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Before you think this is a stomp

*Mace has the amp he had from Palpatine
*OCW feats are valid along with the amp
*ROTS novelization feats are valid
*He is also being amped by the Sith
*Mace is also bloodlusted

Battle takes place on Korriban

Even with as much amps as all that, there's only so many blades/force someone can block at once!

He is moving at Palpatines speed, and he is amped by them as well

Sure, but even being amped enough to be faster isn't enough to deal with four-on-one of this power.

It is when his base speed is that of Palpatine and he is being amped simultaneously by the other Sith. Any other opinions?

Mace would stomp any of them 1v1, heck he could take Bane and Malgus at the same time with those stips.
But all 4 of them at once is too much.

Mace gets brutally killed.

Mace gets curbstomped.

4 lightsabers including Kun's double bladed one, amulet blasts, dark transfer, orbalisk armor.

Way too much for him, Mace gets smashed

If this was sabers only, I could see him winning, just because of now Palpatine won. 4 people all half your power don't equate to beating you in Star Wars Terms.

But he just has too much to deal with in terms of force powers.

Originally posted by Selenial
If this was sabers only, I could see him winning, just because of now Palpatine won. 4 people all half your power don't equate to beating you in Star Wars Terms.

But he just has too much to deal with in terms of force powers.



Any member of the team would be a decent challenge to Windu in a pure saber fight. There is no way he could win against 4 of them.

Originally posted by Sinious


Any member of the team would be a decent challenge to Windu in a pure saber fight. There is no way he could win against 4 of them.

Amped to beyond ROTS Sidious levels, with even more amp slapped on top, the ability to punch clean through battle droids and bloodlusted?

If you think any of them would last more than two seconds in a one on one duel with that you are sadly mistaken.

Originally posted by Sinious
Any member of the team would be a decent challenge to Windu in a pure saber fight. There is no way he could win against 4 of them.

So true. And even if he is moving as "Sidious' speed" with the amp, in pure sabers, these guys aren't going to get cut down like Tiin and Kolar. The level of combatant he faces in this fight is just too high. He has no chance here.

Originally posted by Selenial
Amped to beyond ROTS Sidious levels, with even more amp slapped on top, the ability to punch clean through battle droids and bloodlusted?

If you think any of them would last more than two seconds in a one on one duel with that you are sadly mistaken.

Either of those guys would stomp Tiin or Agen in a duel.

@ Trocity, Nalaniel



Originally posted by Selenial
Amped to beyond ROTS Sidious levels, with even more amp slapped on top, the ability to punch clean through battle droids and bloodlusted?

If you think any of them would last more than two seconds in a one on one duel with that you are sadly mistaken.



You will find that it is you who are sadly mistaken, about a great many things. Each sith in this thread is capable of standing their ground against the deadliest opponents. At least for a time. Tiin and Agen shouldn't effect your judgement as their power levels are irrelevant in this match.

Originally posted by carthage


*Mace has the amp he had from Palpatine


*He is also being amped by the Sith


This is stupid. How the heck are we supposed to quantify this amp which he has which is beyond Sidious level by an unquantifiable amount?

Anyone saying Mace gets stomped is also being stupid, because for all we know this further amp is making Mace more powerful than all his opponents here combined.

Mace gets stomped

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Anyone saying Mace gets stomped is also being stupid, because for all we know this further amp is making Mace more powerful than all his opponents here combined.


You're acting a if Vaapad somehow even adds a fraction of the opponent's power level to your own. I've also seen zero showings of it helping in the Force department, where he is completely outmatched here when facing four different people.

Yeah, if that's how that works then Mace should have been doubly amped against Maul and Dooku and beat the shit out of both of them.

Or maybe Vapaad isn't the "I win" button people think it is. This thread is dumb.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice


You're acting a if Vaapad somehow even adds a fraction of the opponent's power level to your own. I've also seen zero showings of it helping in the Force department, where he is completely outmatched here when facing four different people.

And maybe you're not reading the OP. He has Palpatine's base amp as well as the additional amps from the Sith. His TK in OCW blew open durasteel tanks, he can one shot any one of the Sith with TK alone as well as potentially blitz them.

Originally posted by carthage
And maybe you're not reading the OP. He has Palpatine's base amp as well as the additional amps from the Sith. His TK in OCW blew open durasteel tanks, he can one shot any one of the Sith with TK alone as well as potentially blitz them.
Maybe you're not reading the part where I said that doesn't matter.

Windu's amp from Palpatine did him little Force-wise, and neither will the much weaker "amps" here, not that they'll be "combined" in any fashion. And even with his "OCW" feats, he still exists pass that point and has dueled passed that point, so you really aren't accomplishing anything by adding them here when they were never removed in the first place.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maybe you're not reading the part where I said that doesn't matter.

Windu's amp from Palpatine did him little Force-wise, and neither will the much weaker "amps" here, not that they'll be "combined" in any fashion. And even with his "OCW" feats, he still exists pass that point and has dueled passed that point, so you really aren't accomplishing anything by adding them here when they were never removed in the first place.

His TK feats surpass anything from the Sith, he's faster, and can easily blitz them at any point in time. You're not really accomplishing anything by not acknowledging the fact that even at base speed with his amp, he's already moving faster than the Sith can perceive. With any additional amp adding to that (Vaapad loop), he is going to blinkstomp the Sith.



That's only with his amp from Palpatine. Unless you have feats for Malgus or Kun that suggest they can even do anything other than perceive him in the force, they're dead. Again he's being actively amped by them through Vaapad as per the OP. If you don't like the parameters go post elsewhere.

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Sidious couldn't blitz Savage, you think he can blitz these Sith?

He was toying with them in that fight, laughing and enjoying battling with them and not even trying. When he got serious Maul saw more blades than he could perceive. If he wanted to one shot either of them he could've done so just like he did to Tiin and Kolar

Originally posted by carthage
His TK feats surpass anything from the Sith, he's faster, and can easily blitz them at any point in time. You're not really accomplishing anything by not acknowledging the fact that even at base speed with his amp, he's already moving faster than the Sith can perceive. With any additional amp adding to that (Vaapad loop), he is going to blinkstomp the Sith.

And yet Maul was still able to contend with him and Aayla, which you seem to not be able to comprehend. As Vaapad has absolutely nothing to do with strengthening Mace Force-wise, he's not TK stomping anyone. He's also not blitzing anyone on this team who moved at his amped speed normally.


Vaapad creates loops between you and the opponent, not you and everyone around you, that is why no matter how many top level sith you add in, it won't matter. He's not drawing from all of them and was already pushed to the limits of Vaapad by RotS Sidious alone. Not the limits of Mace, the limits of Vaapad period. It's not some win all you can pull to get out of any situation.

So does this mean Mace starts off with the Sidious amp and then gets another one because of vapaad or do you mean his vapaad amp is at levels of when he faced Sidious?

If its the former, Mace may have a chance. If it's the latter you don't know how vapaad works.

He's starting off with Sidious's amp right at the start of the match and gains additional ones on top of the amp from Sidious

LOL Bane alone could give Windu one hell of a fight, add Exar Kun, Reborn Krayt and Emperor Malgus?! lol this is spite.

Krayt utilizes Dark Transfer, fight is over.

Originally posted by carthage
He was toying with them in that fight, laughing and enjoying battling with them and not even trying. When he got serious Maul saw more blades than he could perceive. If he wanted to one shot either of them he could've done so just like he did to Tiin and Kolar

Even then, Sidious in his fight with Windu was far stronger than the Sidious vs Maul.

In his fight with Maul he only brought enough to bear to kill Maul whilst trying to not draw massive attention by exerting all his power.

In his fight with Windu, both were at their limits.

But again, with the force there's no way Windu can win.

Originally posted by carthage
He was toying with them in that fight, laughing and enjoying battling with them and not even trying. When he got serious Maul saw more blades than he could perceive. If he wanted to one shot either of them he could've done so just like he did to Tiin and Kolar

Bull crap speculative statement with zero proof to back it up.

As for the description of Maul seeing too many lightsabers to count and getting blitz... Happened completely different in the actual episode.

In fact in that final fight, Maul was displaying equal speed to Sidious.

You guys are funny.

Try comparing Windu's OCW feats to those of Orbalisk Bane. ROFLAMO. Bane is one-shotted.

The rest don't fare any better. Remember when Sidious manhandled the B-team in like five seconds? This Windu has his base that let him match that Sidious, + feats from the most haxxed series in the mythos, + more vaapad off of each of these jokers. That they have four (or three, after Bane is one shotted) lightsabers means jack shit if they're all moving in slow motion compared to him.