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Force, sabers, all out

With Giga-Drain- Team 2
Without Drain, Kreia is no match for either of Team 1 and will die long before Malgus handles the other.

Kreia is not all about giga-drain whatsoever. Why people continue to believe that is the be all and end all of her powers evades me.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kreia is not all about giga-drain whatsoever. Why people continue to believe that is the be all and end all of her powers evades me.
That isn't the problem. The problem is that both members of Team 1 are above the Exile, or at least equal, in terms of power.

I'd say they're both more powerful than the Exile.

Team 2. Even without the drain.

I see no reason why she cant dominate Wrath with TK.

Originally posted by carthage
I see no reason why she cant dominate Wrath with TK.
Because her TK couldn't dominate the Exile, let alone the Wrath that is more powerful than her.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That isn't the problem. The problem is that both members of Team 1 are above the Exile, or at least equal, in terms of power.



Also, so was Traya.

Also, the Wrath isn't.

Also...

Originally posted by Selenial
Also, so was Traya.

Originally posted by Selenial
Also, the Wrath isn't.

Eh.

Originally posted by Selenial


Also, so was Traya.

Also, the Wrath isn't.

Also...


And Talzin beats Sidious

Traya not being able to dominate the exile is not proof she cant dominate Wrath. Wrath has never fought an opponent who utilizes the force as someone who can casually dominate multiple Jedi masters. I dont see it but I'm curious as to your point of view Fresh

Well he did beat the Emperor's Voice when Sel Makor possessed it.

Force feats for the Voice and Sel Makor?

Well Sel Makor was said to be a threat to all life in the universe, a being capable of at least planet-wide devastation who can create darkside abominations out of thin air and is so obscenely powerful and corrupt that almost no Jedi or Sith can even walk in his domain without going insane.

And the Voice wields Vitiate's power.

Originally posted by Trocity
And Talzin beats Sidious

I don't recall anyone ever saying that.....

Unless there's rather biased extenuating circumstances, or are you saying Sidious is an immortal god who can never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever be beaten? Hmm? LeGenD wishes to compare notes on techniques of the tongue if so. He's getting bored of just using his hand.

Originally posted by Selenial
Hmm? LeGenD wishes to compare notes on techniques of the tongue if so. He's getting bored of just using his hand.


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Originally posted by Selenial


Also, so was Traya.

Lolno. Traya fought the Exile to fullest of her abilities and lost. Let's be real.

Baras and Sel-Makor > Traya.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lolno. Traya fought the Exile to fullest of her abilities and lost. Let's be real.

"One day you'll surpass her"

Moments before the core.

Mmk?

Mmk, Kewl.



Get the **** out of my sight.

Traya was more powerful than the Exile. This was confirmed in a source. The Exile won through superior battle prowess and her ability to have two hands.

Baras probably could beat Traya tho.

Originally posted by Selenial
"One day you'll surpass her"

Moments before the core.

Mmk?

Mmk, Kewl.

She says she won't hold back. Honestly, Darth Revan> Traya. Either way, the Wrath is faster than the Exile as well. It's ggs all around.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Baras probably could beat Traya tho.

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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Darth Revan> Traya.

Baras was pretty crazy powerful. The Hand and Vowrawn considered him borderline invincible.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Baras was pretty crazy powerful. The Hand and Vowrawn considered him borderline invincible.

And Dooku considered himself above Yoda.

Appearance is everything, if he was invincible then Vowran wouldn't have been retarded enough to openly deny him.

Noting of course that he was against Baras long before the wrath came into play.

Originally posted by Selenial
And Dooku considered himself above Yoda.

Appearance is everything, if he was invincible then Vowran wouldn't have been retarded enough to openly deny him.

Noting of course that he was against Baras long before the wrath came into play.
Do you know how hard it is to put almost the entire Dark Council into fear? These aren't some pretender Banite Sith. We're talking unsurpassed TOR Sith here. Bow before your Voice, and the Emperor may forgive you.

Vowrawn didn't start shit to his face though, he ran away to Corellia because Baras would beast him into the dirt. And Baras still would have had him killed if it wasn't for the Wrath. Vowrawn just didn't want to bow to him as a False Emperor. His personal power doesn't have much to do with Vowrawn, who deals mostly in political intrique and stuff.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vowrawn didn't start shit to his face though, he ran away to Corellia because Baras would beast him into the dirt. And Baras still would have had him killed if it wasn't for the Wrath. Vowrawn just didn't want to bow to him as a False Emperor.

Not exactly an accolade, Vowran kinda sucks.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Do you know how hard it is to put almost the entire Dark Council into fear? These aren't some pretender Banite Sith. We're talking unsurpassed TOR Sith here. Bow before your Voice, and the Emperor may forgive you.



Go home, you're high.

Yeah, but thats not reflective of his opinion about Baras being almost unstoppable, which the Hand agrees with. And they're clearly intimately familiar with the ability of the TOR era Sith considering they analysed the prowess of millions of the strongest Sith in the Empire to decide on Scourge's replacement.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
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Dis r belong to me nao

Trayas f eats put her well above most if not all of the dark council members from what Ive seen. The only thing Baras has on her is superior dueling feats, but there is also nothing from him Ive seen that suggests he can take her down. Traya is among the most powerful Sith imo

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kreia is not all about giga-drain whatsoever. Why people continue to believe that is the be all and end all of her powers evades me.

Lol she absolutely is only about the giga drain.

Originally posted by Based
Lol she absolutely is only about the giga drain.
Well done, you just invalidated every opinion you can ever put forth regarding Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Traya fought the Exile without Giga-drain and did just fine, did she lose? yes, did she show immense power whilst doing so? yes.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That isn't the problem. The problem is that both members of Team 1 are above the Exile, or at least equal, in terms of power.
Revan, the Exile, Barsen'thor, Hero, Wrath, Nox are all likely on a very close level..

That being said Malgus and Traya are likely above all of them.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Revan, the Exile, Barsen'thor, Hero, Wrath, Nox are all likely on a very close level..

That being said Malgus and Traya are likely above all of them.
Traya isn't above Revan, the Barsen'thor, the Hero of Tython, The Emperor's Wrath, or Darth Nox. :/

As a duelist, she's below the Exile. She there's no way she can deal with any of the powerhouses here.

I see a more thorough analysis of her abilities is required, simply put she's displayed powers that none of them bar Nox can even replicate.

Having more powers doesn't mean you're stronger. I'm not sure where that idea came from. I'm well aware of Traya's abilities. She's just not up to snuff.

She can fight all three of the other characters here at once with lightsabers whilst blasting them with force powers...

'not up to snuff'.

She couldn't even do that to the Exile. And she was definitely trying to kill her.

Traya is above Wrath and Nox. An argument can be made for Barsen due to force shields, but Trayas feats with drain and TK are above anything shown by Nox or Wrath. She TKed multiple Jedi masters on a lightside nexus IIRC, this is a superior showing to anything Nox and Wrath have shown.

Anyway team 1 wins. Malgus is superior to Wrath in all regards, and Traya can hold her own against Barsen. If roles are reversed Malgus kicks Barsens ass, and Traya ragdolls Wrath.

Meetra isn't really on the same playing field as the rest mentioned.

Originally posted by carthage
Traya is above Wrath and Nox. An argument can be made for Barsen due to force shields, but Trayas feats with drain and TK are above anything shown by Nox or Wrath. She TKed multiple Jedi masters on a lightside nexus IIRC, this is a superior showing to anything Nox and Wrath have shown.

How much do you actually know about the Wrath or Nox?

@NewGuy

And she still lost. To someone weaker than her, apparently.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Meetra isn't really on the same playing field as the rest mentioned.

She should have been, though it sounds like they completely nerfed her in Revan/TOR.

She gets owned badly by Nyriss, a Dark Council member.

The Revan novel turns her into yet another Revan worshipper and nerfs her badly.

KotOR2 Exile whom I will use every time (because that is the version not character murdered by a different author), is at least twice as powerful as Karpyshyn's version.

One can attempt to make the conclusion that DK's nexus had something to do with her displaying nothing but a decent Force Push the entire time. However that's theory, strong theory but theory none-the-less.

I think the most logical explanation is her long stay on Natemha.

Originally posted by AncientPower
KotOR2 Exile whom I will use every time (because that is the version not character murdered by a different author), is at least twice as powerful as Karpyshyn's version.

Originally posted by Sinious
I think the most logical explanation is her long stay on Natemha.

Her long stay of about 30 minutes?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Her long stay of about 30 minutes?

What? I always thought she stayed longer than the other 3.

Nah. Read the chapter, it takes her a few minutes to search the place, 5 minutes to have T3 download the data then she runs back to the ship. She does zone out when she first lands for another few minutes though. Still, 30 minutes is generous.

Im actually reading the book again and Meetra just arrived on Natemha. I shall see.

New theory then:

Since she is a wound in the force, Natemha effected her more than usual. Why not?

Why not? Well the fact that she isn't a wound in the Force might have something to do with it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Why not? Well the fact that she isn't a wound in the Force might have something to do with it.

She can't ignore her past dude.

If Revan can sense the Force in the Exile, she isn't a Force Wound. Revan can sense the Force in her, stronger than ever, so...

Is that how it works though?

According to the Council, and everyone else, yes.