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Maul's Phantom Menace incarnation vs Celeste Morne. Who takes it?

Morne, I'd say. The Talisman gave her a lot of power, and by the legacy era she was quite strong.

Still Maul, she has been defeated by Vader and she didn't even gave hard time to Vader,

on the other hand clone of TPM Maul was defeating Vader and Vader only won that via PIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkHJgp56zbQ

Originally posted by Marco1907
Still Maul, she has been defeated by Vader and she didn't even gave hard time to Vader,


She smacked him with a thrown coffin. And that was without her spending over a century learning to draw on the talisman, which increased her power considerably.

Morne's force abilities should simply overpower him, TPM Maul isn't particularly great in defensive Force applications. Any one who read Shadow Hunter can tell you that.

Celeste.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Morne's force abilities should simply overpower him, TPM Maul isn't particularly great in defensive Force applications. Any one who read Shadow Hunter can tell you that.

TPM Maul has some decent TK feats, not impressive but decent ;

http://i58.tinypic.com/b5sgaq.jpg

Hurls force-sensitive drovian Silus, and overpowers the dampening field with the force ;

http://i60.tinypic.com/21awyle.jpg

Hurls amped TPM Kenobi ;

http://i61.tinypic.com/qyg6qg.jpg

And these ;

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http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/2iuvxno_zps0ca6c03f.jpg

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http://i58.tinypic.com/24y5nhl.jpg
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http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/f3st8j_zps8afeab1b.jpg
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http://i62.tinypic.com/dbrvwk.jpg

Originally posted by Marco1907
Still Maul, she has been defeated by Vader and she didn't even gave hard time to Vader,

on the other hand clone of TPM Maul was defeating Vader and Vader only won that via PIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkHJgp56zbQ



Have to say, after not having read that in a long time, that was a nice looong fight. We don't usually get fights that long in SW Comics, and I've been especially disappointed in SOD giving us fights of 1 or 2 panels each. Since it was supposed to be animation, showing the fights move by move like the above would have been ideal, and make me much more forgiving for the fact that they didn't make the final season episodes.

Having said that I really don't see how any of that can be canon (even in Legends) now that Maul was never "killed" by Kenobi. (Unless of course Kenobi pops up in the final issue of SOD and kills him).

In any case even in that comic the Acolytes state that Vader and Maul were completely evenly matched. Maul only began winning when his Saber staff became 2 Sabers (which in it self was PIS that Vader hit the Saber staff in just the right place to do that). And even then Vader still won himself (also through PIS). But remember Vader grew more powerful after this anyway.

Also that showing was written before many of Vader's good showings. Personally I view it as a fairly low showing even for the him-of-the-time.

It was written right after TPM came out. And there was no Count Dooku yet, so Maul and Vader were the only 2 big apprentices of Sidious. And everyone was talking about who would win a fight between them.

So obviously a Maul vs Vader comic was going to sell. And they predictably showed them both as being overall equals - Maul being faster and more acrobatic, with Vader being more experienced and physically more durable- but overall "complete eqauls."

Its was a Great Versus comic but difficult to view as completely canon today, and not a great source to compare OT Vader and TPM Maul to each other IMHO.

Originally posted by Q99
Morne, I'd say. The Talisman gave her a lot of power, and by the legacy era she was quite strong.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It was written right after TPM came out. And there was no Count Dooku yet, so Maul and Vader were the only 2 big apprentices of Sidious. And everyone was talking about who would win a fight between them.

So obviously a Maul vs Vader comic was going to sell. And they predictably showed them both as being overall equals - Maul being faster and more acrobatic, with Vader being more experienced and physically more durable- but overall "complete eqauls."

Its was a Great Versus comic but difficult to view as completely canon today, and not a great source to compare OT Vader and TPM Maul to each other IMHO.

Exactly. It was when we thought Maul was Vader 1.0, and before we knew Vader'd cut swaths through entire groups of Jedi.

Originally posted by Q99
Exactly. It was when we thought Maul was Vader 1.0, and before we knew Vader'd cut swaths through entire groups of Jedi.

Purge you mean ?

Vader get ass kicked there against featless jedis though if not for clone troopers he was going to die, and he get many low showings in terms of speed after that period.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Purge you mean ?

Vader get ass kicked there against featless jedis though if not for clone troopers he was going to die, and he get many low showings in terms of speed after that period.

8 Jedi, 6 of them masters, including Bultar Swan, and only 3 created for that story, the majority had previous feats, like Ma'kis'shaalas, who won a fight against Tsyr, a Morgukai warrior who in turn once beat Master Tholme.

6 Masters + 2 knights is very impressive even if they were complete unknowns, and this lot wasn't!


And that's not the only time. There was, iirc, a case not long after he got his armor that he took down four quite handily.

Plus facing plenty of strong individuals like An'ya Kuro, Galen Marek, and yadda yadda.

Maul dies.