Monsters vs. Aliens

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byrdgang21
Dracula
Frankenstein
Man-Thing
Swamp Thing
Wendigo (Mauvis)
Grundy
Sasquatch
Ghost Rider


Vs


Superman
Silver Surfer
Orion
Martian Manhunter
Gladiator
Super Skrull
Sinestro
Ronan


Who wins?

CadenceV2
Oh wow. Ghost Rider, Manthing, and Swamp Thing is all that's needed to win here. They cannot lose here.

God Cloth Seiya
There are several weak links on team monsters. Although swamp thing will be a ***** team aliens get majority.

Flyattractor
Yeah. Marvel pwns out poor Manthing way to much IMO. Hell I aint seen a good showing from Manny since that crossover with the Marvel Zombies vs the Monster Squad. Manthing got some COOL action in that.

riv6672
What about Fear Itself? He seemed pretty powerful there.

Anyhow, i give the edge to the aliens, at least until some counter argument comes along.

CadenceV2
Originally posted by riv6672
What about Fear Itself? He seemed pretty powerful there.

Anyhow, i give the edge to the aliens, at least until some counter argument comes along.

I will provide a argument.

While Manthing may seem to been punk out recently, the last showing he had was vs a Ghost rider, and considering GRs are by powerset perfect counter to Man Thing, its not that bad of a showing.

Man Thing is a being who has beaten Fear lords, Hell Lords, and other super beings time and again. He is like Swamp Thing that can regen instantly as long there is a earth he can touch. He can emit Empathy to cause mental emotions people normally would not have. He can use the plants around him to attack. He has Hulk Strength. Best of all he can one shot anyone with Burning Touch. MT also has the ability to teleport anywhere through space, time, and multiverse thanks to his powers of the nexus.

Swamp Thing. not a expert on this guy, but seen scans where Swamp thing already beaten a angry Superman, Captain Atom, and others before. So.....

Ghost Rider. As long this is angel of vengeance versions (as in GR going all out) then he can solo. His Hell Fire allows for instant unlimited Regen. He can withstand hits from a piss off Thor with no damage. GR Hell Fire is so powerful it had one shot Man Thing of all people, and the Hell Fire burns the soul as much as the physical body. GR also has access to Nearly Unbreakable Hell Fire Chains. These Chains have held Hulk, Hell Lords, and other Ghost Riders without ever breaking. GR best weapon is the Penance Stare which makes you feel all the pain you caused, and I mean physical as well mental pain, to be returned back to you. The only way to beat GR is with powerful magic or holy weapons. Recently GR took on Dr. Strange, Thor, Wanda, Man Thing, and the rest of the Avengers with no problem. The guy regularly beats Hell lords in their own realm.

In short there is no way for Team one to win with out powerful magic or at the very least Cosmic Powers.

They cannot win.

God Cloth Seiya
GR lost to hulky.

Originally posted by CadenceV2


In short there is no way for Team one to win with out powerful magic or at the very least Cosmic Powers.


Surfer

CadenceV2
Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
GR lost to hulky.



Surfer

While that answere sounds good, its not enough at all.

GR has beaten Mephisto in his own realm as well outside it. Surfer lost to Mephisto outside his realm pretty handily and Surfer with Firestar lost to Mephisto in his realm.

Add to this Surfer has a hard time with Thor. GR took on Thor, Scarlet Witch, Doc Strange, Man Thing, and the rest by himself without losing.

Surfer is not cutting it against GR who can only be harm by Magic or Holy weapons.

riv6672
Good enough for me thumb up

God Cloth Seiya
Originally posted by CadenceV2
While that answere sounds good, its not enough at all.

GR has beaten Mephisto in his own realm as well outside it. Surfer lost to Mephisto outside his realm pretty handily and Surfer with Firestar lost to Mephisto in his realm.

Add to this Surfer has a hard time with Thor. GR took on Thor, Scarlet Witch, Doc Strange, Man Thing, and the rest by himself without losing.

Surfer is not cutting it against GR who can only be harm by Magic or Holy weapons. You seem to want to go by Ghost riders best feats but not surfers.

CadenceV2
Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
You seem to want to go by Ghost riders best feats but not surfers.

Surfer at his best is Hell Lord level? I Guarantee you I can show GR High ends that trump SS High Ends.

Also its a fact only Magic or Holy harms a Spirit of vengeance. I say SOV and not Human Control GR as Human Control GR are Mid Meta. Vengeance, Blaze, Ketch, whates her name are all Human Control GRs. Zarathos, Nobel Kale, Caleb are all SOV controlled GRs.

GR has two switches. Human control, or if we go with a serious GR then SOV control.

In short I can post for a fact better feats on the part of GR than Surfer can show or has shown. Also again Magic and Holy are not within Surfer's power. GR will regen instantly any damage like Mephisto, Blackheart, ect.

riv6672
Even knowing Surfer's best showings, this is still team on team. I dont think Surfer can BFR the more powerful monsters after reading the various posts.

CadenceV2
Man thing cannot be BFR at all. He is multi Versal in teleportation as guardian of Marvels Nexus.

GR has several feats of dimension hopping, teleportation, and yes even time traveling.

Swamp Thing can teleport to any place in DC verses with plants IIRC. Could be wrong on that.

riv6672
I believe you're right on Swamp Thing.
With no BFR, this becomes a different fight...

Kazenji
Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
GR lost to hulky.


Only because Blaze was in control

but eh....**** context.

zopzop
Team Aliens for the slaughter.

CadenceV2
Originally posted by Kazenji
Only because Blaze was in control

but eh....**** context.

^ This.

Also for future reference Blaze GR beaten Savage Hulk pretty easily lol. WWH Could not beat Zarathos at all.

CadenceV2
Originally posted by zopzop
Team Aliens for the slaughter.

I really like to know how. How can they harm GR, Man Thing, or Swamp Thing at all?

how do they withstand Burning Touch that destroys Hell lords or Hell Fire that burns the soul?

riv6672
On these two teams, team alien's top tiers are outgunned. The reverse for each team's lower tiers, IMO. That said, i dont believe the alien second tiers can make up the difference.

zopzop
Originally posted by CadenceV2
I really like to know how. How can they harm GR, Man Thing, or Swamp Thing at all?

how do they withstand Burning Touch that destroys Hell lords or Hell Fire that burns the soul?
I want scans of that if you can produce them. I want to see the context and Hell Lord involved. And it better not be D'Spayre. He's not a Hell Lord. He's a minor Fear Lord.

CadenceV2
Originally posted by zopzop
I want scans of that if you can produce them. I want to see the context and Hell Lord involved. And it better not be D'Spayre. He's not a Hell Lord. He's a minor Fear Lord.

No problem. I will dig them up in the morning. It was Thog btw, in his own realm.

riv6672
Sweet!

Kazenji
Originally posted by CadenceV2
^ This.

Also for future reference Blaze GR beaten Savage Hulk pretty easily lol.

Classic Ghost Rider also beat Hulk too by burning all the oxygen around him.

riv6672
Which is weird since Hulk can survive in space.

CadenceV2
Originally posted by riv6672
Which is weird since Hulk can survive in space.

Back the Hulk needed to breath. Now and days he can hold his breath or days .

riv6672
I think this is just one of those things. From what i just Googled it seems to vary by writer...



No biggie. This debate hardly hinges on this one fact. Interesting, though...!

CadenceV2
Man Thing vs Marvel Super Zombie is a good showing of power. The Marvel Zombie Virus was transformed into a storm cloud that disintegrated any living matter with its rain. it also was able to turn 3 super beings into one super zombie. This cloud was so powerful that Hell Lord Hellstrom did not want to **** with it. Man Thing regen not only instantly regen any damage to him, but he also resisted the Marvel Zombie virus that claimed Wolverine, Silver Surfer, and Sentry!

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3534962
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3534963
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3534964
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3534965

As long Manthing could touch the ground, he was impervious. Then when destroyed he resurrected himself any way. Add to this he was able to use Empathy to force the Marvel Zombie Virus to feel fear for the Burning touch!

Man Thing fights Hell Lord Thog in a battle of collapse infinity. Beats Thog with Burning Touch.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3534984
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2963715

Man Thing takes down D'Spayre. A fear lord. Take note that in this feat, Man thing was forced by D'Spayre to feel fear, yet survives his own touch!

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2963712

Man Thing Burning Touch wrecks King Hyperion!

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3202889

Man Thing can also cover a area with Burning Touch plants/Spores too.

http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2937905-man_thing_ability_burning_touch_thru_plants__1_.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2937906-man_thing_ability_burning_touch_thru_plants__2_.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2937907-man_thing_ability_burning_touch_thru_plants__3_.jpg


Man Thing simply is too much.

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