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Superman appears from the past and \ wants to prove to himself and eveyone else that he is a Gee and his invulnerability is as good as there has ever been. He enters this gauntlet of punches to the chest. At what point is he effected?

1. A cybernatic arm punch from the Winter Soldier.

2. A strategically placed weakness punch by Karnak.

3. A energy punch from Gauntlet.

4. A full on Chi charged punch from Ironfist.

5. A Master Blow from Black Bolt.

6. A Savage Hulk haymaker.

7. A Horus Claw planetary punch by Hawkman.

8. An Antimatter right from Blue Marvel.

9. An Infinite Mass punch from Flash.

A muffin




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Originally posted by Inhuman
A muffin


Those must be magic muffins, laced with kryptonite sprinkles, and cooked under a red solar oven.

Stops at 2.

That's the kind of wacky Silver Age thing that would happen.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
1. A cybernatic arm punch from the Winter Soldier. Good way to start a gauntlet.

But anyway.

1. Nothing

2, This might work actually. Like what DS said.

3. Nothing

4. Death

5. A good chance of nothing

6. Nothing

7. He likely gets moved, unless going by high end showings only

8. Anti-matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit

9. I want to say nothing... so I will. He gets moved by the theory of the IMP, not so much by the feats of it though IMO.

danny punches a hole through his chest. everything else bounces clean off.

Originally posted by Inhuman
A muffin




http://i.imgur.com/b2fJbyb.jpg


How pathetic.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Good way to start a gauntlet.

But anyway.

1. Nothing

2, This might work actually. Like what DS said.

3. Nothing

4. Death

5. A good chance of nothing

6. Nothing

7. He likely gets moved, unless going by high end showings only

8. Anti-matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit

9. I want to say nothing... so I will. He gets moved by the theory of the IMP, not so much by the feats of it though IMO.

I want to LOL out your take on BM's antimatter punch, but I'll ask for your explanation. I believe he put Sentry in orbit and KOed King Hyperion with 4 blows. So tell us why it aint's shit.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I want to LOL out your take on BM's antimatter punch, but I'll ask for your explanation. I believe he put Sentry in orbit and KOed King Hyperion with 4 blows. So tell us why it aint's shit. Because it's just an amped punch with the words "anti-matter" peppered into it with no connection to what anti-matter has accomplished in the hands of others. If it was purely anti-matter he would have obliterated Sentry and King Hyperion with it.

There's no reason it should be stronger than a Hulk punch based on feats.

Hence:
Anti-matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit

Originally posted by Inhuman
A muffin




http://i.imgur.com/b2fJbyb.jpg

Keep your PORNOGRAPHY out of this forum!

Wasn't Superman and other Kryptonians vulnerable to antimatter during the Crisis of Infinite Earths?

the entire multiverse was vulnerable to antimatter during the crisis of infinite earths.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wasn't Superman and other Kryptonians vulnerable to antimatter during the Crisis of Infinite Earths? Yeah but BM has literally no "anti-matter feats" with it, and he's hit people with it. Seems odd to me.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah but BM has literally no "anti-matter feats" with it, and he's hit people with it. Seems odd to me.

It's still anti-matter though, unless DC antimatter is somehow different than Marvel's antimatter. Also Adam seems to hold back a lot, so I'm not sure if it would be within his character to obliterate someone with an antimatter blast. Just saying an antimatter punch from him would probably light PC Superman up. /Shrug

You're kind of missing Bran's point.Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Hence:
Anti-matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit

Originally posted by Stoic
It's still anti-matter though, unless DC antimatter is somehow different than Marvel's antimatter. Also Adam seems to hold back a lot, so I'm not sure if it would be within his character to obliterate someone with an antimatter blast. Just saying an antimatter punch from him would probably light PC Superman up. /Shrug

DC antimatter was obliterating matter.

Blue Marvel....just punched really hard.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because it's just an amped punch with the words "anti-matter" peppered into it with no connection to what anti-matter has accomplished in the hands of others. If it was purely anti-matter he would have obliterated Sentry and King Hyperion with it.

There's no reason it should be stronger than a Hulk punch based on feats.

Hence:
Anti-matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit

Okay, he was only serious about King Hype, a herald buster, and he DID obliterate him. I don't even think he charged against Sentry. Bottom line is that it id antimatter and Superdraws is matter.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DC antimatter was obliterating matter.

Blue Marvel....just punched really hard.

He did use a small dose against King Hyperion though. Perhaps it isn't in his character to outright kill people since he's a hero and everything that comes along with that title. It also does not change the fact that he generates antimatter. My point is that he has done more than simply punch things, and people, he has actually used small amounts of his power. At this point, Adam is so new in terms of intricate power feats, that I will reserve my comments on him until later. I was just thinking that an antimatter punch should affect someone that was vulnerable to it on panel.

Tanking antimatter, just to point out, seems Like something SA Supes could negate by rubbing himself and creating a positive charge to etc etc etc. Yes, retarded, but there we go. Comic science.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tanking antimatter, just to point out, seems Like something SA Supes could negate by rubbing himself and creating a positive charge to etc etc etc. Yes, retarded, but there we go. Comic science.

But he's just puffing up his chest, and bracing. There aren't any rubbing, and shuffling around involved in the OP brother.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's still anti-matter though, unless DC antimatter is somehow different than Marvel's antimatter. Also Adam seems to hold back a lot, so I'm not sure if it would be within his character to obliterate someone with an antimatter blast. Just saying an antimatter punch from him would probably light PC Superman up. /Shrug Even Marvel's anti matter is decent. Like Galactus' anti matter engine destroying Cosmic Cube Red Skull.

The issue here is that Blue Marvel was pounding King Hype's dick into his butt with no real damage done besides a concussion.

And him holding back shouldn't have an effect on his anti matter. The anti matter doesn't get its destructive properties from going all out.

Either Blue Marvel's anti matter is just the name of it but it isn't anti matter, or it ain't shit coming from him.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Even Marvel's anti matter is decent. Like Galactus' anti matter engine destroying Cosmic Cube Red Skull.

The issue here is that Blue Marvel was pounding King Hype's dick into his butt with no real damage done besides a concussion.

And him holding back shouldn't have an effect on his anti matter. The anti matter doesn't get its destructive properties from going all out.

Either Blue Marvel's anti matter is just the name of it but it isn't anti matter, or it ain't shit coming from him.

Or he controls the amount that he releases when fighting a human opponent no matter how powerful they may be. He also put King Hyperion out for more than a panel. Like I said, I would prefer to reserve my opinions on Adam until later, because we may be in for a big surprise in terms of what destructive force he can actually put out. There is actual context to his battle with King Hyperion; namely, there were civilians in close proximity of the battle. If he went for broke, wouldn't that have placed them in danger? Just recently in the Mighty Avengers, he used his power like Yu-Yu Hakasho does his Spirit Gun technique, and hit this undead Mage dude (forget his name) with a controlled blast. He was also able to correct Monica Rambeau's degrading state with his powers. Like I said, he just needs time. As for now, Marvel says that he possesses antimatter powers, that he can use in several ways. Don't see why his antimatter would not be able to hurt a guy that was vulnerable to antimatter? I realize that loads of people dislike Blue Marvel (don't know why?) but, so far he's been doing pretty good in his limited showings.

Originally posted by Stoic
Or he controls the amount that he releases when fighting a human opponent no matter how powerful they may be. He also put King Hyperion out for more than a panel. Like I said, I would prefer to reserve my opinions on Adam until later, because we may be in for a big surprise in terms of what destructive force he can actually put out. There is actual context to his battle with King Hyperion; namely, there were civilians in close proximity of the battle. If he went for broke, wouldn't that have placed them in danger? Just recently in the Mighty Avengers, he used his power like Yu-Yu Hakasho does his Spirit Gun technique, and hit this undead Mage dude (forget his name) with a controlled blast. He was also able to correct Monica Rambeau's degrading state with his powers. Like I said, he just needs time. As for now, Marvel says that he possesses antimatter powers, that he can use in several ways. Don't see why his antimatter would not be able to hurt a guy that was vulnerable to antimatter? I realize that loads of people dislike Blue Marvel (don't know why?) but, so far he's been doing pretty good in his limited showings.

Well if we're going to play it like that...

Blue Marvel's punches amped or not aren't above Savage Hulk level. His anti matter hasn't done shit on the level of Anti Monitor's anti matter. It'd be foolish to try and attribute it to Blue Marvel. And if that's the case he is a weakness to almost every DC being in existence and should be able to kill 99 percent of them.

Based purely on something he's never done with his own powers.

We can judge this on a theoretical level all we want but at the end of the day Blue Marvel who has a surprising amount of appearances and fights ain't done shit with it. Even worse when he's literally hit beings with it and it shows nothing above what an energy attack is capable of. And he was using a head sized amount in each fist that still should have kablooeyed King Hype to smithereens.

The wait and see argument doesn't work here. Especially not when people are going to forget this thread in a day or two.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DC antimatter was obliterating matter.

Blue Marvel....just punched really hard.

That's funny. So if Superman got hit with antimatter, DC would allow him to be obliterated? Hell no.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Even Marvel's anti matter is decent. Like Galactus' anti matter engine destroying Cosmic Cube Red Skull.

The issue here is that Blue Marvel was pounding King Hype's dick into his butt with no real damage done besides a concussion.

And him holding back shouldn't have an effect on his anti matter. The anti matter doesn't get its destructive properties from going all out.

Either Blue Marvel's anti matter is just the name of it but it isn't anti matter, or it ain't shit coming from him.


Lol, it IS Marvel antimatter, so.... You act like he is made of the stuff. He's not, he wields and produces and controls the energy. Marvel doesn't have to check with you for approval of the validity or potency standards. It IS antimatter and its not up for debate.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well if we're going to play it like that...

Blue Marvel's punches amped or not aren't above Savage Hulk level. His anti matter hasn't done shit on the level of Anti Monitor's anti matter. It'd be foolish to try and attribute it to Blue Marvel. And if that's the case he is a weakness to almost every DC being in existence and should be able to kill 99 percent of them.

Based purely on something he's never done with his own powers.

We can judge this on a theoretical level all we want but at the end of the day Blue Marvel who has a surprising amount of appearances and fights ain't done shit with it. Even worse when he's literally hit beings with it and it shows nothing above what an energy attack is capable of. And he was using a head sized amount in each fist that still should have kablooeyed King Hype to smithereens.

The wait and see argument doesn't work here. Especially not when people are going to forget this thread in a day or two.

Doesn't change the fact that he possesses antimatter powers. The idea that he was fighting King Hyperion so close to civilians should also be taken into consideration, or they would have been killed by a blast. Seeing as it only took four hits to put a guy like King Hyperion down, I would say that he is pretty powerful. I never compared his power output to the Anti Monitor's, but it does not in any way negate that PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter.

Waiting to see what he is capable of instead of insinuating that Blue Marvel is weak-sauce (if that is what you are saying) is actually something that you should do, because you may be in for a big surprise, and threads like this one are easily bumped.

Originally posted by Stoic
Doesn't change the fact that he possesses antimatter powers. The idea that he was fighting King Hyperion so close to civilians should also be taken into consideration, or they would have been killed by a blast. Seeing as it only took four hits to put a guy like King Hyperion down, I would say that he is pretty powerful. I never compared his power output to the Anti Monitor's, but it does not in any way negate that PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter.

Waiting to see what he is capable of instead of insinuating that Blue Marvel is weak-sauce (if that is what you are saying) is actually something that you should do, because you may be in for a big surprise, and threads like this one are easily bumped. Why should we take that into consideration? The guy powered himself up with AM and hit King Hype super hard. Had that been a "shockwave" writer he would have killed them with just his punches. Just because he wasn't using city sized anti matter that doesn't mean his anti matter was holding back.

But that's the thing, he doesn't have to be as powerful as AM. He just has to hit people with it. He won't go around destroying universes but anything he can hit should be evaporated. Including any DC being if we're to make the connection.

I was unaware Savage Hulk level was weak. And I was unaware he showed above that power.
I'm using what he's shown, not what he hasn't. I'm assuming he's on the level he is not what he could be. Whether in the next year he goes around disintegrating universes that is irrelevant to the moment. He has more than enough feats to judge him as is, and that's what I prefer to do.

And with that all said, his anti matter ain't shit. Talking about potential won't change that.

And here's the kicker, but what if I turn out to be correct in the future? Should I assume that's a possibility just as much as your "wait and see how totes tough he is" attitude? It works both ways.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well if we're going to play it like that...

Blue Marvel's punches amped or not aren't above Savage Hulk level. His anti matter hasn't done shit on the level of Anti Monitor's anti matter. It'd be foolish to try and attribute it to Blue Marvel. And if that's the case he is a weakness to almost every DC being in existence and should be able to kill 99 percent of them.

Based purely on something he's never done with his own powers.

We can judge this on a theoretical level all we want but at the end of the day Blue Marvel who has a surprising amount of appearances and fights ain't done shit with it. Even worse when he's literally hit beings with it and it shows nothing above what an energy attack is capable of. And he was using a head sized amount in each fist that still should have kablooeyed King Hype to smithereens.

The wait and see argument doesn't work here. Especially not when people are going to forget this thread in a day or two.

Everthing you said is based on the view that the panels didn't depict the effect of antimatter in the manner in which you would prefer it to, nothing more. He put down THREE team busters with his sole power source being antimatter, and all you can say is his punch doesnt do shit.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Everthing you said is based on the view that the panels didn't depict the effect of antimatter in the manner in which you would prefer it to, nothing more. He put down THREE team busters with his sole power source being antimatter, and all you can say is his punch doesnt do shit. Then show his anti matter disintegrating someone really tough.

Is Hulk pissed because this version of Hulk already flash koed Pre Crisis Superman.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Why should we take that into consideration? The guy powered himself up with AM and hit King Hype super hard. Had that been a "shockwave" writer he would have killed them with just his punches. Just because he wasn't using city sized anti matter that doesn't mean his anti matter was holding back.

But that's the thing, he doesn't have to be as powerful as AM. He just has to hit people with it. He won't go around destroying universes but anything he can hit should be evaporated. Including any DC being if we're to make the connection.

I was unaware Savage Hulk level was weak. And I was unaware he showed above that power.
I'm using what he's shown, not what he hasn't. I'm assuming he's on the level he is not what he could be. Whether in the next year he goes around disintegrating universes that is irrelevant to the moment. He has more than enough feats to judge him as is, and that's what I prefer to do.

And with that all said, his anti matter ain't shit. Talking about potential won't change that.

And here's the kicker, but what if I turn out to be correct in the future? Should I assume that's a possibility just as much as your "wait and see how totes tough he is" attitude? It works both ways.

Originally posted by carver9
Is Hulk pissed because this version of Hulk already flash koed Pre Crisis Superman.

Superman is standing and holding his ground, prepared for the impact.

Last time that happened Hulk didn't even budge him. crylaugh

http://www.mania.com/content_pics/000005/99/52/703af9a5ce7d396f_large.jpg

And that Hulk was more pissed than when he "flash Koed" Superman.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Superman is standing and holding his ground, prepared for the impact.

Last time that happened Hulk didn't even budge him. crylaugh

http://www.mania.com/content_pics/000005/99/52/703af9a5ce7d396f_large.jpg

And that Hulk was more pissed than when he "flash Koed" Superman.


Read after that though.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Then show his anti matter disintegrating someone really tough.

Bran, give up. They don't even understand the point you are making.

Originally posted by carver9
Read after that though. Irrelevant to the thread. The thread asks if Superman can tank a single punch. Not how many he could tank before being prompt into action.

So yeah. Hulk won't do shit as per the thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Read after that though.

Nope, after that Superman subdued him.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Irrelevant to the thread.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Nope, after that Superman subdued him.

That wasn't all that was said or done. Read it.

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't all that was said or done. Read it.

He was worried about the Hulks escalating strength so he ended it quickly. Point is Carver, he could end it quickly

Originally posted by carver9
Why can't Supes and Hulk be friends? FKN internet man. Tried to google an image of them not trying to punch each other and found nothing.

Even Superman and Goku have friendly fanarts =[

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Why can't Supes and Hulk be friends? FKN internet man. Tried to google an image of them not trying to punch each other and found nothing.

Even Superman and Goku have friendly fanarts =

Lol...they are friends. Pre Crisis Superman would annihilate Hulk. Just pointed out a non canon comic and even added a smiley after it and you all got all upset.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...they are friends. Pre Crisis Superman would annihilate Hulk. Just pointed out a non canon comic and even added a smiley after it and you all got all upset. It wasn't cause of you lol. Just google. Can't believe there ain't a single buddy image of the two. Its either Hulk smashing him or Superman decapitating Hulk. Sick bastards.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...they are friends. Pre Crisis Superman would annihilate Hulk. Just pointed out a non canon comic and even added a smiley after it and you all got all upset.

First superboy. Now this.

I was right all along

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't all that was said or done. Read it.

I own the comic and Superman took everything Hulk dished out after this scene and found out what annoyed Hulk and slapped it out of Hulks ear. You are talking about things that happened before this scene, a suckerpunch that "ANNOYED" Superman nothing more.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Irrelevant to the thread. The thread asks if Superman can tank a single punch. Not how many he could tank before being prompt into action.

So yeah. Hulk won't do shit as per the thread.


But there is a possibly cumulative effect. That's the point of a gauntlet.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I own the comic and Superman took everything Hulk dished out after this scene and found out what annoyed Hulk and slapped it out of Hulks ear. You are talking about things that happened before this scene, a suckerpunch that "ANNOYED" Superman nothing more.

Superman was most def flash koed before this. Posted this a thousand times on the forum proving it. Hulk didn't harm him afterwards though but eventually he would've.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
It wasn't cause of you lol. Just google. Can't believe there ain't a single buddy image of the two. Its either Hulk smashing him or Superman decapitating Hulk. Sick bastards.

Sure, it's in front of your nose. Carvers Sig, they are having butt-sex and Hulk is enjoying it. Can't be more love than this, though kind of gay if you ask me.

Didn't wanna go there >_>;

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Why should we take that into consideration? The guy powered himself up with AM and hit King Hype super hard. Had that been a "shockwave" writer he would have killed them with just his punches. Just because he wasn't using city sized anti matter that doesn't mean his anti matter was holding back.

But that's the thing, he doesn't have to be as powerful as AM. He just has to hit people with it. He won't go around destroying universes but anything he can hit should be evaporated. Including any DC being if we're to make the connection.

I was unaware Savage Hulk level was weak. And I was unaware he showed above that power.
I'm using what he's shown, not what he hasn't. I'm assuming he's on the level he is not what he could be. Whether in the next year he goes around disintegrating universes that is irrelevant to the moment. He has more than enough feats to judge him as is, and that's what I prefer to do.

And with that all said, his anti matter ain't shit. Talking about potential won't change that.

And here's the kicker, but what if I turn out to be correct in the future? Should I assume that's a possibility just as much as your "wait and see how totes tough he is" attitude? It works both ways.


We should take it into consideration, because at times it takes many years to fully flesh out a character. Look at the Sentry for example; the writers don't seem to know how to make heads or tails of this guy. If you're upset at the placing of the gauntlet take it up with the OP. Savage Hulk does not have the same power set as Blue Marvel, nor was it ever stated that PC Superman was weak to gamma radiation unless I somehow missed it. PC Superman on the other hand was stated to be vulnerable to anti matter energy, which is what I am saying. So what I am saying is that I don't see any reason why he would not be lit up by by Adam's antimatter powers, if directed into a punch.

You comparing King Hyperion to PC Superman is also an error, because they aren't the same character, or is King Hyperion weakened by Kryptonite as well? The same can be said that he may not be vulnerable to antimatter.

Now here's the kicker, what if you are incorrect in the future? It would be relevant to this, because they simply did not have enough time to showcase the full limits of his powers, and this is something that takes time. Since when was an energy blast/hit capable of destroying a universe needed to light up PC Superman? I never said anything about that, just that Adam should be able to light him up. Never said anything about killing him, or melting universes.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I own the comic and Superman took everything Hulk dished out after this scene and found out what annoyed Hulk and slapped it out of Hulks ear. You are talking about things that happened before this scene, a suckerpunch that "ANNOYED" Superman nothing more.

I thought he was referring to Superman's thought bubble where he was commenting on Hulks strenght increasing.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I thought he was referring to Superman's thought bubble where he was commenting on Hulks strenght increasing.

No he referred to the scene after Superman beat Hulk who was trapped under some stuff, he went there to help Hulk and free him, but dumb Hulk pretended to be ko and suckerpunched Superman and send him flying. He came back, said to Spiderman, who asked how he could survive this punch or something like this, that it only annyoed him and tanked everything Hulk could dish out with ease. You know PC days.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No he referred to the scene after Superman beat Hulk who was trapped under some stuff, he went there to help Hulk and free him, but dumb Hulk pretended to be ko and suckerpunched Superman and send him flying. He came back, said to Spiderman, who asked how he could survive this punch or something like this, that it only annyoed him and tanked everything Hulk could dish out with ease. You know PC days.

It said Superman body went limp after the punch. Superman didn't show back up until a lot of panels later when Hulk was on the verge of nearly destroying the city. Reread the book you suppose to have.

Originally posted by Stoic
We should take it into consideration, because at times it takes many years to fully flesh out a character. Look at the Sentry for example; the writers don't seem to know how to make heads or tails of this guy. If you're upset at the placing of the gauntlet take it up with the OP. Savage Hulk does not have the same power set as Blue Marvel, nor was it ever stated that PC Superman was weak to gamma radiation unless I somehow missed it. PC Superman on the other hand was stated to be vulnerable to anti matter energy, which is what I am saying. So what I am saying is that I don't see any reason why he would not be lit up by by Adam's antimatter powers, if directed into a punch.

You comparing King Hyperion to PC Superman is also an error, because they aren't the same character, or is King Hyperion weakened by Kryptonite as well? The same can be said that he may not be vulnerable to antimatter.

Now here's the kicker, what if you are incorrect in the future? It would be relevant to this, because they simply did not have enough time to showcase the full limits of his powers, and this is something that takes time. Since when was an energy blast/hit capable of destroying a universe needed to light up PC Superman? I never said anything about that, just that Adam should be able to light him up. Never said anything about killing him, or melting universes.

I am FAR from a PCS expert, but even my ass knows he wasn't always depicted as totally invulnerable to forces other than specific weaknesses. All you Superfans know that as well, you are just perpetuating at the moment. And yes Stoic, that's why I placed it above Hulks punch on the Gauntlet.

Originally posted by carver9
It said Superman body went limp after the punch. Superman didn't show back up until a lot of panels later when Hulk was on the verge of nearly destroying the city. Reread the book you suppose to have.

McAbe, response? I don't know, I don't have the book. If true, it is partially significant. It shows Hulk has the power to hurt PC with a punch, albeit one that is not bracing himself as is the scenario here.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I am FAR from a PCS expert, but even my ass knows he wasn't always depicted as totally invulnerable to forces other than specific weaknesses. All you Superfans know that as well, you are just perpetuating at the moment. And yes Stoic, that's why I placed it above Hulks punch on the Gauntlet.

Yes I realized that was the reason why you placed him above the Savage Hulk in this gauntlet. And yes i believe that a hit from Adam would effect PC Superman, because he was vulnerable to antimatter. One should translate into another, unless DC antimatter is different than Marvel's antimatter. Since that was never stated, i am guessing that at the very least, Superman should be somewhat fazed by it.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yes I realized that was the reason why you placed him above the Savage Hulk in this gauntlet. And yes i believe that a hit from Adam would effect PC Superman, because he was vulnerable to antimatter. One should translate into another, unless DC antimatter is different than Marvel's antimatter. Since that was never stated, i am guessing that at the very least, Superman should be somewhat fazed by it.

The two universes have differences, but if we are to assume that known properties common to both universes operate differently on a fundamental level, we might as well never post any Marvel DC matches.

Shit! Delete.

Originally posted by Stoic
We should take it into consideration, because at times it takes many years to fully flesh out a character. Look at the Sentry for example; the writers don't seem to know how to make heads or tails of this guy. If you're upset at the placing of the gauntlet take it up with the OP. Savage Hulk does not have the same power set as Blue Marvel, nor was it ever stated that PC Superman was weak to gamma radiation unless I somehow missed it. PC Superman on the other hand was stated to be vulnerable to anti matter energy, which is what I am saying. So what I am saying is that I don't see any reason why he would not be lit up by by Adam's antimatter powers, if directed into a punch.

You comparing King Hyperion to PC Superman is also an error, because they aren't the same character, or is King Hyperion weakened by Kryptonite as well? The same can be said that he may not be vulnerable to antimatter.

Now here's the kicker, what if you are incorrect in the future? It would be relevant to this, because they simply did not have enough time to showcase the full limits of his powers, and this is something that takes time. Since when was an energy blast/hit capable of destroying a universe needed to light up PC Superman? I never said anything about that, just that Adam should be able to light him up. Never said anything about killing him, or melting universes. And Sentry started off fighting whole groups of heroes. Blue Marvel did... ?
Sentry from the very start was supposed to be the most powerful hero. Blue Marvel from the very start was supposed to be a Thor level being. Difference.

What? I'm not talking about the gauntlet. I'm saying that Blue Marvel doesn't hit harder than Hulk and thus shouldn't effect him. I don't care about the placement.

What?
The issue with that is EVERY being outside a select few was vulnerable to anti matter. It wasn't because it was a weakness, it was because it obliterates matter. Which King Hyperion was. Only durability and select abilities protected people. There's actually an event about it funnily enough.
But if BM's AM was the same as AM's AM then Hyperion wouldn't have a head. Unless Hyperion is more durable than the entirety of DC.

I fully realize I can be wrong in the future. Never denied it. Which is why I'm actually relying on existing evidence to form my conclusion. You know, if BM stays at the same level of power and doesn't get an outrageous bump in power from what he's shown?
With that said, acting like he can only get more powerful is worse to believe than if he stays the same. You can't play future cards against me when it's easily as applicable to you.

I never said universal blasts were needed to harm Superman. I said that BM should be able to kill almost any DC opponent due to his power. And AM wasn't devastating because of its size. A universal sized AM wave is going to be just as devastating to Superman as a bear sized blast of AM. Which is my point. AM no matter the size is /was lethal. Whether AM drops a house sized blast or a universal sized blast on a Wonder Woman it's still going to have the same potency. Which SHOULD be true of BM too. If he's firing off human sized waves following COIE he should be disintegrating human sized holes in pretty much anything. But he's not. Is he now?

Assuming the potency of BM's power based off COIE and say Galactus isn't going to work when all his shit has shown is that it's basically an energy attack. He ain't done shit to make me believe he seriously effects Superman with it. Ain't shit.

But if you'd like you can show me otherwise with BM scans.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And Sentry started off fighting whole groups of heroes. Blue Marvel did... ?
Sentry from the very start was supposed to be the most powerful hero. Blue Marvel from the very start was supposed to be a Thor level being. Difference.

What? I'm not talking about the gauntlet. I'm saying that Blue Marvel doesn't hit harder than Hulk and thus shouldn't effect him. I don't care about the placement.

What?
The issue with that is EVERY being outside a select few was vulnerable to anti matter. It wasn't because it was a weakness, it was because it obliterates matter. Which King Hyperion was. Only durability and select abilities protected people. There's actually an event about it funnily enough.
But if BM's AM was the same as AM's AM then Hyperion wouldn't have a head. Unless Hyperion is more durable than the entirety of DC.

I fully realize I can be wrong in the future. Never denied it. Which is why I'm actually relying on existing evidence to form my conclusion. You know, if BM stays at the same level of power and doesn't get an outrageous bump in power from what he's shown?
With that said, acting like he can only get more powerful is worse to believe than if he stays the same. You can't play future cards against me when it's easily as applicable to you.

I never said universal blasts were needed to harm Superman. I said that BM should be able to kill almost any DC opponent due to his power. And AM wasn't devastating because of its size. A universal sized AM wave is going to be just as devastating to Superman as a bear sized blast of AM. Which is my point. AM no matter the size is /was lethal. Whether AM drops a house sized blast or a universal sized blast on a Wonder Woman it's still going to have the same potency. Which SHOULD be true of BM too. If he's firing off human sized waves following COIE he should be disintegrating human sized holes in pretty much anything. But he's not. Is he now?

Assuming the potency of BM's power based off COIE and say Galactus isn't going to work when all his shit has shown is that it's basically an energy attack. He ain't done shit to make me believe he seriously effects Superman with it. Ain't shit.

But if you'd like you can show me otherwise with BM scans.

A Thor level hero? Dude, he beat Pagan, Antiman and King Hyperion, straight up in his short existence What do you think the point of those victories were? He also acquitted himself very well while distracted against Sentry, removing him from the battlefield. Hell, he's the Watchers son's godfather! I love these conclusions you arrive at with you as the source.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
A Thor level hero? Dude, he beat Pagan, Antiman and King Hyperion, straight up in his short existence What do you think the point of those victories were? He also acquitted himself very well while distracted against Sentry, removing him from the battlefield. Hell, he's the Watchers son's godfather! I love these conclusions you arrive at with you as the source. So... Thor level?

Though you can bump a Thor vs BM thread and see what the Thor fans make of it.

Naw, Bran is right. In DC especially at the time the antimatter from AM killed anything it touched. There wasn't a specific weakness that was just what happened to all but a select few simply because it destroyed any normal matter that it made contact with.

since it isn't a specific weakness you'd have to prove Blue Marvel's antimatter is anywhere near the level of the Anti-Monitor to use his power as evidence.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So... Thor level?

Though you can bump a Thor vs BM thread and see what the Thor fans make of it.

I am a Thor fan and most people consider Thor and Superman peers. Well BM us Superman soaked in antimatter energy. I don't think it puts him a tier higher, but it gives him a nice edge.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Naw, Bran is right. In DC especially at the time the antimatter from AM killed anything it touched. There wasn't a specific weakness that was just what happened to all but a select few simply because it destroyed any normal matter that it made contact with.

since it isn't a specific weakness you'd have to prove Blue Marvel's antimatter is anywhere near the level of the Anti-Monitor to use his power as evidence.

No, I really wouldnt. Who died and made AM the standard? And again, would antimatter disintegrate Superman in comics?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, I really wouldnt. Who died and made AM the standard? And again, would antimatter disintegrate Superman in comics?

you guys did when you used him as evidence for Blue Marvel being able to mess PC supes up.

That version of Anti-monitor would as he used the power to disintegrate entire universes. So unless you want to argue Blue Marvel would do the same you're argument has no base. Because that is the power you are comparing it to. Superman wasn't vulnerable to Anti-matter the entire dc universe was being killed by it =/

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
you guys did when you used him as evidence for Blue Marvel being able to mess PC supes up.

That version of Anti-monitor would as he used the power to disintegrate entire universes. So unless you want to argue Blue Marvel would do the same you're argument has no base. Because that is the power you are comparing it to

Now you are twisting things. BM does not want to destroy the universe assuming he could. He sort of like a good guy so don't expect him to be depicted similarly. Secondly did AM punch SM in the chest? If he did, did Superman die? I'll wait.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And Sentry started off fighting whole groups of heroes. Blue Marvel did... ?
Sentry from the very start was supposed to be the most powerful hero. Blue Marvel from the very start was supposed to be a Thor level being. Difference.

What? I'm not talking about the gauntlet. I'm saying that Blue Marvel doesn't hit harder than Hulk and thus shouldn't effect him. I don't care about the placement.

What?
The issue with that is EVERY being outside a select few was vulnerable to anti matter. It wasn't because it was a weakness, it was because it obliterates matter. Which King Hyperion was. Only durability and select abilities protected people. There's actually an event about it funnily enough.
But if BM's AM was the same as AM's AM then Hyperion wouldn't have a head. Unless Hyperion is more durable than the entirety of DC.

I fully realize I can be wrong in the future. Never denied it. Which is why I'm actually relying on existing evidence to form my conclusion. You know, if BM stays at the same level of power and doesn't get an outrageous bump in power from what he's shown?
With that said, acting like he can only get more powerful is worse to believe than if he stays the same. You can't play future cards against me when it's easily as applicable to you.

I never said universal blasts were needed to harm Superman. I said that BM should be able to kill almost any DC opponent due to his power. And AM wasn't devastating because of its size. A universal sized AM wave is going to be just as devastating to Superman as a bear sized blast of AM. Which is my point. AM no matter the size is /was lethal. Whether AM drops a house sized blast or a universal sized blast on a Wonder Woman it's still going to have the same potency. Which SHOULD be true of BM too. If he's firing off human sized waves following COIE he should be disintegrating human sized holes in pretty much anything. But he's not. Is he now?

Assuming the potency of BM's power based off COIE and say Galactus isn't going to work when all his shit has shown is that it's basically an energy attack. He ain't done shit to make me believe he seriously effects Superman with it. Ain't shit.

But if you'd like you can show me otherwise with BM scans.

And Sentry was also KO'd by a fed up Blue Marvel. What does that say about his power? I guess that's not enough for you? What is he supposed to do exactly to impress you? It seems like he has to outdo every character in Marvel in order for you to stop low balling him, if that is indeed what you are doing. Seems like it to me, with you saying that he hasn't done shit.

Again if you didn't understand what I said. In comparison to the Savage Hulk, and Blue Marvel, they do not have the same power set, nor was PC Superman invulnerable to everything. In other words PC Superman may not be as hurt by the Hulk's punch as he would be to Blue Marvels, because he was shown to be vulnerable to antimatter. Adam has antimatter powers, you saying whatever it is that you are will not change that, and Superman was vulnerable to antimatter which was my point.

Are you having a problem comprehending that or something? If not I don't see why it would be a stretch for you to understand why I brought up the idea that Adam would be able to affect a guy that was said to be and shown to be vulnerable to antimatter?

The entire DC universe was vulnerable to antimatter at that time, which is the premise of this thread. "PC" get it? Pre effing Crisis. Are you still with me? At this point I really can not tell. PC characters are/were not Marvel characters, and they were vulnerable to antimatter, while Marvel characters were not. The Blue Marvel has antimatter powers. Do you need proof of this as well, or did you not realize this before I brought it up? What PC characters were vulnerable to, does not mean that present day Marvel characters are as well.

Since we know that PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter, it is not hard, or outrageous to imagine that he would be vulnerable to the Blue Marvel's powers. If you somehow do not understand why I am saying this say so, but at this point I'm pretty tired of trying to explain it, because I'm sure that you understand why I'm saying it, and are simply attempting to be contrary for whatever reason it is that you are being this way.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, I really wouldnt. Who died and made AM the standard? And again, would antimatter disintegrate Superman in comics?

It would destroy PC Superman according to what it was capable of in that era.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Good way to start a gauntlet.

But anyway.

1. Nothing

2, This might work actually. Like what DS said.

3. Nothing

4. Death

5. A good chance of nothing

6. Nothing

7. He likely gets moved, unless going by high end showings only

8. Anti-matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit

9. I want to say nothing... so I will. He gets moved by the theory of the IMP, not so much by the feats of it though IMO.

This sounds about right IMO

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Naw, Bran is right. In DC especially at the time the antimatter from AM killed anything it touched. There wasn't a specific weakness that was just what happened to all but a select few simply because it destroyed any normal matter that it made contact with.

since it isn't a specific weakness you'd have to prove Blue Marvel's antimatter is anywhere near the level of the Anti-Monitor to use his power as evidence.

Antimatter is antimatter. If I see a mouse I'm not going to call it a cat. In that era antimatter had a huge effect on PC Superman. This is the guy being used in this thread, not King Hyperion, or Thor, or DCnU Superman. The guy that was vulnerable to antimatter should be vulnerable to Blue Marvel's power. I think Bran is thinking too hard about something simplistic, that has more to do with power set than actual strength, or punching power.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This sounds about right IMO

So 4 sounds about right to you huh?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I am a Thor fan and most people consider Thor and Superman peers. Well BM us Superman soaked in antimatter energy. I don't think it puts him a tier higher, but it gives him a nice edge.

I get what Bran is saying though. He's saying that you can't compare AM antimatter to Blue Marvel's. That's like saying Cyclops Optic blast is equal to Superman's heat vision or in better terms, Thor magic is equal to Odin. Just because Thor and Odin both possess magical abilities doesn't mean the power level of both of their attacks, even if similar, will have the same affect, unless, you have fts. When it comes to Blue Marvel Anti Matter, it really isn't that great ft wise which again is what Bran is asking you for. We can't say this is powerful because of its name...some fts got to come with it. AM anti matter would have turned King Hyperion to dust but when BM used it against Hyperion, it damaged him, but it didn't cause him any physical harm. Remember, the anti matter from AM was melting people with a touch, high end people.

Does BM have fts like this? He really doesnt. You can't use the argument that he's never used it because he has on many of occasions and the results are usually the same. You can't say he can control the frequency of his antimatter without providing proof. What appears to be going on here is that we are giving fts to BM that he has not earned yet and we all know it doesn't work like that. Just because antimatter is something that has been stated as an ability, he does need the fts. That's like me saying "Hulk is stronger than everyone in the Universe because it has been stated that he has unlimited anger". I'll never win that debate. Last comment on this because I like Blue Marvel, I just think people are looking at him wrong (even though he has an amazing track record).

Originally posted by carver9
I get what Bran is saying though. He's saying that you can't compare AM antimatter to Blue Marvel's. That's like saying Cyclops Optic blast is equal to Superman's heat vision or in better terms, Thor magic is equal to Odin. Just because Thor and Odin both possess magical abilities doesn't mean the power level of both of their attacks, even if similar, will have the same affect, unless, you have fts. When it comes to Blue Marvel Anti Matter, it really isn't that great ft wise which again is what Bran is asking you for. We can't say this is powerful because of its name...some fts got to come with it. AM anti matter would have turned King Hyperion to dust but when BM used it against BM, it damaged him, but it didn't cause him any physical harm. Remember, the anti matter from AM was melting people with a touch, high end people.

Does BM have fts like this? He really doesnt. You can't use the argument that he's never used it because he has on many of occasions and the results are usually the same. You can't say he can control the frequency of his antimatter without providing proof. What appears to be going on here is that we are giving fts to BM that he has not earned yet and we all know it doesn't work like that. Just because antimatter is something that has been stated as an ability, he does need the fts. That's like me saying "Hulk is stronger than everyone in the Universe because it has been stated that he has unlimited anger". I'll never win that debate. Last comment on this because I like Blue Marvel, I just think people are looking at him wrong (even though he has an amazing track record). Pretty much.

Carver isn't on my ignore list, and he is wrong. If PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter, he would be vulnerable to Blue Marvel's antimatter powers. It's like the Juggernaut being strong against most things except for magics, and TP assault. Not sure what's so hard to understand about this? The Antimonitor lost much of his potency when later seen when he became a member of the Sinestro sqaud. This alone should show that PC Superman, and that entire era of character's and their universe was more susceptible to antimatter than they became later on. Again we are talking about a character of that era, and to compare them with present era characters is an error. They were simply made of different stuff, and should be considered entirely different characters which they are.

Originally posted by Stoic
Antimatter is antimatter. If I see a mouse I'm not going to call it a cat. In that era antimatter had a huge effect on PC Superman. This is the guy being used in this thread, not King Hyperion, or Thor, or DCnU Superman. The guy that was vulnerable to antimatter should be vulnerable to Blue Marvel's power. I think Bran is thinking too hard about something simplistic, that has more to do with power set than actual strength, or punching power.

Anti-matter is portrayed in varying power levels throughout comics (much like entropy). Here is PC Superman surviving planet-busting anti-matter missile point blank in Superman #205 (the reason is attributed to Superman having a "super matter body"

http://i.imgur.com/WL7OmKY.jpg

Superboy did the same in Superboy #244.

Yet, we know that Superman can't survive Anti Monitor's anti-matter waves. Because he was literally destroying whole universes with them.

Originally posted by operator616
Anti-matter is portrayed in varying power levels throughout comics (much like entropy). Here is PC Superman surviving planet-busting anti-matter missile point blank in Superman #205 (the reason is attributed to Superman having a "super matter body"

http://i.imgur.com/WL7OmKY.jpg

Superboy did the same in Superboy #244.

Yet, we know that Superman can't survive Anti Monitor's anti-matter waves. Because he was literally destroying whole universes with them.

Okay you showed me a bomb in the form of a rocket which Superman stated nearly tore him apart. From the very start of this thread, never once did i say that the Blue Marvel was the equivalent of the Antimonitor. I wasn't the one who brought him into this, and as a matter of fact, I asked "Wasn't PC Superman vulnerable to antimatter?" I then said at the very least that Blue Marvel would light him up. When did light him up turn into destroy him? When was Blue Marvel only as powerful as a rocket filled with antimatter, when he was stated to be a stable reactor of the stuff, or whatever is stated in his bio? Go back and see what I said. I simply disagree with him having no effect on a guy that was stated to be vulnerable to antimatter, and Blue Marvel's powers derive from antimatter. Are we on the same page?

Originally posted by operator616
Anti-matter is portrayed in varying power levels throughout comics (much like entropy). Here is PC Superman surviving planet-busting anti-matter missile point blank in Superman #205 (the reason is attributed to Superman having a "super matter body"

http://i.imgur.com/WL7OmKY.jpg

Superboy did the same in Superboy #244.

Yet, we know that Superman can't survive Anti Monitor's anti-matter waves. Because he was literally destroying whole universes with them.

Well, I guess this ends that debate. Good scan operator.

@Stoic: Right, because you totally didn't say that based on the Pre-Crisis era (which you're only basing off the COIE arc, Anti-Monitor's waves), Superman would get destroyed:

Originally posted by Stoic
It would destroy PC Superman according to what it was capable of in that era.

But whatever.

No it does not end that debate. once again Carver proves that he can not understand what he reads.

Originally posted by operator616
Anti-matter is portrayed in varying power levels throughout comics (much like entropy). Here is PC Superman surviving planet-busting anti-matter missile point blank in Superman #205 (the reason is attributed to Superman having a "super matter body"

http://i.imgur.com/WL7OmKY.jpg

Superboy did the same in Superboy #244.

Yet, we know that Superman can't survive Anti Monitor's anti-matter waves. Because he was literally destroying whole universes with them.

You mean one depiction is not the end all be all in comics? Wow, who would have known?

Thanks dude. Maybe these guys will get back to the fundamentals of debating comic book powers because once Bran spoke, some people's comic IQ's took a nose dive.

The bottom line is this: PC Superman was NOT completely invulnerable like I said. He HAS been hurt by antimatter and BM, even without charging himself with antimatter, PROVED he is capable of KOing Sentry and knocking him in space, a character Bran claims is a tier above BM (based on nothing, of course). The idea that a charged BM punch would have no effect on PC Superman is laughable at best.

Originally posted by carver9
Well, I guess this ends that debate. Good scan operator.

In what way?

Originally posted by operator616
@Stoic: Right, because you totally didn't say that based on the Pre-Crisis era (which you're only basing off the COIE arc, Anti-Monitor's waves), Superman would get destroyed:



But whatever.

True, but let's ignore everything else I said. Why didn't you jump in at that time? My last post came from a false realization, and I did not know that Superman could take even a little antimatter. You showed me something that I did not know. However your scan says that Superman was nearly destroyed by that rocket. Do you believe that, that rocket is more powerful than the Blue Marvel? If that rocket could make him say what he did, how much more would the Blue Marvel do to him?

Originally posted by Stoic
And Sentry was also KO'd by a fed up Blue Marvel. What does that say about his power? I guess that's not enough for you? What is he supposed to do exactly to impress you? It seems like he has to outdo every character in Marvel in order for you to stop low balling him, if that is indeed what you are doing. Seems like it to me, with you saying that he hasn't done shit.

Again if you didn't understand what I said. In comparison to the Savage Hulk, and Blue Marvel, they do not have the same power set, nor was PC Superman invulnerable to everything. In other words PC Superman may not be as hurt by the Hulk's punch as he would be to Blue Marvels, because he was shown to be vulnerable to antimatter. Adam has antimatter powers, you saying whatever it is that you are will not change that, and Superman was vulnerable to antimatter which was my point.

Are you having a problem comprehending that or something? If not I don't see why it would be a stretch for you to understand why I brought up the idea that Adam would be able to affect a guy that was said to be and shown to be vulnerable to antimatter?

The entire DC universe was vulnerable to antimatter at that time, which is the premise of this thread. "PC" get it? Pre effing Crisis. Are you still with me? At this point I really can not tell. PC characters are/were not Marvel characters, and they were vulnerable to antimatter, while Marvel characters were not. The Blue Marvel has antimatter powers. Do you need proof of this as well, or did you not realize this before I brought it up? What PC characters were vulnerable to, does not mean that present day Marvel characters are as well.

Since we know that PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter, it is not hard, or outrageous to imagine that he would be vulnerable to the Blue Marvel's powers. If you somehow do not understand why I am saying this say so, but at this point I'm pretty tired of trying to explain it, because I'm sure that you understand why I'm saying it, and are simply attempting to be contrary for whatever reason it is that you are being this way. Which was prior to Sentry's powerup and in the midst of a slew of bad showings for him.
Lol at lowballing. How in the shit is it lowballing if I don't think he's going to evaporate PC Superman? Did he evaporate abother trans level being that I'm not aware of? I'm not saying the character hasn't done shit either, I've repeatedly and repeatedly said his am hasn't done shit. My entire point is about his am. Everything revolves around his am.
Even with it, he's shown nothing battle wise above what Savage Hulk is capable of. Or is comparing him to the ****ing Hulk lowballing too?

No, you outright thought I was complaining about gauntlet placement. I wasn't. I was saying that BM hasn't done anything above what Hulk has shown. And if Hulk can't do it neither should BM.
But the issue isn't pain. If you're putting BM's am on AM's am level then PC Superman gets holes punched through him. Not based on anything BM has done mind you but power set.

Because BM hasn't done shit with it and you're comparing him to the most devastating event in DC history. Which is my issue there. Not to mention that it opens the door for BM to beat pretty much anyone in DC based on zero feats.

You keep saying vulnerability like it's some sort of weakness. It wasn't a weakness, it was because it ****ing tore through anything. It was an overwhelming power that destroyed an infinite amount of universes. Are you going to tell me that either King Hyperion is more durable than the entirety of DC or that King Hyperion and "all Marvel" characters have some secret X gene to defend against Anti Matter? Even though AM was destroying Red Skull with the Cube and, Galactus used it to ruin the Director of Galador's life. Weakened Thanos was disintegrated by a bomb. Etc.

And you see your problem is that BM has no God dammed feats with it. And it isn't like he hasn't hit people with it. It's extrapolating purely from everyone else but his own feats. What has he himself done with it to make you think he could hurt Superman? What has he done? Why should I extend other people who's am has devastating consequences over to BM who has pretty much used it as a blast? One ****ing feat is all that's needed here. One feat.

But dancing around the subject isn't proving dick. His AM is the literal weakest AM ever shown in comics. It goes against everything we were taught by our great comic ancestors. And you think we should use it at "DC" level just because of its name?

Which is again what I mean when I say his AM ain't shit. It'd be like him having entropy powers but everyone he hits takes it like a champ. It flies in the ****ing face of everything we know to a point that it should be considered a special case.

Originally posted by carver9
It said Superman body went limp after the punch. Superman didn't show back up until a lot of panels later when Hulk was on the verge of nearly destroying the city. Reread the book you suppose to have.

Scan or I call bullshit.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's still anti-matter though, unless DC antimatter is somehow different than Marvel's antimatter. Also Adam seems to hold back a lot, so I'm not sure if it would be within his character to obliterate someone with an antimatter blast. Just saying an antimatter punch from him would probably light PC Superman up. /Shrug

We've seen what happened to Thanos when Drax attached an anti matter pack to his chest.

Total obliteration.

Originally posted by Stoic
True, but let's ignore everything else I said. Why didn't you jump in at that time? My last post came from a false realization, and I did not know that Superman could take even a little antimatter. You showed me something that I did not know. However your scan says that Superman was nearly destroyed by that rocket. Do you believe that, that rocket is more powerful than the Blue Marvel? If that rocket could make him say what he did, how much more would the Blue Marvel do to him?

And I quote:

EEEAAA! I never felt such force! Those asteroids.....being blown to dust! Can even I survive this?

PC Superman's invulnerability. Effected. Antimatter. Didn't destroy the Universe.

Spin this spin doctors.

Originally posted by operator616
Anti-matter is portrayed in varying power levels throughout comics (much like entropy). Here is PC Superman surviving planet-busting anti-matter missile point blank in Superman #205 (the reason is attributed to Superman having a "super matter body"

http://i.imgur.com/WL7OmKY.jpg

Superboy did the same in Superboy #244.

Yet, we know that Superman can't survive Anti Monitor's anti-matter waves. Because he was literally destroying whole universes with them.

While this goes against some of what I've said, it still shows BM's am isn't close to AM level.

And considering who has tanked it from BM, this only farther hurts his case. Which means we should actually look at what BM has done as opposed to what other anti matter has done.

In other words, Anti matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Which was prior to Sentry's powerup and in the midst of a slew of bad showings for him.
Lol at lowballing. How in the shit is it lowballing if I don't think he's going to evaporate PC Superman? Did he evaporate abother trans level being that I'm not aware of? I'm not saying the character hasn't done shit either, I've repeatedly and repeatedly said his am hasn't done shit. My entire point is about his am. Everything revolves around his am.
Even with it, he's shown nothing battle wise above what Savage Hulk is capable of. Or is comparing him to the ****ing Hulk lowballing too?

No, you outright thought I was complaining about gauntlet placement. I wasn't. I was saying that BM hasn't done anything above what Hulk has shown. And if Hulk can't do it neither should BM.
But the issue isn't pain. If you're putting BM's am on AM's am level then PC Superman gets holes punched through him. Not based on anything BM has done mind you but power set.

Because BM hasn't done shit with it and you're comparing him to the most devastating event in DC history. Which is my issue there. Not to mention that it opens the door for BM to beat pretty much anyone in DC based on zero feats.

You keep saying vulnerability like it's some sort of weakness. It wasn't a weakness, it was because it ****ing tore through anything. It was an overwhelming power that destroyed an infinite amount of universes. Are you going to tell me that either King Hyperion is more durable than the entirety of DC or that King Hyperion and "all Marvel" characters have some secret X gene to defend against Anti Matter? Even though AM was destroying Red Skull with the Cube and, Galactus used it to ruin the Director of Galador's life. Weakened Thanos was disintegrated by a bomb. Etc.

And you see your problem is that BM has no God dammed feats with it. And it isn't like he hasn't hit people with it. It's extrapolating purely from everyone else but his own feats. What has he himself done with it to make you think he could hurt Superman? What has he done? Why should I extend other people who's am has devastating consequences over to BM who has pretty much used it as a blast? One ****ing feat is all that's needed here. One feat.

But dancing around the subject isn't proving dick. His AM is the literal weakest AM ever shown in comics. It goes against everything we were taught by our great comic ancestors. And you think we should use it at "DC" level just because of its name?

Which is again what I mean when I say his AM ain't shit. It'd be like him having entropy powers but everyone he hits takes it like a champ. It flies in the ****ing face of everything we know to a point that it should be considered a special case.


WTF do you mean it hasn't done shit???? IT DID WHAT THE DAMN ANIMATTER MISSLE DID, hurt a herald + level being! I'm sorry you talked yourself in a hole when YOU brought up Antimonitor, which was dumb. You are the one that said antimatter is depicted stronger in DC, yet this antimatter missle was largely tanked by Superman and his "Super matter." The problem is your DC brain can't accept that Sentry and King Hype could possibly be as durable as PC Superman. Your world view says it must be that BMs antimatter doesn't work correctly.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
WTF do you mean it hasn't done shit???? IT DID WHAT THE DAMN ANIMATTER MISSLE DID, hurt a herald + level being! I'm sorry you talked yourself in a hole when YOU brought up Antimonitor, which was dumb. You are the one that said antimatter is depicted stronger in DC, yet this antimatter missle was largely tanked by Superman and his "Super matter." The problem is your DC brain can't accept that Sentry and King Hype could possibly be as durable as PC Superman. Your world view says it must be that BMs antimatter doesn't work correctly. Didn't bring up Anti Monitor.
Never said Anti Matter in DC is stronger (outside of BM's pussy anti matter).
Straight up a big lol at my DC brain.
Lol at King Hype and Sentry being as durable as PC Superman.

Blue Marvel has shitty anti matter. Glad we solved that. Open and shut case.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift


While this goes against some of what I've said, it still shows BM's am isn't close to AM level.

And considering who has tanked it from BM, this only farther hurts his case. Which means we should actually look at what BM has done as opposed to what other anti matter has done.

In other words, Anti matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit.

Antimonitor was never a part of the debate, it's just some shit you wedged in to try and prove and point and it backfired. Your debating skills ain't shit. And no, it does not weaken BMs case, it totally validates it. PC Superman was hurt by an antimatter missle if you missed it, the same antimatter that you claimed automatically blows up and all matter in the DC verse.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't bring up Anti Monitor.
Never said Anti Matter in DC is stronger (outside of BM's pussy anti matter).
Straight up a big lol at my DC brain.
Lol at King Hype and Sentry being as durable as PC Superman.

Blue Marvel has shitty anti matter. Glad we solved that. Open and shut case.

Correct, your loss record just went up by a factor of one. LOL at weaksauce notion of DC antimatter vs Marvel antimatter. Stare at the scan again, read Superman's own words and allow your brain to reprogram itself.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Which was prior to Sentry's powerup and in the midst of a slew of bad showings for him.
Lol at lowballing. How in the shit is it lowballing if I don't think he's going to evaporate PC Superman? Did he evaporate abother trans level being that I'm not aware of? I'm not saying the character hasn't done shit either, I've repeatedly and repeatedly said his am hasn't done shit. My entire point is about his am. Everything revolves around his am.
Even with it, he's shown nothing battle wise above what Savage Hulk is capable of. Or is comparing him to the ****ing Hulk lowballing too?

No, you outright thought I was complaining about gauntlet placement. I wasn't. I was saying that BM hasn't done anything above what Hulk has shown. And if Hulk can't do it neither should BM.
But the issue isn't pain. If you're putting BM's am on AM's am level then PC Superman gets holes punched through him. Not based on anything BM has done mind you but power set.

Because BM hasn't done shit with it and you're comparing him to the most devastating event in DC history. Which is my issue there. Not to mention that it opens the door for BM to beat pretty much anyone in DC based on zero feats.

You keep saying vulnerability like it's some sort of weakness. It wasn't a weakness, it was because it ****ing tore through anything. It was an overwhelming power that destroyed an infinite amount of universes. Are you going to tell me that either King Hyperion is more durable than the entirety of DC or that King Hyperion and "all Marvel" characters have some secret X gene to defend against Anti Matter? Even though AM was destroying Red Skull with the Cube and, Galactus used it to ruin the Director of Galador's life. Weakened Thanos was disintegrated by a bomb. Etc.

And you see your problem is that BM has no God dammed feats with it. And it isn't like he hasn't hit people with it. It's extrapolating purely from everyone else but his own feats. What has he himself done with it to make you think he could hurt Superman? What has he done? Why should I extend other people who's am has devastating consequences over to BM who has pretty much used it as a blast? One ****ing feat is all that's needed here. One feat.

But dancing around the subject isn't proving dick. His AM is the literal weakest AM ever shown in comics. It goes against everything we were taught by our great comic ancestors. And you think we should use it at "DC" level just because of its name?

Which is again what I mean when I say his AM ain't shit. It'd be like him having entropy powers but everyone he hits takes it like a champ. It flies in the ****ing face of everything we know to a point that it should be considered a special case.

When did I say that he was going to evaporate PC Superman when I said that he would light him up? You're one to talk, do you recall how you rated this gauntlet? When did Ironfist ever show the power that you seemingly gave him in this thread? i said that Adam would light him up. Maybe you don't understand what that means, but when i said it, I meant that he would be knocked for a loop, at the very least. When at that point did you get evaporate? I'm not understanding why you are comparing the Hulk to Blue Marvel, when they do not have the same power set? i never said that he hits harder than the hulk, but that he possesses a power that PC Superman was vulnerable to. Again do you have trouble understanding this?

No I was guessing that you were complaining about the gauntlet, because the hulk was at a lower peg than the Blue Marvel. If this was not what was on you mind so be it, who cares anyways. I never placed BM on AM's level either. You were the one that began comparing the two. I only kept saying that if PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter that Blue Marvel should be able to light him up. Should I explain what light him up means again?

No again. What I said was that PC anything was stated to be highly vulnerable to antimatter. Don't tell me that i said things that I didn't. And since when was PC Superman greater than anyone, and everyone in DC? Did I ever say any of that? You better go back and look at the OP, because what I understood, was PC Superman was going to be standing there, and taking a fully powered hit from the people in the gauntlet while bracing. Check you own shit out before going thought mines. Look at what you said about number 4. Ridiculous!

I keep saying vulnerability because it was stated that antimatter could affect him. Not like a weakness like Kryptonite. Stop playing word games, I know fully what the words mean, which is why i chose vulnerability. Operator just made it clear that antimatter did not in fact tear through any and everything. Check the scan.

Originally posted by operator616
Anti-matter is portrayed in varying power levels throughout comics (much like entropy). Here is PC Superman surviving planet-busting anti-matter missile point blank in Superman #205 (the reason is attributed to Superman having a "super matter body"

http://i.imgur.com/WL7OmKY.jpg

Superboy did the same in Superboy #244.

Yet, we know that Superman can't survive Anti Monitor's anti-matter waves. Because he was literally destroying whole universes with them.

If he has no feats, then Koing the Sentry must have been nothing Despite Doom being humbled by him in seconds. King Hyperion wasn't a feat? Nearly breaking the moon in two with a medal isn't a feat either I guess?

This like I said before has nothing to do with striking power, or strength, but as I keep stating, on power set. BM's power derives from antimatter, and PC Superman was vulnerable to it. Meaning it could hurt him. What you said about BM was that he would basically do nothing to PC Superman. I disagree.

Originally posted by Stoic
True, but let's ignore everything else I said. Why didn't you jump in at that time? My last post came from a false realization, and I did not know that Superman could take even a little antimatter. You showed me something that I did not know. However your scan says that Superman was nearly destroyed by that rocket. Do you believe that, that rocket is more powerful than the Blue Marvel? If that rocket could make him say what he did, how much more would the Blue Marvel do to him?

Stoic my boy, didn't you know that was DC antimatter? I mean it's stated that DC antimatter is stronger than Marvel antimatter.....somewhere.....I think.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Correct, your loss record just went up by a factor of one. LOL at weaksauce notion of DC antimatter vs Marvel antimatter. Stare at the scan again, read Superman's own words and allow your brain to reprogram itself.

So what if we compare marvel anti matter to marvel anti matter?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/2809529-365773_thanosimperative3___draxvsthanos1_super.jpg

Brans main point isn't to compare anti matter's.. It's that, blue simply doesn't have the feats to claim he could do what Drax's anti matter pack did to Thanos there, or anything close to it.

Basically, BM's anti matter is portrayed as a glorified, amped up Master Blow..

Still waiting on those scan's carver.

Originally posted by Stoic
Check you own shit out before going thought mines. Look at what you said about number 4. Ridiculous!
.

This guy doesn't know about The Fist. Proving that his entire side is wrong by default

Originally posted by cdtm
We've seen what happened to Thanos when Drax attached an anti matter pack to his chest.

Total obliteration.

Thanos was still in a weakened state.

Stoic:

The Iron Fist is MAGIC. It even bypassed Speedball's kinetic field because of magic properties.

PC Superman dies.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
This guy doesn't know about The Fist. Proving that his entire side is wrong by default

So Ironfist could completely evaporate PC Superman, and punches even harder than an IMP punch from the Flash? Like i said ridiculous.

Originally posted by Stoic
When did I say that he was going to evaporate PC Superman when I said that he would light him up? You're one to talk, do you recall how you rated this gauntlet? When did Ironfist ever show the power that you seemingly gave him in this thread? i said that Adam would light him up. Maybe you don't understand what that means, but when i said it, I meant that he would be knocked for a loop, at the very least. When at that point did you get evaporate? I'm not understanding why you are comparing the Hulk to Blue Marvel, when they do not have the same power set? i never said that he hits harder than the hulk, but that he possesses a power that PC Superman was vulnerable to. Again do you have trouble understanding this?

No I was guessing that you were complaining about the gauntlet, because the hulk was at a lower peg than the Blue Marvel. If this was not what was on you mind so be it, who cares anyways. I never placed BM on AM's level either. You were the one that began comparing the two. I only kept saying that if PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter that Blue Marvel should be able to light him up. Should I explain what light him up means again?

No again. What I said was that PC anything was stated to be highly vulnerable to antimatter. Don't tell me that i said things that I didn't. And since when was PC Superman greater than anyone, and everyone in DC? Did I ever say any of that? You better go back and look at the OP, because what I understood, was PC Superman was going to be standing there, and taking a fully powered hit from the people in the gauntlet while bracing. Check you own shit out before going thought mines. Look at what you said about number 4. Ridiculous!

I keep saying vulnerability because it was stated that antimatter could affect him. Not like a weakness like Kryptonite. Stop playing word games, I know fully what the words mean, which is why i chose vulnerability. Operator just made it clear that antimatter did not in fact tear through any and everything. Check the scan.



If he has no feats, then Koing the Sentry must have been nothing Despite Doom being humbled by him in seconds. King Hyperion wasn't a feat? Nearly breaking the moon in two with a medal isn't a feat either I guess?

This like I said before has nothing to do with striking power, or strength, but as I keep stating, on power set. BM's power derives from antimatter, and PC Superman was vulnerable to it. Meaning it could hurt him. What you said about BM was that he would basically do nothing to PC Superman. I disagree.

"Light him up", as in like an antimatter missile.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Antimonitor was never a part of the debate, it's just some shit you wedged in to try and prove and point and it backfired. Your debating skills ain't shit. And no, it does not weaken BMs case, it totally validates it. PC Superman was hurt by an antimatter missle if you missed it, the same antimatter that you claimed automatically blows up and all matter in the DC verse.

Stoic brought up AM.
Originally posted by Stoic
Wasn't Superman and other Kryptonians vulnerable to antimatter during the Crisis of Infinite Earths?

You being the master of debating would carry the most weight in who can debate I think. Maybe I'll go back to the drawing board.

Though I admitted it goes against some things I said. I'm glad you posted that scan to prove me wrong on some aspects... When you posted that scan.



Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Correct, your loss record just went up by a factor of one. LOL at weaksauce notion of DC antimatter vs Marvel antimatter. Stare at the scan again, read Superman's own words and allow your brain to reprogram itself. Did I lose to you in this debate? In your angry tiny no point posts? Well, dang, thanks for the loss doc.

I have never stated anything about DC antimatter vs Marvel antimatter. In fact I stated the exact opposite.

You do realize that if anti matter is variable that that farther pushes BM's abilities with out in its own corner don't you? I was just arguing that it's a special case. Now you think AM being variable helps in any way? I don't get it.

All this does if indeed correct and not another example of a special am case is mean we should take Blue Marvel in a bubble. IE, judge him of his own merits, not of others. If indeed the case it's the difference between Galactus' PC and Surfer's PC.

I don't get why I'm trying to explain this to a halfwit though. Maybe I do indeed lose again.

Originally posted by Stoic
So Ironfist could completely evaporate PC Superman, and punches even harder than an IMP punch from the Flash?

Yes to both

Originally posted by cdtm
Stoic:

The Iron Fist is MAGIC. It even bypassed Speedball's kinetic field because of magic properties.

PC Superman dies.

Oh yeah? Ask Leo, h1 and Abhi if they agree.

Originally posted by cdtm
So what if we compare marvel anti matter to marvel anti matter?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/2809529-365773_thanosimperative3___draxvsthanos1_super.jpg

Brans main point isn't to compare anti matter's.. It's that, blue simply doesn't have the feats to claim he could do what Drax's anti matter pack did to Thanos there, or anything close to it.

Basically, BM's anti matter is portrayed as a glorified, amped up Master Blow..

Wasn't Thanos still in a weakened state at the time of that incident? Context?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Oh yeah? Ask Leo, h1 and Abhi if they agree.

Them being wrong changes nothing

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Yes to both

Find where I stated that BM would evaporate PC Superman. I said that it would light him up. Do you recall this? i didn't say anything about any of the other characters in this thread except for my doubts that Ironfist was capable of hitting harder than anyone in the thread.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Oh yeah? Ask Leo, h1 and Abhi if they agree.

Abhi's argued against PC Supes's magic weakness?

I'd like to see that argument, with all the times he's been stopped cold by anything with a hint of magic to it.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wasn't Thanos still in a weakened state at the time of that incident? Context?

He was weakened. But it's still Thanos.

Originally posted by Stoic
except for my doubts that Ironfist was capable of hitting harder than anyone in the thread.

And the whole argument falls apart

Originally posted by cdtm
Abhi's argued against PC Supes's magic weakness?

I'd like to see that argument, with all the times he's been stopped cold by anything with a hint of magic to it.

What about the context to Thanos being obliterated by Drax's grenade?

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
And the whole argument falls apart

Not at all. I still doubt it.

Originally posted by cdtm
He was weakened. But it's still Thanos.

If he wasn't weakened the obliteration may not have happened. He's been through worse, and remained intact. What you tried to do was spin something, while leaving out context. Wonder why you'd do something like that? Hmmm...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift


Stoic brought up AM.


You being the master of debating would carry the most weight in who can debate I think. Maybe I'll go back to the drawing board.

Though I admitted it goes against some things I said. I'm glad you posted that scan to prove me wrong on some aspects... When you posted that scan.



Did I lose to you in this debate? In your angry tiny no point posts? Well, dang, thanks for the loss doc.

I have never stated anything about DC antimatter vs Marvel antimatter. In fact I stated the exact opposite.

You do realize that if anti matter is variable that that farther pushes BM's abilities with out in its own corner don't you? I was just arguing that it's a special case. Now you think AM being variable helps in any way? I don't get it.

All this does if indeed correct and not another example of a special am case is mean we should take Blue Marvel in a bubble. IE, judge him of his own merits, not of others. If indeed the case it's the difference between Galactus' PC and Surfer's PC.

I don't get why I'm trying to explain this to a halfwit though. Maybe I do indeed lose again.

No cutey, I think that when you have MORE OF something explosive, it tends to do more damage. And I find it HILARIOUS that you now want to judge BM by his own merit when before, AM was the standard........until the scans of PC Superman getting raped by an antimatter missile popped up.

Dude, you REALLY need to get that Super STD checked ASAP. I laugh at how you guys can't see yourselves. You hold him up as the be all and end all and judge the rest of the comic world by what you perceive his standard to be and you apply that to an entirely different comic book universe. The ironic thing is all of this is that you fail to properly evaluate PC Superman in the first damn place. You remind me of certain people in American who uphold the 1950's as some sort of utopia that never actually existed.

You think that we are the superman fanboys?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No cutey, I think that when you have MORE OF something explosive, it tends to do more damage. And I find it HILARIOUS that you now want to judge BM by his own merit when before, AM was the standard........until the scans of PC Superman getting raped by an antimatter missile popped up.

Dude, you REALLY need to get that Super STD checked ASAP. I laugh at how you guys can't see yourselves. You hold him up as the be all and end all and judge the rest of the comic world by what you perceive his standard to be and you apply that to an entirely different comic book universe. The ironic thing is all of this is that you fail to properly evaluate PC Superman in the first damn place. You remind me of certain people in American who uphold the 1950's as some sort of utopia that never actually existed. Why do you think DC created Crisis?

Originally posted by Stoic
If he wasn't weakened the obliteration may not have happened. He's been through worse, and remained intact. What you tried to do was spin something, while leaving out context. Wonder why you'd do something like that? Hmmm...

Thanos's durability isn't psionic based, as far as I'm aware. Yes, Rocket bluffed Thanos in believing he was vulnerable to his "super weapon", but Thanos's mind wasn't at 100% operating capacity.. His invulnerability is independent from his mental state.

I don't see how needing time to regain his footing after spending an extended time in hibernation has any bearing on his physical durability.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
You think that we are the superman fanboys?

No, just the Superman fanboys.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No cutey, I think that when you have MORE OF something explosive, it tends to do more damage. And I find it HILARIOUS that you now want to judge BM by his own merit when before, AM was the standard........until the scans of PC Superman getting raped by an antimatter missile popped up.

Dude, you REALLY need to get that Super STD checked ASAP. I laugh at how you guys can't see yourselves. You hold him up as the be all and end all and judge the rest of the comic world by what you perceive his standard to be and you apply that to an entirely different comic book universe. The ironic thing is all of this is that you fail to properly evaluate PC Superman in the first damn place. You remind me of certain people in American who uphold the 1950's as some sort of utopia that never actually existed.

He's right, I brought up Am as in antimatter, not the Antimonitor. He brought up the Antimonitor top raise the stakes, and make it seem like a stated something that I never did. it's what people do when they are wrong, and too small to admit it. They then attempt to slide their shit onto you. If you're soft headed enough like a few on this board are, it works, if not, they run to plan B, and so on.

Originally posted by cdtm
Thanos's durability isn't psionic based, as far as I'm aware. Yes, Rocket bluffed Thanos in believing he was vulnerable to his "super weapon", but Thanos's mind wasn't at 100% operating capacity.. His invulnerability is independent from his mental state.

I don't see how needing time to regain his footing after spending an extended time in hibernation has any bearing on his physical durability.

It was said REPEATEDLY throughout that story arc that I own that Thanos was weakened from the sleep state. What do you think that means?

Originally posted by Stoic
He's right, I brought up Am as in antimatter, not the Antimonitor. He brought up the Antimonitor top raise the stakes, and make it seem like a stated something that I never did. it's what people do when they are wrong, and too small to admit it. They then attempt to slide their shit onto you. If you're soft headed enough like a few on this board are, it works, if not, they run to plan B, and so on.

Considering you specifically named COIE, the event where everyone was being killed by Anti-monitor using antimatter. It's pretty obvious you were bringing him up. Or why name drop his storyline specifically and state about it proving your case?

Originally posted by cdtm
Thanos's durability isn't psionic based, as far as I'm aware. Yes, Rocket bluffed Thanos in believing he was vulnerable to his "super weapon", but Thanos's mind wasn't at 100% operating capacity.. His invulnerability is independent from his mental state.

I don't see how needing time to regain his footing after spending an extended time in hibernation has any bearing on his physical durability.

Thanos has survived from worse when he was at full capacity though. So unless that grenade was more powerful than it appeared, it shouldn't have done to Thanos what it did. For it to have done that to thanos who has survived having a star blow up in his face, it would have killed all of the GOTG with him. Here's a good question for you. Where do you think antimatter comes from? Stars? As I said, a star blew up in his face, and he survived it. What does that say to you?

Originally posted by Stoic
He's right, I brought up Am as in antimatter, not the Antimonitor. He brought up the Antimonitor top raise the stakes, and make it seem like a stated something that I never did. it's what people do when they are wrong, and too small to admit it. They then attempt to slide their shit onto you. If you're soft headed enough like a few on this board are, it works, if not, they run to plan B, and so on.

Amen. I wonder if, since Branlor admitted he was wrong about DC antimatter, if he will go back and do the gauntlet again. I appreciated that he actually did it while all these other guys weighing in simply leached on.

Oh, and where the FUC did Carver go?? "I-I know what Branlor is saying...... Then he declares the debate over and dips!!

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Considering you specifically named COIE, the event where everyone was being killed by Anti-monitor using antimatter. It's pretty obvious you were bringing him up. Or why name drop his storyline specifically and state about it proving your case?

I specifically brought it up to show that Krytonians were vulnerable to antimatter. it was never meant to compare BM to the Antimonitor, nor was i the one that began comparing the two.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It was said REPEATEDLY throughout that story arc that I own that Thanos was weakened from the sleep state. What do you think that means?

Lets say you're struck with a bad case of the flu.. You'll be seriously weakened, lethargic, and maybe even barely able to stand.

But your basic "durability", like the hardness of your bones and muscle tissue's will remain the same.

For a human being, being in a weakened state means a lot in a fight.. But this is friggan Thanos we're talking about. If Thor ran up to him in this weakened state and hit him with everything he's got, I doubt he'd do any real damage.

Originally posted by Stoic
I specifically brought it up to show that Krytonians were vulnerable to antimatter. it was never meant to compare BM to the Antimonitor, nor was i the one that began comparing the two.

Except that you did just that several times

Originally posted by Stoic
I specifically brought it up to show that Krytonians were vulnerable to antimatter. it was never meant to compare BM to the Antimonitor, nor was i the one that began comparing the two.

Correct, you did not compare Anti monitor to Blue Marvel. It would be great if the people who actually did that actually took responsibility.

Oh, and thanks everyone for not acknowledging my correct assumption that PC Superman would not be killed by DC antimatter. The missile scan proved me right.

Originally posted by cdtm
Lets say you're struck with a bad case of the flu.. You'll be seriously weakened, lethargic, and maybe even barely able to stand.

But your basic "durability", like the hardness of your bones and muscle tissue's will remain the same.

For a human being, being in a weakened state means a lot in a fight.. But this is friggan Thanos we're talking about. If Thor ran up to him in this weakened state and hit him with everything he's got, I doubt he'd do any real damage.

Thanos was weakened. It never states to what degree, or even compares it to having the flu. His entire being was likely weakened. As I said he survived far worse, and remained intact. So unless that grenade had more punch than a star which is actually where antimatter comes from, it should have also destroyed the GOTG in the process. Pretty simple really, or at least I think it is. Thanos was weak as hell during that scene.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Except that you did just that several times

No he did not say that BMs antimatter would disintegrate Superman, he said it would "light him up." Are you really going to lie when the quote is in the thread?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No he did not say that BMs antimatter would disintegrate Superman, he said it would "light him up." Are you really going to lie when the quote is in the thread?

He said he wasn't comparing them or using him as his point. So yeah he did just that

Originally posted by Stoic
When did I say that he was going to evaporate PC Superman when I said that he would light him up? You're one to talk, do you recall how you rated this gauntlet? When did Ironfist ever show the power that you seemingly gave him in this thread? i said that Adam would light him up. Maybe you don't understand what that means, but when i said it, I meant that he would be knocked for a loop, at the very least. When at that point did you get evaporate? I'm not understanding why you are comparing the Hulk to Blue Marvel, when they do not have the same power set? i never said that he hits harder than the hulk, but that he possesses a power that PC Superman was vulnerable to. Again do you have trouble understanding this? Originally posted by Stoic
It would destroy PC Superman according to what it was capable of in that era.

When didn't Iron Fist show the power is the real question.

You said "light him up" but you were basing your entire logic on COIE. Which had AM absolutely crushing anything it hit. Do you understand how bad that comes off?

Because he doesn't hit harder than Hulk even with his amps. It's a comparable example. Especially moreso when you considering AM being everybody's weakness, which you continue to only attribute to Superman. Superman is no more vulnerable to it than King Hyperion would be. Yet he still hit him with it.

What you're doing is acting like BM anti mattering his hands acts as a weakness for Superman and therefore it's more damaging. What you're doing is acting like he's wrapping his hands in magic. But considering anti matter is no more Superman's weakness than Hyperion's, that type of notion makes no sense. Even with the wrapped hands he is still not showing any more sort of damage than what Hulk is capable of.

Originally posted by Stoic
No I was guessing that you were complaining about the gauntlet, because the hulk was at a lower peg than the Blue Marvel. If this was not what was on you mind so be it, who cares anyways. I never placed BM on AM's level either. You were the one that began comparing the two. I only kept saying that if PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter that Blue Marvel should be able to light him up. Should I explain what light him up means again? Right, so exactly what I said?

But you compared it to the events of COIE:
Originally posted by Stoic
Wasn't Superman and other Kryptonians vulnerable to antimatter during the Crisis of Infinite Earths?

IE, you compared it to AM.

I think we all know what your "light him up means".



Originally posted by Stoic
No again. What I said was that PC anything was stated to be highly vulnerable to antimatter. Don't tell me that i said things that I didn't. And since when was PC Superman greater than anyone, and everyone in DC? Did I ever say any of that? You better go back and look at the OP, because what I understood, was PC Superman was going to be standing there, and taking a fully powered hit from the people in the gauntlet while bracing. Check you own shit out before going thought mines. Look at what you said about number 4. Ridiculous! Originally posted by Stoic
It would destroy PC Superman according to what it was capable of in that era.

I agree, Iron Fist is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Stoic
I keep saying vulnerability because it was stated that antimatter could affect him. Not like a weakness like Kryptonite. Stop playing word games, I know fully what the words mean, which is why i chose vulnerability. Operator just made it clear that antimatter did not in fact tear through any and everything. Check the scan. While comparing it to COIE.

And anything can effect Superman... if it's on the right level. That isn't a vulnerability, it's called "the other guy is really ****ing powerful".

I checked it. Either again, that's a special case like BM, or it's a sliding scale of power. And where do you think the guy who hasn't destroyed shit with it fall?

It really doesn't matter if AM varies in power, or if it stays the same and BM is just pathetic with it. Either I'm wrong on one aspect in one part, or I'm right. But the end point stays the same. Blue Marvel is still pathetic with it. And either point you choose, you're still going to have to break out the BM scans to defend him, as opposed to defending him with other sources. In fact if anything, AM varying in power hurts way worse against BM than just BM being a special shitty case. Because it severs the connection to other cases completely and utterly.

But again, either way. He's still not hurting PC Superman with it.



Originally posted by Stoic
If he has no feats, then Koing the Sentry must have been nothing Despite Doom being humbled by him in seconds. King Hyperion wasn't a feat? Nearly breaking the moon in two with a medal isn't a feat either I guess?

This like I said before has nothing to do with striking power, or strength, but as I keep stating, on power set. BM's power derives from antimatter, and PC Superman was vulnerable to it. Meaning it could hurt him. What you said about BM was that he would basically do nothing to PC Superman. I disagree. I never said he has no feats. I get it, he's very strong. I said his anti matter has shit for feats. There's a difference.
He's hitting people with his high level strength and anti matter. I don't get how we're attributing that more to his anti matter than strength, even if.
And nearly breaking the moon in half is so much not a feat for anti matter it's ridiculous. At least with Sentry we can assume his off panel hit was wrapped in anti matter. With the moon one? No

Well, both of them have to do with strength and striking power considering anti matter didn't knock Sentry into space and anti matter was nowhere to be seen in the moon feat.

And you seem to be under the impression I think Blue Marvel is weak. He isn't. He's a Thor/Hulk level being. The issue is that you could literally take away his origins of AM and nothing about him would change assuming his power stayed the same. His AM is rather meaningless tbh. It does nothing for him. He could have the power cosmic and nothing would change.

It's just that his anti matter blasts or punches on their own seem to add dick all besides energy applications. They are basically energy fists or blasts. And considering Superman doesn't have a weakness to them (which you yourself admitted), you would then have to prove the raw power of them instead of proving the anti and matter of them.

Which is what my entire argument has been about. Which is what my entire discussion of Hulk has been about. His power with them aren't on the level to "light Superman up". If you take away the AM origins then you'd be damned pressed to prove anything of value for him. And considering you want to go to the sliding degree of power angle for AM, then that makes it even less comparable to any other AM showing in comics. There's no reason it's anymore than just some energy attack at that point.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No cutey, I think that when you have MORE OF something explosive, it tends to do more damage. And I find it HILARIOUS that you now want to judge BM by his own merit when before, AM was the standard........until the scans of PC Superman getting raped by an antimatter missile popped up.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because it's just an amped punch with the words "anti-matter" peppered into it with no connection to what anti-matter has accomplished in the hands of others. If it was purely anti-matter he would have obliterated Sentry and King Hyperion with it.

There's no reason it should be stronger than a Hulk punch based on feats.

Hence:
Anti-matter from Blue Marvel ain't shit


I've always wanted to judge BM based off his own merits. Like... the whole reason I asked for feats of him evaporating things was to judge him off his own merits. In fact I repeatedly stated such.

It's like talking to a tree who has mental retardation. I'll just reply to Stoic from now on. You're too stupid and trollish.

Originally posted by cdtm
Lets say you're struck with a bad case of the flu.. You'll be seriously weakened, lethargic, and maybe even barely able to stand.

But your basic "durability", like the hardness of your bones and muscle tissue's will remain the same.

For a human being, being in a weakened state means a lot in a fight.. But this is friggan Thanos we're talking about. If Thor ran up to him in this weakened state and hit him with everything he's got, I doubt he'd do any real damage.

So in other words, let's say Thanos was sick? The comic didn't say he was sick, he said weakned. And I think Thor would do all kinds of damage to a weakened Thanos.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Except that you did just that several times

And who brought up the Antimonitor? My entire argument on the entire thing was that Adam should be able to light a guy up that was said to be vulnerable to antimatter. Do you understand this, or should I say it in some way that you will? It was later shown that antimatter had varying degrees of potency in PC DC, and was corrected, but it still had an effect on PC Superman to the point that he says that it nearly destroyed him.

Originally posted by Stoic
And who brought up the Antimonitor? My entire argument on the entire thing was that Adam should be able to light a guy up that was said to be vulnerable to antimatter. Do you understand this, or should I say it in some way that you will? It was later shown that antimatter had varying degrees of potency in PC DC, and was corrected, but it still had an effect on PC Superman to the point that he says that it nearly destroyed him.

By example of Antimonitor with the basis if the universe buster effected him the same way he affected 90% of people blue marvel would. You can deny it all you want but you did. You are just trying to deny it because it was a bad argument.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
He said he wasn't comparing them or using him as his point. So yeah he did just that

He did not compare them, so hes right. You for some reason are making shit up.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
By example of Antimonitor with the basis if the universe buster effected him the same way he affected 90% of people blue marvel would. You can deny it all you want but you did. You are just trying to deny it because it was a bad argument.

When did I say that BM was as powerful as the Antimonitor? Show me this.

Originally posted by Stoic
When did I say that BM was as powerful as the Antimonitor? Show me this.

I can't but I can show you stating several times that Antimonitor effecting him is proof that Blue marvel would. And saying how because antimatter is antimatter his feats with it don't matter because of COIE. Also known as the event where a guy beat with his overwhelming power and not a specific weakness.

Bran quoted them above, but if you want to keep claiming we are lying about your own comparisons and "evidence" I can too

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
When didn't Iron Fist show the power is the real question.

You said "light him up" but you were basing your entire logic on COIE. Which had AM absolutely crushing anything it hit. Do you understand how bad that comes off?

Because he doesn't hit harder than Hulk even with his amps. It's a comparable example. Especially moreso when you considering AM being everybody's weakness, which you continue to only attribute to Superman. Superman is no more vulnerable to it than King Hyperion would be. Yet he still hit him with it.

What you're doing is acting like BM anti mattering his hands acts as a weakness for Superman and therefore it's more damaging. What you're doing is acting like he's wrapping his hands in magic. But considering anti matter is no more Superman's weakness than Hyperion's, that type of notion makes no sense. Even with the wrapped hands he is still not showing any more sort of damage than what Hulk is capable of.

Right, so exactly what I said?

But you compared it to the events of COIE:


IE, you compared it to AM.

I think we all know what your "light him up means".





I agree, Iron Fist is ridiculous.

While comparing it to COIE.

And anything can effect Superman... if it's on the right level. That isn't a vulnerability, it's called "the other guy is really ****ing powerful".

I checked it. Either again, that's a special case like BM, or it's a sliding scale of power. And where do you think the guy who hasn't destroyed shit with it fall?

It really doesn't matter if AM varies in power, or if it stays the same and BM is just pathetic with it. Either I'm wrong on one aspect in one part, or I'm right. But the end point stays the same. Blue Marvel is still pathetic with it. And either point you choose, you're still going to have to break out the BM scans to defend him, as opposed to defending him with other sources. In fact if anything, AM varying in power hurts way worse against BM than just BM being a special shitty case. Because it severs the connection to other cases completely and utterly.

But again, either way. He's still not hurting PC Superman with it.



I never said he has no feats. I get it, he's very strong. I said his anti matter has shit for feats. There's a difference.
He's hitting people with his high level strength and anti matter. I don't get how we're attributing that more to his anti matter than strength, even if.
And nearly breaking the moon in half is so much not a feat for anti matter it's ridiculous. At least with Sentry we can assume his off panel hit was wrapped in anti matter. With the moon one? No

Well, both of them have to do with strength and striking power considering anti matter didn't knock Sentry into space and anti matter was nowhere to be seen in the moon feat.

And you seem to be under the impression I think Blue Marvel is weak. He isn't. He's a Thor/Hulk level being. The issue is that you could literally take away his origins of AM and nothing about him would change assuming his power stayed the same. His AM is rather meaningless tbh. It does nothing for him. He could have the power cosmic and nothing would change.

It's just that his anti matter blasts or punches on their own seem to add dick all besides energy applications. They are basically energy fists or blasts. And considering Superman doesn't have a weakness to them (which you yourself admitted), you would then have to prove the raw power of them instead of proving the anti and matter of them.

Which is what my entire argument has been about. Which is what my entire discussion of Hulk has been about. His power with them aren't on the level to "light Superman up". If you take away the AM origins then you'd be damned pressed to prove anything of value for him. And considering you want to go to the sliding degree of power angle for AM, then that makes it even less comparable to any other AM showing in comics. There's no reason it's anymore than just some energy attack at that point.




I've always wanted to judge BM based off his own merits. Like... the whole reason I asked for feats of him evaporating things was to judge him off his own merits. In fact I repeatedly stated such.

It's like talking to a tree who has mental retardation. I'll just reply to Stoic from now on. You're too stupid and trollish.

So you want a feat even though several feats were given to you pages ago, and I'm the troll? I tell you what you animated turd, show me a feat of an antimatter missile evaporating PC Superman since now you want evaporation or nothing. The feats are there, you just want to lowball them. Just to recap, Antiman was owning a Mighty Avengers team that included Ironman, Sentry, Wonderman, Ms. Marvel and Ares. Blue Marvel told them to fall back and shitcanned the herald buster. Now, I'm sorry if all you can say to that is "I am Groot", but that IS a feat for BM. As is beating down Hyperion, as is kicking Pagan's ass. Those scans put you in an intellectual coma. Evaporation....

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I can't but I can show you stating several times that Antimonitor effecting him is proof that Blue marvel would. And saying how because antimatter is antimatter his feats with it don't matter because of COIE. Also known as the event where a guy beat with his overwhelming power and not a specific weakness.

Bran quoted them above, but if you want to keep claiming we are lying about your own comparisons and "evidence" I can too

Yeah, uh, crazy people's evidence is not that same as normal people's evidence. I don't expect you to know that difference at this point, but I'll try once more. When did he compare BM to Antimonitor? Here's a lifeline- he didn't. Ah! Stop whining, he didn't compare them and you are 100% wrong, THE END.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I can't but I can show you stating several times that Antimonitor effecting him is proof that Blue marvel would. And saying how because antimatter is antimatter his feats with it don't matter because of COIE. Also known as the event where a guy beat with his overwhelming power and not a specific weakness.

Bran quoted them above, but if you want to keep claiming we are lying about your own comparisons and "evidence" I can too

Man, pluck him, he's not even interesting. Now, on the other hand, Branlor wants "evaporation" feats. If you don't have those, you are toast.

Bran, once again I will say what I thought, and it is not up for interpretation. Pre Crisis Krytoniams were said to be vulnerable which I am using as the word to express their physical relationship to a form of energy that can hurt them, and not using it in terms of it being a weakness of theirs like Krytonite is. If they are vulnerable to antimatter, because it can hurt them, i believe that the Blue Marvel can also hurt PC Superman, which is what I meant when i said that it could light him up. Not evaporate him like you began to say. This is not something that i ever stated. You stated this. Do not slide that bullshit my way. If a rocket filled with antimatter was able to make PC Superman say that it almost destroyed him in the scan presented by Operator, I do believe that the Blue marvel would indeed be able to light him up, since King Hyperion was not the weak scrub that you are trying to make him out to be. if you disagree with this fine, I will not try to stop you from whatever you believe, but do not attempt to tell me what it is that i was thinking, when i have told you what I was thinking several times already.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I can't but I can show you stating several times that Antimonitor effecting him is proof that Blue marvel would. And saying how because antimatter is antimatter his feats with it don't matter because of COIE. Also known as the event where a guy beat with his overwhelming power and not a specific weakness.

Bran quoted them above, but if you want to keep claiming we are lying about your own comparisons and "evidence" I can too

No. You can't because this is not what I was saying. what i am saying, and said was that if antimatter could effect PC Superman, then the Blue Marvel would have an effect on him as well. I never meant to say that it would kill him, and at that point I may have been caught up in all of the BS surrounding something as simple as me stating that it would light him up. The Antimonitor was far more powerful than BM. i know this, and you know this. However was the rocket that nearly destroyed him that much more powerful than BM? Was it even as powerful as he is? Based on what he did on the Moon, i would say absolutely not.

Maybe the problem is that Bran's hand is a little too shaky to click on the link op provided. Let me help him out.


http://i.imgur.com/WL7OmKY.jpg

So yeah, a 5th grader can see that PC Superman gets fuced by relatively small amounts of antimatter.

Originally posted by Stoic
Bran, once again I will say what I thought, and it is not up for interpretation. Pre Crisis Krytoniams were said to be vulnerable which I am using as the word to express their physical relationship to a form of energy that can hurt them, and not using it in terms of it being a weakness of theirs like Krytonite is. If they are vulnerable to antimatter, because it can hurt them, i believe that the Blue Marvel can also hurt PC Superman, which is what I meant when i said that it could light him up. Not evaporate him like you began to say. This is not something that i ever stated. You stated this. Do not slide that bullshit my way. If a rocket filled with antimatter was able to make PC Superman say that it almost destroyed him in the scan presented by Operator, I do believe that the Blue marvel would indeed be able to light him up, since King Hyperion was not the weak scrub that you are trying to make him out to be. if you disagree with this fine, I will not try to stop you from whatever you believe, but do not attempt to tell me what it is that i was thinking, when i have told you what I was thinking several times already. If you say so.
But even if, and giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but even if, you have to understand that using COIE to bring forth evidence of some sort of weakness comes off completely terrible.
It'd be like me using Silver Surfer getting beat by Galactus as evidence that Nova can "light him up" and later "destroy him based on COIE". It sets a bad precedence, and leads right into a corner.

Now with that said. Not all explosives are the same, and especially not a ****ing rocket full of anti matter. It's its own little world. Not to mention that was explosive and severely damaging on its own. Blue Marvel's AM on its own is fully underwhelming to compare it to that.
Not to mention the rocket was a goddamned "world wrecking blast". Like how is BM even being compared to that with his bunk ass anti matter?

And again, he was "cutting loose" against King Hyperion. And King Hyperion even took a cheapshot anti matter blast. But as soon as Blue Marvel's strength entered the fray with his energy KH was done. I don't get how we're attributing that purely to AM when AM was a side effect of BM cutting loose and it was continually hitting KH throughout. He is strong. And King Hyperion is nowhere near PC Superman in durability. Nowhere near.
And considering based on the gauntlet (before Vet changes it due to immense butthurt), Blue Marvel is only delivering one punch:
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Superman appears from the past and \ wants to prove to himself and eveyone else that he is a Gee and his invulnerability is as good as there has ever been. He enters this gauntlet of punches to the chest. At what point is he effected?

1. A cybernatic arm punch from the Winter Soldier.

2. A strategically placed weakness punch by Karnak.

3. A energy punch from Gauntlet.

4. A full on Chi charged punch from Ironfist.

5. A Master Blow from Black Bolt.

6. A Savage Hulk haymaker.

7. A Horus Claw planetary punch by Hawkman.

8. An Antimatter right from Blue Marvel.

9. An Infinite Mass punch from Flash.


It seems completely ridiculous to assume he hurts PC Superman with it. I'm not nor have I ever argued that he couldn't hurt him over time, but his AM ain't shit and he isn't doing shit to Superman here.

Superman is too durable for BM's whack ass AM, and too durable for his strength. Like I said before, it's basically like Hulk taking a swing at him, considering it's not a weakness, it just amps his strikes.

I see that you chose the word weakness. I said vulnerability. Are you having trouble reading what it was that i said? I explicitly said what I meant Bran. Kryptonite is his weakness, magic, reality warping, and antimatter was his vulnerability.

Originally posted by Stoic
I see that you chose the word weakness. I said vulnerability. Are you having trouble reading what it was that i said? I explicitly said what I meant Bran. Kryptonite is his weakness, magic, reality warping, and antimatter was his vulnerability. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And anything can effect Superman... if it's on the right level. That isn't a vulnerability, it's called "the other guy is really ****ing powerful".

You're doing that thing again where you specifically keep pointing something out and then act like a big misunderstanding is had.

If it isn't a weakness, then it's straight up irrelevant. Also magic was completely his weakness.

Superman is also vulnerable to getting punched in the face though, but I wouldn't bring that up with a being incapable of hurting him. The only thing PC Superman was invulnerable to was pussy. EVERYTHING else was either a vulnerability or a weakness. It's really meaningless. All it turns into at that stage is a power competition if it isn't a weakness discussion, which you admitted it wasn't.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you say so.
But even if, and giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but even if, you have to understand that using COIE to bring forth evidence of some sort of weakness comes off completely terrible.
It'd be like me using Silver Surfer getting beat by Galactus as evidence that Nova can "light him up" and later "destroy him based on COIE". It sets a bad precedence, and leads right into a corner.

Now with that said. Not all explosives are the same, and especially not a ****ing rocket full of anti matter. It's its own little world. Not to mention that was explosive and severely damaging on its own. Blue Marvel's AM on its own is fully underwhelming to compare it to that.
Not to mention the rocket was a goddamned "world wrecking blast". Like how is BM even being compared to that with his bunk ass anti matter?

And again, he was "cutting loose" against King Hyperion. And King Hyperion even took a cheapshot anti matter blast. But as soon as Blue Marvel's strength entered the fray with his energy KH was done. I don't get how we're attributing that purely to AM when AM was a side effect of BM cutting loose and it was continually hitting KH throughout. He is strong. And King Hyperion is nowhere near PC Superman in durability. Nowhere near.
And considering based on the gauntlet (before Vet changes it due to immense butthurt), Blue Marvel is only delivering one punch:



It seems completely ridiculous to assume he hurts PC Superman with it. I'm not nor have I ever argued that he couldn't hurt him over time, but his AM ain't shit and he isn't doing shit to Superman here.

Superman is too durable for BM's whack ass AM, and too durable for his strength. Like I said before, it's basically like Hulk taking a swing at him, considering it's not a weakness, it just amps his strikes.

King Hyperion wasn't stated to be vulnerable to antimatter like PC characters were either. The Antimonitor of a few years ago was nothing compared to his PC days either. just goes to show you that comparing present day characters to PC era characters shouldn't be done. This is something that I can not believe that i even have to say to you. Comics weren't written with the same logic that they are today. If you mentioned antimatter back in those days, it was this really powerful source of energy, and given more hype than it was worth. There is a scan of PC Superman nearly having his foot broken by a muffin, so again comparing that era to this one is bad form. Now should i go back to my point? Adam would hurt PC Superman, because he was vulnerable to antimatter. Blue marvel is powerful, and not the weakling that you are trying to make him out to be. let's just agree to disagree, because i have better things to do, than explain the same shit over and over again.

Originally posted by Stoic
King Hyperion wasn't stated to be vulnerable to antimatter like PC characters were either. The Antimonitor of a few years ago was nothing compared to his PC days either. just goes to show you that comparing present day characters to PC era characters shouldn't be done. This is something that I can not believe that i even have to say to you. Comics weren't written with the same logic that they are today. If you mentioned antimatter back in those days, it was this really powerful source of energy, and given more hype than it was worth. There is a scan of PC Superman nearly having his foot broken by a muffin, so again comparing that era to this one is bad form. Now should i go back to my point? Adam would hurt PC Superman, because he was vulnerable to antimatter. Blue marvel is powerful, and not the weakling that you are trying to make him out to be. let's just agree to disagree, because i have better things to do, than explain the same shit over and over again. Do you think "anti matter defense" is some sort of built in invulnerability or something?
And the Anti Monitor of a few years ago wasn't full of an unlimited amount of universes. His anti matter was still ****ing shit up though.
Anyway, to address the whole "anti matter vulnerability in Marvel". A couple years Korvac (although weakened) gets beat again with anti matter. The interesting thing here is that he states it could destroy the entire dimension:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/16ac.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/17ac.jpg

Also yes, "Achilles heel", but it wasn't really. It was just powerful enough to do it. Also made irrelevant considering what Korvac thinks of the potential of it.

Which is in reference to this particular story where an anti matter core annihilates Red Skull with the Cosmic Cube:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_15b.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_16a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_17a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_17b.jpg


Which to briefly address that peon Vet, is why I was asking for evaporation feats from BM. Because that's what AM is supposed to do. Evaporate shit.

And I highly doubt they had some sort of vulnerability besides it being just powerful shit. Let alone Hyperion having some better defense against it because *shrug*

PC Superman getting hit by a muffin was a cover of a comic... I think Vulcan beat Gladiator on the cover of the comic where Gladiator ****ing eye gouged the shit out of him

He was vulnerable in the same way Vet is vulnerable of getting loads blown on his chin. It's not a weakness, but it's going to happen.

I never said BM was a weakling, in fact I repeatedly stated he was Thor level in this thread. Unless he has magic, that doesn't make for a PC Superman beater.

Look at Mr "I have better things to do" bigshot over here. Well I just had some ribs, so eat my butt.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you say so.
But even if, and giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but even if, you have to understand that using COIE to bring forth evidence of some sort of weakness comes off completely terrible.
It'd be like me using Silver Surfer getting beat by Galactus as evidence that Nova can "light him up" and later "destroy him based on COIE". It sets a bad precedence, and leads right into a corner.

Now with that said. Not all explosives are the same, and especially not a ****ing rocket full of anti matter. It's its own little world. Not to mention that was explosive and severely damaging on its own. Blue Marvel's AM on its own is fully underwhelming to compare it to that.
Not to mention the rocket was a goddamned "world wrecking blast". Like how is BM even being compared to that with his bunk ass anti matter?

And again, he was "cutting loose" against King Hyperion. And King Hyperion even took a cheapshot anti matter blast. But as soon as Blue Marvel's strength entered the fray with his energy KH was done. I don't get how we're attributing that purely to AM when AM was a side effect of BM cutting loose and it was continually hitting KH throughout. He is strong. And King Hyperion is nowhere near PC Superman in durability. Nowhere near.
And considering based on the gauntlet (before Vet changes it due to immense butthurt), Blue Marvel is only delivering one punch:



It seems completely ridiculous to assume he hurts PC Superman with it. I'm not nor have I ever argued that he couldn't hurt him over time, but his AM ain't shit and he isn't doing shit to Superman here.

Superman is too durable for BM's whack ass AM, and too durable for his strength. Like I said before, it's basically like Hulk taking a swing at him, considering it's not a weakness, it just amps his strikes.

Butthurt? After wading through the dung pile that was your argument? That's a nice example off transference. Hope your ass feels better in a week or two.

Hey genius, know why the missile was a threat to destroy the world? Because it was freaking antimatter, that's why. You know, the stuff that BM produces? Sorry if you don't like it. If you think that that missile compares to a charged punch from BM who can destroy the moon with a punch, K.O. Sentry who you say is a notch higher than BM and put down a trans like King Hyperion in 4 blows, you will never find your head that's stuck inside your ass. Oh, and I see you are still trying to hold onto the notion that BMs antimatter is somehow something other than antimater. This is beyond desperate on your part, its embarrassing. And now, here's some damn evaporation:

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120310094622/marveldatabase/images/thumb/a/ae/Mary_Jane_Watson_%28Clone%29_%28Earth-92131%29.jpg/200px-Mary_Jane_Watson_%28Clone%29_%28Earth-92131%29.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Do you think "anti matter defense" is some sort of built in invulnerability or something?
And the Anti Monitor of a few years ago wasn't full of an unlimited amount of universes. His anti matter was still ****ing shit up though.
Anyway, to address the whole "anti matter vulnerability in Marvel". A couple years Korvac (although weakened) gets beat again with anti matter. The interesting thing here is that he states it could destroy the entire dimension:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/16ac.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/17ac.jpg

Also yes, "Achilles heel", but it wasn't really. It was just powerful enough to do it. Also made irrelevant considering what Korvac thinks of the potential of it.

Which is in reference to this particular story where an anti matter core annihilates Red Skull with the Cosmic Cube:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_15b.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_16a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_17a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_17b.jpg


Which to briefly address that peon Vet, is why I was asking for evaporation feats from BM. Because that's what AM is supposed to do. Evaporate shit.

And I highly doubt they had some sort of vulnerability besides it being just powerful shit. Let alone Hyperion having some better defense against it because *shrug*

PC Superman getting hit by a muffin was a cover of a comic... I think Vulcan beat Gladiator on the cover of the comic where Gladiator ****ing eye gouged the shit out of him

He was vulnerable in the same way Vet is vulnerable of getting loads blown on his chin. It's not a weakness, but it's going to happen.

I never said BM was a weakling, in fact I repeatedly stated he was Thor level in this thread. Unless he has magic, that doesn't make for a PC Superman beater.

Look at Mr "I have better things to do" bigshot over here. Well I just had some ribs, so eat my butt.

Typically deflective bullshit. You are the one that got peed on, just go home and take a bath and stop whining. I'm sorry BMs antimatter charged punches haven't shown to evaporate matter but that's simply not how Marvel has chosen to depict his power against the level of opponent he typically fights. Did the antimatter missile evaporate Superman, Copernicus? Funny how you don't seem to have a problem with that. You were guaranteed to fall into that trap again with your biased ass. Oh, and the last time I checked, this was still a challenge gauntlet, not a fight between the two characters. Why are you mentioning a "Superman PC beater?" This all screams emotional involvement.

PS- Why didn't the DC antimatter do its job again? I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the crickets.

You're the kid

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_giJwkFXQsYs/SmChDfRkUgI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/m4im2JNE8dg/s400/fail-owned-action-comics-fail.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You're the kid

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_giJwkFXQsYs/SmChDfRkUgI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/m4im2JNE8dg/s400/fail-owned-action-comics-fail.jpg

Wrong, I'm the smilie



So Mr. Swiffer, why didn't the missile "evaporate" Superman again?