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How many wins does Gladiator take against these high heralds?

The HH are loosely based off the KMC tier.

Vs Silver Surfer
Vs Thor
Vs Genis Vell
Vs Sentry (non void)
Vs BRB
Vs Black Bolt
Vs Blue Marvel
Vs WWH
Vs Hyperion

He is a jobber but going by implied power and his comic self:
Vs Silver Surfer 4/10, knows his weakness
Vs Thor 5/10, still slower
Vs Genis Vell, dunno
Vs Sentry (non void) 3/10, what he did to Terrax...
Vs BRB 5/10, like Thor
Vs Black Bolt 6/10, I rank him lower than HH
Vs Blue Marvel /6/10, same as BB
Vs WWH 4/10, slow but Glads does what Sentry did
Vs Hyperion 5/10, this Hype should be more powerful than the last

How Gladiator will beat Surfer 4 times, if Surfer know his weakness??

He will just forget this in 4 fights ? It is not PIS?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
How Gladiator will beat Surfer 4 times, if Surfer know his weakness??

He will just forget this in 4 fights ? It is not PIS?

Because Surfer doesn't exploit it in comics, I go here by jobbing PIS and CIS, normal scenario for Comics. Glads wont use his speed to the best of his ability and Surfer won't use radiation or whatever. IIRC they fought once to a standstil.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He is a jobber but going by implied power and his comic self:
Vs Silver Surfer 4/10, knows his weakness
Vs Thor 5/10, still slower
Vs Genis Vell, dunno
Vs Sentry (non void) 3/10, what he did to Terrax...
Vs BRB 5/10, like Thor
Vs Black Bolt 6/10, I rank him lower than HH
Vs Blue Marvel /6/10, same as BB
Vs WWH 4/10, slow but Glads does what Sentry did
Vs Hyperion 5/10, this Hype should be more powerful than the last
Black Bolt already beat him he is not takin 6 wins over him.

Originally posted by Estacado
He loses to pretty much everyone.

Black Bolt already beat him he is not takin 6 wins over him.

In your opinion. That was 1 of the 4 .

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
In your opinion. That was 1 of the 4 .
Too bad you wont have any feats to back up your claim just implied power nonsense.

BHT

Originally posted by Insane Titan
How many wins does Gladiator take against these high heralds?

The HH are loosely based off the KMC tier.

Vs Silver Surfer
Vs Thor
Vs Genis Vell
Vs Sentry (non void)
Vs BRB
Vs Black Bolt
Vs Blue Marvel
Vs WWH
Vs Hyperion


You having SENTRY as a herald

I'm going to get crucified for this, but I don't think Gladiator beats any of those characters. Good fights indeed, but he would fall in the end.

Gladiator can pull a majority against a lot of them.

Originally posted by tkitna
I'm going to get crucified for this, but I don't think Gladiator beats any of those characters. Good fights indeed, but he would fall in the end.

I agree with you on this for now. I really have to see a better track record from Gladiator than what he has shown in the past. One statement won't change that.

Originally posted by tkitna
I'm going to get crucified for this, but I don't think Gladiator beats any of those characters. Good fights indeed, but he would fall in the end. Originally posted by Stoic
I agree with you on this for now. I really have to see a better track record from Gladiator than what he has shown in the past. One statement won't change that.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
How many wins does Gladiator take against these high heralds?

The HH are loosely based off the KMC tier.

Vs Silver Surfer 0/10
Vs Thor 8/10
Vs Genis Vell ?
Vs Sentry (non void) at Sentry best then 0/10
Vs BRB 9/10
Vs Black Bolt 8/10
Vs Blue Marvel 9/10
Vs WWH 10/10
Vs Hyperion ?

To hell with you bums giving Glads the win over Blackbolt. Bolt always goes ham on his ass. Even when Glads wins he needs help and still is getting beat up during because he's a loser.

Originally posted by h1a8
Vs Silver Surfer 0/10
Vs Thor 8/10
Vs Genis Vell ?
Vs Sentry (non void) at Sentry best then 0/10
Vs BRB 9/10
Vs Black Bolt 8/10
Vs Blue Marvel 9/10
Vs WWH 10/10
Vs Hyperion ?
Any on panel feats to back this up?
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
To hell with you bums giving Glads the win over Blackbolt. Bolt always goes ham on his ass. Even when Glads wins he needs help and still is getting beat up during because he's a loser.

Originally posted by Estacado
Any on panel feats to back this up?



Of course not.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
How many wins does Gladiator take against these high heralds?

The HH are loosely based off the KMC tier.

Vs Silver Surfer
Vs Thor
Vs Genis Vell
Vs Sentry (non void)
Vs BRB
Vs Black Bolt
Vs Blue Marvel
Vs WWH
Vs Hyperion

4/10 against surfer
8/10 against Thor
3/10 against Vell
8/10 against sentry
9/10 against black bolt
6/10 against blue marvel
8/10 against wwh
5/10 against hyperion

Didnt Masterson Thor beat the hell out of Gladiator?

No way is Glads taking 8/10 against Thor, let alone 5/10...

IMHO, maybe 1/10...maybe.

If Thor is dead serious on winning, I cant see Glads taking any against him...

^IIRC Masterson Thor summoned with Mjolnir living lightning who strucked Glads and this gave Masterson the opportunity to finish Glads. Before that he didn't looked too god and was about to lose.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^IIRC Masterson Thor summoned with Mjolnir living lightning who strucked Glads and this gave Masterson the opportunity to finish Glads. Before that he didn't looked too god and was about to lose.

Sad that someone who isn't even a fan of Gladiator knows this. Masterson snuck attacked him.

He loses all.

All I remember was the following and then Masterson Thor beating the snot out of Glads:

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
All I remember was the following and then Masterson Thor beating the snot out of Glads:

Look at the rest of the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Sad that someone who isn't even a fan of Gladiator knows this. Masterson snuck attacked him.

I like Glads, or did sometimes. He just seriously is portryed like an Idiot by most writers, sorry. He has also good showings, where he doesn't act like an arrogant prick. Take the example with the FF and Thor, where they met Glads in the future against the Celestial. He was a protector, a hero willing to sacrifice everything. That is how he should be portrayed.

Anyway. What I noticed and what you might like, it seems Thanos has some kind of respect for Glads.

Here they even shake hands, or more.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ijmSwwj3jqQ/USAimkuAnOI/AAAAAAAAO6w/tATtk7oJ6_I/s320/026.jpg

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
All I remember was the following and then Masterson Thor beating the snot out of Glads:

Proof is right. Gladiator was talking about how poor a warrior Masterson-Thor was, before the whole Living Lightning thing.

Gladiator from THE REIGNING universe also KTFOed Thor but ultimately lost when Thor had help, IIRC, for what it's worth.

Originally posted by carver9
Look at the rest of the fight.

This part?

^I think it was this

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator7.jpg

@Carver

I just finished rereading the entire fight, and prior to summoning Living Lightning, Masterson remarks that he had forgetten that Mjolnir could be used to summon the elements...

He was a newb with Thors power and still owned Glads...

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^I think it was this

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator7.jpg

Yep, thats exactly the scan I just commented on...

Thanks for posting it!

^You are welcome ^^
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Carver

I just finished rereading the entire fight, and prior to summoning Living Lightning, Masterson remarks that he had forgetten that Mjolnir could be used to summon the elements...

He was a newb with Thors power and still owned Glads...

Yet he used Mjolnir to send an magic bolt at Glads in the beginning and even had the first suckerpunch when he dived into Glads back, full force.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a_5-Anh4x7k/UNFHjU0gAsI/AAAAAAAAAnE/FRTgFWeEHCs/s1600/40072776mz5.jpg

Yet in the end Glads had him on the ground and without living lightning he would have lost imo.

Maybe...

But again, Masterson Thor wasnt as seasoned with Thors power as Thor is; Thor has been known to call lightining during a fight...the original Thor wouldnt have needed Living Lightining IMO.

Its speculation either way, but I place my bet on an all out Thor beating an all out Glads...

I do expect Glads to put up a good fight though...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Maybe...

But again, Masterson Thor wasnt as seasoned with Thors power as Thor is; Thor has been known to call lightining during a fight...the original Thor wouldnt have needed Living Lightining IMO.

Its speculation either way, but I place my bet on an all out Thor beating an all out Glads...

I do expect Glads to put up a good fight though...

Thor usually doesn't get fancy with Mjolnir anyways. Look at his fights with alternate Gladiators in that FANTASTIC FOUR issue and THE REIGNING Gladiator. Whether or not they count for Gladiator, they certainly reflect how Thor is likely to fight.

Well look at what happened when the real Thor stopped holding back on Glads:

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well look at what happened when the real Thor stopped holding back on Glads:

This happened before, a win for Glads.

Originally posted by kgkg
VS THOR #3

-Another example how speed = doom for Thor

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1496/30779217ty6.th.jpghttp://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9756/44756604xd5.th.jpghttp://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7086/36878640ke2.th.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2614/69635314go2.th.jpghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1116/68035310hl6.th.jpghttp://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7400/44701592gn0.th.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8393/92592335wp2.th.jpg

Ah, but up to the last page of the fight, Thor had been holding back on Glads...

Its only in the scan that I posted that Thor stops holding back on him...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ah, but up to the last page of the fight, Thor had been holding back on Glads...

Its only in the scan that I posted that Thor stops holding back on him...

After he was beaten Glads had to fight someone else till Thor came back, didn't he? I don't remember it 100%.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well look at what happened when the real Thor stopped holding back on Glads:

What happened over the course of a couple issues is Gladiator beat Thor, then was attacked by Tharene, who keeps him busy while Jake is saved and brought back to Mjolnir, Glads beats Thor Girl before getting to Jake just as he becomes Thor again. They fight for a bit, then almost cause a passenger jet to crash, save it, and THEN Thor attacks with an energy blast(seems like a sucker shot) and then Thor attacks as Gladiator is still getting up, the beating shown in your scan. After, Tharene blasts Glads with energy that Thor said rivals Odin(even if hyperbole, it's meant to be quite a potent blast).

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I like Glads, or did sometimes. He just seriously is portryed like an Idiot by most writers, sorry. He has also good showings, where he doesn't act like an arrogant prick. Take the example with the FF and Thor, where they met Glads in the future against the Celestial. He was a protector, a hero willing to sacrifice everything. That is how he should be portrayed.

Anyway. What I noticed and what you might like, it seems Thanos has some kind of respect for Glads.

Here they even shake hands, or more.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ijmSwwj3jqQ/USAimkuAnOI/AAAAAAAAO6w/tATtk7oJ6_I/s320/026.jpg
facepalm
In the same story he beats a cube being who could 1 shot kill Gladiator anytime he wants.
Hell his "pet" Skreet could beat the shit out of Kallark.


Btw in the 2nd fight that's pretty much non canon cause it's future Glads.

So now it's non canon...lol, hilarious.

I'm still waiting on how he gets majority over Bolt

Originally posted by carver9
So now it's non canon...lol, hilarious.
Didnt you admit that it was a completly different Gladiator from the future?
Not that it matters since Thor beat his ass.....haermm

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I'm still waiting on how he gets majority over Bolt
You wont get any evidence since there non besides "Gladiator is superb fast!".

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I'm still waiting on how he gets majority over Bolt

By punching him to sleep. Black Bolt usually gains an advantage by whispering in his ear, won't happen here and for some strange reason, Glads tends to forget he has speed, heat vision, and ice breath when he is fighting BB.

Originally posted by carver9
By punching him to sleep. Black Bolt usually gains an advantage by whispering in his ear, won't happen here and for some strange reason, Glads tends to forget he has speed, heat vision, and ice breath when he is fighting BB.

Each time they have gone hands up has been stalemate or advantage Bolt. This has happened more then once where as Galds has never just beat him down.

So yeah comics say Bolt can fight him just fine, and can drop him with his voice.

And I'll remember your argument about not fighting properly next time you are in a Hulk thread

Didnt BB beat him in h2h fight in War Of Kings?

Originally posted by Estacado
Didnt BB beat him in h2h fight in War Of Kings?


He was beating him until Glads crew used weakness exploitation on.

He also went punch for punch in inhumans

Originally posted by Estacado
Didnt BB beat him in h2h fight in War Of Kings?

No. Re-look at that fight.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
He was beating him until Glads crew used weakness exploitation on.

He also went punch for punch in inhumans

Seems like Gladiator was scared of the scream and used white noise to cancel it out. Gladiator then proceeded at one shot ko'ing him with a punch that leveled the room.

Black Bolt...the King is down.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-24-03-07-48_zpsa5a51c11.png.html

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like Gladiator was scared of the scream and used white noise to cancel it out. Gladiator then proceeded at one shot ko'ing him with a punch that leveled the room.

So why didn't he one shot him with the first attack or just insta blitz him. While allow himself to get knocked around and mounted and strangled first? If white noise did nothing by cancel the scream he wouldn't have noticed it and wouldn't have suddenly been to weak to fight when just a second ago he had glad at a disadvantage physically.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
So why didn't he one shot him with the first attack or just insta blitz him. While allow himself to get knocked around and mounted and strangled first? If white noise did nothing by cancel the scream he wouldn't have noticed it and wouldn't have suddenly been to weak to fight when just a second ago he had glad at a disadvantage physically.

What are you talking about? There wasn't a first attack. Black Bolt blitz Glads...they both fall to the ground with Black Bolt on top of him with his hand around his neck. Gladiator screams WHITE NOISE, and then he is blasted with it which was meant to stun him (stated on panel) which also lead to Gladiator one shot ko'ing him. I can post that entire scene if you want.

^
Good ol Carter always makes shit up....haermm

Noise cancelling sonic, nothing more, nothing less. Prevented him from screaming.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-24-03-20-06_zps5010fcc9.png.html

That one punch just knocked him the h*** out.

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? There wasn't a first attack. Black Bolt blitz Glads...they both fall to the ground with Black Bolt on top of him with his hand around his neck. Gladiator screams WHITE NOISE, and then he is blasted with it which was meant to stun him (stated on panel) which also lead to Gladiator one shot ko'ing him. I can post that entire scene if you want.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72716/1764196-wok_01_page_020.jpg

Bolt screams in pain when white noise hits him. It does more then cancel his voice it physically effected his powers and body. If Glads could casually one shot and blitz him without her he would have done it.

Originally posted by Estacado
^
Good ol Carter always makes shit up....haermm



Read above and read comics. You said he beat Glads in War of Kings. Respect threads is your friend.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72716/1764196-wok_01_page_020.jpg

Bolt screams in pain when white noise hits him. It does more then cancel his voice it physically effected his powers and body

What did it tell you it did? Cancel noise...cancelled his scream. Tell me what else it did and where you got it from?

You also see his attenea stops glowing when he gets hit, showing he is no longer drawing in his energy. Where as when choking Gladiator it was glowing

Originally posted by carver9
What did it tell you it did? Cancel noise...cancelled his scream. Tell me what else it did and where you got it from?

Dude Bolt is screaming in pain, and his amp visibly stops =/


He doesn't scream just because he can't talk. He was straight up hurt and weakened.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
You also see his attenea stops glowing when he gets hit, showing he is no longer drawing in his energy. Where as when choking Gladiator it was glowing

On panel it states "noise cancellation"...so what am I suppose to believe it did? Cancel out the noise...prevent him from screaming. It stunned him for a bit. Nothing, n.o.t.h.i.n.g was stated that he was weakened or his power was gone. It did state he was stunned for a second though. Take that as you will. I don't think a stunned Gladiator would get one punched by BB though.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Dude Bolt is screaming in pain, and his amp visibly stops =/


He doesn't scream just because he can't talk. He was straight up hurt and weakened.

Screaming in pain? Where do you see noise coming out of his mouth? It didn't because it cancelled his voice. If he was screaming in pain, it would have leveled the room. He was hit with a noise cancelling attack.

Originally posted by carver9
Screaming in pain? Where do you see noise coming out of his mouth? It didn't because it cancelled his voice. If he was screaming in pain, it would have leveled the room.

Look at his face, he was screaming but couldn't make noise because his powers were gone. =/ He's even holding his ears as he does it, and like I said notice his glowing stops where as both when he fighting Glads and when he fights Vulcan he is glowing.

That is a period where he is in pain and no longer using his powers to make himself physically stronger. So yes Gladiator can beat a Black Bolt that can give himself strength via his powers

So Gladiator ko'd a stunned BB not much of a fair fight if you ask me...ermm

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Look at his face, he was screaming but couldn't make noise because his powers were gone. =/ He's even holding his ears as he does it, and like I said notice his glowing stops where as both when he fighting Glads and when he fights Vulcan he is glowing.



Ok, where are you getting "his powers were gone"? Scans. When someone say noise cancelling, what does that mean to you?

Originally posted by Estacado
So Gladiator ko'd a stunned BB not much of a fair fight if you ask me...ermm

It isn't fair...at all. Gladiator fears BB voice.

Originally posted by carver9


Ok, where are you getting "his powers were gone"? Scans. When someone say noise cancelling, what does that mean to you?

Did you not read his fights in that arc? Or know how his powers work? He amps himself to become physically more power via energy manipulation/absorption. In that arc (see the fight, and his later fight with vulcan) and others it is portrayed via flowing energy on his antenna. When he is hit with the attack several things happen. His mouth and body are in the manner of a scream, he's holding his ears tightly, and the glow suddenly vanishes.

Several signs pointing to being much more then simply he can't use his scream attack.

Originally posted by carver9
It isn't fair...at all. Gladiator fears BB voice.
So how is he winning a fight where he gets no help and BB isnt getting stunned by someone?
Also he gets to use his voice.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Did you not read his fights in that arc? Or know how his powers work? He amps himself to become physically more power via energy manipulation/absorption. In that arc (see the fight, and his later fight with vulcan) and others it is portrayed via flowing energy on his antenna. When he is hit with the attack several things happen. His mouth and body are in the manner of a scream, he's holding his ears tightly, and the glow suddenly vanishes.

Several signs pointing to being much more then simply he can't use his scream attack.

Gotcha...wonder why his antenna isn't glowing here?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-24-03-35-17_zpsb6cfd392.png.html

Let's see what you are going to make up now.

It specifically said he was hit with a noise cancellation attack which hindered his scream which is the reason nothing came out of his mouth when he screamed. Nothing was stated that the attack weakened him. You need to provide proof. The only damage that was stated was the word STUNNED. Please provide proof of this. Bran will be in here in a minute to try to provide some evidence because he smells all of my Gladiator posts but I want YOU to provide evidence that he was weakened in that scene. I'll be waiting.

Originally posted by Estacado
So how is he winning a fight where he gets no help and BB isnt getting stunned by someone?
Also he gets to use his voice.

By using his other abilities as well and trying from the get go to take him out before he gets off a scream.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha...wonder why his antenna isn't glowing here?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-24-03-35-17_zpsb6cfd392.png.html

Let's see what you are going to make up now.

It specifically said he was hit with a noise cancellation attack which hindered his scream which is the reason nothing came out of his mouth when he screamed. Nothing was stated that the attack weakened him. You need to provide proof. The only damage that was stated was the word STUNNED. Please provide proof of this. Bran will be in here in a minute to try to provide some evidence because he smells all of my Gladiator posts but I want YOU to provide evidence that he was weakened in that scene. I'll be waiting.

So you respond to me saying in each fight in that arc his attena glowed when he used powers and stopped when he didn't or couldn't as well as him reacting to white noise with an expression of pain.

With a completely unrelated arc. Just because you can't see pictures without Hulk in them doesn't mean I can't actually follow what is portrayed in each individual arc.

so first how about you tell me why he reacted with pain from White noise? Or did you miss that was one point of my evidence?

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
So you respond to me saying in each fight in that arc his attena glowed when he used powers and stopped when he didn't or couldn't as well as him reacting to white noise with an expression of pain.

With a completely unrelated arc. Just because you can't see pictures without Hulk in them doesn't mean I can't actually follow what is portrayed in each individual arc.

so first how about you tell me why he reacted with pain from White noise? Or did you miss that was one point of my evidence?

It told you in the comic why he reacted in pain...because "white noise" stunned him. Did you expect him to tank the attack. Nothing was mentioned that it weakened him.

Originally posted by carver9
It told you in the comic why he reacted in pain...because "white noise" stunned him. Did you expect him to tank the attack. Nothing was mentioned that it weakened him.

So it hurt him and stunned him proving by itself that it wasn't an attack that didn't simply cancel noise, and suddenly it's not glowing and he stands still. So basically he was weakened to his pre fight level. Like I said his power was cut of by that sonics for that moment bringing him at his base levels.

So Good job Gladiator you can one shot a Block Bolt who isn't using the means he uses to actually go hand to hand with you.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
So it hurt him and stunned him proving by itself that it wasn't an attack that didn't simply cancel noise, and suddenly it's not glowing and he stands still. So basically he was weakened to his pre fight level. Like I said his power was cut of by that sonics for that moment bringing him at his base levels.

So Good job Gladiator you can one shot a Block Bolt who isn't using the means he uses to actually go hand to hand with you.

It stunned him. Black Bolt powers isn't even noise based. Him being hit by a noise cancellation does not mean he was weakened. You don't have proof...you're assuming. Gladiator one shot ko'ing a stunned BB is Hellava impressive but BB probably would have defeated him if he was still able to scream just like he would defeat any Herald.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
4/10 against surfer
8/10 against Thor
3/10 against Vell
8/10 against sentry
9/10 against black bolt
6/10 against blue marvel
8/10 against wwh
5/10 against hyperion



8/10 against Sentry, Thor, and WWH (although a weaker Hulk beat the crap out of him)? That's great. 3 wins against Genis? Oh my.

Originally posted by Estacado
facepalm
In the same story he beats a cube being who could 1 shot kill Gladiator anytime he wants.
Hell his "pet" Skreet could beat the shit out of Kallark.


Btw in the 2nd fight that's pretty much non canon cause it's future Glads.


As an answer to you agressive approach with the Facepalm.
This isn't Glads vs Maker or Skreet. It was just an remark on Glads and Thanos shaking hands, a display of respect not a fight. What are you talking about. Take you time to read and think before you reply, honestly... what has a fight against Maker or Skreet to do with anything regarding respect for each other and a handshake?
Chill man, you hate is blinding you.
A serious question, why the sudden and blinding Gladiator hate?

It was Gladiator from the Future so he might be stronger, true, not canon still it was impressive.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I'm still waiting on how he gets majority over Bolt

By being stronger and faster or by hitting Black Bolt on his weak spot.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132322/2547506-thorvsblackbolt03.jpg

Here also the fight against Silver Surfer, it was a stalemate an dboth treated each other with respect.
Originally posted by kgkg
VS SILVER SURFER

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/757/39458006xc3.th.jpghttp://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5885/45676322mi0.th.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5070/71577095pl3.th.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3672/15890545is6.th.jpghttp://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8581/35775922ds1.th.jpg

Glads shook Thanos hand after basically kissing his ass for a good while saying he needed him.


Lol @ Proff lecturing posters on hate blinding them , hypocrite.

^If you can't write anything constructive it would be better to not write anything at all. Grow up please and move on.
Originally posted by Estacado

Didnt you admit that it was a completly different Gladiator from the future?
Not that it matters since Thor beat his ass.....haermm


You wont get any evidence since there non besides "Gladiator is superb fast!".

So now it is a complete differen't glads who still was beaten? No and no, This Gladiator is from the Future but it is the current Glads just older, might be he became stronger over the years, still it is Glads, but ok it is not canon to the current one, still Thor never beat him though. IIRC the FF and Thor went with a Time Machine into the Future and used devices on their belts to move in a time bubble and operated between seconds. Yet in this semi time frozen state only Gladiator was able to accelerate his speed to interact with them.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FantasticFourV1339-20.jpg

Before the fight began he was already tired from his journey and operating at his hyperspeed:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8017/886151-ff_339_4.jpg
He comments he is exhausted, yet he stalemates Thor, whose speed was accelerated through the time bubble to the best Speed Gladiator could move at. So an speed amped Thor against an Exhausted Gladiator, and only a stalemate.
Originally posted by kgkg
VS THOR #1

-This is an excellent feat for Gladiator. He fights Thor who's speed have been boosted. Note that only Gladiator could see them, therefore their speed must have been to fast for normal eyes. Gladiator matches this amped speed

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/2393/53038816ne8.th.jpghttp://img361.imageshack.us/img361/6708/63428720os6.th.jpghttp://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5328/34683579hw1.th.jpg
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Gladiator is created to Job in the comics, still he is portrayed as one of the most powerful HH, some writers also treat him with respect and portray him as a noble spirit, a protector of his empire and some like an idiot, a punching bag. I like the noble approach better but different writers different approaches.
Here Thor being impressed by Glads who sacrifices himself.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/13/133218/2579274-scaled.jpeg

Silver Surfer also respects him after their stalemate.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/DRDOOMSDAY-360/marvel%20universe/Gladiator/GladiatorvsSilverSurfer5.jpg

^^ you should heed to your own words when telling others what to do about posting ,hypocrite.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
^^ you should heed to your own words when telling others what to do about posting ,hypocrite.

Could you stop derailing the thread post something constructive like I did or if you want to discuss something with me, do it in priate, do so via PM. Else get out. Thanks. You behave like a child.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Could you stop derailing the thread post something constructive like I did or if you want to discuss something with me, do it in priate, do so via PM. Else get out. Thanks. You behave like a child.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Could you stop derailing the thread post something constructive like I did or if you want to discuss something with me, do it in priate, do so via PM. Else get out. Thanks. You behave like a child. constructive ? Like the stuff you like to ignore. Stop been a hypocrite simple as.

Carver stop been a cheerleader you coward snake.

Originally posted by Estacado
Didnt you admit that it was a completly different Gladiator from the future?
Not that it matters since Thor beat his ass.....haermm

It is an alternate Gladiator, although far as I can tell it's only an alternate because Thor stopped THE REIGNING from ever happening, making it split off.

And I don't know if you're trolling carter or serious. That's an inaccurate take on what happened.

Vs Silver Surfer
Vs Thor
Vs Genis Vell
Vs Sentry (non void)
Vs BRB
Vs Black Bolt
Vs Blue Marvel
Vs WWH
Vs Hyperion

GLADIATOR DIES ........except against WWH!

These combatants have a range of powers combined with determination that trumps Kallark's. Even with Norrin's initial passive nature, his power will allow him to raise the stakes.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
This happened before, a win for Glads.
Thor was holding back...ermm
Originally posted by Delta1938
It is an alternate Gladiator, although far as I can tell it's only an alternate because Thor stopped THE REIGNING from ever happening, making it split off.

And I don't know if you're trolling carter or serious. That's an inaccurate take on what happened.
Gladiator beat a holding back Thor.
2nd time Thor whooped his ass and Gladiator admited defeat.
He even said Thor was too strong for him.

Originally posted by Estacado
Thor was holding back...ermm

Gladiator beat a holding back Thor.
2nd time Thor whooped his ass and Gladiator admited defeat.
He even said Thor was too strong for him.

Still can't tell if you're ignorant or intentionally citing it out of context.

Originally posted by Estacado
Thor was holding back...ermm

Gladiator beat a holding back Thor.
2nd time Thor whooped his ass and Gladiator admited defeat.
He even said Thor was too strong for him.

In between Thor faught someone else. First defeated Thor, then defeated female Thor, then lost to Thor after the comeback.

The rest of my post was ignored, at least i know now what I can expect from you.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
In your opinion. That was 1 of the 4 . That is why your opinion is baseless since you never have any evidence.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Still can't tell if you're ignorant or intentionally citing it out of context. Irony.

Vs Silver Surfer-Silver Surfer 7/10. Too many ways for Norrin to win here.
Vs Thor-Thor 6/10. Thor is more powerful but Gladiator can take some wins with his somewhat superior strength, durability and speed.
Vs Genis Vell-Genis-Vell 7/10. See Surfer.
Vs Sentry (non void)-Sentry 8/10. The Sentry is simply too powerful.
Vs BRB-Split or edge to Bill.
Vs Black Bolt-Depends on the voice usage. Black Bolt wins at least 6/10.
Vs Blue Marvel-Blue Marvel 6/10.
Vs WWH-WWH wins 8/10. Honesty, I don't see how Gladiator could put this Hulk down. Too much strength and Looney Tunes healing factor.
Vs Hyperion-Split. They are pretty much the same character.

surfer wins 9/10--far too versatile

thor wins 7-8/10--mjolnir is too much. glads takes him for a heavy majority if it's just h2h.

genis wins 4/10--this is much different than ss imo because he's not as proficient an energy wielder or as smart. he seems likely to go the vulcan route and get taken out quickly. this could be a split depending on how genis fights. would need to see genis feats to convince me he takes more than a slight majority.

sentry wins 8/10--too powerful overall but does have a couple low showings and he IS a mental midget.....

bill wins 6/10--both going all out this would be a GREAT fight

bolt w/o voice wins 4/10 w/voice wins 10/10--voice=haxx

blue marvel wins 6-7/10 though this is still early. glads could well take him. hard to give glads a majority over a guy who has ZERO low feats so far though....

wwh wins 9/10--reg hulk has already beaten him. amped hulk would do so more easily.

hyperion splits (glads has already beaten a different version and their power levels were near identical. if this hype is more powerful than the previous he'd take a slight majority.)

Just want to point out that Leo doesn't know what he is talking about with the Hulk and Gladiator fight. The Hulk that Glads fought was pulling energy from an entire universe and as stated here, he was getting stronger/more powerful.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/3113661-2634678879-29795_zps4e766c06.jpg.html

Glads lost to an amped Hulk just like any Herald would've. This is the same Hulk that Apocalypse said he had enough power in him to over power the entire Celestial race.

Powerful enough to challenge the Celestials. "The energy Hulk generates is powerful enough to challenge the Celestials themselves.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/celestialtechulk.png

Originally posted by carver9
Just want to point out that Leo doesn't know what he is talking about with the Hulk and Gladiator fight. The Hulk that Glads fought was pulling energy from an entire universe and as stated here, he was getting stronger/more powerful.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/3113661-2634678879-29795_zps4e766c06.jpg.html

Glads lost to an amped Hulk just like any Herald would've. This is the same Hulk that Apocalypse said he had enough power in him to over power the entire Celestial race.



now, just prove that THAT was happening IN THE ACTUAL BOOK THEY FOUGHT IN.

if you can't--and of course you can't, nor can the person you stole that RIDICULOUS theory from--you have utterly nothing to stand on. even the idea is totally stupid. amped. amped?! please, i BEG you (or whoever you stole the theory from....) to prove that he was 'stronger' than he has appeared to be in the past. even the idea is moronic. hulk ALWAYS amps!

incidentally, there has ALWAYS been a theory that hulk draws energy from a literally 'infinite' other dimensional source. so, at best whichever gladiator fan-boy on comicvine or whatever, thought up that idiotic theory came up with something wholly redundant, and at worst, it is random bullsh!t drawn from an unrelated source in an attempt to explain away a beating that he didn't like.

either way, glads loses. amped.

Originally posted by carver9
Powerful enough to challenge the Celestials. "The energy Hulk generates is powerful enough to challenge the Celestials themselves.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/celestialtechulk.png

omg, now the hulk that apoc handled was amped too? good lord, stop spreading bullsh!t before a mod sees it.....

out of curiosity--was there a definitive showing that demonstrated the...closure of his connection to this other universe?

Please don't ask Carver to prove anything.

I have accepted him into the Mindset School of Debating, and that is looked down upon.

fair enuff. you have done your job well, master.

Originally posted by leonidas


now, just prove that THAT was happening IN THE ACTUAL BOOK THEY FOUGHT IN.

if you can't--and of course you can't, nor can the person you stole that RIDICULOUS theory from--you have utterly nothing to stand on. even the idea is totally stupid. amped. amped?! please, i BEG you (or whoever you stole the theory from....) to prove that he was 'stronger' than he has appeared to be in the past. even the idea is moronic. hulk ALWAYS amps!

incidentally, there has ALWAYS been a theory that hulk draws energy from a literally 'infinite' other dimensional source. so, at best whichever gladiator fan-boy on comicvine or whatever, thought up that idiotic theory came up with something wholly redundant, and at worst, it is random bullsh!t drawn from an unrelated source in an attempt to explain away a beating that he didn't like.

either way, glads loses. amped.

Lol...Leo, first thing, you need to calm down, second thing, you are hilarious. None of that happened until Bruce lost connection with Banner. Go to the other thread where we discussed this because I posted a load of scans that proves this even further, like this same Hulk generating energy from his body that was melting humans around him...

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk447_06b.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk447_03b.jpg

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_10a.jpg.html

Same Hulk glowing with energy around his body. Samson states the same thing about his power that Strange did.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/HeroesReborn-thereturn0210.jpg

Anyone that knows anything about Hulk knows this isn't a normal Hulk. Far from it. Leo just doesn't know what he is talking about. This is Banner less Hulk, the same Hulk that fought Gladiator after the Onslaught saga.

Originally posted by carver9
Just want to point out that Leo doesn't know what he is talking about with the Hulk and Gladiator fight. The Hulk that Glads fought was pulling energy from an entire universe and as stated here, he was getting stronger/more powerful.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/3113661-2634678879-29795_zps4e766c06.jpg.html

Glads lost to an amped Hulk just like any Herald would've. This is the same Hulk that Apocalypse said he had enough power in him to over power the entire Celestial race.

Wasn't that the post-Onslaught Hulk who had been separated from Banner? Didn't the Surfer rather casually deal with him? His durability was crap.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Wasn't that the post-Onslaught Hulk who had been separated from Banner? Didn't the Surfer rather casually deal with him? His durability was crap.



The same Hulk who fought Gladiator and his durability wasn't that great (which is the reason Glads burned a hole in him with heat vision) but his overall power was humongous.

When did he fight Surfer?

Originally posted by Dampyre
Wasn't that the post-Onslaught Hulk who had been separated from Banner? Didn't the Surfer rather casually deal with him? His durability was crap.


Surfer has always had his number tho

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Surfer has always had his number tho

When?

Is Carver trying to say that amped Hulk can't beat Gladiator cause an amped Hulk did and that hulk only won cause he was amped which has everything to do with this thread where he's amped even more?

mmm

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Is Carver trying to say that amped Hulk can't beat Gladiator cause an amped Hulk did and that hulk only won cause he was amped which has everything to do with this thread where he's amped even more?

mmm

Don't try to make sense of Kitty-Kat. He's like Nell in that movie NELL except he's black and a dude. And Nell was a bit brighter.

Originally posted by carver9
When?

In comics. You know his record don't be obtuse

Originally posted by carver9


The same Hulk who fought Gladiator and his durability wasn't that great (which is the reason Glads burned a hole in him with heat vision) but his overall power was humongous.

When did he fight Surfer?

Silver Surfer #125.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Silver Surfer #125.

I skimmed through the issue. Yeah, Surfer noticed Hulk was drawing "interdimensional" energy, and found he was unable to revert Hulk to Banner because there was no Banner to turn him back to.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Don't try to make sense of Kitty-Kat. He's like Nell in that movie NELL except he's black and a dude. And Nell was a bit brighter.

Why did you quote him? He is on ignore for a reason.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Silver Surfer #125.

That wasn't Surfer owning him? Reread the issue. Wasnt even a fight.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
In comics. You know his record don't be obtuse

Which Ones?

Originally posted by carver9
Why did you quote him? He is on ignore for a reason.

Screw you, I do what I want!!

Originally posted by Delta1938
Screw you, I do what I want!!

Lol...buy Destiny on Xbox 1 on the 9th.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...buy Destiny on Xbox 1 on the 9th.

I will not buy it any time soon just to spite you. sneer

Vs Silver Surfer - Surfer 10/10 because Gladiator Weakness

Vs Thor/BRB - Thor 6 or 7/10 - More raw power, more resources. But less speed.

Vs Black Bolt - This fight is simple. One of then will stomp. If Gladiator blitz, he wins. If he dont, he lose.

Vs WWH - Gladiator wins 9/10 - Far faster.

Vs Hyperion - Gladiator 6 or 7/10 - IMO he have better feats (i dont take serious de two universes feats).

Originally posted by Delta1938
Screw you, I do what I want!! quote me every time

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't Surfer owning him? Reread the issue. Wasnt even a fight.

I never said the Surfer owned him. I said that he dealt with him casually. And, yes, they fought. First, you didn't even know what issue I was talking about and now you tell me to re-read it? I can't tell if you're a troll or a serious poster.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
quote me every time

I had already decided to just so he has to see.

Originally posted by Dampyre
I never said the Surfer owned him. I said that he dealt with him casually. And, yes, they fought. First, you didn't even know what issue I was talking about and now you tell me to re-read it? I can't tell if you're a troll or a serious poster.

Surfer and Hulk fought more than once and I was hoping you was referencing another fight since they didn't fight during the comic you're referencing.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer and Hulk fought more than once and I was hoping you was referencing another fight since they didn't fight during the comic you're referencing.

Are you talking SILVER SURFER(V3) #175? If so, Hulk punching Surfer, smacking him with a tree, grabbing him by the leg and slamming his head into the ground, and Surfer blasting Hulk a few times isn't a fight? Is this their super-secret Defenders Member Identification Handshake?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Are you talking SILVER SURFER(V3) #175? If so, Hulk punching Surfer, smacking him with a tree, grabbing him by the leg and slamming his head into the ground, and Surfer blasting Hulk a few times isn't a fight? Is this their super-secret Defenders Member Identification Handshake?

Not really since there was context to the fight.

Carver's right you know. It wasn't a fight. It was Hulk wailing on Surfer to absolutely no effect.

Surfer was like "Hey Hulk you want to stomp on my head a little? I got some space water in my ear."

And Hulk was like "You know old pal, I just might. This won't hurt you right?"

"Not from you"

Originally posted by carver9
Not really since there was context to the fight.

So now you're saying they fought in the issue they didn't fight in? Killer Kitty-Kat strikes again!!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver's right you know. It wasn't a fight. It was Hulk wailing on Surfer to absolutely no effect.

Surfer was like "Hey Hulk you want to stomp on my head a little? I got some space water in my ear."

And Hulk was like "You know old pal, I just might. This won't hurt you right?"

"Not from you in your amped strength state no"

Tell me more.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver's right you know. It wasn't a fight. It was Hulk wailing on Surfer to absolutely no effect.

Surfer was like "Hey Hulk you want to stomp on my head a little? I got some space water in my ear."

And Hulk was like "You know old pal, I just might. This won't hurt you right?"

"Not from you"

Now this man knows what he is talking about.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So now you're saying they fought in the issue they didn't fight in? Killer Kitty-Kat strikes again!!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver's right you know. It wasn't a fight. It was Hulk wailing on Surfer to absolutely no effect.

Surfer was like "Hey Hulk you want to stomp on my head a little? I got some space water in my ear."

And Hulk was like "You know old pal, I just might. This won't hurt you right?"

"Not from you"

I'll be sure if carter ever asks to help get a kink out of his neck to throw him to the ground and repeatedly soccer kick his head, liver and groin since I'm such a good friend.

Originally posted by carver9


Good job carter!! You finally learned to look both ways before crossing the street.

Surfer vs Hulk fights are usually just Surfer saying "come on guy that's not cool", while Hulk hits him with everything he's ever had.

At least in the old days Hulk paid badly for it, but the amped Hulk "fight" was a good nod towards the past. Curious if we'll ever get some more of those father son type fights.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Leo, first thing, you need to calm down, second thing, you are hilarious. None of that happened until Bruce lost connection with Banner. Go to the other thread where we discussed this because I posted a load of scans that proves this even further, like this same Hulk generating energy from his body that was melting humans around him...

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk447_06b.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk447_03b.jpg

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_10a.jpg.html

Same Hulk glowing with energy around his body. Samson states the same thing about his power that Strange did.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/HeroesReborn-thereturn0210.jpg

Anyone that knows anything about Hulk knows this isn't a normal Hulk. Far from it. Leo just doesn't know what he is talking about. This is Banner less Hulk, the same Hulk that fought Gladiator after the Onslaught saga.

do you know how full of utter sh!t that is?

the task is a simple one--prove that said 'amp' was at all involved in that gladiator book. really easy. i'll wait.

i find it hilarious though that this 'amp' ONLY amped his strength and not his durability. lol seriously?? in the old days you used to say glads was beat down because of the radiation from the power plant. i'm happy you gave that idea up finally, but now you've moved on to this. sigh..... i called you on THAT bullsh!t then, like i'm calling you on this one now.

prove he was amped in that book. prove he was in any way stronger--at all--than he had been in books prior. lol at that notion. he's shattered asteroids 2x the earth's size but he must be amped by another universe because he smashed in glads' face? geniuses.... did he eventually gain power from that other universe? obviously. but the connection wasn't established until AFTER that annual--it played no part at all in that battle. the writer did NOT write that book with any 'amp' in mind and i defy you or anyone else to prove it to the contrary. just more and more drivel carver. stick with mindset and stay away from other sites and stop listening to people who don't know anything. you end up looking as bad as they do.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer and Hulk fought more than once and I was hoping you was referencing another fight since they didn't fight during the comic you're referencing.

Yes, they fought. That's the only time the Surfer fought the post-Onslaught, Bannerless Hulk. The same version that Gladiator fought. Obviously, things turned out better for the Surfer. That's how it should be seeing how the Surfer is more powerful than Gladiator.

Originally posted by leonidas
do you know how full of utter sh!t that is?

the task is a simple one--prove that said 'amp' was at all involved in that gladiator book. really easy. i'll wait.

i find it hilarious though that this 'amp' ONLY amped his strength and not his durability. lol seriously?? in the old days you used to say glads was beat down because of the radiation from the power plant. i'm happy you gave that idea up finally, but now you've moved on to this. sigh..... i called you on THAT bullsh!t then, like i'm calling you on this one now.

prove he was amped in that book. prove he was in any way stronger--at all--than he had been in books prior. lol at that notion. he's shattered asteroids 2x the earth's size but he must be amped by another universe because he smashed in glads' face? geniuses.... did he eventually gain power from that other universe? obviously. but the connection wasn't established until AFTER that annual--it played no part at all in that battle. the writer did NOT write that book with any 'amp' in mind and i defy you or anyone else to prove it to the contrary. just more and more drivel carver. stick with mindset and stay away from other sites and stop listening to people who don't know anything. you end up looking as bad as they do. Originally posted by psycho gundam
Always remember that the abyss stares back into you

Originally posted by psycho gundam

Always remember that the abyss stares back into you

Just so Kitty-Kat knows you've posted.

You know you can never stop this now that it has started, right?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
You know you can never stop this now that it has started, right?

I will stop if I so choose. I do what I want. It so happens right now I want to annoy Kitty-Kat.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Carver's a pole smoking queer.

You said a mouthful friend. Coincidentally Carver is a big fan of mouthfuls apparently.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I will stop if I so choose. I do what I want. It so happens right now I want to annoy Kitty-Kat. I don't think you understand how this works.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00087/79100270_Putin_87034c.jpg

The Puppet Master giveth, The Puppet Master taketh away. No more quoting psycho gundam.

well, actually I release you cause having a dude in my imploy that rocks a sig with his name proudly tramp-stamped on a buff dude's ass isn't a good look

It's me pointing-out the foreshadowing. Thanos is going to prison. You know what they do other than beat and stab child abusers in prison, right? He might as well put on ass-less chaps and sing this.

XKE3dIrRIbg

Originally posted by Dampyre
Yes, they fought. That's the only time the Surfer fought the post-Onslaught, Bannerless Hulk. The same version that Gladiator fought. Obviously, things turned out better for the Surfer. That's how it should be seeing how the Surfer is more powerful than Gladiator.

Hulk's mindset was completely different in both encounters. This is what I am trying to tell you. He was out for blood with Gladiator, the words he said against Surfer was as if he was talking to a friend during the end.

I hate you all for quoting him. Despise.

For the Thanos part...

Did people miss that Thanos said "I should deal with him personally."?

As for his return he said "According to scans and my database everything is once again as it was"

Maybe the reason he didnt fight him is because he didnt want to change the flow of events?

Originally posted by leonidas
do you know how full of utter sh!t that is?

the task is a simple one--prove that said 'amp' was at all involved in that gladiator book. really easy. i'll wait.

i find it hilarious though that this 'amp' ONLY amped his strength and not his durability. lol seriously?? in the old days you used to say glads was beat down because of the radiation from the power plant. i'm happy you gave that idea up finally, but now you've moved on to this. sigh..... i called you on THAT bullsh!t then, like i'm calling you on this one now.

prove he was amped in that book. prove he was in any way stronger--at all--than he had been in books prior. lol at that notion. he's shattered asteroids 2x the earth's size but he must be amped by another universe because he smashed in glads' face? geniuses.... did he eventually gain power from that other universe? obviously. but the connection wasn't established until AFTER that annual--it played no part at all in that battle. the writer did NOT write that book with any 'amp' in mind and i defy you or anyone else to prove it to the contrary. just more and more drivel carver. stick with mindset and stay away from other sites and stop listening to people who don't know anything. you end up looking as bad as they do.

This post doesn't make a bit of sense. It doesnt have to be referenced in every comic that Hulk is amped when we know that he is. He was amped, deal with it.

Originally posted by leonidas

out of curiosity--was there a definitive showing that demonstrated the...closure of his connection to this other universe?

Yes. Heroes Reborn: The Return #4, and the follow-up issue Incredible Hulk #460.

The other universe that Hulk was connected to was the Heroes Reborn universe. Because Banner existed in one and Hulk in the other, they became a conduit for energy flowing between the two. Once Banner was reunited with Hulk in the 616-verse, the Hulk's connection to the Reborn universe was closed.

Originally posted by leonidas

i find it hilarious though that this 'amp' ONLY amped his strength and not his durability. lol seriously??

Not sure why you find that hilarious - it was referenced in the comics numerous times, beginning with Incredible Hulk #449 in which Hulk expresses confusion as he feels "stronger than ever" but is badly wounded by a normal missile. At the end of that issue he collapses, an early symptom of the universal nexus energies damaging his health.

It was also made very explicit in IH #454 (both from dialogue and from Hulk collapsing into a coma after being attacked by a T-Rex), Deadpool #4 (in which Hulk is impaled on a broken street sign, much to the amazement of both Hulk and Deadpool), and Heroes Reborn: The Return #2.


Whether the writer was treating either the growing strength or the declining durability as a factor in the Gladiator fight is less certain. There's certainly no explicit reference to either element within the fight or annual, but it was published in the middle of this period.

The Gladiator fight is from Incredible Hulk Annual 1997, which was published in May 1997. IH #449 (in which Hulk first notes he is stronger than ever but his new vulnerability becomes apparent) was published in January of 1997. The nature of the Hulk's link to the new universe, and how it was simultaneously making him stronger whilst slowly killing him, was revealed in #450, published in February 1997.

At the start of the 1997 Annual, the Hulk is roaming the country side with Janis. He makes reference to a warning he gave the US Army in the Annual, a reference which must be referring to the "new rules" Hulk lays down at the end of IH #448. That means it must be set after the end of IH #448 (he leaves with Janis on the last page of that issue) and before IH #451 (Hulk takes over an island in Florida in that issue and doesn't leave it until the end of #453, at which point he separates from Janis).

So it is possible that the Annual was set before #449, which was before the Hulk noticed his increased strength and lower durability.

The fact that the Hulk's altered status isn't referenced once during the Annual though suggests to me the writer wasn't thinking of it as a factor when he wrote the Gladiator fight.



Cheers.

Tales to Atonish 92-93
Silver Surfer 1
Incredible Hulk 250

all other fights were draws

and the ONE time that Hulk beat SS. was Planet Hulk when both were depowered and Hulk had help

Originally posted by Estacado
For the Thanos part...

Did people miss that Thanos said "I should deal with him personally."?

As for his return he said "According to scans and my database everything is once again as it was"

Maybe the reason he didnt fight him is because he didnt want to change the flow of events?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Since the Pro-Surfer front can't counter the argument that Thanos wanted to beat the living shit out of Surfer with a smile (Surfer was alone), yet avoided the superior Gladiator who would have been alone too, which means Glads > Surfer in Thanos mind, we can go over to Thanos vs Glads.

I don't want to spoil the fun here but my guess would be. Thanos wants to change the timeline or something like this, a confrontation with Gladiator could unbalance it, while the others were taken into account. Or something along those lines. I don't really think he was afraid of Glads but still think he deems him more dangerous than Surfer who was always Thanos b!tch.

I desagree. Surfer was not in the group when Thanos said that about Gladiator.

When Surfer come, Thanos was able to fight 1v1 against him (he never said he could not beat Gladiator in 1v1). Also, BFR Surfer is kinda useless...he would come back to the battlefield in no time.

Originally posted by LGU
Yes. Heroes Reborn: The Return #4, and the follow-up issue Incredible Hulk #460.

The other universe that Hulk was connected to was the Heroes Reborn universe. Because Banner existed in one and Hulk in the other, they became a conduit for energy flowing between the two. Once Banner was reunited with Hulk in the 616-verse, the Hulk's connection to the Reborn universe was closed.



Not sure why you find that hilarious - it was referenced in the comics numerous times, beginning with Incredible Hulk #449 in which Hulk expresses confusion as he feels "stronger than ever" but is badly wounded by a normal missile. At the end of that issue he collapses, an early symptom of the universal nexus energies damaging his health.

It was also made very explicit in IH #454 (both from dialogue and from Hulk collapsing into a coma after being attacked by a T-Rex), Deadpool #4 (in which Hulk is impaled on a broken street sign, much to the amazement of both Hulk and Deadpool), and Heroes Reborn: The Return #2.


Whether the writer was treating either the growing strength or the declining durability as a factor in the Gladiator fight is less certain. There's certainly no explicit reference to either element within the fight or annual, but it was published in the middle of this period.

The Gladiator fight is from Incredible Hulk Annual 1997, which was published in May 1997. IH #449 (in which Hulk first notes he is stronger than ever but his new vulnerability becomes apparent) was published in January of 1997. The nature of the Hulk's link to the new universe, and how it was simultaneously making him stronger whilst slowly killing him, was revealed in #450, published in February 1997.

At the start of the 1997 Annual, the Hulk is roaming the country side with Janis. He makes reference to a warning he gave the US Army in the Annual, a reference which must be referring to the "new rules" Hulk lays down at the end of IH #448. That means it must be set after the end of IH #448 (he leaves with Janis on the last page of that issue) and before IH #451 (Hulk takes over an island in Florida in that issue and doesn't leave it until the end of #453, at which point he separates from Janis).

So it is possible that the Annual was set before #449, which was before the Hulk noticed his increased strength and lower durability.

The fact that the Hulk's altered status isn't referenced once during the Annual though suggests to me the writer wasn't thinking of it as a factor when he wrote the Gladiator fight.



Cheers.

Which means there is a huge possibility that he was amped since it was referenced months before that he was more powerful.

Originally posted by LGU
Yes. Heroes Reborn: The Return #4, and the follow-up issue Incredible Hulk #460.

The other universe that Hulk was connected to was the Heroes Reborn universe. Because Banner existed in one and Hulk in the other, they became a conduit for energy flowing between the two. Once Banner was reunited with Hulk in the 616-verse, the Hulk's connection to the Reborn universe was closed.



Not sure why you find that hilarious - it was referenced in the comics numerous times, beginning with Incredible Hulk #449 in which Hulk expresses confusion as he feels "stronger than ever" but is badly wounded by a normal missile. At the end of that issue he collapses, an early symptom of the universal nexus energies damaging his health.

It was also made very explicit in IH #454 (both from dialogue and from Hulk collapsing into a coma after being attacked by a T-Rex), Deadpool #4 (in which Hulk is impaled on a broken street sign, much to the amazement of both Hulk and Deadpool), and Heroes Reborn: The Return #2.


Whether the writer was treating either the growing strength or the declining durability as a factor in the Gladiator fight is less certain. There's certainly no explicit reference to either element within the fight or annual, but it was published in the middle of this period.

The Gladiator fight is from Incredible Hulk Annual 1997, which was published in May 1997. IH #449 (in which Hulk first notes he is stronger than ever but his new vulnerability becomes apparent) was published in January of 1997. The nature of the Hulk's link to the new universe, and how it was simultaneously making him stronger whilst slowly killing him, was revealed in #450, published in February 1997.

At the start of the 1997 Annual, the Hulk is roaming the country side with Janis. He makes reference to a warning he gave the US Army in the Annual, a reference which must be referring to the "new rules" Hulk lays down at the end of IH #448. That means it must be set after the end of IH #448 (he leaves with Janis on the last page of that issue) and before IH #451 (Hulk takes over an island in Florida in that issue and doesn't leave it until the end of #453, at which point he separates from Janis).

So it is possible that the Annual was set before #449, which was before the Hulk noticed his increased strength and lower durability.

The fact that the Hulk's altered status isn't referenced once during the Annual though suggests to me the writer wasn't thinking of it as a factor when he wrote the Gladiator fight.



Cheers.

Not taking sides, but this is exactly what happened to a T. I would have said something earlier, but it happened so long ago that I forgot the finer details. Your retelling of events have jogged my memory. Carver is correct here. The Hulk was amped to an unknown degree. This may mean that the Hulk would be unable to defeat Gladiator under normal circumstances. I say may not, because he still had healing issues, and his durability seemed to be below its normal state.

Originally posted by carver9
Which means there is a huge possibility that he was amped since it was referenced months before that he was more powerful.

In my opinion, it isn't just possible, he was amplified in terms of strength, while at the same time being weaker than ever in terms of durability, and healing. The Hulk was basically like a snowman slowly melting away. I think that you and Leo are both correct to a degree.

Originally posted by carver9
Which means there is a huge possibility that he was amped since it was referenced months before that he was more powerful.

He had noted that he felt stronger than ever prior to the publication of the Gladiator fight, absolutely. The serious side-effects of the universal nexus hadn't really begun to kick in by that point though - for example, he didn't begin to glow uncontrollably with the extra energy until Incredible Hulk #453 (which was published in the same month as the 1997 Annual, but had to take place after the Gladiator fight because immediately after #453 Hulk left Janis and disappeared to the Arctic).

It's also probably worth pointing out that the extent of the strength amp is a very open question. Hulk noted he felt "stronger than ever" once, Strange commented that he would grow in strength as time passed in #450, and the narration commented on it much later on, but it was hardly a World War Hulk-type set-up in which it was noted every single issue and by just about every single character that Hulk was stronger than he'd ever been.

His strength increase also wasn't a steady thing - it seemed to come in peaks and troughs. He was on the verge of losing to Mr Hyde in IH #458 before Mercy restored some of his strength. He was exhausted after beating the Abomination in #459 and noted it would take time for his strength to return etc etc.

It might also be worth noting that one of the editors suggested that the Hulk no longer possessed the ability to grow stronger with anger due to his separation from Banner:

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/nomadderstronger_zps714edea2.jpg

That was in the letters page of IH #452, published the month before the Gladiator fight.


So yes, from a strictly in-continuity point-of-view, it is possible that the Hulk who fought Gladiator was stronger (but notably less durable) than usual. However it is also possible that he no longer had the ability to grow stronger with rage. Does a higher base strength that had only just begun growing at the time of the Gladiator fight really make up for the loss of Hulk's key power?


Like I said though, none of these things are mentioned during the Gladiator fight itself. Whether the writer was considering any of them as factors in the fight, or just telling the story he wanted to, we can only guess at.


Cheers.

I think if canonically the characther has a downgrade or upgrade, dont matter if the writter was thinking in that or not.

Originally posted by LGU
He had noted that he felt stronger than ever prior to the publication of the Gladiator fight, absolutely. The serious side-effects of the universal nexus hadn't really begun to kick in by that point though - for example, he didn't begin to glow uncontrollably with the extra energy until Incredible Hulk #453 (which was published in the same month as the 1997 Annual, but had to take place after the Gladiator fight because immediately after #453 Hulk left Janis and disappeared to the Arctic).

It's also probably worth pointing out that the extent of the strength amp is a very open question. Hulk noted he felt "stronger than ever" once, Strange commented that he would grow in strength as time passed in #450, and the narration commented on it much later on, but it was hardly a World War Hulk-type set-up in which it was noted every single issue and by just about every single character that Hulk was stronger than he'd ever been.

His strength increase also wasn't a steady thing - it seemed to come in peaks and troughs. He was on the verge of losing to Mr Hyde in IH #458 before Mercy restored some of his strength. He was exhausted after beating the Abomination in #459 and noted it would take time for his strength to return etc etc.

It might also be worth noting that one of the editors suggested that the Hulk no longer possessed the ability to grow stronger with anger due to his separation from Banner:

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/nomadderstronger_zps714edea2.jpg

That was in the letters page of IH #452, published the month before the Gladiator fight.


So yes, from a strictly in-continuity point-of-view, it is possible that the Hulk who fought Gladiator was stronger (but notably less durable) than usual. However it is also possible that he no longer had the ability to grow stronger with rage. Does a higher base strength that had only just begun growing at the time of the Gladiator fight really make up for the loss of Hulk's key power?


Like I said though, none of these things are mentioned during the Gladiator fight itself. Whether the writer was considering any of them as factors in the fight, or just telling the story he wanted to, we can only guess at.


Cheers.

Makes sense. I guess it's debatable.