planet. And if she was the most powerful Sith Lord in generations.... she wouldn't have needed to weaken Skotia before beating him, now would she? Zash chose Nox as an apprentice because she had a vision of Nox as her apprentice iirc. Khem was weakened when Nox beat him.

Skotia was a powerful Darth, but that's all.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did I assert this?

Darth Skotia isn't any TOR era Sith with a name. Don't be stupid.

As I mentioned in another thread, if you are trying to reconcile TOR era ground realities with PT era ground realities, you will have distorted views about power levels witnessed in TOR era.

No, I'm mocking your argument by suggesting that you tend to place any character in TOR above anyone in any other era. Skotia is a mid-level Sith, not even close to Dooku. In terms of feats the only thing he's done is kill some trandosian with TK and lose to Nox.

Originally posted by Nalaniel
So Darth Skotia > Dooku ?
Possibility or at-least equal. Generous assessment to be honest coz Darth Nox was already a powerhouse at the time of his confrontation with Darth Skotia but he had to resort to unfair means to defeat him.

Believe it or not, I rank Count Dooku very highly and I am already being generous by assuming that Darth Nox may not be equal to Count Dooku at natural level even thought he have comparable hype at this point, forget his augmented incarnation.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh, you mean like how you get to decide who counts as powerful when it fits your agenda? Like in the other thread? Don't act as if your shit doesn't stink, Legend.
Getting emotional now?

Are you an authority when it comes to Star Wars? Don't try to act like one.

I presented an argument. If you do not agree with it, you should provide a reasonable counter-argument.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit, Nox couldn't be the most powerful Sith Lord in generations because she wasn't a Sith Lord yet. She's called that at the end of the Inquisitor storyline, Skotia is killed on the second planet. And if she was the most powerful Sith Lord in generations.... she wouldn't have needed to weaken Skotia before beating him, now would she? Zash chose Nox as an apprentice because she had a vision of Nox as her apprentice iirc. Khem was weakened when Nox beat him.
Darth title does not implies great power on its own, it is earned with great accomplishments typically, at-least in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire. Darth Nox wasn't crowned as a Darth until he defeated Darth Thanaton which was an extreme level of challenge for earning the title of Darth to be honest.

Darth Nox was already a powerful Force-user by mythos standards during the time of his apprenticeship to Lord Zash, verified in TOR Encyclopedia.

In addition, you get to decide how strong an opponent is on the basis of at which point the confrontation took place? Don't be ridiculous.

ANALOGY: Bengel Morr (fallen) was a big threat to the Jedi Order but was taken down in the first planet, he utterly dominated the powerful Jedi Master Orgus Din in a battle but could not handle Hero of Tython. In-fact, Hero of Tython is labeled as such for his performances in Tython.

More importantly, Darth Skotia wasn't taken out in a fair contest.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Skotia was a powerful Darth, but that's all.

No, I'm mocking your argument by suggesting that you tend to place any character in TOR above anyone in any other era. Skotia is a mid-level Sith, not even close to Dooku. In terms of feats the only thing he's done is kill some trandosian with TK and lose to Nox.
I do not tend to place any TOR era character above anyone in any other era, don't be ridiculous.

By your logic, Count Dooku is mid-level strong since he doesn't stacks up to Darth Sidious. Darth Skotia isn't a mid-level Sith, he is very powerful and is feared within the Empire by even popular Lords. Of-course, Darth Skotia have superiors but he isn't a mid-level Sith.

Those Trandosians were body guards of Darth Skotia, not some weaklings.

Darth Nox took down the entire powerbase of Darth Skotia before confronting him, he was already powerful by mythos standards at this point but not strong enough to contend with Darth Skotia in a fair contest.

At Zash's bidding, the inquisitor sabotages and ultimately destroys the cyborg Darth Skotia, thus paving way for the Zash to take his place and become a Darth. (TOR Encyclopedia)

Sabotaging represents use of a disruptor weapon which significantly weakened Darth Skotia before he could be taken down.

Thank God for Babading. I'll be PMing him right now to rid us of this little troll infestation before it spreads.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Getting emotional now?

Are you an authority when it comes to Star Wars? Don't try to act like one.

I presented an argument. If you do not agree with it, you should provide a reasonable counter-argument.

Of course not. I'm just telling you to cut the hypocrisy.

I consider myself an authority on the subject, yes. At least, when I make statements about a characters level of power, I do so prepared to back up my statements with facts and reasoning when called on it. Like I did to justify my belief that Zash isn't a particularly powerful Sith.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth title does not implies great power on its own, it is earned with great accomplishments typically, at-least in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire. Darth Nox wasn't crowned as a Darth until he defeated Darth Thanaton which was an extreme level of challenge for earning the title of Darth to be honest.

Darth Nox was already a powerful Force-user by mythos standards during the time of his apprenticeship to Lord Zash, verified in TOR Encyclopedia.

In addition, you get to decide how strong an opponent is on the basis of at which point the confrontation took place? Don't be ridiculous.

ANALOGY: Bengel Morr (fallen) was a big threat to the Jedi Order but was taken down in the first planet, he utterly dominated the powerful Jedi Master Orgus Din in a battle but could not handle Hero of Tython. In-fact, Hero of Tython is labeled as such for his performances in Tython.

More importantly, Darth Skotia wasn't taken out in a fair contest.

Nox wasn't crowned a Darth because she'd only been a Sith for a few years. All the TOR protagonists are massive exceptions to the normal rules since they become powerhouses many times faster than most other Jedi and Sith. Nox was definitely a Darth in terms of combat ability by the end of Act 1, considering she beat Zash. It just takes more than power and combat prowess to become a Darth. That Skotia was a Darth isn't that impressive. That only makes him a powerful Sith Lord, big deal. Someone like Dooku could walk through Sith Lords, just look at how he treated a Jedi Master in the latest PT comic.

And so is Ahsoka Tano, you gonna say she's Dooku level as well. Where is it verified Nox was already a powerful Force user at that point? I don't see it in the book. At least not by the time Nox fought Skotia. Besides, power is relative. As I stated in the other thread, you're powerful merely if you become a Sith Lord. Nox being powerful doesn't put her anywhere near Dooku.

How is that ridiculous? Nox fought Skotia when she was inexperienced, of course he isn't as good as the challenges she faced later on.

You can't compare Nox to the Hero of Tython. The Hero was an incredible prodigy with massive power. Nox was good, but without the spirits the HoT is completely out of her league. By the time Nox fought Skotia she really was not that great in the grand scheme of things.

Who cares if he was taken out in a fair contest. That doesn't make him Dooku level. Jesus.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I do not tend to place any TOR era character above anyone in any other era, don't be ridiculous.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh wait, you're serious? Legend, you absolutely do that. All the time. It's basically your defining characteristic.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
By your logic, Count Dooku is mid-level strong since he doesn't stacks up to Darth Sidious. Darth Skotia isn't a mid-level Sith, he is very powerful and is feared within the Empire by even popular Lords. Of-course, Darth Skotia have superiors but he isn't a mid-level Sith.

Those Trandosians were body guards of Darth Skotia, not some weaklings.

Darth Nox took down the entire powerbase of Darth Skotia before confronting him, he was already powerful by mythos standards at this point but not strong enough to contend with Darth Skotia in a fair contest.

At Zash's bidding, the inquisitor sabotages and ultimately destroys the cyborg Darth Skotia, thus paving way for the Zash to take his place and become a Darth. (TOR Encyclopedia)

Sabotaging represents use of a disruptor weapon which significantly weakened Darth Skotia before he could be taken down.

Skotia wasn't on the Dark Council, he was just one of the thousands of Darths in the Empire. Don't act as if he was some powerhouse, he wasn't.

Killing non-force sensitives with the Force is hardly impressive no matter whose henchmen they are.

Nox beating some Trandosians and Skotia's military forces hardly proves she was particularly powerful. Merely adequate. That she needed help against him despite already having Khem only indicates her mediocrity at this point in the story.

You don't need to post quotes detailing the story, Legend, I've played it. I know Nox weakened him and how.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You've gone insane, Legend.
You are just as bad concerning Darth Malak in the opposite direction, bae.

Nothing can be as bad as this. Only carthage is this crazy in his beliefs.

My placement of Malak is practically the same as yours btw.

Eh, Vos>Bane is up there too. So is Jango Fett>Revan.

Your placement is out of an unknown hatred for him.
You even admitted you don't care for him and merely skimmed my threads of him.

Plot Twist: Ant and Neph break up because of Malak.

Yeah, Carthage is ****ing nuts.

It's out of a basic analysis of his feats, accolades and implied power level.

That's only because your threads are really ****ing long and I couldn't be bothered reading all that blabber. It was laziness, not hatred.

So if you guys have a fight... who sleeps on the couch?

No, you ignore direct statements from Drew, pretend the quote saying he is among the most powerful doesn't exist, and try to lowball his impressive performances against Revan every time you can.

He can't defeat Bill Nye though according to you.

Because I don't give a shit about Drews opinions and don't see those statements as canon, that quote has been argued as invalid by others, not just me and for a reason and I lowball them down to the same level you put him at so who cares.

Only Marka Ragnos can, obviously.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because I don't give a shit about Drews opinions and don't see those statements as canon, that quote has been argued as invalid by others not just me and I lowball them down to the same level you put him at so who cares.
On my phone so can't say much, but that was pretty funny. Though, lets get back to the topic at hand. Very interesting fight: power vs skill.

I'm not seeing how Dooku can really apply his skill here without Nox straight up walking through his attacks and overwhelming him.

Dooku has overcame raw powerhouses like Savage Opress, though the Zabrak is obviously not on even Darth Nox's level merely as Lord Kallig (mid-game; level 39). It should be closer then you are implying, but I'll go with Nox. Her lightning is beastly.

He is not.

In-fact, I would argue that Darth Skotia could be on par with Count Dooku, if not better. Darth Skotia was so powerful that Lord Zash thought that her apprentice may not be able to defeat her in a fair battle and she did not took chances either. Darth Skotia's cybernetics had to be compromised before he could be taken down. Please keep in mind that Darth Nox wasn't a mook when he confronted Darth Skotia, he was already realized as the most powerful Sith Lord to have emerged in a span of generations and was the 2nd individual to impress Khem Val after Tulak Hord in a span of thousands of years.

No. No to all of this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but only the Jedi are called the greatest right off the starter world, and only the Warrior being praised, with the entire Inquisitor storyline until Act II being about being put into your place. The idea of a slave fresh out of the pins being the most powerful Sith Lord seen in generations without even being Lord is never said at any point. Khem isn't impressed with Nox at all by this point and stresses how weak you really are. Finally, Nox is the underdog of in the Sith Order at this point, not the hallmark. I'd argue no one actually thinks Nox is greatly powerful until they overwhelm Thanaton at the end of Act II.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This battle is unlikely to get in to lightsaber dueling. Darth Nox packs too much power if we are considering his peak augmented incarnation, don't you get it?

When Darth Thanaton intended to use his lightsaber in the 3rd duel, Darth Nox simply prevented the former from doing so which is virtually impossible otherwise since Darth Thanaton is one of the strongest mortals to have emerged in the mythos, Darth Nox was augmented to such a degree.


As I've said earlier, Dooku is too capable in the force to be dominated like that. His disadvantage would be the lack of knowledge of the ancient sith techniques but he would definitely defend his way to a melee combat.



You are heavily underrating Dooku here.

I keep experiencing a culture shock in this forum. Legend claims that Skotia is Dooku's equal and then Carthage thinks Dooku can defeat Vitiate.



Again, same could be said for Nox.



Dread Masters are more powerful in total and they can perform extremely devastating attacks together where Dark Council members are weaker and aren't a real team. The DM wins for sure. Still though, I think Darth Jadus has the potential to be more powerful than a dread master and Malgus could give a good fight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course not. I'm just telling you to cut the hypocrisy.

I consider myself an authority on the subject, yes. At least, when I make statements about a characters level of power, I do so prepared to back up my statements with facts and reasoning when called on it. Like I did to justify my belief that Zash isn't a particularly powerful Sith.
If we start regarding ourselves as authority then who needs actual authority on Star Wars to give us directions and information that we depend upon?

I made an informed assessment, I cannot verify it at official capacity but it have some basis. The real problem with Star Wars is that we have lot of unanswered questions and this is why debates occur. Some ground realities of the lore are solidly apparent even without official verification such as Emperor Vitiate > Count Dooku but not every aspect of the lore is crystal clear to us and therefore leaves room for debate.

I find this disclosure interesting:

The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable.

The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view. (Christopher Cerasi)

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nox wasn't crowned a Darth because she'd only been a Sith for a few years. All the TOR protagonists are massive exceptions to the normal rules since they become powerhouses many times faster than most other Jedi and Sith. Nox was definitely a Darth in terms of combat ability by the end of Act 1, considering she beat Zash. It just takes more than power and combat prowess to become a Darth. That Skotia was a Darth isn't that impressive. That only makes him a powerful Sith Lord, big deal. Someone like Dooku could walk through Sith Lords, just look at how he treated a Jedi Master in the latest PT comic.
First of all, it was not easy to even graduate in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire, standards were ridiculously high in this Empire for becoming a Sith Lord, underlings mostly perished.

Secondly, I am not impressed by Darth Skotia on the basis of his recognition as a Darth but because of the fact that even the most promising graduate in a span of generations could not handle him in a fair contest, a graduate who has impressed Khem Val earlier, a being who was impressed by only Tulak Hord in history before, noted that Khem Val did not meet everybody but still Tulak Hord is among the biggest fish in the pond (mythos). Darth Skotia had augmented his power with state-of-the-art cybernetics and they had to be compromised before he could be taken out and he was noted for his power even by prominent Sith of his era which I may add are one of the most impressive to have ever existed in history, this is the crucial observation.

It is safe to assume that Darth Skotia is among the extraordinary at holistic level, thanks to his unnatural power progression but valid part of the equation defining his strength. Of-course, even he is outclassed at the APEX of the Empire but this is indication of extreme standards of Sith in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire in general. Sith arguably approached their peak in every aspect of Sith ideals within the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire, standards for becoming Lords and Darths also became ridiculously high accordingly.

You also asserted that Lord Zash isn't impressive? Well, here is a revelation for you:-

The bright, energetic, and disarmingly friendly Lord Zash is a devoted Sith and master of the dark arts. (TOR Encyclopedia)

Originally posted by Nephthys
And so is Ahsoka Tano, you gonna say she's Dooku level as well. Where is it verified Nox was already a powerful Force user at that point? I don't see it in the book. At least not by the time Nox fought Skotia. Besides, power is relative. As I stated in the other thread, you're powerful merely if you become a Sith Lord. Nox being powerful doesn't put her anywhere near Dooku.
Did I assert that Ahsoka Tano is on par with Count Dooku? I am not ignorant of the well-known ground realities of the lore.

Years later, Darth Thanaton is on the verge of securing his seat on the Dark Council. But his plans are momentarily disrupted when his underling, Darth Skotia, is killed by the upstart Sith Lord Zash and her powerful new apprentice. (TOR Encyclopedia)

I suppose you haven't read TOR Encyclopedia properly. Do me a favor; read TOR Encyclopedia properly instead of boasting about your possession of it.

Power is relative but context is important to consider. A Sith Lord of lets say Legacy era may not be regarded as powerful in the reconstructed ancient Sith Empire or even be successful in it, if planted there. Reason is that reconstituted ancient Sith Empire had ridiculously high standards for Lords and Darths and enormous competition in which even prominent Sith could fall. This is why every Lord and Darth was a big thing and an imposing figure in the Empire for the lesser individuals.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How is that ridiculous? Nox fought Skotia when she was inexperienced, of course he isn't as good as the challenges she faced later on.
Now you are being ridiculous.

Darth Nox wasn't inexperienced when he confronted Darth Skotia, he had proven his credibility in the deadly Sith trails, an official method for becoming a Lord in the Empire, and had reasonable combat experience under his belt before confronting Darth Skotia, had to fight many individuals before confronting Darth Skotia.

Lord Zash was not an idiot, she wouldn't have sent her apprentice to fight Darth Skotia if she had no hope of success.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You can't compare Nox to the Hero of Tython. The Hero was an incredible prodigy with massive power. Nox was good, but without the spirits the HoT is completely out of her league. By the time Nox fought Skotia she really was not that great in the grand scheme of things.
I agree with Hero of Tython part but Darth Nox wasn't a nobody a the time of his confrontation with Darth Skotia. He had already rolled heads on the basis of his performance in the deadly Sith trials and gained attention of prominent Sith of the Empire.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Who cares if he was taken out in a fair contest. That doesn't make him Dooku level. Jesus.
Darth Skotia was (not) taken out in a fair contest. My reasoning is adequately covered above.

Originally posted by Nephthys
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh wait, you're serious? Legend, you absolutely do that. All the time. It's basically your defining characteristic.
This is so wrong.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Skotia wasn't on the Dark Council, he was just one of the thousands of Darths in the Empire. Don't act as if he was some powerhouse, he wasn't.
Just one of the Darths in the Empire? Is this is why Lord Zash did not challenge him?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Killing non-force sensitives with the Force is hardly impressive no matter whose henchmen they are.

Nox beating some Trandosians and Skotia's military forces hardly proves she was particularly powerful. Merely adequate. That she needed help against him despite already having Khem only indicates her mediocrity at this point in the story.

You don't need to post quotes detailing the story, Legend, I've played it. I know Nox weakened him and how.
Nice try but your propaganda didn't work. I have TOR Encyclopedia at my disposal to figure out ground realities of TOR era content.

Yes, you played the story, but this doesn't solves the issue at hand. Issue is with your mindset and lack of focus on important details.

When it suits you, you try to hype Darth Nox or any character in extreme fashion and provide details that you won't otherwise, when it does not, you try to lowball them in worst possible fashion and skip details that may weaken your position.

Do me a favor, at-least be consistent in your position.

Sometimes I read your posts and feel the overwhelming urge to curl up into a little ball and weep. You make me so, so exasperated at times, Legend.

That made me laugh.

Originally posted by Sinious
As I've said earlier, Dooku is too capable in the force to be dominated like that. His disadvantage would be the lack of knowledge of the ancient sith techniques but he would definitely defend his way to a melee combat.
You are not making sense here.

Are you trying to imply that Darth Thanaton was lacking in strength?

With Darth Zash subdued, the Sith Inquisitor inherits her power base and becomes a Sith Lord. But the inquisitor nearly loses everything after being caught in a trap devised by Darth Thanaton, a supremely powerful Sith and harsh traditionalist who bristles at the idea of a former slave rising to sudden influence. To combat Thanaton's insurmountable strength, the inquisitor learns the ritual of Force-walking and gains power by consuming the energy of Darth Andru, a seething Force spirit locked away on Dromund Kaas. Fueled by the ghost's power, the inquisitor confronts Thanaton - only to be nearly eradicated by the superior Sith's dark sorcery. (TOR Encyclopedia)

This is the situation:-

Darth Nox (powerful by mythos standards) < Darth Skotia < Darth Thanaton (supremely powerful by mythos standards) < Darth Nox (augmented by combined might of several Force ghosts and ancient Rakatan technology)

Force ghost is a powerful manifestation of energy in its own right, a lone ghost can be extremely dangerous to mortals. Some Force ghosts mortally wounded even Darth Sidious on Korriban. Try to comprehend.

Darth Nox dominated/defeated Darth Thanaton with incredible power of Force ghosts and sorcery, it wasn't even a contest otherwise.

Also, if this is telling, Darth Sidious easily Force-choked Count Dooku from lightyears distance at one point to discipline him and remind of his fallibility. I am not sure if Count Dooku was ready for combat at this point but it is an event and demonstration of noticeable power gap between these two characters.

Originally posted by Sinious
You are heavily underrating Dooku here.
I am not.

I understand that Count Dooku is famous and have notable feats but this doesn't implies that he will be able to challenge every Force-user of the mythos.

Originally posted by Sinious
I keep experiencing a culture shock in this forum. Legend claims that Skotia is Dooku's equal and then Carthage thinks Dooku can defeat Vitiate.
Check my last response to fellow member Nephthys on previous page. I don't like repeating myself again and again.

If I have stated something or presented an argument, it have basis. I don't give weightage to pure speculation, not my mindset.

Fact is that you cannot properly reconcile ground realities of TOR era content with that of PT/OT/Legacy era content, and you may have felt like this at-least once. As an analogy, if you have played Jedi Knight SWTOR story, you will find it difficult to accept that Hero of Tython is below Yoda, might even regard Hero of Tython as a match for Luke Skywalker. I understand that it is controversial to debate in favor of TOR era content but I am a realist and not a strict traditionalist. Many people tend to have inflated perceptions about PT/OT/Legacy era characters but they are not necessarily correct.

Ground realities of Star Wars are ever-changing. For example:-

Discovered as a slave on Tatooine by Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker had the potential to become one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and was believed by some to be the prophesied Chosen One who would bring balance to the Force. A hero of the Clone Wars, Anakin was caring and compassionate, but also had a fear of loss that would prove to be his downfall. (Star Wars official databank)

This is retcon of an older ground reality of the lore under Disney and it is a positive one. A mortal shouldn't logically have the potential to become most powerful Force-user of the mythos.

Originally posted by Sinious
Again, same could be said for Nox.
No

Originally posted by Sinious
Dread Masters are more powerful in total and they can perform extremely devastating attacks together where Dark Council members are weaker and aren't a real team. The DM wins for sure. Still though, I think Darth Jadus has the potential to be more powerful than a dread master and Malgus could give a good fight.
Good points.

Not sure about Darth Jadus's potential but he is possibly the strongest mortal of the Empire.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If we start regarding ourselves as authority then who needs actual authority on Star Wars to give us directions and information that we depend upon?

I made an informed assessment, I cannot verify it at official capacity but it have some basis. The real problem with Star Wars is that we have lot of unanswered questions and this is why debates occur. Some ground realities of the lore are solidly apparent even without official verification such as Emperor Vitiate > Count Dooku but not every aspect of the lore is crystal clear to us and therefore leaves room for debate.

Those sources merely inform our opinions. Like you say, informed assessments. There's nothing wrong with that. I consider myself an authority in that I can make informed statements about the subject with evidence backing up assertions up.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
First of all, it was not easy to even graduate in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire, standards were ridiculously high in this Empire for becoming a Sith Lord, underlings mostly perished.

More era bias from you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Secondly, I am not impressed by Darth Skotia on the basis of his recognition as a Darth but because of the fact that even the most promising graduate in a span of generations could not handle him in a fair contest, a graduate who has impressed Khem Val earlier, a being who was impressed by only Tulak Hord in history before, noted that Khem Val did not meet everybody but still Tulak Hord is among the biggest fish in the pond (mythos). Darth Skotia had augmented his power with state-of-the-art cybernetics and they had to be compromised before he could be taken out and he was noted for his power even by prominent Sith of his era which I may add are one of the most impressive to have ever existed in history, this is the crucial observation.

Firstly, who says Nox and Khem couldn't have beaten him without weakening him? That they did doesn't mean they had to. Heck, I can't even recall if you actually have to use the device on him. So Nox might have just beaten him without it.

None of that adds up to Dooku level. Again I state, you've gone completely insane with this one.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is safe to assume that Darth Skotia is among the extraordinary at holistic level, thanks to his unnatural power progression but valid part of the equation defining his strength.

Lmao. Being a cyborg hinders your ability to draw on the Force, not enhance it. Look at Vader.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Of-course, even he is outclassed at the APEX of the Empire but this is indication of extreme standards of Sith in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire in general. Sith arguably approached their peak in every aspect of Sith ideals within the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire, standards for becoming Lords and Darths also became ridiculously high accordingly.

TOR wank.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You also asserted that Lord Zash isn't impressive? Well, here is a revelation for you:-

The bright, energetic, and disarmingly friendly Lord Zash is a devoted Sith and master of the dark arts. (TOR Encyclopedia)

My left nut is a master of the dark arts. All Sith Lords are. Just like all Jedi Masters are masters of the Force. That's why they're called Jedi Masters.


Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did I assert that Ahsoka Tano is on par with Count Dooku? I am not ignorant of the well-known ground realities of the lore.



Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Years later, Darth Thanaton is on the verge of securing his seat on the Dark Council. But his plans are momentarily disrupted when his underling, Darth Skotia, is killed by the upstart Sith Lord Zash and her powerful new apprentice. (TOR Encyclopedia)

I suppose you haven't read TOR Encyclopedia properly. Do me a favor; read TOR Encyclopedia properly instead of boasting about your possession of it.

Oh suck my dick Legend. Your condescension is making me seriously consider just stopping talking to you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Power is relative but context is important to consider. A Sith Lord of lets say Legacy era may not be regarded as powerful in the reconstructed ancient Sith Empire or even be successful in it, if planted there. Reason is that reconstituted ancient Sith Empire had ridiculously high standards for Lords and Darths and enormous competition in which even prominent Sith could fall. This is why every Lord and Darth was a big thing and an imposing figure in the Empire for the lesser individuals.

More ridiculous era bias.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Now you are being ridiculous.

Darth Nox wasn't inexperienced when he confronted Darth Skotia, he had proven his credibility in the deadly Sith trails, an official method for becoming a Lord in the Empire, and had reasonable combat experience under his belt before confronting Darth Skotia, had to fight many individuals before confronting Darth Skotia.

Lord Zash was not an idiot, she wouldn't have sent her apprentice to fight Darth Skotia if she had no hope of success.

Nox was inexperienced in that she'd just started learning to use the Force a few weeks or months before her fight with Skotia.

You're being ridiculous if you think she wasn't inexperienced.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I agree with Hero of Tython part but Darth Nox wasn't a nobody a the time of his confrontation with Darth Skotia. He had already rolled heads on the basis of his performance in the deadly Sith trials and gained attention of prominent Sith of the Empire.

Nox basically was a nobody at this point. That's also why Zash had her kill Skotia, no one believed a nobody apprentice could haven beaten him. This literally happens if you try telling people you did it. There goes your "Nox was the most powerful Sith Lord at the time" bs.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Skotia was (not) taken out in a fair contest. My reasoning is adequately covered above.

Who cares, its not as if anyone would need to weaken him to beat him. That he was probably weakened doesn't make him Dooku level, that's utterly hilarity.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is so wrong.

The fact that you are the biggest fanboy on the entire forum, is simply an immutable fact that I am stating for the record.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Just one of the Darths in the Empire? Is this is why Lord Zash did not challenge him?

No, the reason Lord Zash didn't challenge Darth Skotia is because Lord Zash was a Lord and Darth Skotia was a Darth. Zash couldn't beat him because she wasn't a Darth level combatant.

Also because she wasn't allowed to kill him. She had to get Nox to do it while she established an alibi for herself. Thanaton would have killed her outright if she had openly killed Skotia. If you'd played the Inquisitor campaign you'd know this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nice try but your propaganda didn't work. I have TOR Encyclopedia at my disposal to figure out ground realities of TOR era content.

Yes, you played the story, but this doesn't solves the issue at hand. Issue is with your mindset and lack of focus on important details.

When it suits you, you try to hype Darth Nox or any character in extreme fashion and provide details that you won't otherwise, when it does not, you try to lowball them in worst possible fashion and skip details that may weaken your position.

Do me a favor, at-least be consistent in your position.

A second hand source can only get you so far, Legend. Without any experience with the actual content, your assessments are going to be inaccurate. Which they are.

The issue is actually your absurd TOR bias and willingness to wank anyone from that era to insane levels. Skotia being on Dooku level is one if the most ridiculously awful arguments you've ever made.

Yeah, I hype Darth Nox. Not the apprentice Inquisitor who has only just gotten off of Korriban. Nox by the end of the campaign is perhaps in the top 10 most powerful Sith ever. Nox even by the end of Act I is a powerful Sith Lord, that's all. Before Act I has even started, Nox isn't even that. She is a prodigy and is powerful, but is still developing her power at this point and is still basically a padawan. This is literally months or maybe even weeks since Nox was a slave with no training in the Force. You yourself argued that that amount of time wouldn't allow for much development.

So how about you try being consistent.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are not making sense here.

Are you trying to imply that Darth Thanaton was lacking in strength?

With Darth Zash subdued, the Sith Inquisitor inherits her power base and becomes a Sith Lord. But the inquisitor nearly loses everything after being caught in a trap devised by Darth Thanaton, a supremely powerful Sith and harsh traditionalist who bristles at the idea of a former slave rising to sudden influence. To combat Thanaton's insurmountable strength, the inquisitor learns the ritual of Force-walking and gains power by consuming the energy of Darth Andru, a seething Force spirit locked away on Dromund Kaas. Fueled by the ghost's power, the inquisitor confronts Thanaton - only to be nearly eradicated by the superior Sith's dark sorcery. (TOR Encyclopedia)

This is the situation:-

Darth Nox (powerful by mythos standards) < Darth Skotia < Darth Thanaton (supremely powerful by mythos standards) < Darth Nox (augmented by combined might of several Force ghosts and ancient Rakatan technology)

Force ghost is a powerful manifestation of energy in its own right, a lone ghost can be extremely dangerous to mortals. Some Force ghosts mortally wounded even Darth Sidious on Korriban. Try to comprehend.

Darth Nox dominated/defeated Darth Thanaton with incredible power of Force ghosts and sorcery, it wasn't even a contest otherwise.

Also, if this is telling, Darth Sidious easily Force-choked Count Dooku from lightyears distance at one point to discipline him and remind of his fallibility. I am not sure if Count Dooku was ready for combat at this point but it is an event and demonstration of noticeable power gap between these two characters.


No Darth Thanaton is strong, you made sure everyone acknowledges that. By the way, I intact did say Dooku would get this fight before but I honestly think it could go either way and after rethinking about Nox's peak power, Im leaning towards him. This doesn't change the fact that Dooku can hold himself and would give a good fight and if he concentrates to that, he can manage his way to a melee combat.




I never said that. Nox isnt that far above though. Even in his own era, there are plenty of sith that could defeat him.



You have speculated greatly when you were comparing the feats of the Ones to others.



I agree on this. It is hard to compare different eras within SW. This is why I think Dooku has a chance. The movies and the cartoon isnt doing any favors to the characters in them.




I simply think its safe to give a chance to his story. We know so little of him for now and based on what he has shown so far, I think he might be capable of insanely devastating force skills in the future, should there be any additional storylines.

pfft me and khem almost beat Skotia without the anti-cyborg weapon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those sources merely inform our opinions. Like you say, informed assessments. There's nothing wrong with that. I consider myself an authority in that I can make informed statements about the subject with evidence backing up assertions up.
I always value informed assessments, nothing wrong with this. However, to make informed assessments, you need to focus on available information properly and not make stuff up or use excuses to serve your agenda.

Originally posted by Nephthys
More era bias from you.
You have the sources at your disposal, why don't you pay attention to them?

Regardless of potential, few acolytes succeed in facing the rigorous trials to become Sith Inquisitors.

Source: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/sith-inquisitor

Every Force-sensitive being in the Empire must endure the harsh, unrelenting trails that have shaped the Sith for millennia. Some are groomed for the privilege from the moment they display Force sensitivity. Others fear the trials and hide their talent, only to be forced to face the tests. But regardless of their background, most acolytes die utter failures, their weakness exposed by the crushing demands of the Sith Academy on Korriban. Whether broken by their overseer's instruction, struck down by their fellow acolytes, or devoured by the beasts of Korriban, many acolytes perish during their training. Others use the trials to hone their strength and deepen their understanding of the dark side, But ultimately, only the most fearsome, mighty, and cunning acolytes rise to prove their worth and become Sith.

Source: TOR Encyclopedia

&

Few complete the deadly Sith trials. To attain the rank of Sith, acolytes must become the apprentice of a Sith Lord and offer their lives to their new Master's bidding. Sith Lords seeking an apprentice closely watch the new crop of acolytes. They are quick to claim the most powerful of students, while some Sith Lords intervene in an acolyte's training to groom the perfect servant.

Finally, after conquering the trials and being taken as an apprentice, the acolyte becomes a Sith - the most powerful, respected, and feared beings in all of the Empire.

Source: TOR Encyclopedia

Era bias? My foot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Firstly, who says Nox and Khem couldn't have beaten him without weakening him? That they did doesn't mean they had to. Heck, I can't even recall if you actually have to use the device on him. So Nox might have just beaten him without it.
Nice attempt at discrediting official story related ground reality.

It is confirmed in TOR Encyclopedia that Darth Skotia's cybernetics had to be sabotaged before he could taken out.

Originally posted by Nephthys
None of that adds up to Dooku level. Again I state, you've gone completely insane with this one.
Darth Nox was already a powerful Sith when he confronted Darth Skotia. Yet, Darth Skotia was powerful enough to defeat another powerful Sith and was taken down through unfair means.

If Count Dooku is on Darth Skotia level, it doesn't takes away from his repute, power and skills. Maybe, Count Dooku is relatively superior duelist but my focus is on power only. You believe that Count Dooku is powerful enough to defeat another powerful Sith? Well, Darth Skotia have comparable hype in this context.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao. Being a cyborg hinders your ability to draw on the Force, not enhance it. Look at Vader.
Depends upon nature of cybernetics and physical condition of the individual. Remember Lord Sadic? He augmented his power and combat prowess with cybernetics.

Vader's situation is different, he was mortally wounded during his combat with Obi-Wan and his survival depended upon cybernetics.

Originally posted by Nephthys
TOR wank.
No.

Reconstituted ancient

Originally posted by Nephthys
My left nut is a master of the dark arts. All Sith Lords are. Just like all Jedi Masters are masters of the Force. That's why they're called Jedi Masters.
A swift kick to it would knock you back to your senses (Jokishly, no pun intended).

This is a generalization, few Jedi and Sith become absolute masters of the Force. TOR Encyclopedia also recognizes few Jedi and Sith as absolute masters of the Force.

The Jedi (Master) label does not implies absolute mastery of the Force, it is simply an identity of a Jedi Knight who officially trains other Jedi in the ways of the Force. A Force-user becomes fully trained in the ways of the Jedi at Knighthood. After this, a Jedi Knight can take an apprentice and train him/her in the ways of the Jedi, likely earning the title of Jedi Master.

Originally posted by Nephthys

You should roll your eyes at your own naivety.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh suck my dick Legend. Your condescension is making me seriously consider just stopping talking to you.
Thanks for the offer but I don't give blowjobs and am not gay.

I proved that Darth Nox was a powerful Sith during his days of apprenticeship to Lord Zash and this is your reaction? I accept your concession.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No.

Reconstituted ancient
Sorry, didn't complete this statement.

Reconstituted ancient Sith surpassed earlier Sith in all aspects, they began to improve even during the days of trying to search a suitable place to restart the Empire.

For 20 years, the exiled Sith fleet drifted through deep space. The Sith healed their wounds and reflected on their defeat. Imperial battle strategies were dissected, internal Strife was identified as a key weakness, and the Republic's surprise and slow move to defend itself was seen as a vulnerability ripe for exploit.

Meanwhile, the Sith dedicated themselves to training. They delved deep into the dark side of the Force, mastered new powers, and honed their minds and bodies into efficient weapons. Then, after nearly too decades of planning and training, they discovered the world of Dromund Kaas.

Source: TOR Encyclopedia

When the Empire was established, rigorous training system was introduced to ensure rise of quality Sith among the future generations. Associated information already provided.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I always value informed assessments, nothing wrong with this. However, to make informed assessments, you need to focus on available information properly and not make stuff up or use excuses to serve your agenda.

A rather ironic statement for you. You're whole debating style is taking out-of-context quotes and feats and rating them wildly out of proportion to buff up your favorite era. I have no agenda here, Legend. I argue in favor of TOR content in the majority of my posts. And even I'm appalled by your argument here. Darth Skotia as powerful as one of the greatest Sith to ever live? Excuse me while I shudder. This should be a reality check for you. I'm your biggest supporter usually and I'm the one most offended by your wank.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have the sources at your disposal, why don't you pay attention to them?

Regardless of potential, few acolytes succeed in facing the rigorous trials to become Sith Inquisitors.

Source: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/sith-inquisitor

Every Force-sensitive being in the Empire must endure the harsh, unrelenting trails that have shaped the Sith for millennia. Some are groomed for the privilege from the moment they display Force sensitivity. Others fear the trials and hide their talent, only to be forced to face the tests. But regardless of their background, most acolytes die utter failures, their weakness exposed by the crushing demands of the Sith Academy on Korriban. Whether broken by their overseer's instruction, struck down by their fellow acolytes, or devoured by the beasts of Korriban, many acolytes perish during their training. Others use the trials to hone their strength and deepen their understanding of the dark side, But ultimately, only the most fearsome, mighty, and cunning acolytes rise to prove their worth and become Sith.

Source: TOR Encyclopedia

&

Few complete the deadly Sith trials. To attain the rank of Sith, acolytes must become the apprentice of a Sith Lord and offer their lives to their new Master's bidding. Sith Lords seeking an apprentice closely watch the new crop of acolytes. They are quick to claim the most powerful of students, while some Sith Lords intervene in an acolyte's training to groom the perfect servant.

Finally, after conquering the trials and being taken as an apprentice, the acolyte becomes a Sith - the most powerful, respected, and feared beings in all of the Empire.

Source: TOR Encyclopedia

Era bias? My foot.

Yes, era bias. It's tough to become a Sith in any era. Just because it was more intensive in the TOR era means little, it doesn't magic up a bunch of individuals with greater Force potential than there exists in other eras. The most powerful TOR acolytes would have become Sith in any other era regardless of the strictness of the training. Also the harshness means many who could have been good Sith died in the unfair conditions and their potential was wasted.

And besides, even if the standard Sith are superior, that doesn't mean a rank and file Sith like Skotia, who has millions as powerful as himself existing in TOR, would be on the level of Dooku, who is in the top 5 of his era and one of the most powerful Sith ever. That's ridiculous.

Now tell me how the ground realities of the TOR era were sooo different from that of the PT and we can't compare blah blah blah.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nice attempt at discrediting official story related ground reality.

It is confirmed in TOR Encyclopedia that Darth Skotia's cybernetics had to be sabotaged before he could taken out.

It seems my point stands. Nox did sabotage Skotia, but theres no evidence that Nox required to do that to beat him or couldn't have done so without weakening him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Nox was already a powerful Sith when he confronted Darth Skotia. Yet, Darth Skotia was powerful enough to defeat another powerful Sith and was taken down through unfair means.

If Count Dooku is on Darth Skotia level, it doesn't takes away from his repute, power and skills. Maybe, Count Dooku is relatively superior duelist but my focus is on power only. You believe that Count Dooku is powerful enough to defeat another powerful Sith? Well, Darth Skotia have comparable hype in this context.

Who cares if Skotia could beat a powerful apprentice, which hasn't been established btw. I've already proven in the other thread that you're using the term powerful in an incorrect manner and that it can be applied to many, many individuals who are not even as powerful as a standard Jedi Knight.

I does take away from his repute, because one of the premier Force users from the PT era, who is one of the strongest Sith in any era, would be a mid-level Darth nobody in the TOR era. Which is obviously what you're trying to establish. Dooku is so far above Skotia he could likely ragdoll him in under a second. Dooku has incredibly powerful TK feats and this would be well within his capabilities.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Depends upon nature of cybernetics and physical condition of the individual. Remember Lord Sadic? He augmented his power and combat prowess with cybernetics.

Vader's situation is different, he was mortally wounded during his combat with Obi-Wan and his survival depended upon cybernetics.

Yeah, and Skotia was also highly dependent upon his implants. That's why Nox disabling them weakened him so much, remember? He was more machine than man.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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That's nice. I don't care. A standard Darth like Skotia couldn't beat Count Dooku even if he was blind, weakened and half-asleep. Dooku defeated 3 powerful individuals in such a condition, his skills is that good.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A swift kick to it would knock you back to your senses (Jokishly, no pun intended).

This is a generalization, few Jedi and Sith become absolute masters of the Force. TOR Encyclopedia also recognizes few Jedi and Sith as absolute masters of the Force.

The Jedi (Master) label does not implies absolute mastery of the Force, it is simply an identity of a Jedi Knight who officially trains other Jedi in the ways of the Force. A Force-user becomes fully trained in the ways of the Jedi at Knighthood. After this, a Jedi Knight can take an apprentice and train him/her in the ways of the Jedi, likely earning the title of Jedi Master.

You yourself posted a quote stating that an Inquisitor is a master of the dark side. There are millions of Inquisitor's in the Empire, Legend and they're outranked by Sith Lords and Jedi Masters. Consular's are also stated to be "masters of the Force" and the Jedi Order is rife with them. And they're not all Jedi Masters. Jedi Masters represent a higher level even than a standard Consular.

So all you've established is that Zash is as good as any regular Jedi and Sith who focuses on the Force.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You should roll your eyes at your own naivety.

I'm rolling my eyes at your inability to grasp what an example is. I never said you stated Ahsoka was on Dooku level, I was making a point about how she's referred to as powerful yet is clearly well below a notable Jedi or Sith.

Originally posted by Nephthys
one of the greatest Sith Overseers in history

Wat?

Tremel is stated to be one of the most celebrated Overseers in the history of the academy in the encyclopedia. You should totes buy it if you want to understand the ground realities about him in terms of mythos standards.

I mean, he's no Kas'im. But he's still really damn good.

Ground realities ermm

It's Legend's new favorite phrase to lecture us about how we don't understand things.

(unless you don't still have him on ignore and already know this)

I don't and I do.

Can't you believe this shit? Skotia is some random Darth Douchebag and he's Dooku level? Wtf?

Your heathen ilk at work, my son.

That being said, Nox's learning curve is insane.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Your heathen ilk at work, my son.

I bare no responsibility in this. When I wank a TOR character, it's because they've done more than throw someone into a wall and die.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That being said, Nox's learning curve is insane.

True enough. Shortly after arriving on Korriban she's forced to kill a room of fellow acolytes advanced enough to conjure lightning. Her natural talent is fearsome indeed. But Legend, as always, just has to take it too far.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's Legend's new favorite phrase to lecture us about how we don't understand things.

(unless you don't still have him on ignore and already know this)
Yeah apparently if you disagree with LeGenD, you fail to understand the "ground reality."

Originally posted by Nephthys
You should totes buy it if you want to understand the ground realities about him in terms of mythos standards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's the smartest idea you've had all thread.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Lmao! Nox gained Zash's attention by shooting lightning at a rock. She completed a task no-one else had in centuries because no-one else was dumb enough to get frustrated and blast a priceless artifact with lightning.

I thought it was some BS about only certain Sith bloodlines could open it. I mean if you shot Lightning at a rock and it didn't open, would you admit it?

Dooku wins he's superior in just about every way, other than esoteric abilities which will never come into play

Originally posted by Nephthys
A rather ironic statement for you. You're whole debating style is taking out-of-context quotes and feats and rating them wildly out of proportion to buff up your favorite era. I have no agenda here, Legend. I argue in favor of TOR content in the majority of my posts. And even I'm appalled by your argument here. Darth Skotia as powerful as one of the greatest Sith to ever live? Excuse me while I shudder. This should be a reality check for you. I'm your biggest supporter usually and I'm the one most offended by your wank.
I admit that I sometimes do not do a great job at putting stuff together in coherent manner to convey a point properly but I do present arguments that are easy to understand and respond to. Sometimes, a singe point of mine is split in to multiple statements and spacing factor might confuse the reader in assuming that each statement represents a separate point. However, best way to respond is to read the entire argument/response first instead of responding to each statement independently like you often do which results in repetition of exchanges of points during the ongoing debate.

You do argue in favor of TOR era, I respect you for this reason but I respect you more for having greater understanding of the lore then norm here. However, you do have some core beliefs that you are not willing to be flexible about and if such beliefs are challenged, you start mocking and dismissing statements that challenge your beliefs without proper reasoning.

You are dismissing the credibility of Darth Skotia with the excuse that he is just a random Darth and cannot hold a candle to a more well-known Darth of the mythos. While I see that a you may tend to hold a more well-known Darth at higher esteem but is this really logical thinking? In contrast to you, I am open to the possibility of lesser known characters to be a match for more well-known characters, I am just being realistic. Maybe this is due to my habit of focusing on minute details to formulate assessments.

As an example; I hold Tulak Hord at higher esteem, more-so then many well-known Sith Lords of the mythos, even though not much is known about his credibility at the moment but whatever information is available, implies that he is incredible by mythos standards. So if somebody asks me that who is better among Tulak Hord and Darth Vader, I would say Tulak Hord and would try to defend my opinion. Now should be labeled as being era biased for this reason because I dared to assume that someone is possibly better then Darth Vader?

Honestly speaking, there is not much to debate about well-known characters, they are like open books for the masses. Real debate occurs about lesser known stuff or ground realities that may challenge core beliefs of the masses or even some aspects of the presumed realities of the lore.

My request to you is to have an open mind, if you are trying to protect your image or something, then you are not doing "your inner Galileo" a favor. Stop worrying about how people perceive you on the basis of your beliefs about Sci-Fi stuff, challenge the core beliefs if you must. What will happen at maximum? People will disagree? Let them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, era bias. It's tough to become a Sith in any era. Just because it was more intensive in the TOR era means little, it doesn't magic up a bunch of individuals with greater Force potential than there exists in other eras. The most powerful TOR acolytes would have become Sith in any other era regardless of the strictness of the training. Also the harshness means many who could have been good Sith died in the unfair conditions and their potential was wasted.

And besides, even if the standard Sith are superior, that doesn't mean a rank and file Sith like Skotia, who has millions as powerful as himself existing in TOR, would be on the level of Dooku, who is in the top 5 of his era and one of the most powerful Sith ever. That's ridiculous.

Now tell me how the ground realities of the TOR era were sooo different from that of the PT and we can't compare blah blah blah.
First, drop the "era bias" touts and simply focus on presented arguments. It is tough to become a Sith (Lord) in most eras but standards for becoming a Sith (Lord) in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire and in Rule of Two era are evidently highest throughout history. Now why did I brought this information in to equation? To make it apparent that Sith (Lords) of reconstituted ancient Sith Empire are absolutely quality Sith by mythos standards by virtue of higher standards for becoming a Sith Lord in this Empire in comparison to most other eras. This baseline assumption makes it easier to understand that Darth Skotia became a Sith Lord in a cutthroat environment that is not matched in intensity at any point in history and he is more tried and tested then many Sith in other eras in history accordingly by virtue of this ground reality. Now with this baseline assumption, we can tend to overlook the excuse that he is just a random Darth of the mythos.

Now that the excuse part is covered, we get back to evaluating Darth Skotia further with greater fairness and focus. Darth Skotia was so powerful and feared that even a master of dark arts such as Lord Zash did not took chances against him and Darth Nox (most promising Sith in generations with history of defeating incredibly dangerous opponents) had to sabotage Skotia's cybernetics to overcome him. Now with open mind, it is possible to assume that Darth Skotia could hold a candle to liks of Count Dooku and this is generous assessment. Count Dooku, contrary to older novelistic hype in his favor, have not been tried and tested in similar manner as a Darth of reconstituted ancient Sith Empire have been. We know that Count Dooku is powerful because of his feats and accolades but should we blindly assume that he is better then most Darths in history without having ample knowledge of capabilities of each? This is the kind of belief that I tend to challenge. It is not like as if I am asserting that Count Dooku is wrongly hyped or does not deserves to be considered among the elites, it is just that expansion of the lore is providing possible identities that may seem like a challenge for Count Dooku and this doesn't lessens Count's credentials, he will remain among the best even if he is ranked at 500th spot holistically because millions and millions of Sith have existed in history.

In-fact, Count Dooku is decent to the extent that I often use him as a benchmark to evaluate other characters of the mythos. But I also understand Count's limits and not fall for blind (fanon) hype in his favor. I understand that Count Dooku challenged Yoda to a certain level but Yoda was being defensive mostly and was more interested at turning Count back to light due to the former's soft-corner for his once remarkable student. If Yoda ever had killing intentions, I am confident that he would have eliminated Count Dooku in a fight. Count's fallibility is further demonstrated by actions of Darth Sidious and Mother Talzin against him, in-fact, Darth Sidious choked Count Dooku from lightyears distance to remind him of his fallibility. Your assumption that I am not well-aware of the ground realities of the lore is utterly misplaced and I would say the same about all other members who blindly tend to be critics of me at personal capacity and lowball TOR era content without logical basis.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It seems my point stands. Nox did sabotage Skotia, but theres no evidence that Nox required to do that to beat him or couldn't have done so without weakening him.
Not a single source asserts that Skotia's situation was similar to that of Vader, that his ability to use the Force had diminished to great extent due to cybernetics. In addition, why sabotage the cybernetics if a Lord could be defeated through fair means? In-fact, fair victory over a feared Lord would have done Darth Nox greater favor in the context of growth of his reputation. This mechanism to overcome Darth Skotia have greater implications, TOR Encyclopedia confirms that Darth Nox sabotaged Skotia's cybernetics to defeat him and the only logical assumption is that this was a necessary or important move to score this victory. In-fact, Darth Nox have seldom been unfair in a battle, he mostly killed his opponents on the basis of his own capabilities or support of his own companions at maximum. Yes, companion aspect also comes in to play, if Darth Nox had Khem Val beside him, it is still an unfair method to defeat Darth Skotia.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Who cares if Skotia could beat a powerful apprentice, which hasn't been established btw. I've already proven in the other thread that you're using the term powerful in an incorrect manner and that it can be applied to many, many individuals who are not even as powerful as a standard Jedi Knight.
Darth Nox was a powerful Force-user prior to confrontation with Darth Skotia, I have provided multiple official statements to verify this fact! Quit babbling about this matter further. I have addressed your argument in other thread, re-check it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I does take away from his repute, because one of the premier Force users from the PT era, who is one of the strongest Sith in any era, would be a mid-level Darth nobody in the TOR era. Which is obviously what you're trying to establish. Dooku is so far above Skotia he could likely ragdoll him in under a second. Dooku has incredibly powerful TK feats and this would be well within his capabilities.
Once again, what is one of the most premier Force-users of PT era supposed to mean? Obi-Wan Kenobi is one of the most premier Force-users of PT era but does he hold a candle to a powerful Sith of reconstituted ancient Sith Empire? I really doubt it.

Your "nobody" excuse have been covered above.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, and Skotia was also highly dependent upon his implants. That's why Nox disabling them weakened him so much, remember? He was more machine than man.
Yes, but this also implies that he was powerful in the ways of the Force even with cybernetics.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's nice. I don't care. A standard Darth like Skotia couldn't beat Count Dooku even if he was blind, weakened and half-asleep. Dooku defeated 3 powerful individuals in such a condition, his skills is that good.
Now you are being ridiculous. And who are these 3 "powerful" individuals? Some night-sisters? You are using the word "powerful" in wrong context in this case, simply to suit your agenda. Night-sisters represent a powerful faction in comparison to norm beings of the mythos. This doesn't means that a random Night-sister is a powerful Force-user by mythos standards. Darth Skotia, on the other hand, is one of the most powerful Sith of the Empire and likely a powerful Force-user by mythos standards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You yourself posted a quote stating that an Inquisitor is a master of the dark side. There are millions of Inquisitor's in the Empire, Legend and they're outranked by Sith Lords and Jedi Masters. Consular's are also stated to be "masters of the Force" and the Jedi Order is rife with them. And they're not all Jedi Masters. Jedi Masters represent a higher level even than a standard Consular.
Millions of Inquisitors? From where are you getting these numbers, Nephthys? There are not many Lords and Darths in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire at any given time period. In addition, few graduate from the trials to become proper apprentices and get the opportunity to climb the ladder of power-oriented hierarchy further. This ladder eventually narrows down to 12 seats in the Dark Council or special positions that are determined by Emperor himself.

Inquisitors tend to become masters of the dark side, they acquire decent mastery of the Force during apprenticeship but can become masters of the Force at any point in time irrespective of ranks. Darth Nox became a master of the Force prior to his first confrontation with Darth Thanaton, the former did not challenge the latter until he felt he had acquired sufficient talent and power to take the chance.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So all you've established is that Zash is as good as any regular Jedi and Sith who focuses on the Force.
Yeah right...

Lord Zash is a Sith Lord. You know what a Sith Lord is? Dark (Lord) of the Sith in full terms. And you understand what a Dark (Lord) of the Sith represents in the mythos?

The powerful Lords and Darths of reconstituted ancient Sith Empire could be major players in other eras if they had been placed in them. It is that so much competition existed in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire and that Emperor Vitiate had overshadowed every dark side practitioner. Unlucky them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm rolling my eyes at your inability to grasp what an example is. I never said you stated Ahsoka was on Dooku level, I was making a point about how she's referred to as powerful yet is clearly well below a notable Jedi or Sith.
I checked this profile: http://www.starwars.com/databank/ahsoka-tano

It reveals that Anakin Skywalker became a powerful Jedi Knight, not Ahsoka Tano.

Your point is moot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I can connect the dots all you want, but 2 + 2 will never equal 5 and Darth Skotia will never equal Tyranus.
I connected the dots for you above, coz it was such a rocket science.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So was the Hero of Tython, yet you disagreed that she could have significantly developed her skills in a years time. But when it comes to Nox, suddenly she can become one of the strongest around from the lowliest slave in a few weeks? Lawl, it feels good to be pointing out other people double standards for a change and this is a doozie.

So what? Her combat experience still couldn't have been very high considering the length of time. It's literally impossible.
As I pointed out in another thread, it is hard to determine time-aspect of the stories which represent 3 years in span from Act 1 to Act 3. As players, we don't complete these stories in a span of 3 years or do we?

Darth Nox demonstrated significant skills during his trails by handling various threats inside multiple Tombs, single-handedly defeated several acolytes inside the Tomb of Ajunta Pall at one point, completed such kind of trails that were thought to be impossible for acolytes including defeating a large Terentatek and most notably Khem Val (one of the most feared ancient beings). He became a powerful Force-user around the time of his graduation. Now it is unclear how long his training procedure took but he was an exception to the norm due to his remarkable potential in the dark side at natural capacity.

HoT also demonstrated extremely fast learning curve early on but the improvement process eventually slows down when skills are perfected to their highest degree or close with passage of time. Near the end of Act 2, HoT have already surpassed every Jedi in power and skill.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao! Nox gained Zash's attention by shooting lightning at a rock. She completed a task no-one else had in centuries because no-one else was dumb enough to get frustrated and blast a priceless artifact with lightning.
I cannot comment on this, what I know at he moment is that Darth Nox was sent to complete a task which would pit him against Khem Val in the tomb of Naga Sadow, he successfully completed this challenge. When he came back to Overseer with the prize, the Overseer gave it to his favorite acolyte. Lord Zash arrived at this point but she had figured that Darth Nox has completed the task, she executed the favored acolyte for his foolishness which also send a message to the Overseer that his choices will not be necessarily respected.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To fight a weakened Darth Skotia with a Dashade as back-up. Yeah, she sent a mere apprentice.
Mere apprentice was powerful in the ways of the Force. How many times do I have to assert this?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I've still not heard you establish exactly why a dude needing to be beaten somehow makes them on Dooku's level. Even if Nox did need to do that, Nox isn't even in Dooku's remote league at this point. Put Dooku in Skotia's position and Nox would have gotten massacred.
Your first sentence makes no sense, dude needing to be beaten? (WTF)

Your second statement have some basis, it is possible that Darth Nox is not strong enough to challenge Count Dooku at this point but he still have comparable level of understanding of dark arts at this stage. Yes, Count Dooku does not have weakness of Darth Skotia, no cybernetics that could be compromised. Yes, but Darth Nox coupled with Khem Val? I believe in the possibility of victory of this duo against Count, its better then the duo of Opress and Ventress whom Count had to contend with at one point.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm the best advocate for the TOR era on the forum and have done more for it than you. People are actively turned away from this era because of your absurd wanking. Until I established Nox's ability, you and others had no idea about her capabilities. And my mind is open. I used to argue against TOR content, but by actually experiencing it I gained knowledge about the characters power. I simply don't take it crazy extremes like you do.
I am bringing additional ground realities of TOR era to spotlight, ground realities that you did not focus much upon. I do admire your respect threads about SWTOR era characters, they are helpful.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't care.
Your point have been dismissed but you don't care? Then what the hell are you having this debate for? You should care and accept a reasoning if it trumps yours.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Um, yes. You can't just walk into someones study and kill them on Dromund Kaas. As I said, Zash needed Nox to kill Skotia for her while she was at a party. Therefore she had a perfect alibi and couldn't be targeted by Thanaton for killing Skotia. The whole reason why Thanaton hates Nox so much is because Zash and Nox broke the rules by killing Skotia. Again, you should play the game and then you'd know all of this.
Sith tend to bend the rules if it serves their agenda. Lord Zash could be hesitant at making her own move because she would gain enmity of Darth Thanaton which would be her undoing. Interesting.

Lord Zash had a plan though, she planned a ritual which would grant her enormous power by consuming Darth Nox but Khem Val prevented this development.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, no it doesn't. TOR is the main source and is the best form in which to understand the era from. There is soooo much more information in there than is presented in the sourcebook. Swtore is just the brief summation of the events that take place in the game. If you want the true groud realities you have to access the source first hand.
I will play all stories with passage of time to improve my knowledge.

So far, I have completed Jedi Knight story and I still insist that TOR Encyclopedia provides concrete information of certain ground realities that may not be properly gathered from the stories.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's the smartest idea you've had all thread. Though I'd prefer you play the Warrior campaign. We need more people who can argue for the Wrath, and his story should be easier for you to wank since he defeats a powerful Terentatek and one of the greatest Sith Overseers in history while still training on Korriban. The Wrath really does need more respect around here.
I will play Wrath's story as well but I prefer to play one story at a time instead of getting involved in multiple stories simultaneously.

Do you have characters in Progenitor server by the way?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Being a powerful apprentice doesn't mean much. Nor does simply being labelled as powerful, as I've established. Do you think Nox is better than a Nightsister? I wonder.... mmm
Darth Nox will kick a Nightsister's butt easily. Only the strongest Nightsister would challenge him such as Mother Talzin.

Originally posted by Nephthys
We're not talking about prime, but you're suggesting that Nox became a Ventress or Jedi Council level fighter in a few weeks at the academy. Which directly contradicts your previous argument that such development was impossible that that short a period of time. It's inconsistent and a double standard. You're just saying whatever makes Nox look better.

I understand the content infinitely better than you do. You've never experienced it. All your knowledge comes from single sentence summations. I actually know what I'm talking about.
Covered already. I'd caution you against using time-focused argument, we do not exactly know how long the trials lasted. And yes, Darth Nox did demonstrate a proper Sith level combat prowess during the trials, his victory over Khem Val is nothing short of amazing.

I wouldn't be arguing in favor of Darth Nox if I did not had access to important information about him. I will try the story, don't worry.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Your heathen ilk at work, my son.
Your deviousness and demeanor is most impressive.

It really is.

Bump

Most likely Dooku, but Nox's esoteric abilities could give her the win. Not for a majority, tho.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Nox's esoteric abilities could give her the win.

Esoteric abilities my ass; Dooku's arguably more knowledgable than her/him/it/insert Tumblr gender here. And Nox's TK is Obi level, so Tyranus should definitely overwhelm her.

How is Dooku beating Nox with the Force when a big Force Storm did shit to her, though?

Dooku can conjure a bigger one.

When has he ever?

Whenever he speaks. His charisma convinces the weather to change.

His cool ass saber hilt prolly intimidates Nox to the point her ghosts piss their pants and fly away.

Originally posted by MythLord
Esoteric abilities my ass; Dooku's arguably more knowledgable than her/him/it/insert Tumblr gender here. And Nox's TK is Obi level, so Tyranus should definitely overwhelm her.

Top kek

Dooku

Darth Nox in a Force battle. I could see it going either way in an all out fight.

I like you Nova

Danke.