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Darth ****ing Malgus vs. the man who brought down Vader.

Force, sabers, all out

Malgus stomps.

Someone hasn't read the RotJ novel have they? Malgus by no means stomps, not even close.

If it was just sabers, Luke is not in bad shape, but he's not used to someone with Malgus's array of force offense, which could prove to be a major disadvantage.

Honestly, even in all out, Luke's got some pretty good Force feats.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Someone hasn't read the RotJ novel have they? Malgus by no means stomps, not even close.

What George Lucas says > novel

Originally posted by Nalaniel
Malgus stomps.

Sorry, but we have seen what happens when Luke faces lightning.

Originally posted by Nalaniel
What George Lucas says > novel

George Lucas says little to nothing in irrelevance to Luke's power by RotJ and in no way does the novel contradict the film, sorry but your attempt to dismiss the evidence out of hand isn't going to work.

Anyone who read the novel knows that Luke managed to absorb some of Palpatine's lightning but was overwhelmed.

If this is pre-waifu Malgus, Luke has a solid chance of victory here. If this is post-waifu Malgus, he prollay wins pretty definitively.

Originally posted by AncientPower
George Lucas says little to nothing in irrelevance to Luke's power by RotJ and in no way does the novel contradict the film, sorry but your attempt to dismiss the evidence out of hand isn't going to work.

Anyone who read the novel knows that Luke managed to absorb some of Palpatine's lightning but was overwhelmed.


Urmm.. No. A 16 year old novel made before the Prequels doesn not hold up as evidence against Lucas's own words in the audio commentary of the films post Prequels.

According to Lucas, Luke is not a match for Vader as of ROTJ:

"In coming back to see Yoda we have to figure out Luke's training and the fact that he never finished his training and obviously now he's got a big question he wants answered. There is a point where the hero has to be left on his own 2 feet without anyone there to help him. And you can sort of have him be in a different place for something, but at some point you have to say now all the props have been taken away and he has to face the evil monster alone. In this case the scene established that the evil monster is actually his Father, and he's going to have to do it on his own, and that he's not really equipped to do it. He was too impatient, he didn't finish his studies, and now he's going to be HALF Trained to face a difficult physical and emotional challenge.

George Lucas, Return of the Jedi Audio Commentary.


Dave Filoni who is a creator of a big part of PT and OT era Canon and who worked with and talked to George Lucas daily about the story and characters says Luke was never going to defeat Vader or the Emperor with a Lightsaber. He wasn't trained well enough. His mission was always to bring Vader back to the Lightside through Love.

"I mean, on a basic level at this point he’s so much better trained than Luke could ever be. It’s just an interesting take on what are all these other people that have the Force doing? And how do we not have that interfere with the blinding light, the New Hope that Luke Skywalker becomes? Luke’s mission in the Force is very specific. Learn to be selfless. Selfless enough to save your Father. To realize that you can forgive and redeem. And that’s a bit different than where we’re going with Ezra and Kanan for sure."

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-rebels-interview-dave-filoni/


"And Luke, let's face it, he was never really the best. I have a notion that anyone on the Council could really kick his butt. He had a lot of heart though, right? He had a lot going for him. And almost it was what he didn't know that made him really dangerous to the Emperor, it's just love for his father -- but he wasn't going to take you out with his lightsaber skills, that was for sure. "

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/03/21/star-wars-the-clone-wars-looking-back-at-season-4

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/48954/2071031-new_picture__11_.jpg

ROTJ?

Try FOTJ Luke, if this is Emperor Malgus. FOTJ Luke is safe bet.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Try FOTJ Luke, if this is Emperor Malgus. FOTJ Luke is safe bet.
That would be completely unfair for Malgus.

ROTJ is probably the best match.
The next level up is capable of out-dueling Palpatine.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Urmm.. No. A 16 year old novel made before the Prequels doesn not hold up as evidence against Lucas's own words in the audio commentary of the films post Prequels.

According to Lucas, Luke is not a match for Vader as of ROTJ:

"In coming back to see Yoda we have to figure out Luke's training and the fact that he never finished his training and obviously now he's got a big question he wants answered. There is a point where the hero has to be left on his own 2 feet without anyone there to help him. And you can sort of have him be in a different place for something, but at some point you have to say now all the props have been taken away and he has to face the evil monster alone. In this case the scene established that the evil monster is actually his Father, and he's going to have to do it on his own, and that he's not really equipped to do it. He was too impatient, he didn't finish his studies, and now he's going to be HALF Trained to face a difficult physical and emotional challenge.

George Lucas, Return of the Jedi Audio Commentary.


Dave Filoni who is a creator of a big part of PT and OT era Canon and who worked with and talked to George Lucas daily about the story and characters says Luke was never going to defeat Vader or the Emperor with a Lightsaber. He wasn't trained well enough. His mission was always to bring Vader back to the Lightside through Love.

"I mean, on a basic level at this point he’s so much better trained than Luke could ever be. It’s just an interesting take on what are all these other people that have the Force doing? And how do we not have that interfere with the blinding light, the New Hope that Luke Skywalker becomes? Luke’s mission in the Force is very specific. Learn to be selfless. Selfless enough to save your Father. To realize that you can forgive and redeem. And that’s a bit different than where we’re going with Ezra and Kanan for sure."

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-rebels-interview-dave-filoni/


"And Luke, let's face it, he was never really the best. I have a notion that anyone on the Council could really kick his butt. He had a lot of heart though, right? He had a lot going for him. And almost it was what he didn't know that made him really dangerous to the Emperor, it's just love for his father -- but he wasn't going to take you out with his lightsaber skills, that was for sure. "

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/03/21/star-wars-the-clone-wars-looking-back-at-season-4
Hm conflicting sources, but very well, I concede this point to you good sir.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/48954/2071031-new_picture__11_.jpg

So you're going to take a 20 year old comic over George Lucas' s final say on the matter?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Hm conflicting sources, but very well, I concede this point to you good sir.



I used to think the same because the movie seems to portray them as equals, and I'm sure that was the original intention.But Lucas had the final say on the matter. (Well Disney do now. Lol. But Filoni is a creator of the new Disney canon as well).

There are conflicting accounts, but I wouldn't past it that they fought as equals. In which case Malgus might lose here.

If Luke is enraged he wins.

I think Luke takes this with high difficulty. ROTJ Luke fought Vader as an equal, and if enraged he can easily plow through Malgus's cybernetics. Malgus can realp a few wins based on his TK though imo