Originally posted by Mr Master
... but, it was actually a town-wide scale, so meh.
... credits to Galan, Operator, Kurb, and others including myself for proving this on panel fact.
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In the first on panel truth, Owen literally gauges the scale he controls by using a reference:
"I control the molecules of the world, well, the ones around me."
Translation for the laymen: I can't control molecules on a global scale! ... only molecules around me.
I mean, Norman had come into "his world" (close enough to him) to be affected by Owen.
The same detail applies to all the Avengers he owned. All at close range.
Second scan: Bendis again, tells us basically the same shit via another character named Victoria Hand.
** I'm not going to entertain this done debate, since those scans eliminate that potential anyway. stoned
Your stupidity doesn't know any limits, you god damn liar.
Here is the actual breakdown of the events and the plot reasoning in the Dark Avengers comic with the Molecule Man - everything you said is straight up nonsense, which you're making up, because you have the reading and comprehension skills of a 5 year old:
Originally posted by Enzeru
That's so hilarious, man. I went in-depth to debunk all that nonsense of yours and you're still at it
Okay, I will do it again.
Your argument is basically the following nonsense in disguise:
"Well, Molecule Man affected molecule matter on a +universal scale and since he lost to Sentry there is no way in hell he could have been that powerful anymore! Therefore he was depowered and could only affect a city and wanted to lose on top of that."
THAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT! And here are my arguments why what you're saying is utter bullshit:
1. Molecule Man's power level was not limited to a city-scale.
The reason why he was operating inside the city was because he grew up in that city and went back to it, to live there in peace. He was only affecting intruders to protect his home.
^ Stated on panel multiple times. Actually read the comic.
2. Molecule Man was making direct hints at his actual power level from the past by asking Daken how he was able to fight past his molecule manipulation. He then realized that he was only able to do that, because he is the son of Wolverine and Wolverine's healing factor somewhat protected him from the molecule manipulation in the past.
Molecule Man still turned Daken into a tree and the Adamantium inside Bullseyes body into liquid. (Note that he was affecting organic matter, something older versions of the Molecule Man were not able to do due to mental issues.)
^ Stated on panel multiple times. Actually read the comic.
3. If we for some reason translate your so called city-scaled limitation of Molecule Man's power into regular power, would that mean that heralds like the Sentry (at least high herald) can be killed by city-scaled explosions?
Because that's what Molecule Man did to the Sentry. He blew him up into many, many pieces. No one with power on a city-wide scale does that to a high herald level being at least. No one.
^ Stated on panel multiple times. Actually read the comic.
Molecule Man was perfectly fine.
Molecule Man lost, because he wasn't able to deal with Sentry's power. He was yelling at him, asking him how he was doing that to him. Molecule Man was in pain and was forced to revert everything back to normal. Then he got BFR'ed / killed / turned into a werewolf / whatever by the Sentry.
He lost that encounter straight up. Nothing implied that he wanted to get destroyed other than his self-created mirror images telling him that he wants to be found and killed, which he was denying it and saying that he only protects his home.
Everything has been explained in the comic. What you're doing is not only ignoring the dialogue of the characters in the comic, but also making own assumptions and all of that, because you think that Sentry beating Molecule Man is PIS.
It's not PIS... Spider-Man beating Firelord is PIS, because it happens only for the sake of the plot and without Spider-Man ever backing it up later on. The only reason it's there is to let the plot roll and in such cases the plot rolls over corpses.
When it comes to the Sentry however, the Molecule Man instance didn't really serve much more purpose than to show how insanely powerful the Sentry really is. A character, who has been called godlike and omnipotent multiple times prior to that. character that has been hyped up for years, finally lived up to his hype and in the end of the day it ended up being plot development for that character to establish him as the final boss of the Dark Reign / Siege saga.
And here is even more stuff, that exposes Mr. Master as a pathetic, butthurt liar:
Originally posted by Enzeru
Molecule Man created illusions of few powerful Marvel characters around him. They were talking all kind of weird stuff to him. Like for example one illusion told him that what Victoria Hand was telling him made sense, while another illusion told him that she was lying and that he should kill her.
One illusion said that Molecule Man only wanted to be left alone, while one illusion said that he wants to be found and lose the fight.
NOW YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE MR. MASTER SEEING THAT ONE STATEMENT OF AN ILLUSION, WHICH IS BASICALLY ONLY MOLECULE MAN'S MIND PLAYING TRICKS ON HIM ...
... and he still picks that one statement, which is in a sea of many. All the other stuff the illusions said and Molecule Man denied or refused to follow become totally unimportant for someone like Mr. Master and that one statement, that says that he wants to lose becomes everything! Even though Molecule Man himself denied that over and over and over again. Even though Molecule Man himself tried fighting back at the end, but simply couldn't, because the Sentry overpowered him.
Come on guys, I can't be the only one, who sees the total madness that is being discussed here!
Molecule Man didn't want to die in that fight. He was fighting until his last breath. He simply got overpowered.
Now if Molecule Man kept on screaming "Kill me, Kill me, I want to die", the way Robert Reynolds did it in the end of the Siege on Asgard, we would have a discussion here, but Molecule Man straight up lost.
