Will Marvel realunch their whole line?

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Golgo13
With new #1's? Not too surprising, if they do.

http://www.newsarama.com/21974-could-a-may-2015-avengers-relaunch-mean-a-line-wide-marvel-relaunch-reboot.html

Tzeentch
I'm so glad I don't read comics.

BruceSkywalker
not a surprise, happens all the time

Lek Kuen
The organized time skip is surprising though if they really do jump ahead a several years in the end. They've never really set a uniformed aging, aging some kid characters while keeping others the same age for decades. Or speaking on some peoples new ages while keeping others perpetually a set range etc

Galan007
facepalm

Prof. T.C McAbe
Whatever they do, the fans lose.

Q99
Originally posted by Golgo13
With new #1's? Not too surprising, if they do.

http://www.newsarama.com/21974-could-a-may-2015-avengers-relaunch-mean-a-line-wide-marvel-relaunch-reboot.html


A reboot? Hah! They're kicking DC's butt right now.


All-new number 1s? ... possibly, but they just did that.




Also they just released, with a lot of promoting, several female-lead books that are making a splash. It'd be silly to restart them at least, since they'd be at, what, issue 7-8? So I suspect only some books would be hit.

Time skip is possible.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Q99
A reboot? Hah! They're kicking DC's butt right now.


All-new number 1s? ... possibly, but they just did that.




Also they just released, with a lot of promoting, several female-lead books that are making a splash. It'd be silly to restart them at least, since they'd be at, what, issue 7-8? So I suspect only some books would be hit.

Time skip is possible.

I didn't say reboot, but a relaunch.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Whatever they do, the fans lose.

Yeah, I'm sick of Marvel's events. They're not very good on average and their constant relaunch's aren't necessary. But they do it for money, so...

SevenShackles
What are the pros and cons here?

Q99
Originally posted by Golgo13
I didn't say reboot, but a relaunch.

The article said reboot, so I'm more making fun of them.


Originally posted by Golgo13
Yeah, I'm sick of Marvel's events. They're not very good on average and their constant relaunch's aren't necessary. But they do it for money, so...


I do find the story structure of 'tell a run, allow it to end, then at the new number 1 do something different,' works pretty well from purely a story standpoint.

Agreed on the events being weak. The follow-ups to them tend to be pretty good, but the events themselves are usually less interesting than the status quo change fallout.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Q99
The article said reboot, so I'm more making fun of them.





I do find the story structure of 'tell a run, allow it to end, then at the new number 1 do something different,' works pretty well from purely a story standpoint.

Agreed on the events being weak. The follow-ups to them tend to be pretty good, but the events themselves are usually less interesting than the status quo change fallout.

I like that too, but only when it's necessary. For example, DCnU's Green Arrow run was horrible. When Lemire jumped on board, they should have relaunched it. To distant itself from the previous run. But Marvel does it too much and it's just a cash grab, IMO, because #1's sell better.

Marvel sales units are down, though. Both DC and Marvel vs 3 or so years ago. So, it's no surprise.

Q99
Originally posted by Golgo13
I like that too, but only when it's necessary. For example, DCnU's Green Arrow run was horrible. When Lemire jumped on board, they should have relaunched it. To distant itself from the previous run. But Marvel does it too much and it's just a cash grab, IMO, because #1's sell better.

There's some that I don't think have been necessary- the Daredevil one, where he moved towns, or Captain Marvel, when she went to space, but most of them have reflected significant team changes and such.




July was literally record breaking for the diamond-exclusive era, in a month where marvel won on market share in dollars and units by 7%. Units are up 11% from last year, 17% from five years ago.

So, quite the opposite! They really are dominating, and the industry as a whole is up.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Q99
There's some that I don't think have been necessary- the Daredevil one, where he moved towns, or Captain Marvel, when she went to space, but most of them have reflected significant team changes and such.




July was literally record breaking for the diamond-exclusive era, in a month where marvel won on market share in dollars and units by 7%. Units are up 11% from last year, 17% from five years ago.

So, quite the opposite! They really are dominating, and the industry as a whole is up.

I've looked at the numbers for the big books like Hulk, Avengers, Iron Man, FF, etc... The sales were higher back than vs today. Unless I missed something. But Marvel sales aren't what they used to be.

And agree to disagree on the constant relaunches.

Q99
Originally posted by Golgo13
I've looked at the numbers for the big books like Hulk, Avengers, Iron Man, FF, etc... The sales were higher back than vs today. Unless I missed something. But Marvel sales aren't what they used to be.

They're higher in almost everything else, though, and there's more of them. X-men went from 3 books with X-men in the title to 5, and so did Avengers (granted, Mighty and World are lower tier, but still).


Then you have new franchises like Guardians of the Galaxy, and a number of solos selling good that weren't then, or simply didn't exist- Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, that fun stuff.


Marvel has a ton of second-tier books and each of their main lines is maintaining larger number of books selling a good amount.



Like the site says, July was literally the highest-selling month since Diamond became sole comic distributor in 1997. That's a 17 year high- though you have to go back a couple years into the pre-diamond exclusive era to get higher, so more like a 20-some year high.


To mention something else about the sales chart- the number 300 position, five years ago, was 4,000 sales. Now it's 6,000. The comic industry is increasing it's number of reasonably-selling titles, even if it has a bit fewer individually very-high selling titles.




Yea, different tastes.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Q99
They're higher in almost everything else, though, and there's more of them. X-men went from 3 books with X-men in the title to 5, and so did Avengers (granted, Mighty and World are lower tier, but still).


Then you have new franchises like Guardians of the Galaxy, and a number of solos selling good that weren't then, or simply didn't exist- Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, that fun stuff.


Marvel has a ton of second-tier books and each of their main lines is maintaining larger number of books selling a good amount.



Like the site says, July was literally the highest-selling month since Diamond became sole comic distributor in 1997. That's a 17 year high- though you have to go back a couple years into the pre-diamond exclusive era to get higher, so more like a 20-some year high.


To mention something else about the sales chart- the number 300 position, five years ago, was 4,000 sales. Now it's 6,000. The comic industry is increasing it's number of reasonably-selling titles, even if it has a bit fewer individually very-high selling titles.




Yea, different tastes.

Well, I also looked at books like Cap, Iron Fist, and Ghost Rider. All lower sales. Not just picking one month, but looking across the board here.

Here are the sales estimates, BTW.

Marvel Sales - Top 300 (Jan- Jul) 2014 - 17,649,265 estimated units.
Marvel Sales - Top 300 (Jan- Jul) 2013 - 19,351,831 estimated units.

And here are the figures for 1997-2012:
2013 - 31,243,347 estimated units
2012 - 30,278,745 estimated units.
2011 - 29,522,809 estimated units
2010 - 29,998,200 estimated units
2009 - 34,167,744 estimated units
2008 - 37,269,988 estimated units
2007 - 38,132,744 estimated units
2006 - 34,647,105 estimated units
2005 - 32,461,832 estimated units
2004 - 32,021,066 estimated units
2003 - 28,974,336 estimated units
2002 - 28,473,404 estimated units
2001 - 25,349,296 estimated units
2000 - 21,948,494 estimated units - Joe Quesada becomes EIC.
1999 - 24,111,104 estimated units
1998 - 27,015,555 estimated units
1997 - 32,664,192 estimated units

Kazenji
Originally posted by Tzeentch
I'm so glad I don't read comics.

There's more to comics besides the big two companies


as for this thing, Yeah it'll most likely just be a relaunch but not quite what DC did with their stuff
Originally posted by Q99


Agreed on the events being weak. The follow-ups to them tend to be pretty good, but the events themselves are usually less interesting than the status quo change fallout.

Some of the ones that start they begin good but then either by the mddle or end it just falls to bits.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Kazenji
There's more to comics besides the big two companies


as for this thing, Yeah it'll most likely just be a relaunch but not quite what DC did with their stuff.

thumb up

Image, Vertigo, and Valiant FTW.

Kazenji
I'm more Dark Horse & IDW

Q99
IDW is great. Antarctic Press, Archie, Red 5....

Originally posted by Golgo13
Well, I also looked at books like Cap, Iron Fist, and Ghost Rider. All lower sales. Not just picking one month, but looking across the board here.

Those aren't particularly representative ones. IF just got a crap relaunch, Cap five years ago was right off of his return... dunno about Ghost Rider.

Spider-man, on the flip side, is up. June 2011, two issues in the 50ks. June 2014, 100k and 80k (not using July because July 2011 had a 'special' issue, but the total's still less).

Deadpool was at 27k, now he's at 49k... and involved in multiple "Deadpool vs X" books that go from 54k to 36k.


Different books move up and down.


Btw, where are you getting the unit totals per company? I can find the overall, but not Marvel or DC only.


Going by the overall, so far, 2014 has 46 million units in the top 300, and 2011 had 37.9 million by it's July. Considering Marvel's had good market share throughout... it seems odd that their total units would drop.

Kazenji
Originally posted by Q99
IDW is great. Antarctic Press, Archie, Red 5....


I've also been trying out Boom Studio's

also use to get some things from Dynamite (mainly Army of Darkness) but not much going for it for me now.

Enzeru
Originally posted by SevenShackles
What are the pros and cons here?

PROS:

+ Old readers get the perfect chance to jump off.

CONS:

- New readers will fall into the trap.

Bentley
Originally posted by Enzeru
PROS:

+ Old readers get the perfect chance to jump off.

CONS:

- New readers will fall into the trap.

Pros:
- You can try instead one of the many independant comics that are better than the mainstream ones.
- It happens so often that you can resell full runs without too much trouble.
- It makes you stop giving a sh_t faster.


Cons:

- People no longer know how to count up to 100.
- Marvel gets richer and you feel guilty of going to watch their movies.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Q99
IDW is great. Antarctic Press, Archie, Red 5....



Those aren't particularly representative ones. IF just got a crap relaunch, Cap five years ago was right off of his return... dunno about Ghost Rider.

Spider-man, on the flip side, is up. June 2011, two issues in the 50ks. June 2014, 100k and 80k (not using July because July 2011 had a 'special' issue, but the total's still less).

Deadpool was at 27k, now he's at 49k... and involved in multiple "Deadpool vs X" books that go from 54k to 36k.


Different books move up and down.


Btw, where are you getting the unit totals per company? I can find the overall, but not Marvel or DC only.


Going by the overall, so far, 2014 has 46 million units in the top 300, and 2011 had 37.9 million by it's July. Considering Marvel's had good market share throughout... it seems odd that their total units would drop.

In the DC estimates thread at CBR forums. Some poster did both DC's and Marvel's. DC's is still pretty healthy, but when you look at the numbers all books drop (except for a select few). Both Marvel and DC's drop lower than previous years, which is why they continuously shake things up, double ship, and relaunch their books.

Kazenji
Originally posted by Q99

Those aren't particularly representative ones. IF just got a crap relaunch, Cap five years ago was right off of his return... dunno about Ghost Rider.
.

How is the new Iron Fist book crap?

or are you talking about more its sales.

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