Vitiate, Nihilus and Kreia run a gauntlet
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Stigma
Wasn't it confimed that Anakin. Dooku and Ulic are immune to the effects of the dark reaper, and by extension, to the team's force drains?
Nephthys
Do you think that matters?
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Stigma
Wasn't it confimed that Anakin. Dooku and Ulic are immune to the effects of the dark reaper, and by extension, to the team's force drains?
Confirmed isn't the right word, but team really doesn't need drain to clear here.
Stigma
Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you think that matters?
If the team starts with that technique, then sure, it matters greatly because it won't work on Anakin/Dooku/Ulic.
If they fight smart, they might clear #2.
On the other hand I see Dooku taking down Kreia really fast, not sure if Anakin and Ulic can hold off Vitiate/Nihilus though.
As for the rest of the gauntlet Kreia is outclassed by most and Vitiate will fall in combat to either one of trio Sidious/Plagueis/Caedus.
Nephthys
Originally posted by Stigma
If the team starts with that technique, then sure, it matters greatly because it won't work on Anakin/Dooku/Ulic.
If they fight smart, they might clear #2.
On the other hand I see Dooku taking down Kreia realy fast, not sure if Anakin and Ulic can holf off Vitiate/Nihilus though.
As for the rest of the gauntlet Kreia is outclassed by most and Vitiate will fall in combat to either one of trio Sidious/Plagueis/Caedus.
Well firstly it would likely still work. The "defense" against that technique was simply to establish a link to the Force and replenish your reserves as they're being drained. But getting hit by two drains at once, one of them as potent as Nihilus' will likely drain them faster than they can restore themselves.
Secondly no way is Dooku taking her down fast and Anakin and Ulic are thoroughly outclassed by Vitiate and Nihilus. They get ragdolled, blasted by lightning or dominated with TP.
And thirdly it doesn't matter if Traya is outclassed since her and Nihilus Giga-Drain all the way to the finish line.
Trocity
Dominated with Toilet Paper?
Jk. Agree.
Sinious
Nihilus solos until 5. They take 5 as a team though.
NewGuy01
#3 would be an awesome fight. They probably lose at 5, though.
carthage
They get stomped horribly at 5. Vitiate gets ragdolled by Sidious, and Plagueis oneshots Nihilus with TK
Sinious
Originally posted by carthage
They get stomped horribly at 5. Vitiate gets ragdolled by Sidious, and Plagueis oneshots Nihilus with TK
Wrong, for so many reasons...
DarthAnt66
Nihilus' TK utterly outclasses Plagueis' and Sidious'.
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by NewGuy01
#3 would be an awesome fight. They probably lose at 5, though.
Lulz.
Traya may be out of her league there, but they really don't need her to finish that round.
Plus most of the team has hax that outclass everyone here.
Board Walker
1. Nihilus as confirmed by the game does not use a form a "Force Drain", rather Nihilus devours an entities connection to the force and feeds on the literal force itself wherever it may be. Additionally Nihilus doesn't need to activate this effect, his mere presence devours the force itself wherever it may be regardless of consciousness.
2. The counter to "Force Drain" is for a user to put a portion of their Force Energy outside of their own self, and in turn create a bubble that stalls the effects of the force drain. Keep in mind this only stalls the "Force Drain", and once they run out of energy to sustain the decoy bubble around them they will feel its effect without any reserves to distract it.
3. Contrastingly Nihilus outright consumes an entities connection to the Force, thus disabling them from using ANY manipulation of the force/energy what so ever. Furthermore, it wouldn't matter if someone tried putting energy around them self as Nihilus devours the Force itself EVERYWHERE simultaneously. He does not go through the force in layers, he outright consumes it wherever it may be and permanently devours all connections to the force AND LIFE.
Here is the quote for anyone wondering
"Kreia: "He... if he can truly be called a man any longer... is one of the dark lords that pursues you. I do not think he knows what you are, not yet. He spared the Miraluka, and that may have been the last shred of feeling that exists within him. Keep his slave close to you. I suspect there was a reason he spared her... and perhaps a reason that she survived when the rest of her people and the Jedi did not. Perhaps he is bound to her... as I am bound to you. If so, there may be a death served by hers. It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand.{Quietly}Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts.
{Chiding}Power? Do you think so?{Shakes head}You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.Nothing is impossible with the Force. It is an energy that flows through all living things. And like energy, it may be harnessed, channeled, and consumed at times. It may even be a substance that can burn and ignite.Do not think of his power as one would a weapon, or one of your warships of the Republic. It is terrible, but it is still a subtle thing. The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did. As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely. Then you understand how terrible such a power is. And why it must be ended.It is an empty road to the dark side, and by traveling it, the price is death before one's time. "
Nalaniel
Nihilus is too overpowered for the Star Wars Universe...
FreshestSlice
Nihilus could solo DE Sidious and FotJ Luke on his off day. http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/3177439056.gif
Sinious
I think DE Sidious can manage to survive Nihilus' drain and overwhelm him with his force powers. No matter how inhumanized he became, he is still an individual sith. He still uses a lightsaber. By himself, he can be brought down. However, with Vitiate and Kreia supporting him, team of round 5 goes down.
Trocity
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nihilus could solo DE Sidious and FotJ Luke on his off day. http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/3177439056.gif
They'd shit on him
Board Walker
Originally posted by Sinious
I think DE Sidious can manage to survive Nihilus' drain and overwhelm him with his force powers. No matter how inhumanized he became, he is still an individual sith. He still uses a lightsaber. By himself, he can be brought down. However, with Vitiate and Kreia supporting him, team of round 5 goes down.
Nihilus would devour Sidious in seconds as he would any other entity in the SW mythos, Nihilus doesn't perform Force Drain.
Nihilus as stated by the quote three posts above, devours an entities connection with the force as well as life and permanently severs them from the force and life itself. There is no activation time as the quote also states that is very presence and nature is what does this, and that he consumes it all simultaneously.
There is no counter to Nihilus Force/Life Sever ability, it can't be taught or learned.
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Trocity
They'd shit on him
Not on your life.
Sinious
Originally posted by Board Walker
Nihilus would devour Sidious in seconds as he would any other entity in the SW mythos, Nihilus doesn't perform Force Drain.
Nihilus as stated by the quote three posts above, devours an entities connection with the force as well as life and permanently severs them from the force and life itself. There is no activation time as the quote also states that is very presence and nature is what does this, and that he consumes it all simultaneously.
There is no counter to Nihilus Force/Life Sever ability, it can't be taught or learned.
Kreia isnt omniscient. What about the father of Mortis then? Do you think Nihilus could just drain him as well? I don't think it works that way.
Board Walker
Originally posted by Sinious
Kreia isnt omniscient. What about the father of Mortis then? Do you think Nihilus could just drain him as well? I don't think it works that way.
I don't know how it would work with the ones, I postulate that if the ones are composed of Force energy and or are extremely connected with the force it would effect them even more so.
The key component to understanding Nihilus is understanding that he does not perform "Force Drain", he severs an entity's connection to the force and life. Nihilus then feeds on the destruction as well as the death of those severed connections, and that is why there is no counter for it.
Nihilus outright devours the Force, and the essence of life there is no counter for this technique as it is not something that can be taught or learned.
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Sinious
Kreia isnt omniscient.
She really doesn't need to be. She's experienced it first hand.
Sinious
Originally posted by Board Walker
I don't know how it would work with the ones, I postulate that if the ones are composed of Force energy and or are extremely connected with the force it would effect them even more so.
The key component to understanding Nihilus is understanding that he does not perform "Force Drain", he severs an entity's connection to the force and life. Nihilus then feeds on the destruction as well as the death of those severed connections, and that is why there is no counter for it.
Nihilus outright devours the Force, and the essence of life there is no counter for this technique as it is not something that can be taught or learned.
I understand your point. Yet I don't agree with you. It is not known whether Nihilus can insta-kill every force-user or not, whether someone can defend against it or not. This is still unknown to us. You enforcing your meaning in words won't change that. I personally think there are a couple force users in SW mythos that can survive and kill Nihilus in a fair combat.
By the way, apologies for mocking you before.
Board Walker
Originally posted by Sinious
I understand your point. Yet I don't agree with you. It is not known whether Nihilus can insta-kill every force-user or not, whether someone can defend against it or not. This is still unknown to us. You enforcing your meaning in words won't change that. I personally think there are a couple force users in SW mythos that can survive and kill Nihilus in a fair combat.
By the why, apologies for mocking you before.
Thank you for your respect, and for considering my point of view.
I agree with your stance on the topic as well, there really is no way to objectively measure Nihilus powers'. Thus my statements are entirely subjective, and are open for discussion.
Ultimately I agree with you that there is no way for certain knowing who Nihilus can instantly devour, and who he would be unable to instantly devour. For all we know there could exist a counter, and we just haven't seen someone it due to not being in a situation where they needed to use it (IE they have never faced Nihilus, thus never had to use the technique).
Sinious
Originally posted by Board Walker
Thank you for your respect, and for considering my point of view.
I agree with your stance on the topic as well, there really is no way to objectively measure Nihilus powers'. Thus my statements are entirely subjective, and are open for discussion.
Ultimately I agree with you that there is no way for certain knowing who Nihilus can instantly devour, and who he would be unable to instantly devour. For all we know there could exist a counter, and we just haven't seen someone it due to not being in a situation where they needed to use it (IE they have never faced Nihilus, thus never had to use the technique).
Thanks. Another thing that bothers me is that Nihilus is a sith lord. Sith Emperor in SWTOR is the strongest sith that ever lived up to that point which includes Nihilus. I know this doesn't necessarily prove that surviving Nihilus' drain is possible but it gives a hint that he is not unstoppable.
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Sinious
Thanks. Another thing that bothers me is that Nihilus is a sith lord. Sith Emperor in SWTOR is the strongest sith that ever lived up to that point which includes Nihilus. I know this doesn't necessarily prove that surviving Nihilus' drain is possible but it gives a hint that he is not unstoppable.
I'm not sure if the other sith consider Nihilus a sith lord, but even if they do, the Emperor's power is not completely in two fields as Nihilus' is. He also doesn't need to be more powerful than him to defeat him. He just needs to take his power away, which he can do.
Sinious
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm not sure if the other sith consider Nihilus a sith lord, but even if they do, the Emperor's power is not completely in two fields as Nihilus' is. He also doesn't need to be more powerful than him to defeat him. He just needs to take his power away,
He is "Darth" Nihilus of the "sith" triumvirate. He was the dark lord of sith in the known regions of the galaxy and still had relativity with the sith. He allied with them and saved them for the last as he only hunted jedi during KOTOR. I'd say he is a legit sith. Just less human.
I doubt it.
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Sinious
He is "Darth" Nihilus of the "sith" triumvirate. He was the dark lord of sith in the known regions of the galaxy and still had relativity with the sith. He allied with them and saved them for the last as he only hunted jedi during KOTOR. I'd say he is a legit sith. Just less human.
Even Traya doesn't consider her Sith actual Sith. Calling yourself a Sith lord doesn't make you a Sith Lord, which Plagueis and Sidious have both proved.
Based on? If Luke and Leia(and Anakin) can cut a literal nexus off from the Force, Nihilus should have no problem cutting Vitiate off from the Force.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The point is moot since he's also noted as the most powerful "force user."
DarthAnt66
All that falls under hype, and Nihilus has comparable, if not greater hype.
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/97172/. Below is merely one quote from the thread:
"Nihilus powers grew so extreme that, for most beings, mere exposure to the Sith Lord would cause immediate and utterly mindless devotion."
--Star Wars Insider 88: Virtual Sith
Sinious
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The point is moot since he's also noted as the most powerful "force user."
I think it means within the republic history/amongst jedi-sith.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Even Traya doesn't consider her Sith actual Sith. Calling yourself a Sith lord doesn't make you a Sith Lord, which Plagueis and Sidious have both proved.
Based on? If Luke and Leia(and Anakin) can cut a literal nexus off from the Force, Nihilus should have no problem cutting Vitiate off from the Force.
I doubt that he was excluded in that quote though since he was officially a sith.
I don't see how that example proves anything.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
All that falls under hype, and Nihilus has comparable, if not greater hype.
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/97172/. Below is merely one quote from the thread:
"Nihilus powers grew so extreme that, for most beings, mere exposure to the Sith Lord would cause immediate and utterly mindless devotion."
--Star Wars Insider 88: Virtual Sith
You don't have to prove Nihilus' capabilities with his drain. I'm very well aware of it. This doesn't auto put him in the top of the hierarchy. Do you think he has a chance against the ones for instance?
The Merchant
Team 5 would beat them with extreme difficulty.
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Sinious
I doubt that he was excluded in that quote though since he was officially a sith.
To who? Nobody know's who he is besides Traya and Sion. Even then, the real Sith, as in the true ones, do not even acknowledge his existence.
Novices were able to cut off the most powerful being in galactic history, that wasn't a One, off from the Force. The God of Drain should be no less successful with Vitiate.
The quote's not about his drain. It's about his power period.
As of RotS Sidious is recognized as the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Plagueis is hailed as a close second, that >>> any Nihilus’s quote.
And Anakin was also the most powerful Jedi of all time. Too bad that didn't match up to well with the actual character.
They're outmatched in everything. Except for sabers, and Nihilus isn't too bad himself in that department based on his duel with the Exile and Co.
The Merchant
How do they lose at two when Nihilus is capable of ripping fleets from Malachor V's shadow generator and empower them with his own energies and can absorb entire planets? Anakin could only withstand the drain from the Dark Reaper for a while, he wasn't 100% immune to it, same case would be with Dooku and Ulic. Nihilus is also capable of beating off Surik, who was a master of at least 4 forms of Saber combat. Caedus is said to be stronger than Vader and has shown to throw a frigate around and has a bunch of other force-powers that can undermine the team, like tepeortation. Traya I think is kinda a non-factor tho.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
agreed. They're certainly not stopping at 2, lol.
Stigma
Originally posted by The Merchant
How do they lose at two when Nihilus is capable of ripping fleets from Malachor V's shadow generator and empower them with his own energies and can absorb entire planets?
How long did it take him? An hour, a day, a month? With or without prep?
Absorbtion won't come into play, most likely.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Anakin could only withstand the drain from the Dark Reaper for a while, he wasn't 100% immune to it, same case would be with Dooku and Ulic.
It would be more than enough for someone who holds a distinct speed advantage.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Nihilus is also capable of beating off Surik, who was a master of at least 4 forms of Saber combat.
Dooku, Anakin and Ulic >>> Exile in duelings skills
Originally posted by The Merchant
Caedus is said to be stronger than Vader and has shown to throw a frigate around and has a bunch of other force-powers that can undermine the team, like tepeortation. Traya I think is kinda a non-factor tho.
Agreed.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Stigma
It would be more than enough for someone who holds a distinct speed advantage.
accessible force power and speed/reaction time pretty much correlate. Nihilus and Vitiate outclass anyone on #2 in that regard.
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Stigma
How long did it take him? An hour, a day, a month? With or without prep?
He drained Katarr in a moment. An entire planet and everything and everyone on it. He ripped an entire fleet out of a gravity well and then held his ship functionally together while mind dominating the entire crew. While weakened. That has nothing to do with prep.
It definitely will.
Already talked about.
Based on what exactly?
Traya is definitely not a nonfactor.
The Merchant
Nihilus did it within a whisper, and it's not a prep or anything like that. he literally does it in an instant. In fact later in KOTOR several outer Rim worlds were also said to have just died from some unknown assault and it was Nihilus. As for ripping the fleet from Malachor V it probably took him just a day, I don't see why it would be any trouble for him at all. Nihilus also one-shotted the Exile and her team, if it weren't for Nihilus wanting to life-drain the Exile he would have killed them. He could do that to team 2 if he wanted too.
Stigma
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He drained Katarr in a moment. An entire planet and everything and everyone on it. He ripped an entire fleet out of a gravity well and then held his ship functionally together while mind dominating the entire crew. While weakened. That has nothing to do with prep.
I've been around for a long time, and noone has provided a conclusive evidence, as far as I am aware, that Malanchor feat was instantenous.
IIRC the line says sth like "Nihilus spoke"
Speaking takes longer than Anakin/Dooku's combat speed.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It definitely will.
Nah.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Already talked about.
I'm not buying into it.
Speed-wise they are featless and I'm not going to favor them in contrast to characters who are noted for their speed.
FYI based on the cutscene Vitiate is slow as fvck.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Based on what exactly?
Feats and hype.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Traya is definitely not a nonfactor.
Dooku will maul her. c wut i did hir
Stigma
Originally posted by The Merchant
As for ripping the fleet from Malachor V it probably took him just a day,
Unless N. invites team #2 for a tea party, I don't think they will put up with him for so long.
Board Walker
I felt this needs to be reposted, Nihilus does not use a form of Force Drain. If anything it is an extreme version of Force Sever, and simultaneously Dark Transfer rolled into one.
"Kreia: "He... if he can truly be called a man any longer... is one of the dark lords that pursues you. I do not think he knows what you are, not yet. He spared the Miraluka, and that may have been the last shred of feeling that exists within him. Keep his slave close to you. I suspect there was a reason he spared her... and perhaps a reason that she survived when the rest of her people and the Jedi did not. Perhaps he is bound to her... as I am bound to you. If so, there may be a death served by hers. It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand.{Quietly}Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts.
{Chiding}Power? Do you think so?{Shakes head}You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.Nothing is impossible with the Force. It is an energy that flows through all living things. And like energy, it may be harnessed, channeled, and consumed at times. It may even be a substance that can burn and ignite.Do not think of his power as one would a weapon, or one of your warships of the Republic. It is terrible, but it is still a subtle thing. The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did. As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely. Then you understand how terrible such a power is. And why it must be ended.It is an empty road to the dark side, and by traveling it, the price is death before one's time. "
The Merchant
The fact that he did it shows his prowess in TK, imagine the strength of a TK wave that can lift trillions of tons from a gravity field that can crush planets sent at the team, I don't see team 3 surviving.
Board Walker
Originally posted by The Merchant
The fact that he did it shows his prowess in TK, imagine the strength of a TK wave that can lift trillions of tons from a gravity field that can crush planets sent at the team, I don't see team 3 surviving.
I truly believe Nihilus could ragdoll Darth Sidious with his TK, the difference between what Nihilus has done with TK and anyone else is extremely massive.
We saw Darth Sidious ragdoll the Maul brothers, and the difference between those combatants was at least comparable. No one in the entire statwars mythos has ever done anything similar to what Nihilus did in terms of TK power, and it is on that basis that I believe Nihilus would ragdoll Sidious with TK.
DarthAnt66
Darth Nihilus can solo this. His raw power is unrivaled in the mortal realm. Add in Kreia and Vitiate? This is an honest spite thread.
Sinious
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
To who? Nobody know's who he is besides Traya and Sion. Even then, the real Sith, as in the true ones, do not even acknowledge his existence.
Well, Im not sure if you're right or not. I wouldn't be that surprised if he isnt included though.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Plagueis is not second. His quote was not written by the author, but rather instead a random person in the marketing department at the publishing house.
I don't understand why people consider the backs of books canon, because they are not, Drew himself confirmed this.
Sinious
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Darth Nihilus can solo this. His raw power is unrivaled in the mortal realm. Add in Kreia and Vitiate? This is an honest spite thread.
I don't think he can solo 5.
DarthAnt66
True. I didn't see Palpatine. http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/2064095582.gif He solos the rest though.
NewGuy01
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His raw power is unrivaled in the mortal realm
You're beginning to sound like LeGenD, bro.
Also, Revan>Nihilus
.
Nalaniel
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
True. I didn't see Palpatine. http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/2064095582.gif He solos the rest though.
Agreed.
Arhael
Pff, even non-sensitive Mandalorian could resist Nihilus' drain...
They lose on 2,4 and 5.
Nephthys
Ulic got killed by a fat guy with a gun, Dooku got pwned by drunken pirates and Anakin lost to Dooku so he's even more pathetic.
Team 2 loses 10/10. estahuh
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Arhael
Pff, even non-sensitive Mandalorian could resist Nihilus' drain...
They lose on 2,4 and 5.
Nalaniel
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ulic got killed by a fat guy with a gun, Dooku got pwned by drunken pirates and Anakin lost to Dooku so he's even more pathetic.
Team 2 loses 10/10. estahuh
SIDIOUS 66
If they manage to make it to 5, they get stomped. Either one on 5 can solo via speedblitz.
SIDIOUS 66
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
accessible force power and speed/reaction time pretty much correlate. Nihilus and Vitiate outclass anyone on #2 in that regard.
This logic would also apply to many of Vitiate's powers such as TP, considering it's a universal power.
I'm not sure if you apply this logic when using him in vs threads, but most of the TOR fans think that he can just mind rape any powerful being.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He can't mindrape any powerful being, no. the HoT was powerful enough that Vitiate completely threw aside the notion of mentally dominating him.
SIDIOUS 66
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He can't mindrape any powerful being, no. the HoT was powerful enough that Vitiate completely threw aside the notion of mentally dominating him.
Yeah, I've never seen you support that notion. Just thought I should just throw that out there, though.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
It shouldn't even be a notion. It's specifically attributed to the Hero's power that Vitiate cannot hope to dominate him:
"Realizing you are too powerful to be dominated by his twisted will, the Emperor resorts to more conventional means to destroy you."
Vitiate's TP certainly has its limits. The only times in which I feel his TP can be used effectively against extremely powerful force users such as Dooku and Vader is with previous preparation.
SIDIOUS 66
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
It shouldn't even be a notion. It's specifically attributed to the Hero's power that Vitiate cannot hope to dominate him:
"Realizing you are too powerful to be dominated by his twisted will, the Emperor resorts to more conventional means to destroy you."
Vitiate's TP certainly has its limits. The only times in which I feel his TP can be used effectively against extremely powerful force users such as Dooku and Vader is with previous preparation.
Agreed.
psmith81992
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
It shouldn't even be a notion. It's specifically attributed to the Hero's power that Vitiate cannot hope to dominate him:
"Realizing you are too powerful to be dominated by his twisted will, the Emperor resorts to more conventional means to destroy you."
Vitiate's TP certainly has its limits. The only times in which I feel his TP can be used effectively against extremely powerful force users such as Dooku and Vader is with previous preparation.
Those limits have been shown in two forms:
1. Emperor's Voice and not the actual Emperor or his body.
2. Ridiculous preparation channeling equal parts light and dark side (Revan).
Nephthys
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If they manage to make it to 5, they get stomped. Either one on 5 can solo via speedblitz.
Nah. Even the B-team managed to raise their sabers against Sidious, the fastest one there. The team will obviously be capable of raising their hands to perform their attacks before they're cut down.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by psmith81992
Those limits have been shown in two forms:
1. Emperor's Voice and not the actual Emperor or his body.
2. Ridiculous preparation channeling equal parts light and dark side (Revan).
1. The difference in power between the Emperor's Voice and the Emperor's actual body is pretty negligible based off of what we've seen. Even if you were to assume his original body was stronger, the discrepancy isn't so vast that he'd go from not even attempting to dominate the HoT to successfully doing so in any circumstance.
2. Except with the example of the HoT, you don't necessarily need an out-of-the-box technique to defend against his mental powers.
FreshestSlice
TP really shouldn't come into play in any of these second long matches.
SIDIOUS 66
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah. Even the B-team managed to raise their sabers against Sidious, the fastest one there. The team will obviously be capable of raising their hands to perform their attacks before they're cut down.
You know I wasn't being serious, even though I could easily make a case if I wanted to continue.
Nephthys
It's hard to tell in this thread.
SIDIOUS 66
Originally posted by Nephthys
It's hard to tell in this thread.
Yeah, even you're being silly.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
To who? Nobody know's who he is besides Traya and Sion. Even then, the real Sith, as in the true ones, do not even acknowledge his existence.
Wow, really?
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/G1d3on91/DarthNihilusisaSithLord_zps1fc345cc.png
Nihilus is a Sith, let it go.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
@S66 @ Tempest
Do you have qualms with the notion that Nihilus rivals if not exceeds Vitiate in power? http://r19.imgfast.net/users/1916/39/10/06/smiles/524091093.gif
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Wow, really?
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/G1d3on91/DarthNihilusisaSithLord_zps1fc345cc.png
Nihilus is a Sith, let it go.
What is that from? If it's the TOR Encyclopedia, it deals with what I said. Otherwise, I doubt BioWare even considered them when they wrote TOR's Sith.
But since this point was already made moot, why are you bringing it back up to begin with?
The_Tempest
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
@S66 @ Tempest
Do you have qualms with the notion that Nihilus rivals if not exceeds Vitiate in power? http://r19.imgfast.net/users/1916/39/10/06/smiles/524091093.gif
As I don't see how the issue is any threat to Palpatine, I am indifferent.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What is that from? If it's the TOR Encyclopedia, it deals with what I said. Otherwise, I doubt BioWare even considered them when they wrote TOR's Sith.
But since this point was already made moot, why are you bringing it back up to begin with?
It's from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, not The Old Republic Encyclopedia.
Cool story, bro. What matters here is that Nihilus is a Sith Lord and nowhere in any official source is it suggested otherwise. Now try using less desperate methods to undermine Vitiate vis a vis Nihilus, k?
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, not The Old Republic Encyclopedia.
Cool story, bro. What matters here is that Nihilus is a Sith Lord and nowhere in any official source is it suggested otherwise. Now try using less desperate methods to undermine Vitiate vis a vis Nihilus, k?
So back to what I said about no one in the Sith Empire caring who Nihilus is, which was my point. I never disagreed with Nihilus being a Sith to the Republic. Either way, Vitiate is stated to be more powerful than all other Force users, which is why I dropped it.
Why would I try to undermine Vitiate here? They're on teams. I want them to be the similar in power because I want to see the other combatants burn with a mere thought. Vitiate being more powerful than a person who ate a planet by speaking is even better. This thread was a gg before it was posted.
SIDIOUS 66
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
@S66 @ Tempest
Do you have qualms with the notion that Nihilus rivals if not exceeds Vitiate in power? http://r19.imgfast.net/users/1916/39/10/06/smiles/524091093.gif
Vitiate should be above him based on his accolades, but Nihilus's planetary drain didn't require the aid of hundreds of sith lords, so he is better in that field. Though Nihilus may require some sort of prep (but to a lesser extent than Vitiate) to pull off his planetary drain, considering that a failed attempt on a single individual exhausted him considerably, which seems to suggest that even for him, utilizing drain instantly requires a tremendous amount of power to pull off.
As for their combat showings, Vitiate's defeat of the strike team is more impressive than anything Nihilus has done combat wise.
However, considering how much I dislike Vitiate, I have no problems with that notion, though.
Nephthys
Vitiate vs Nihilus is one of the things I go back and forth on frequently. It's really up to opinion who is superior imo.
FreshestSlice
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate should be above him based on his accolades, but Nihilus's planetary drain didn't require the aid of hundreds of sith lords, so he is better in that field. Though Nihilus may require some sort of prep (but to a lesser extent than Vitiate) to pull off his planetary drain, considering that a failed attempt on a single individual exhausted him considerably, which seems to suggest that even for him, utilizing drain instantly requires a tremendous amount of power to pull off.
I believe it does indeed have draw backs depending on how much of the drain he used in question and how much energy he receives in turn, he was already weakened when he faced the Exile, and he was actually exhausted by draining himself, not failing to drain the Exile. Apparently it rebounds of Force Wounds.
Stigma
Bump. Any new insights with new incarnations of Vitiate being introduced?
S_W_LeGenDofPT
They stop at 2. Count Dooku and Anakin Skywalker have immunity to Drain like abilities and possess immense and unstoppable power respectively. Ulic Qel-Droma is not needed but he is a neat addition nonetheless and he have immunity to Drain like abilities too.
Not_a_sock
2 and 3 are better than 4. Anyway they clear.
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