No PIS, No CIS; High Powered Beings unleashed...

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TheLordofMurder
Lets take away all restraint, all character inhibitions (self imposed or otherwise), and the need to abide by a plot from the following characters; these characters will utilize everything in their arsenal, utilize every resource available to them, and fight as ruthlessly as needed to win...

1) Silver Surfer...
2) Classic Dr Strange...
3) OWAW Superman...
4) Current Thanos...
5) Uatu...
6) Well Fed Galactus (has eatten 4 worlds)...


What would be the lowest tiered character that could defeat them (individually of course) every single time under these conditions? Would prefer if you actually name a character (more ammunition to debate with)...

Standard forum combat conditions for all battles except they all are to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed...

Edit: CIS still applies for these guys opponents! PIS does not however...

pym-ftw
Thor
Thor
PG Thor
King Thor
...
A Higher Abstract.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor
Thor
PG Thor
King Thor
...
A Higher Abstract.

You really think Thor (CIS still applies for these guys opponents!) could defeat a completely uninhibited Surfer every single time!??

I dont know...


Edit: I agree with you as pertains OWAW Superman btw; I believe PG Thor beats him...
As for Galactus, how high of an abstract are you talking about?

pym-ftw
Their opponents have Cis on? Hmm probably someone like space Gem Thanos vs Surfer and Solar armor SBP for Strange.

riv6672
Thor
Thor
PG Thor
King Thor
King Thor
Hank Pym

krisblaze
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
1) Silver Surfer...
2) Classic Dr Strange...
3) OWAW Superman...
4) Current Thanos...
5) Uatu...
6) Well Fed Galactus (has eatten 4 worlds)...

1) I think Thanos could take on a Surfer going all out.

2) uhm...Odin maybe. Classic Strange had some ridiculous feats under his belt.

3) Odin would stop him.

4) Odin would stop this guy also. I feel that Thanos performs pretty well, and isn't as much inhibited by CIS as certain other characters are.

5) Odin again?

6) No clue...eternity?

carver9
1) Silver Surfer... Nothing short of trans tier. Don't think Thanos could. Superman Prime probably.
2) Classic Dr Strange... Odin
3) OWAW Superman... Surfer or Thor
4) Current Thanos... Nova Prime or Gladiator smile
5) Uatu... Galactus
6) Well Fed Galactus (has eatten 4 worlds)... Eternity

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by carver9
1) Silver Surfer... Nothing short of trans tier. Don't think Thanos could. Superman Prime probably.
2) Classic Dr Strange... Odin
3) OWAW Superman... Surfer or Thor
4) Current Thanos... Nova Prime or Gladiator smile
5) Uatu... Galactus
6) Well Fed Galactus (has eatten 4 worlds)... Eternity carter is back

Laminator_X
Odin over Classic Strange at his peak? Odin's not that different from reigning Dormammu.

carver9
Originally posted by carver9
1) Silver Surfer... Nothing short of trans tier. Don't think Thanos could. Superman Prime probably.
2) Classic Dr Strange... Odin
3) OWAW Superman... Surfer or Thor
4) Current Thanos... Odin
5) Uatu... Galactus
6) Well Fed Galactus (has eatten 4 worlds)... Eternity

Jokes Kurupt, that's why I put the smiley. The correct answer is above.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Odin over Classic Strange at his peak? Odin's not that different from reigning Dormammu.
Classic Odin had some sick feats though, the whole Infinity bit was insane.

Prof. T.C McAbe
1) Silver Surfer... Odin
2) Classic Dr Strange...Classic Dr. Fate
3) OWAW Superman...Odin
4) Current Thanos... WBH
5) Uatu...Galactus
6) Well Fed Galactus (has eatten 4 worlds)... COIE AM

Laminator_X
Originally posted by krisblaze
Classic Odin had some sick feats though, the whole Infinity bit was insane.

Yup. That's a ton of power for Strange to steal and turn the tables with. wink

krisblaze
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Yup. That's a ton of power for Strange to steal and turn the tables with. wink
Odin's resisted similar stuff in the past.

But in all fairness, power-stealing has also worked on him stick out tongue

TheLordofMurder
Pretty good answers guys....thanks for the input! thumb up

I will say this though, I dont think Eternity could stop Galactus in this state...why? Because I believe that a completely uninhibited Galactus wouldnt hestitate to use the Ultimate Nullifier...

You probaly would have to go as high as Peak Power COIE AM to beat him (and thats only if the UN doesnt end him in one shot)...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
1) Silver Surfer... Odin
2) Classic Dr Strange...Classic Dr. Fate
3) OWAW Superman...Odin
4) Current Thanos... WBH
5) Uatu...Galactus
6) Well Fed Galactus (has eatten 4 worlds)... COIE AM

I like this list... thumb up

Two questions though; Classic Strange and Classic Fate both have some insane feats (I honestly always thought of them as roughly equal). Why do you think Classic Fate could take Classic Strange every single time?

As pertains WBH, I could see this IF WBH could resist being mind raped by Thanos...what are WBH's TP resistance feats?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I like this list... thumb up

Two questions though; Classic Strange and Classic Fate both have some insane feats (I honestly always thought of them as roughly equal). Why do you think Classic Fate could take Classic Strange every single time?

As pertains WBH, I could see this IF WBH could resist being mind raped by Thanos...what are WBH's TP resistance feats?
Thanks ^^
I used to read a lot of PC stuff and what Fate did was PC wise insane, it impressed me simply more than Strange. A gut feeling from my memories if you wish.

I assume that WBH is at his angriest level, where his mind is only rage, something a telepath shouldn't be able to control. I can see WBH being brought down but not with TP.

krisblaze
Having a primitive mind is no defense against telepathy.

Hulk's previous resistance-feats form enough of a foundation to argue against Thanos mindraping him.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by krisblaze
Having a primitive mind is no defense against telepathy.

Hulk's previous resistance-feats form enough of a foundation to argue against Thanos mindraping him.

It is not about being primitive, it is about the insane rage in his mind.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It is not about being primitive, it is about the insane rage in his mind.
He still has a brain.

Being angry doesn't suddenly mean your brain functions differently.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by krisblaze
He still has a brain.

Being angry doesn't suddenly mean your brain functions differently.

IMO it does, especially with the Hulk. Try to control thoughs that rage like a storm, this should increase the TP resistance.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
IMO it does, especially with the Hulk. Try to control thoughs that rage like a storm, this should increase the TP resistance.
Control thoughts?

His anger strengthens his telepathic resistance though.

Branlor Swift
I like the use of Odin for ****ing Surfer and Dr Strange... In that case.

Odin
Odin
Odin
Odin
Odin
Not Odin

TheLordofMurder
I honestly dont think High Skyfather is lowest tiered being that could beat "unleashed" Surfer every single time...

There are 5 levels of power between High Herald and High Skyfather...

riv6672
What exactly are the levels?
Who'd be at those levels?

janus77
1) Zeus / Odin level
2) Hawkeye or Galactus
3) Surfer
4) WBH/Odin
5) Rulk / IB / random Celestial / Proemial god
6) Marvel staff writer / LT

h1a8
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets take away all restraint, all character inhibitions (self imposed or otherwise), and the need to abide by a plot from the following characters; these characters will utilize everything in their arsenal, utilize every resource available to them, and fight as ruthlessly as needed to win...

1) Silver Surfer...
2) Classic Dr Strange...
3) OWAW Superman...
4) Current Thanos...
5) Uatu...
6) Well Fed Galactus (has eatten 4 worlds)...


What would be the lowest tiered character that could defeat them (individually of course) every single time under these conditions? Would prefer if you actually name a character (more ammunition to debate with)...

Standard forum combat conditions for all battles except they all are to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed...

Edit: CIS still applies for these guys opponents! PIS does not however...
1) High Abstract (LT, etc.)
2) Celestial level (low abstract)
3) Celestial level (low abstract)
4) Skyfather (Thanos doesn't really have the power output to harm anyone higher nor any exotic powers that's capable).
5) Celestial Level (low abstract)
6) High Abstract

Insane Titan
Lmao the only person that gets down played is Thanos despite having the same powers as Surfer.

Also phucking lol @ the Surfer nonsense.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by riv6672
What exactly are the levels?
Who'd be at those levels?

Trans Low: Collector
Trans Mid: Blackheart
Trans High: Current Thanos

Skyfather Low: Grandmaster
Skyfather Mid: Serpent

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by h1a8
1) High Abstract (LT, etc.)
2) Celestial level (low abstract)
3) Celestial level (low abstract)
4) Skyfather (Thanos doesn't really have the power output to harm anyone higher nor any exotic powers that's capable).
5) Celestial Level (low abstract)
6) High Abstract

And this is why people dont take you serious...

Surfer normally ranks as a High Herald, but according to you, if hes unbound, he leaps up this far as pertains what is required to beat him:

High Herald

Trans Low
Trans Mid
Trans High

Skyfather Low
Skyfather Mid
Skyfather High

Elder God Low
Elder God Mid
Elder God High

Cube Being Low
Cube Being Mid
Cube Being High

Abstract/High Powered Cosmic Low
Abstract/High Powered Cosmic Mid
Abstract/High Powered Cosmic High


Really h1...

A Cube Being cant annihilate Surfer unbound?

Gaia cant annihilate Surfer unbound?

What about Odin?


Whats worse, according to you, Galactus unbound (who has stated that Surfer is a million times less powerful than him) at x4 strength (thus 4 million times stronger than Surfer) requires the same level opponent to defeat as the Surfer unbound does...

You are smarter than this....you cant seriously believe what you wrote...please tell me you are trolling.

carver9
Lol...it was stated on panel that the the more angry Hulk is the harder it is to use telepathy against him. Kris doesn't know much about the Hulk.

Tony Stark
SENTRY
SENTRY
SENTRY
SENTRY
SENTRY
SENTRY

golem370
1.Uber Morg
2.Zom
3.Classic Dr Strange
4.Afro Magus
5.Ego
6.Abraxas

Star428
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lmao the only person that gets down played is Thanos despite having the same powers as Surfer.

Also phucking lol @ the Surfer nonsense.


As much as it pains me to take the same side of someone such as you, I have to agree. Surfer is being way overrated here.

CadenceV2
1) Pre Armageddon Spawn
2) Pre Armageddon Spawn
3) Pre Armageddon Spawn
4) Hell King Spawn / Omega Spawn
5) Hell King Spawn / Omega Spawn
6) Divine Spawn

riv6672
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Trans Low: Collector
Trans Mid: Blackheart
Trans High: Current Thanos

Skyfather Low: Grandmaster
Skyfather Mid: Serpent
That helps, thanks!

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor
Thor
PG Thor
King Thor
...
A Higher Abstract.

1) LIES!
2) LIES!

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