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two powerful high council members vs the fearsome General grevious.

Morals off.

Location. Kamino

Lightsabers

Force Powers

All-out.

Who wins?

Jedi.

one thing is for sure... the team stomps force.

Likely Grievous

Originally posted by carthage
Likely Grievous

I may be wasting my time, but screw it i've got nothing better to do and people might actually believe your BS.

So, Grevious is impressive, but Adi Gallia did give him a good fight and Shaak Ti at her peak gave Starkiller H-E-L-L, he only survived because of a last minute TK blast/shove. they're both very powerful duelist and Shaak Ti herself at her peak would give Grevious trouble imo.

Shaak Ti and Adi Gallia well give grevious trouble with Lightsabers.

and in force

Originally posted by Emperordmb
one thing is for sure... the team stomps force.



*yawns* try harder next time, Carthage.

Old Clone Wars cartoon Grievous stomps with ease. Any other version probably loses the majority.

Originally posted by Trocity
Old Clone Wars cartoon Grievous stomps with ease.

Old CW Grievous did beat some masters, but they were masters who'd been engaged in long battle and were not at all fresh.

OCW Griev very much liked to stack the deck in his favor before fights with anyone powerful.

I have the theory that Grievous was so stagnant in his abilities that eventually his unpredictability stopped having the stomp effect it once had on the Jedi. They eventually just saw through what he was doing and thus he became far less effective.

Quite the contrary. When Grievous first popped up on Hypori, he was entirely new and unpredictable to the Jedi, and the Jedi were all worn out and exhausted. This led to Grievous's victory on Hypori. After that point, the Jedi were more prepared for Grievous considering that he was known to them and that they didn't face Grievous in the same condition as the Jedi on Hypori, which led to some of his lower showings. Grievous does however seem to improve as the clone wars progresses, to the point of being able to defend against Windu, and having an offense great enough to overwhelm Kenobi's defenses.

I actually devoted an entire thread to Grievous's respective performances: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=595911

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I may be wasting my time, but screw it i've got nothing better to do and people might actually believe your BS.




Thanks cause I believed his BS!

Hahaha

Team.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I may be wasting my time, but screw it i've got nothing better to do and people might actually believe your BS.

So, Grevious is impressive, but Adi Gallia did give him a good fight and Shaak Ti at her peak gave Starkiller H-E-L-L, he only survived because of a last minute TK blast/shove.


and in force







He's physically more powerful, faster, and can take more damage than any of their force attacks can throw at them. He's moved fast enough to form a tornado with his blades, moved fast enough to appear to teleport, overwhelm the force sensitives of Ki Adi Mundi, Shaak Ti, and other Jedi masters, strikes at 20 times per second, and broken durasteel with his bare hands.

These two get destroyed, Gallia has ZERO force feats to suggest
she can break his defense.



That's nice? Assuming this is his most powerful incarnation, he's given trouble to Obi wan and fought far more powerful opponents. Gallia is fodder and TFU Shaak Ti can only hope to give him a fight for a while but she'll be overwhelmed.

Shaak Ti solos.

Et tu Stark?

Originally posted by carthage

These two get destroyed, Gallia has ZERO force feats to suggest
she can break his defense.


Fortunately she's not alone.

And in her fight with Savage, she was doing pretty well in the sabers, she just had trouble when she underestimated his physical toughness then got hit with the force (followed by horns).

Adi'll be a help here, and Grievous has never taken on a *fresh* Shaak Ti before.

Shaak Ti solo's.

Originally posted by Q99
Fortunately she's not alone.

And in her fight with Savage, she was doing pretty well in the sabers, she just had trouble when she underestimated his physical toughness then got hit with the force (followed by horns).

Adi'll be a help here, and Grievous has never taken on a *fresh* Shaak Ti before.

And considering this is prime Grievous and not TCW Grievous, he's faster, physically stronger, and she lacks any force feats to suggest she can break his exoskeleton.

Ti is a far better duelist, and while there isn't too much evidence she became more skilled aftet TCW she can't beat him alone. She can keep up with him, but she doesn't have any feats with TK or any offensive Sith like powers to suggest to me she can break his defense.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Shaak Ti solo's.


homer

Blood is about to spill, all right. The Jedi's.

Originally posted by carthage
Et tu Stark?

"I pity you should you have to face off against any of the Council members. Must I demonstrate what would happen should you fight Obi-Wan Kenobi or Shaak Ti, Mace Windu, or stars help you, Yoda?"

Originally posted by carthage
And considering this is prime Grievous and not TCW Grievous, he's faster, physically stronger, and she lacks any force feats to suggest she can break his exoskeleton.

Doesn't have to break it, she just has to help give Shaak openings.




Good thing she's not on her own.

Neither has to be individually strong enough, just good enough that between the two of them they can get sabers hits.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Shaak Ti solo's.

Originally posted by carthage
He's physically more powerful, faster, and can take more damage than any of their force attacks can throw at them. He's moved fast enough to form a tornado with his blades, moved fast enough to appear to teleport, overwhelm the force sensitives of Ki Adi Mundi, Shaak Ti, and other Jedi masters, strikes at 20 times per second, and broken durasteel with his bare hands.

Not arguing against him bro, but most of that is attributed to him being a cyborg, is that any less impressive? no, it still is.

Second. The jedi were exhausted from fighting off the droids, it's impressive that Ti and Mundi lasted the longest considering the other three - including Aayla, were dealt with quite quickly.



Um....this does suggest other wise..

http://www.starwars-holocron.net/images/comics/extraits/republic-31--the-hunt-for-aurra-sing-part-4-389.png




At her peak Shaak Ti gave Starkiller hell, and his skill with the blade remained relatively the same throughout the Novel and Game even up to his fight with Vader. she alone would give him hell and Gallia has gone head to head with Grevious. these to take it with moderate difficulty

What does "break his defense" even mean? Grievous isn't a force user, he has no literal way of defending himself from things like telekinesis.

He weighs, what? Around a few hundred pounds? There's absolutely nothing stopping either Adi, or Shaak Ti or both, from lifting his ass up into the air and tearing him a new one in a CIS-less environment.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
What does "break his defense" even mean? Grievous isn't a force user, he has no literal way of defending himself from things like telekinesis.

He weighs, what? Around a few hundred pounds? There's absolutely nothing stopping either Adi, or Shaak Ti or both, from lifting his ass up into the air and tearing him a new one in a CIS-less environment.

He can dodge TK or use his talons to dig in and flat out tank it. Watch the original Clone Wars.

Like he did when Obi-Wan casually launched his ass 50 feet in the air in Revenge of the Sith? Or Mace casually crushing his chest in the cartoon?

And, if you're referring to his dodging of Ki-Adi-Mundi's attack, that seemed to be a projectile of some kind, rather than actually grabbing him with levitation.

When has Grievous dodged TK other than in OCW?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Like he did when Obi-Wan casually launched his ass 50 feet in the air in Revenge of the Sith? Or Mace casually crushing his chest in the cartoon?

That's what you're missing. Not everyone can tag Grievous. Mace and Kenobi are among the top 5 Jedi in the Order. Shaak Ti can land a hit, but I am not convinced Adi can.



He dodged more than just Ki-Adi's.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
That's what you're missing. Not everyone can tag Grievous. Mace and Kenobi are among the top 5 Jedi in the Order. Shaak Ti can land a hit, but I am not convinced Adi can.Obi-Wan is not known for his power in the force, and even if he was I'm curious to know what line of logic you're using to assume that power in the force correlates to the ability to tag someone with the force. Even younglings have the capacity to react to and deflect blaster bolts. Yet, Grievous is supposedly this inhuman blur that Jedi are helpless against with their instantaneous super powers?

And, this disagrees with your assertion that Grievous is some sort of uber force dodger. That force push was highly telegraphed.

Provide an example? There's numerous instances of him being tagged by force users with force attacks.

Just throwing this out there, but even Ahsoka has Force pushed him...

He's considerably faster than Gallia based on showings. He strikes at 20 times a second, and even Obi Wan who is a far greater swordsman than Gallia had troublle fending off his offense in ROTS. Ti is really the one carrying the burden for the fight, even if they were tired he still overwhelmed their senses simultaneously and demonstrated similar speed against Obi wan. There is nothing to show Gallia can handle his speed.



Not seeing how a boulder can puncture his armor when it was made to tank cannon fire.



Ti's best TK feat are hurling droids, breaking duracreet in OCW, and hurling debris. Nothing indicates in her upper showings she can break his armor either.




Yeah, but alone she'd just irritate him and he'd beat her much the same as he did before due to his superior speed, power, and durability.

Is this TCW Grievous or not?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Obi-Wan is not known for his power in the force, and even if he was I'm curious to know what line of logic you're using to assume that power in the force correlates to the ability to tag someone with the force. Even younglings have the capacity to react to and deflect blaster bolts. Yet, Grievous is supposedly this inhuman blur that Jedi are helpless against with their instantaneous super powers?


Yeah, sorry but considering Kenobi was able to match Anakin's TK he's no slouch in that department. Unless you think Mustafar Anakin's skill was somehow reduced to AOTCs levels. And bad example considering Fisto himself is faster than AOTCs Kenobi can see, and Ashoka is a low end showing.



There are also numerous instances of him dodging.
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Casually dodging Ki-Adi's Force Push, 4:13
Deflecting Shaak Ti's TK'ed objects 4:32
Easily recovering from Dooku's TK 10:40
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Dodges TK, 2:25
Dodges TK again, 2:28
Tanks TK strong enough to rip off Durasteel plates and bend them, 3:41

It's common sense that he can dodge TK or tank it, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to kill a bunch of jedi during the clone wars. If anyone could just lift him up and slam him like a normal droid, he would be garbage.

Eeth Koth has had him down and defeated with TK, (a Council member but not one of the elite few as far as I'm aware). Kit Fisto has also floored him.

If we ignored Legends and just took "Official Canon" Pre-SOD, then I would agree any Council member could own Grievous via TK. But after SOD I'm not too sure. He did seem like a legitimate challenge to Maul. Maul will obviously still beat him every time, but then Adi-Gallia is no Maul.

Still I see his chances of winning against 2 Council Members (provided they're not completely exhausted from previous battles) being pretty negligible.