Most Powerful Member of Each Race

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Emperordmb
Who is the most powerful character belonging to each species in the SW universe?

Emperordmb
Here's my list so far, it is subject to expansion and change in the future:

Celestial/Force Wielder: The Father
Human: Luke Skywalker
Sith: Vitiate
Twi'lek: Kas'im
Iktochi: Darth Cognus
Gen'Dai: Durge
Dathomirian: Mother Talzin
Muun: Darth Plagueis
Yoda's Species: Yoda
Pa'un: Darth Desolous
Bith: Darth Tenebrous
Yuuzhan Vong: Onimi
Kaleesh: Grievous
Besalisk: Pong Krell

NewGuy01
*Thread made to proclaim Kas'im the ultimate Twi'lek discreetly*

Talzin's vs Gethzerion, anyone?

Sinious
Kel Dor: Tol Braga ?

Q99
Planet: Zonama Sekot
Neti: T'ra Saa
Nagai: Darth Nihl
Barabel: Saba Sebatyne
Quarren: Darth Azard
Duros: Cad Bane (As far as I can tell, there are *no* Duros force users)
Mon Calamari: Cilghal (Not the only one Mon Cal Jedi, but the one time she faced a full Jedi opponent, she 'flattened him like a bug')
Whiphid: K'Khuhk, of course
Wookie: Tyvokka
Chiss: Sev'rance Tann
Anzati: Volfe Karkko




Too bad we don't know more about Darth Gean.



Possible competition: Wyyrlok.

I say possible because we never really got to see Cognus at her peak.

Nephthys
Well since she managed to beat Zannah.....

Q99
Krevaaki: Vodo-Siosk Baas
Togruta: Shaak Ti
Cathar: ... you know, I'm not sure. Sylvar? Rasi Tuum?


Originally posted by Nephthys
Well since she managed to beat Zannah.....

Sure, but we don't know how. If she did something to prevent Zannah from using her sorcery, or assassinated her, or what have you during the final encounter.

WildBantha88
Dathomirian: Mother Talzin
Kel Dor: Plo Koon
Wookie: Tyvokka
Besalisk: Pong Krell
Faleen: Darth Karrid
Kishuban: Irkit
Kiffar: Quinlan Vos
Miraluka: Jerec
Mirialan: Luminara/Barriss
Rakata: Predor Skal'nas
Weequay: Sora Bulq
god: Revan

Q99
Chistori: Desaan
Rodian: Dree Vandap? None of the Rodian Jedi were too impressive.
Trandoshan: Kras'dohk? (None of the force sensitive trandoshans have feats, but he's the only Master among them, and he taught our next candidate...).
Kaminoan: Kina Ha
Zeltron: Chantique, about a match for Jarael and force sensitive (no true Jedi or Sith- except for an unnamed one- among Zeltrons, but Crucible training makes for someone about as deadly anyway)

Q99
Cerean: Ki-Adi-Mundi
Bothan: Knol Ven'nari
Sullustian: Darrin Arkanian
Hutt: Either Beldorion or Zodoh (who, while a non-force user, traveled heavily armed and able to take on Jedi/Sith).

DarthAnt66
The general majority of the people who say Talzin>Gethzerion (well, Emperordmb and WildBatha88* at least) never even read the book she was featured in. erm
Gethzerion is an absolute beast, and one-shotted a post-ROTJ, pre-DE Luke Skywalker. She would be above Talzin, who Sidious didn't think much of off her homeworld.
*I'll let Bantha slide for proclaiming Revan as a god though.

Fated Xtasy
Miruluka: Um Jerec? maybe Visas?

Echani: Raskta Lsu nuff said

Korun: Mace Windu.

Togruta: Shaak Ti

Dathomirian: Gethzerion. apparently she can create force storms confused

DarthAnt66
Force Lightning Storms. wink

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Q99
Possible competition: Wyyrlok.

I say possible because we never really got to see Cognus at her peak.
Wyyrlok is not an Iktochi. You are like the second person whose responded to me today who has claimed Wyyrlok to be some other race. Wyyrlok is actually a Chagrian... I'm honestly surprised you didn't know that.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by WildBantha88

Mirialan: Luminara/Barriss

The Barsen'thor. cool

red8
Korun: Mace Windu
Mandalorian: Satine =)
Twi'Lek: Probably Tenebrous' master

NewGuy01
^Was thinking the same thing as far as the Twi'leks go.

DarthAnt66
Most powerful Taung/Mandalorian is Mandalore the Ultimate, not Satine. erm

Nephthys
Grand Champion of the Great Hunt > Mandalore the Ultimate.

DarthAnt66
The Grand Champion isn't Taung. no expression

FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Emperordmb

Yoda's Species: Yoda

Who would've thought?

WildBantha88
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Who would've thought? Actually Yaddle is like Yoda on steroids

red8
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Most powerful Taung/Mandalorian is Mandalore the Ultimate, not Satine. erm

Satine is the most powerful, from a certain point of view. wink

Q99
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Wyyrlok is not an Iktochi. You are like the second person whose responded to me today who has claimed Wyyrlok to be some other race. Wyyrlok is actually a Chagrian... I'm honestly surprised you didn't know that.


... I did know that, but my brain was being dumb!


Ok, so Iktochi: Congus
Chagrian: Wyyrlok

FreshestSlice
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Actually Yaddle is like Yoda on steroids
Nah.

AncientPower
Human: Luke Skywalker
Dathomirian: Gethzerion
Echani: Traya
Twi'lek: Kas'im
Sephi: Fay
Chagrian: Wyyrlok
Iktotchi: Saesee Tiin
Zabrak: Darth Maul
Sith: Vitiate
Zeltron: Chantique
Togruta: Shaak Ti
Nautolan: Kit Fisto
Hutt: Beldorion
Rakata: Soa
Cathar: Rasi Tuum
Muun: Plagueis
Bith: Tenebrous
Duros: Cad Bane
Massassi: Kalgrath
Trandoshan: Kephess
Kel Dor: Plo Koon
Falleen: Darth Karrid
Barabel: Saba Sebatyne
Mon Calamari: Cilghal

About as far as I am willing to go atm.

Q99
Is 'droid' a race?

carthage
Saba is a barbell?

Q99
Yep, very barabel.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060705124728/starwars/images/2/2b/TekliAndSabaSebatyne-FH3Japan.jpg

(The not-as-furry one)

Hm, the furry one in the pic, Tekli, is a contender for most power Chadra-Fan. Her or master Tili Qua- really the only two force using Chadra-Fan we know, and neither really fought.

carthage
I have no idea who either of those characters are. Also lol @ Kas'im being the most powerful Twi'lek

Q99
Less, named Twi'leks of note:
Yuthura Ban
Kas'im
Aayla Secura
Alema Rar
Darth Talon
Shado Vao
Darth Luft

That's who comes to mind.

Q99
So if it's not Kas'im, would it be Talon?

Or would we use one of those barely-know-anything-about Ro2 Twi'lek sith lords that are off my list?

carthage
Talon has better force feats than Kas'im, and is probably a better warrior altogether.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Q99
So if it's not Kas'im, would it be Talon?

Or would we use one of those barely-know-anything-about Ro2 Twi'lek sith lords that are off my list?
I'd still say it is Kas'im, keep in mind that the only people who claimed otherwise either cited Tenebrous's master, or have the username "Carthage."

Kas'im and Tenebrous's master are realistically the most viable for this position.

DarthAnt66
Darth Tenebrous's Sith Master>>>Kas'im.

Emperordmb
If we knew shit about Tenebrous's master, I might think differently.

Q99
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'd still say it is Kas'im, keep in mind that the only people who claimed otherwise either cited Tenebrous's master, or have the username "Carthage."

Kas'im and Tenebrous's master are realistically the most viable for this position.

There's Darth Gean, who unlike Tenebrous's master has a name and we know some of her fight with her master... but really both of those are way too unknown.

NewGuy01
Tenebrous's master opened a hole in the Force, and advanced the Grand Plan more than any other of the lineage.

And you know, to defeat a Banite Sith is something I'm not convinced whatsoever Kas'im is capable of.

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by Emperordmb
If we knew shit about Tenebrous's master, I might think differently.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Tenebrous's master opened a hole in the Force, and advanced the Grand Plan more than any other of the lineage.

And you know, to defeat a Banite Sith is something I'm not convinced whatsoever Kas'im is capable of.

Q99
So our best Twi'lek has to be someone with no name and no pictures? -_-;;

carthage
Kas'im has no pictures, and Talon has better force feats. It saddens me you'd pick someone who has proven to be trouble for a duelist like Cade, versus someone who was struggling to close a victory over a trainee in spite of multiple advantages.

*tear

Q99
I think even 'trainee' Bane was quite strong... but Talon definitely does have the force advantage, yes.

appletonia
Kas'im defending against Bane's temple destroying attack was pretty damn impressive. What are Talon's feats?

appletonia
Also, Nihilus of whatever the hell he is.

appletonia
Sith - Vitiate
Human - Sidious
Celestial - dad
Planet - Yuuzhan'tar
Bedlam Spirit - Tilotny
Rakata - Soa
Yuuzhan Vong - Onimi

Arhael
Human - Irek Ismaren. Ha!

Q99
Originally posted by appletonia
Kas'im defending against Bane's temple destroying attack was pretty damn impressive. What are Talon's feats?


Gives good fights to Cade Skywalker and Shado Vao, both very strong saber duelists, defeated and killed the personal bodyguard and Master of Princess Marasiah Fel in a saber duel. TK-wise, she ripped up the Jedi/Sith temple floor, as in pulled out an amount of rock notably taller than her and even wider than that out of what had been a solid piece of rock. I don't know how many tons that is or how much force that'd take to even break free from the flot, but 'a lot.'

Also has lightning (took down Master Wolf Sazen), mind-reading, some illusion, and hiding herself in the force.


Basically she's an extremely well-trained and skilled prodigy. If she has any flaws, it's that her tactics don't always fit her style. Talon's very acrobatic and skilled at evasion when she plays defensively, but tends to push the offense, which is where Cade's tagged her. Which can likely be attributed to, despite her intense training and skill, she has somewhat less real-world experience than you'd expect of someone of her power.


Oh yea, and she got hit with a thrown starship once and was basically ok.

appletonia
Originally posted by Q99
TK-wise, she ripped up the Jedi/Sith temple floor, as in pulled out an amount of rock notably taller than her and even wider than that out of what had been a solid piece of rock. I don't know how many tons that is or how much force that'd take to even break free from the flot, but 'a lot.'

Sounds somewhat impressive but even then comics have a tendency to visually exaggerate the scale of the action taking place.

Kas'im on the other hand defended against an attack that tore through this:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=temple+of+the+ancients&biw=1920&bih=946&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wIkMVPTvOIvT7AawzYHIDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=XlQKxlydAX0IcM%253A%3Bducb5_q-6Rp_pM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg3.wikia.nocookie. net%252F__cb20080604205953%252Fstarwars%252Fimages
%252Ff%252Ffe%252FUnkwld_temple.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fstarwars.wikia. com%252Fwiki%252FTemple_of_the_Ancients%3B1024%3B7
68

The sheer depth of the attack is something Kas'im had to defend entirely against and it's pretty remarkable that he was able to, and for a weapons specialist no less.



As in she ultimately survived, or simply shrugged it off?

WildBantha88
Originally posted by carthage
Kas'im has no pictures, and Talon has better force feats. It saddens me you'd pick someone who has proven to be trouble for a duelist like Cade, versus someone who was struggling to close a victory over a trainee in spite of multiple advantages.

*tear

This trainee has lightning in the same league as dooku and TK that insta kills on impact. He is ten strikes persecond and knows the force storm ability.

This little trainee is more powerful than many council masters.

Emperordmb
Not to mention he wasn't even a ****ing trainee. Bane had already been promoted to the Sith Council like a week earlier, and was only around a week away from becoming the Dark Lord of the Sith.

Q99
Originally posted by appletonia

As in she ultimately survived, or simply shrugged it off?

She took the opportunity to retreat and engaged in combat again later with no medical treatment in between.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Arhael
Human - Irek Ismaren. Ha!

Cyborg?

carthage
OMG he raised a basic force shield while he was amped by a nexus to brace himself from a telekinetic showing that was amped by a nexus. Kas'im even said that raising a force shield was the most basic of lessons. He has no other force feats that compare to Talon smashing an entire stone floor




Trainee Bane's lightning has only killed fodder non force sensitives, it has never been useful in combat with a powerful force sensitive. It can be absorbed by a saber like any FL can, ergo its useless unless you can't raise a force shield.

WildBantha88
Originally posted by carthage


Trainee Bane's lightning has only killed fodder non force sensitives, it has never been useful in combat with a powerful force sensitive. It can be absorbed by a saber like any FL can, ergo its useless unless you can't raise a force shield.

His lightning showed the same amount of lethality that dookus lightning has. "Cooking people alive..." I believe is the exact terminology used for his lightning. And Dookus can be blocked with a lightsaber too so what is your point?

red8
Kaleesh - Grievous

NewGuy01
Originally posted by WildBantha88
His lightning showed the same amount of lethality that dookus lightning has. "Cooking people alive..." I believe is the exact terminology used for his lightning. And Dookus can be blocked with a lightsaber too so what is your point?

What's yours?

carthage
Originally posted by WildBantha88
His lightning showed the same amount of lethality that dookus lightning has. "Cooking people alive..." I believe is the exact terminology used for his lightning. And Dookus can be blocked with a lightsaber too so what is your point?

Oh shit Bane has a power than even AOTC Kenobi can block wit a lightsaber. Back off guys his Bald guy named Bane is a real winner

WildBantha88
POD Banes lightning is potent and a testimony to his power. Already in POD Bane is doing things Dooku can do. But yet you still seem to want to pass him and Kas'im off as fodder. Why, baffles me.

NewGuy01
PoD Bane is interesting in how he differs from DoE Bane in terms of style and apparel.

carthage
Originally posted by WildBantha88
POD Banes lightning is potent and a testimony to his power. Already in POD Bane is doing things Dooku can do. But yet you still seem to want to pass him and Kas'im off as fodder. Why, baffles me.

I've never seen POD Bane hurl tons of boulders and bury a Jedi master with the flick of his wrist, lift 12 Obelisks that weigh tons each, ragdoll powerful force users, break a bridge with TK, collapse a ceiling, break balconies, break a crane. Bane's lightning is nothing special, it can be absorbed by a lightsaber. FL in general is nothing any powerful opponent need worry about.

Arhael
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Cyborg?
Well, his race is still human.

Q99
For cyborgs, we've got Irek Ismaren, Grievous, Vader, and Malgus.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by carthage
I've never seen POD Bane hurl tons of boulders and bury a Jedi master with the flick of his wrist, lift 12 Obelisks that weigh tons each, ragdoll powerful force users, break a bridge with TK, collapse a ceiling, break balconies, break a crane.
Devastating the temple of Lehon. Hurling a pillar enchanted to ward off force powers. Instakilling people by wrecking their bodies as soon as his force wave hit them (which is by the way something that I fail to see often).


Originally posted by carthage
Bane's lightning is nothing special, it can be absorbed by a lightsaber. FL in general is nothing any powerful opponent need worry about.
Hero of Tython, Zannah, Anakin, Windu and Yoda would disagree with you.

Fated Xtasy
Originally posted by Q99
For cyborgs, we've got Irek Ismaren, Grievous, Vader, and Malgus.

Wouldn't Lumiya also be on that list of Cyborgs? nothing trying to be an ass, i'm genuinely curious if she is considered a cyborg because of her extensive enhancements is all, sorry if i came across like that.

Q99
Originally posted by Gods Son
Malgus isn't a cyborg lol. More usual BS from Q99


Wow, did you miss the big cybernetic respirator he has somehow? That's permanently installed, you know, it's not just as mask.





Oh yes, definitely. Low-profile but fairly extensively.

Q99
Originally posted by Gods Son
Maul is more of a cyborg than malgus lmfao


Uh, yes, they're both cyborgs, with significant cyborg parts they rely on.


Not sure where this is giving you trouble.

Q99
Originally posted by Gods Son
so is plagueis also a cyborg? he also had a respirator lmao


Do you... not know the definition of cyborg? It sounds like you really, really don't.

You keep doing the incredulous laugh thing without realizing, yes, if someone has permanent robotic parts, they're a cyborg. If they actually need cybernetics to live, they certainly are!

Only a few cyborgs are completely enclosed/mostly machine types, but the others are most definitely cyborgs.




Hm, maybe splitting them into heavy cyborgs (Grievous/Vader/Irek types), and medium cyborgs (Malgus/Plagueis/Lumiya/Azlyn Rae etc. types) would do... there's also some cyborgs with only a single non-vital cybernetic feature, but those hardly seem worth going over.

carthage
All nexus feats dope. The text clearly states that Bane had to gather nexus energy to topple the pillar on Lehon, the same energy on the planet also made trainee Bane faint like a *****



-Path of Dickstruction

Bane off nexus was only able to shatter crates and tents, his TK in DOE is pathetic he hurled a table, rubbed a guards organs and killed him, and sent guards flying into a wall. All of Bane's feats on Lehon, Korriban, and Dxun are among darkside nexuses, and none of that power belongs to him as his TK feats without an amp are laughably bad



None of those examples are relevant to Bane's lightnings power thumb up. All it did was momentarily stop Zannah, if it was as 00ber as you Banetards let on it would've punched through her lightsaber and fried her. Which is ironic since you and Neph constantly put it on Sidious's tier, even though its only ever killed fodder.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by carthage
All nexus feats dope. The text clearly states that Bane had to gather nexus energy to topple the pillar on Lehon, the same energy on the planet also made trainee Bane faint like a *****
What was it that you tried to argue about Kun's amulet blasts?
Oh yeah! you tried to argue that Nexuses don't do shit.
Originally posted by carthage
Also lol @ bringing up Kun's need for a nexus for his gauntlets, there is no quote stating unequivocally that the temple boosted his blasts.
Originally posted by carthage
I asked for a quote where it stated that he relied on the nexus.
Originally posted by carthage
Again, if you can't provide a quote that stated that Yavin's ambient darkside energies were the souce of his power, then I will just laugh at you hording quotes as usual
Originally posted by carthage No one disputed that the amulet amplified Kun's power, but this quote mentions nothing about a nexus.
Originally posted by carthage Nowhere does it state it needed a nexus
Originally posted by carthage My end summary: As usual you failed to provide a quote stating Yavin was the source of Kun's blasts
Originally posted by carthage Nowhere in any of the quotes mentioned anything specifically stating Yavin was the course for Kun's power
Is this another one of your double standards Carthage?

And the text said nothing about gathering "nexus" energy. Not to mention the fact that the wave that brought down the temple would've been significantly weakened by the fact that Kas'im blocked and absorbed the strongest point of the wave.



Originally posted by carthage
Bane off nexus was only able to shatter crates and tents,
And instantly wreck people's bodies. You also act as if this is the limit of his power, even though he did this rather casually. I have actually never seen a casual blast of telekinetic energy from Dooku or Maul pulverize people's bodies.

Originally posted by carthage
his TK in DOE is pathetic he hurled a table, rubbed a guards organs and killed him, and sent guards flying into a wall. All of Bane's feats on Lehon, Korriban, and Dxun are among darkside nexuses, and none of that power belongs to him as his TK feats without an amp are laughably bad
You mean in DOE where he was either having his power suppressed, or was drugged in an underground prison that he didn't want to bring down on himself or set off the explosives embedded in the walls? GG Carthage.

I'd also like to point out that none of his TK feats in DOE prove a limit for him. He never failed at something he attempted with TK. And again, this TK he utilized while drugged crushed half a dozen guards' internal organs to pulp, which is still something I have yet to see from the likes of Dooku or Maul.



Originally posted by carthage
None of those examples are relevant to Bane's lightnings power thumb up.
Zannah still had to be very wary of Bane's lightning even while he was unarmed and she was armed.

Originally posted by carthage
All it did was momentarily stop Zannah, if it was as 00ber as you Banetards let on it would've punched through her lightsaber and fried her.
You mean Zannah, the person who instinctively shielded herself from the force storm on Ruusan, who also trained for twenty years to kill Bane?

Originally posted by carthage
Which is ironic since you and Neph constantly put it on Sidious's tier, even though its only ever killed fodder.
Bane's lightning was capable of disintegrating four people with a single one handed burst. The only Sith I've seen who can match or exceed the power of Bane's lightning are Sidious and Vitiate.

NewGuy01
Malgus and Nyriss are competitors.

carthage
The debate I had with Ant was regarding Kun's destructive capacity with regards to the temple Nexus. It had nothing to do with whether or not the power originated from him it did, and there are multiple quotes to support that. This is not the case with Bane, as the text clearly states he was gathering energy. What double standard again, I already admitted that the nexus contributed to overpowering his blasts in that debate. Again try to learn some reading comprehension kiddo, Kun's blasts came from himself and were overpowered by the nexus, Bane gathered nexus energy and used them to topple the pillar. Bane's TK feats are not analogous to his showing on Lehon much like Kun's destructive power on Yavin is likely not representative of his power due to the nexus.



That still has nothing to do with the fact that his TK feats off nexus are inferior to his showings on Lehon and Dxun thumb up. Derp. Bane's showings are inconsistent and pathetic, i,e breaking boxes, throwing a table into a wall, and breaking someone's spine. Those are all much inferior feats.



There is no proof for your claim. Dooku has collapsed a massive crane, hurled boulders that weighed tons onto Tholme without strain, lifted obelisks that weighed tons, ragdolled Kenobi, and that's just a few. Bane has nothing to compare off nexus, accept it. Maul's feats are also superior.



She still absorbed it with her lightsaber, and that still doesn't prove it can fry her as its only killed fodder thumb up




That showing was never replicated and was an instance of her force potential not something she ever did again.



Who cares?

Q99
Shi'ido changelings: Belia Darzu

Considering the only two candidates we know are 'force sensitive pegged as a potential RoT apprentice to Venamis but never trained or giving a name,' and 'leader of all the Sith in the galaxy in her time and the last sith during the New Sith Wars strong enough to unite all of them,' I think Belia's a shoe-in.

Geistalt
Originally posted by Q99
For cyborgs, we've got Irek Ismaren, Grievous, Vader, and Malgus.

Malgus wasn't a cyborg...

Anyways, here's what I've got:

Human: Luke Skywalker
Sith: Valkorion / Vitiate
Yoda's Species: Isn't it obvious?
Muun: Darth Plagueis
Bith: Darth Venamis
Massassi: Malaphar the Savage
Rakata: Soa
Zabrak: Talzin
Zabrak (Natural Force Power): Darth Maul
Miraluka: Jerec
Chagrian: Darth Wyyrlok III
Iktotchi: Saesee Tiin
Kel Dor: Plo Koon
Nautolan: Kit Fisto
Mirialan: Luminara Unduli
Chiss: Mitth'raw'nuruodo
Chiss (Natural Force Power): Sev'rance Tann
Twi'lek: Darth Tenebrous' Master
Twi'lek (Known): Darth Gean
Togruta: Shaak Ti
Cathar: Sylvar
Dashade: Khem Val
Chistori: Desann
Selkath: Ortuno
Echani: Brianna
Fosh: Vergere
Yuuzhan Vong: Onimi
Kaleesh: Xalek
Draethos: Odan-Urr
Arkanian: Arca Jeth
Krevaaki: Vodo-Siosk Baas
Droid: IG-88

Ursumeles
Human: Luke
Bith: Tenebrous
Sith: Vitate
Muun: Plagueis
Yoda species: Yoda
Miraluka: Jerec
Chagrian: Darth Wyyrlok III
Iktotchi: Cognus
Kel Dor: Plo Koon
Nautolan: Kit Fisto
Mirialan: Luminara Unduli
Twi'lek: Tenebrous Master>Gean>>>>Alema/Talon
Echani: Brianna
Fosh: Vergere
Yuuzhan Vong: Onimi
Rakata: Soa
Zabrak: Maul

cs_zoltan
Talzin is not Zabrak.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The general majority of the people who say Talzin>Gethzerion (well, Emperordmb and WildBatha88* at least) never even read the book she was featured in. erm
Gethzerion is an absolute beast, and one-shotted a post-ROTJ, pre-DE Luke Skywalker. She would be above Talzin, who Sidious didn't think much of off her homeworld.
*I'll let Bantha slide for proclaiming Revan as a god though. big grin

Jmanghan
Most powerful in the force, or best in combat?

Geistalt
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Talzin is not Zabrak.

She was a human-Zabrak hybrid. So was Maul. And Vitiate was a Sith-human hybrid.

Geistalt
And Saesee Tiin has WAY better showings than Cognus.

Ursumeles
Originally posted by Geistalt
And Saesee Tiin has WAY better showings than Cognus.
Cognus is a confirmed superior to Zannah.

Geistalt
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Cognus is a confirmed superior to Zannah.

Ha! So? That doesn't say anything about her Force power or influence over the galaxy.

Ursumeles
Originally posted by Geistalt
Ha! So? That doesn't say anything about her Force power or influence over the galaxy.
There arw quotes that says that she is more powerful than Zannah erm

Geistalt
Originally posted by Ursumeles
There arw quotes that says that she is more powerful than Zannah erm

Still doesn't mean she's > Saesee Tiin.

The Ellimist
Yoda's species - Yoda
Human - Luke
Twi'lek - not Kas'im

Sinious
Originally posted by Geistalt
And Vitiate was a Sith-human hybrid. What?

Ursumeles
Originally posted by Geistalt
Still doesn't mean she's > Saesee Tiin.
Cognus>Zannah>Tiin

Azronger
Originally posted by Sinious
What?

I think he meant that Vitiate - like every Sith "pureblood" - has human ancestors.

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