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Rules:
1. Battle takes place in an abandoned New York.
2. Win via K.O or submission.
3. No telepathy allowed.
4. Everyone has morals on.
5. Everyone Has standard gear.

Batman vs Joker vs Black Panther vs Catman vs Catwoman vs Deathstroke vs Deadshot vs Captain America vs 1610 Captain America vs Green Arrow vs Black Canary vs Daredevil vs Spiderman vs Elektra vs Shang chi vs iron fist vs Luke Cage vs Wolverine vs Nightwing vs Deadpool vs Punisher vs Bullseye vs Captain Boomerang vs Harley Quinn vs Talia al ghul vs Protocide vs U.S agent vs Daken vs Winter soldier vs midnighter(No doors) vs Moon Knight vs Taskmaster vs Kraven vs Ka-zar vs bane vs Cassandra Cain vs Damian Wayne vs Barbra Gordon vs Tim Drake vs Jason Todd vs Hawkeye vs Arsenal vs Connor Hawke vs Speedy vs Blade vs Gorgon vs Mystique vs Cyclops vs Lady Shiva vs Karate kid vs Black Widow vs Sabretooth vs Richard Dragon vs Thunderbird vs Beast vs Gambit vs Wildcat vs Killer Croc vs Lizard vs David Cain vs Crossbones vs Sharon Carter vs Psylocke vs Echo vs Kingpin vs Misty Knight vs Ronin vs Prometheus vs Stephanie Brown vs Batwoman vs Huntress vs Vic Sage vs Lady Blackhawk vs Bronze Tiger vs Katana vs Paladin vs Silver Sable vs White Tiger vs Talon vs Gamora

Comes down to Gorgon and Karate Kid.

Gorgon wins this.

There are quite a few in that list that I would think that are defiantly NOT Street Level.

Karate Kid, because he can fight blind.

You never know Cap or Punisher could come out on top, because they won't wade in there. I could see them allowing the others to fight each other and let them thin out the ranks. But Punisher is more sneakier than Cap. But of course if Punisher runs into the wrong guy he's out.

Oh man Midnighter is there...

Originally posted by Deadline
You never know Cap or Punisher could come out on top, because they won't wade in there. I could see them allowing the others to fight each other and let them thin out the ranks. But Punisher is more sneakier than Cap. But of course if Punisher runs into the wrong guy he's out.

Oh man Midnighter is there...

Midnighter is very good, but so are the others. Taskmaster would get overloaded hehe.

Gorgon however was fast enough to punk both Wolverine AND Elektra, simultaneously. PLUS he could just take his shades off and turn most if not all of the field into stone.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Midnighter is very good, but so are the others. Taskmaster would get overloaded hehe.

Gorgon however was fast enough to punk both Wolverine AND Elektra, simultaneously. PLUS he could just take his shades off and turn most if not all of the field into stone.

Is that allowed? I suspect that's what the Op intended when he said no telepathy.

I thought it was so Psylocke/Elektra didn't just mindphuck everyone. Because if it's pure H2H...

Thunderbird is there...Jesus.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Midnighter is very good, but so are the others. Taskmaster would get overloaded hehe.

Gorgon however was fast enough to punk both Wolverine AND Elektra, simultaneously. PLUS he could just take his shades off and turn most if not all of the field into stone. until Logan uses his claws to show gorgon's his own reflection. Anyway, Danny and cage will high five each other and the sheer amount of awesomeness flowing out of that one high five will kill everyone else.

Batman because he is Batman.

Here's what I see happening Punisher goes on hide mode. Everybody else trys to kick the daylights out of each other. It comes down to Karate Kid, Gamora, Gorgon and Midnighter they kick the daylights out of each other and then Pun or Cap comes along and takes them out.

I mostly think its going to be Pun for example I can see him having more weapons than he started off with. For example we know he can make traps, if he hides in Park Central he can make traps there and possibly make explosives from everyday items.

Even though Batman is a strategist he seems to excel at creating gadgets to take down metas (obviously not just that what I'm trying to emphasise is CIS), I pretty much see him using strategy but he is for most part going to use his fists and to a lesser extent Cap as well. But I might just give it to Punisher because he's going to get low down and dirty.

EDIT: Oh yeah and I hear Iron Fist is a beast nowhere days it could come down to him being one of the 'finalists'.

Originally posted by Deadline
Here's what I see happening Punisher goes on hide mode. Everybody else trys to kick the daylights out of each other. It comes down to Karate Kid, Gamora, Gorgon and Midnighter they kick the daylights out of each other and then Pun or Cap comes along and takes them out.

I mostly think its going to be Pun for example I can see him having more weapons than he started off with. For example we know he can make traps, if he hides in Park Central he can make traps there and possibly make explosives from everyday items.

Even though Batman is a strategist he seems to excel at creating gadgets to take down metas (obviously not just that what I'm trying to emphasise is CIS), I pretty much see him using strategy but he is for most part going to use his fists and to a lesser extent Cap as well. But I might just give it to Punisher because he's going to get low down and dirty.



I forgot that it was in an abandoned NYC.

Croc and Lizard would hide in the sewers, too.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


I forgot that it was in an abandoned NYC.

Croc and Lizard would hide in the sewers, too.

That could be a problem, not sure if Punisher would hide there if he knows Croc and Lizard are about. Obvously one problem that Punisher could have is if he runs into somebody really powerful by accident, when he's not prepared.

Oh and CIS being on I don't know about Lizard but Croc probably won't hide. He'd go gungho and get messed up early on.

Is this Classic Wolverine with his adamantium claws/skeleton and healing factor? Because with PIS/CIS off he should win.

Originally posted by zopzop
Is this Classic Wolverine with his adamantium claws/skeleton and healing factor? Because with PIS/CIS off he should win.

Val destroys Wolverine.

Punisher and Val the last two standing. Brains and skill.
After that...?

Karate Kid by feats is definitely not street level and can solo the entire field. lol

Karate Kid and Gamora are street levelers? Sheesh.

KK for the overall win.

So KK can own Midnighter, Gorgon and Gamora? From what I've heard current Iron Fist might cause him a problem.

Probably Superman.

A few of these people aren't street. That being said Gamora wins easily. Matching Ronan, and beating him shows that she has the stats of a low Herald. Her showings against the Infinity Watch, and Angela are also indications that she really doesn't belong among this crowd. An argument can be launched over whether Spider Man, and Bane belong in this thread as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
A few of these people aren't street. That being said Gamora wins easily. Matching Ronan, and beating him shows that she has the stats of a low Herald. Her showings against the Infinity Watch, and Angela are also indications that she really doesn't belong among this crowd. An argument can be launched over whether Spider Man, and Bane belong in this thread as well.

Gamora isn't beating Val.

Originally posted by Deadline
So KK can own Midnighter, Gorgon and Gamora? From what I've heard current Iron Fist might cause him a problem.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/SaintSaturn/2000721765415603690_rs.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Comes down to Gorgon and Karate Kid.

Gorgon wins this.

Gamora's in this thing, too.

Don't see Mantis.

But really, Val solos this entire group.

Pretty much. The ones Punisher doesnt take out.

Originally posted by Stoic
A few of these people aren't street. That being said Gamora wins easily. Matching Ronan, and beating him shows that she has the stats of a low Herald. Her showings against the Infinity Watch, and Angela are also indications that she really doesn't belong among this crowd. An argument can be launched over whether Spider Man, and Bane belong in this thread as well.

Her fight with Ronan impies more then low herald, imo.

Ravenous is, what, high herald? At the least, good enough to pressure Surfer until he put out enough power to create a black hole on top of him.

Which barely slowed him up. I'm not sure what's more of a stretch, Ronan messing up Ravenous as badly as he did with one clubbing strike, or Gamora doing as well as she did (Considering Ronan's history against heralds.)

There are actually a lot of people on this list that would camp out and pick targets rather than directly fight (deathstroke, hawkeye, deadshot, etc) and a bunch of other characters know that they can't win this on their own and would make temporary alliances (ironfist, Luke cage, the avengers, the x-men, etc).Originally posted by Deadline
So KK can own Midnighter, Gorgon and Gamora? From what I've heard current Iron Fist might cause him a problem. I love Danny as much as the next guy, but Val would have to be in a coma for him to take him down.

Originally posted by Stoic
A few of these people aren't street. That being said Gamora wins easily. Matching Ronan, and beating him shows that she has the stats of a low Herald. Her showings against the Infinity Watch, and Angela are also indications that she really doesn't belong among this crowd. An argument can be launched over whether Spider Man, and Bane belong in this thread as well.


Spider-Man is clearly above street-level tier.

Agreed. If Spider-Man is going to be included, I don't care how good you think KK is he's not beating him.

Originally posted by wuleecat
Agreed. If Spider-Man is going to be included, I don't care how good you think KK is he's not beating him.

Bwahahaha.

Bucky wins this.

Originally posted by Stoic
A few of these people aren't street. That being said Gamora wins easily. Matching Ronan, and beating him shows that she has the stats of a low Herald. Her showings against the Infinity Watch, and Angela are also indications that she really doesn't belong among this crowd. An argument can be launched over whether Spider Man, and Bane belong in this thread as well.
An argument is made for Spidey, the fact that he is a meta

Originally posted by wuleecat
Agreed. If Spider-Man is going to be included, I don't care how good you think KK is he's not beating him.

http://i.imgur.com/Xsr6T.gif

Originally posted by Deadline
You never know Cap or Punisher could come out on top,
Oh man Midnighter is there...

If cap and punisher are there I think Protocide should be there too

Originally posted by Supermutant
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/SaintSaturn/2000721765415603690_rs.jpg

I think that's pre-crisis KK.

Originally posted by Deadline
I think that's pre-crisis KK.

Would Mon-el do?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779067-0299651887-37150.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779068-2287115870-37150.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779069-6311952119-37150.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779070-9432737030-37150.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779072-2678493806-37150.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779073-0494423173-37150.jpg

Or Equus?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779053-9458013531-37786.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779054-0156011905-37149.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779142-3722398930-27291.jpg

Originally posted by Impressator
The Legion's pre crisis history is in tact, Geoff Johns confirmed this and also in Legion of Super Heroes referenced the Great Darkness Saga.

I'm not sure if I'm talking about history. I'm just not sure wether pre-crisis feats are allowed unless otherwise specified.


Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Would Mon-el do?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779067-0299651887-37150.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779068-2287115870-37150.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779069-6311952119-37150.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779070-9432737030-37150.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779072-2678493806-37150.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779073-0494423173-37150.jpg

Or Equus?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779053-9458013531-37786.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779054-0156011905-37149.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779142-3722398930-27291.jpg

Yea I know about those Gamora at least has comparable feats.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not sure if I'm talking about history. I'm just not sure wether pre-crisis feats are allowed unless otherwise specified.

Surely their feats (i.e. what they've done) is part of their history?

Originally posted by Supermutant
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/SaintSaturn/2000721765415603690_rs.jpg
How is that collar even sensible?

1970's-80's fashion relevance.

You should see Star Boy's outfit..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surely their feats (i.e. what they've done) is part of their history?

I see what you mean but I think those are the rules.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X2Flh5CSe80/RtNu_tv6oSI/AAAAAAAAApo/KfXYi5sXuJY/s320/It's+Star+Boy+2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Oxzh9Q1GoWQ/SXpeEiOBSnI/AAAAAAAAAjc/X8GAGbj-WRE/s400/lsh70_cosmicboy.jpg

Are these them? Oh God this is hilarious

Edit: second one is cosmic boy

Karate Kid or Black Panther. KK cause PIS feats against Kryptonians and stuff.

Look who registered another account.

Originally posted by wuleecat
Agreed. If Spider-Man is going to be included, I don't care how good you think KK is he's not beating him. it's going to be a very long time before you live that statement down.

Originally posted by deathslash
it's going to be a very long time before you live that statement down.
I actually think that if pete is fast enough he might be able to beat KK

Kk reacted to a blood lusted speed blitzing Mon El.

Spiderman is faster than Kryptonians now?

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
Karate Kid or Black Panther. KK cause PIS feats against Kryptonians and stuff.
I am sure that Taskmaster will be able to copy KK's moves therefore he would be up there as well

Originally posted by TedKordJRBOSS
I am sure that Taskmaster will be able to copy KK's moves therefore he would be up there as well

KK knows far more than Taskmaster can ever copy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Kk reacted to a blood lusted speed blitzing Mon El.

Spiderman is faster than Kryptonians now?
Sorry just saw those feats you posted of him against mon-el

Since it seems like if Karate Kid is winning I now have a new rule. Before the match everyone with a photgraphic memory gets tto watch five hours of footage of karate Kid's best fights and 2 hours of footage of spiderman's bes fights. Then they can only use their newly learnt moves on Karate Kid

Totally not arbitrary or skewed in only a few character's favor while doing nothing for others.

Val still wins (five hours isn't nearly enough. Taskmaster isn't Nemesis Kid.) May as well give Taskmaster the Ultimate Nullifier, if you want him to win and prove he's the best street so badly.

Originally posted by TedKordJRBOSS
Since it seems like if Karate Kid is winning I now have a new rule. Before the match everyone with a photgraphic memory gets tto watch five hours of footage of karate Kid's best fights and 2 hours of footage of spiderman's bes fights. Then they can only use their newly learnt moves on Karate Kid

Don't know why you're comparing Spiderman to KK. Cap arguably has photographic memory and he's mastered an alien martial art in one day.

Originally posted by cdtm
Totally not arbitrary or skewed in only a few character's favor while doing nothing for others.

Val still wins (five hours isn't nearly enough. Taskmaster isn't Nemesis Kid.) May as well give Taskmaster the Ultimate Nullifier, if you want him to win and prove he's the best street so badly.
I am not trying to prove he is the best I am just trying to make the fight more even and I actually said all characters with photographic memory meaning Cassandra Cain, Connor hawke, Prometheus, Lady shiva & Barbara Gordon are also include

Yeah, but balancing things out kind of defeats the purpose of deciding the greatest martial artist.

Even if Taskmaster or Cap won, they couldn't it without the training buff, making the threads point meaningless.

No idea why Iron Fist and Karate Kid are considered street-levers when they are capable of so much more than street level.

One can send Skarr flying with an Iron Fist and destroy helicarriers.

The other can fight kryptonians and cancel out earth quakes, and so much more.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, but balancing things out kind of defeats the purpose of deciding the greatest martial artist.

Even if Taskmaster or Cap won, they couldn't it without the training buff, making the threads point meaningless.

Oh... I guess that makes some sense

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, but balancing things out kind of defeats the purpose of deciding the greatest martial artist.

Even if Taskmaster or Cap won, they couldn't it without the training buff, making the threads point meaningless.

Only reason Cap doesn't win is because Punisher is better in this situation. I don't even give Deadshot the win due to his personality he's a bit suicidal. He'll use strategy but knowing him he might see it is a bit of fun and get himself wounded or hospitalised.

I don't think KK is winning this.

Originally posted by cdtm
Totally not arbitrary or skewed in only a few character's favor while doing nothing for others.

Val still wins (five hours isn't nearly enough. Taskmaster isn't Nemesis Kid.) May as well give Taskmaster the Ultimate Nullifier, if you want him to win and prove he's the best street so badly.

I know, right?

Also, Danny would beat Taskmaster too.

KK beats everyone else. Danny and Val discuss the quality of fine wines as they go home and become family men after crushing everyone else.

GG, not family men.

Originally posted by Iskandar
I know, right?

Also, Danny would beat Taskmaster too.

KK beats everyone else. Danny and Val discuss the quality of fine wines as they go home and become family men after crushing everyone else.

GG, not family men.

Do you really think Val is going to own Gamora, Midnighter and Gorgon with grasscuter?

Originally posted by Deadline
Do you really think Val is going to own Gamora, Midnighter and Gorgon with grasscuter?

Gorgon yes. Gets a face full of Val's fists.

Midnighter yes though he is a family man so it will be close, will have fine wine with afterwards.

Gamora is a woman so she loses by default.

More seriously, Gamora is probably the only one out of the three who has the best shot.

http://i.imgur.com/VvC1P1t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/895Kzj1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fhBtNa2.jpg

Kind of a one woman army, and her nerve strike has worked on the likes of Ronan and the Thing IIRC.

Originally posted by Iskandar
More seriously, Gamora is probably the only one out of the three who has the best shot.

http://i.imgur.com/VvC1P1t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/895Kzj1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fhBtNa2.jpg

Kind of a one woman army, and her nerve strike has worked on the likes of Ronan and the Thing IIRC. what's her best speed feat?

Originally posted by deathslash
what's her best speed feat?

Not a lot that I can remember but most of her speed feats comes from showings with other characters like Thanos.

Gamora could move fast enough to dodge his attacks, and is fast enough to use her nerve strike on him. The nerve strike ultimately had no effect on Thanos though.

Originally posted by Deadline
Only reason Cap doesn't win is because Punisher is better in this situation. I don't even give Deadshot the win due to his personality he's a bit suicidal. He'll use strategy but knowing him he might see it is a bit of fun and get himself wounded or hospitalised.

I don't think KK is winning this.

Well, I won't say Val is unbeatable. He is pretty weak against energy, if you can hit him with it. (Like a passive electrical charge when he attacks).

In pure h2h though, being able to spar with a Kryptonian on just about all counts is pretty broken.

On the list, MAYBE Gamora could take down Ultra Boy, if she's become buff enough to last against Ronan.

Val is insanely fast. Don't quite remember but he either dodged the lightning attack in lightning strikes or was hit with it point blank. In a one on one match, I see him winning.

So 4 pages and no one has limited the "top street levellers" thread to the actual Street level tier...

Bucky wins.

Val takes Bucky down with hands tied behind his back.

Originally posted by Iskandar
I know, right?

Also, Danny would beat Taskmaster too.

KK beats everyone else. Danny and Val discuss the quality of fine wines as they go home and become family men after crushing everyone else.

GG, not family men.

Sounds good to me.

Seriously though, Danny's no match for Val. Hell, I'm not even sure he could beat current Gamora (Pre power up/resurrection, her durability has never really been consistent or well defined..)

Originally posted by Golgo13
Val is insanely fast. Don't quite remember but he either dodged the lightning attack in lightning strikes or was hit with it point blank. In a one on one match, I see him winning. he dodged wally west in his speed force form

Originally posted by Iskandar
Not a lot that I can remember but most of her speed feats comes from showings with other characters like Thanos.

Gamora could move fast enough to dodge his attacks, and is fast enough to use her nerve strike on him. The nerve strike ultimately had no effect on Thanos though.

If we go by speed feats Batman could be faster than Gamora, he isn't. Common sense indicates that Midnighter, Gamora and Gorgon are on a comparable levels.

Originally posted by deathslash
he dodged wally west in his speed force form

Yeah, that's not the only time he has dodged speedsters or energy attacks. I still see Val on top of the whole thing.

Here is Val fighting Equus (Superman foe). Notice his speed against the cyber enhanced assassin.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/KK2_zpsc4eab9de.jpg

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/KK_zpsa76683a8.jpg

Batman or KK

Yeah so? Yea it's impressive, I still don't think he wins.

Ok, I do, though.

Well lets put it this way maybe he can beat Gamora, Midnighter and Gorgon but it's not going to be easy. He's going to be like Deathstroke after fighting Batman. Punisher puts him through some traps then snipes him.

If Val is fighting ALL of them, then of course he loses. It's a free for all, right? Val could be fighting Midnighter solo and Gamora and Gorgon could be fighting another one. Then it's Val vs Gorgon or Punisher. Too many outcomes.

Val also has a Legion Flight ring. He can take it up in the air, while Gamora and Gorgon can't.

A lesser Val dodging Mon-El's attacks and shows how he can get out of traps when he was training.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL_zps5f3c165f.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL2_zpsf76431d2.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL3_zpsbd23fa25.jpg

Originally posted by Golgo13
Val also has a Legion Flight ring. He can take it up in the air, while Gamora and Gorgon can't.

That's a good point but I have a feeling that the OP was assuming he didn't have it. Not sure if it's standard equipment and even if it is CIS means he probably won't use it in a fight.

Originally posted by Golgo13
A lesser Val dodging Mon-El's attacks and shows how he can get out of traps when he was training.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL_zps5f3c165f.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL2_zpsf76431d2.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL3_zpsbd23fa25.jpg

Batman and Deathstroke have evaded Superman. I think I saw one fight were Val was having problems with Supergirl.

Originally posted by Deadline
That's a good point but I have a feeling that the OP was assuming he didn't have it. Not sure if it's standard equipment and even if it is CIS means he probably won't use it in a fight.



Batman and Deathstroke have evaded Superman. I think I saw one fight were Val was having problems with Supergirl.

I think that is where he was effected by the virus. He was effected by a virus for days and still fought pretty good.

Val has many more speed feats than Batman. He's dodged Barry Allen's son (Who is a Flash type speedster, Mon-El, Ultraboy, etc...)

He also heard Emerald Empresss's heartbeat miles away and anticipated her attack.

Not to mention facing the Fatal FIVE alone. And doing a decent job, IIRC.

Here is Val's famous lightning dodge, which was apparently Speed Force Wally.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL4_zps4f287c52.jpg

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL5_zps313f7050.jpg

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/VAL6_zpsb448197d.jpg

"I ducked."

Aha, I love that.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I think that is where he was effected by the virus. He was effected by a virus for days and still fought pretty good.

Val has many more speed feats than Batman. He's dodged Barry Allen's son (Who is a Flash type speedster, Mon-El, Ultraboy, etc...)

He also heard Emerald Empresss's heartbeat miles away and anticipated her attack.

Not to mention facing the Fatal FIVE alone. And doing a decent job, IIRC.

There's also that Karate Kid has demonstrated "powers", such as chopping into diamond or counteracting an earthquake with a stomp. If all he's ever done is spar with Superboy and otherwise perform like a street leveler, then you could argue pis.

Buy he was established from the start as being able to fight Superboy with his "Super karate". He's even kept him immobile in a hold on more then one occasion.

Who needs superpowers when you have super kung-fu that gives you superpowers anyway.

Originally posted by Iskandar
This is the best thread ever!
Thank you

Originally posted by Deadline
That's a good point but I have a feeling that the OP was assuming he didn't have it. Not sure if it's standard equipment and even if it is CIS means he probably won't use it in a fight.



Batman and Deathstroke have evaded Superman. I think I saw one fight were Val was having problems with Supergirl.

This one?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Karate%20Kid/valvskara.jpg

Still, he's only human. And she's, well, Kryptonian. Still a beastly feat lol.

An argument of "failed to level Supergirl" kind of proves how out of place he is in this tourney.

Val was dying, remember. And he was trying to get SGirls help.

After Equuis leveled her, he cut right through his arm with a karate chop.

Originally posted by cdtm
An argument of "failed to level Supergirl" kind of proves how out of place he is in this tourney.

Val was dying, remember. And he was trying to get SGirls help.

After Equuis leveled her, he cut right through his arm with a karate chop.

Exactomundo

Originally posted by TedKordJRBOSS
Thank you

I knew I had an evil twin with the exact same name lurking around here. Now I must hunt him down and exact divine retribution upon him.

Brb, fighting my evil clone.

I don't see Prometheus.

You've GOT to add Prometheus. Cry for Justice version, with prep.

Batman vs Joker vs Black Panther vs Catman vs Catwoman vs Deathstroke vs Deadshot vs Captain America vs 1610 Captain America vs Green Arrow vs Black Canary vs Daredevil vs Spiderman vs Elektra vs Shang chi vs iron fist vs Luke Cage vs Wolverine vs Nightwing vs Deadpool vs Punisher vs Bullseye vs Captain Boomerang vs Harley Quinn vs Talia al ghul vs Protocide vs U.S agent vs Daken vs Winter soldier vs midnighter(No doors) vs Moon Knight vs Taskmaster vs Kraven vs Ka-zar vs bane vs Cassandra Cain vs Damian Wayne vs Barbra Gordon vs Tim Drake vs Jason Todd vs Hawkeye vs Arsenal vs Connor Hawke vs Speedy vs Blade vs Gorgon vs Mystique vs Cyclops vs Lady Shiva vs Karate kid vs Black Widow vs Sabretooth vs Richard Dragon vs Thunderbird vs Beast vs Gambit vs Wildcat vs Killer Croc vs Lizard vs David Cain vs Crossbones vs Sharon Carter vs Psylocke vs Echo vs Kingpin vs Misty Knight vs Ronin vs Prometheus vs Stephanie Brown vs Batwoman vs Huntress vs Vic Sage vs Lady Blackhawk vs Bronze Tiger vs Katana vs Paladin vs Silver Sable vs White Tiger vs Talon vs Gamora

Originally posted by cdtm
An argument of "failed to level Supergirl" kind of proves how out of place he is in this tourney.

Val was dying, remember. And he was trying to get SGirls help.

After Equuis leveled her, he cut right through his arm with a karate chop.

No my argument was simply he's not perfect at dodging herald level characters. None of that proves he's going to outclass Gamora, Midngihter and Gorgon.

I gotta say that Mon El feat is really impressive though. That guy is good.

Originally posted by Deadline
No my argument was simply he's not perfect at dodging herald level characters. None of that proves he's going to outclass Gamora, Midngihter and Gorgon.

I gotta say that Mon El feat is really impressive though. That guy is good.

When has Midnighter, Gamora or Gorgon wrestled down 100 CL characters (Pre-Crisis level chracters)? On a regular bases?

Originally posted by Golgo13
When has Midnighter, Gamora or Gorgon wrestled down 100 CL characters (Pre-Crisis level chracters)? On a regular bases?

Neither has Val (pre-crisis ended in the 80s I think), what you mean to say has when have the others ever beaten high herald characters. Also remember Val seemed to be bloodlusted that can make them fight sloppy.

Originally posted by Deadline
Neither has Val (pre-crisis ended in the 80s I think), what you mean to say has when have the others ever beaten high herald characters. Also remember Val seemed to be bloodlusted that can make them fight sloppy.

He spars with Mon-El and pinned down an enraged PC Superboy. Much more impressive than anything Gamora has done. Even if it was for a time.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He spars with Mon-El and pinned down an enraged PC Superboy. Much more impressive than anything Gamora has done. Even if it was for a time.

and Gamora has spared with Thanos and gone up against Ronan...I don't think Mon-El can beat Thanos and I don't think PC feats count.

Originally posted by Deadline
and Gamora has spared with Thanos and gone up against Ronan...I don't think Mon-El can beat Thanos and I don't think PC feats count.

Thanos was hardly trying. The speedster val tagged was a lot faster than him. When I say val stomps, I mean pre crisis val. Zero hour would too. 3 boot wouldn't though.

That wasn't sparring with Mon-El. Mon-El was bloodlusted....

"Pre-Crisis" isn't exactly meaningful for the Legion. You've got three different alt realities though.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Thanos was hardly trying. The speedster val tagged was a lot faster than him. When I say val stomps, I mean pre crisis val. Zero hour would too. 3 boot wouldn't though.

3boot made a fool out of Ultra Boy in super speed mode.

Even if he wasn't the fastest, not too many could survive the punch he used to clear tons of ice and snow covering a building.. Gamora could, but that's about it.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Thanos was hardly trying. The speedster val tagged was a lot faster than him. When I say val stomps, I mean pre crisis val. Zero hour would too. 3 boot wouldn't though.

Well he wasn't trying his best but he did hit hard enough to send Drax flying. I'm just comparing sparring. Again pre-crisis not allowed. Flash is a lot faster than Deathstroke but DS still tagged him. I haven't seen any feats that make Val stomp.



Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That wasn't sparring with Mon-El. Mon-El was bloodlusted....

He was talking about a sparring feat.

Pre Crisis is tricky.

Because, Legion history continued uninterrupted into the early 1990's. Mon El pushing a white dwarf star was post crisis, I believe.

^ Impressive but its called a dwarf for a reason.

Originally posted by cdtm
Pre Crisis is tricky.

Because, Legion history continued uninterrupted into the early 1990's. Mon El pushing a white dwarf star was post crisis, I believe.

He also took it to Time Trapper.

How are CL15-CL70 characters street levelers?

Spider-man.

There.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
How are CL15-CL70 characters street levelers?

Bring on the high herald streets?

The way writers keep jobbing out high tier characters to prove how Morrison Batgod awesome their favorite characters are, street level's kind of lost it's meaning anyways. Black Panther, Captain America, Punisher, Batgod, and Cassandra Cain should be banned from kmc.

Why banned?
Those aren't the problem characters

The problem characters are superman and Thanos, those should be banned