Superman vs Thor

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well, Masterson couldn't even touch Thor, and Masterson did receive a significant amount of training.

Other than that Thor beat every warrior in Asgard barring Sif and Odin before he had Mjolnir.
Masterson received training? When? And masterson got blitzed by Spider-man under the same writer. But leaping around someone as fast as you is one thing. Beating the shit out of someone faster than you is another.

Well, Thor was stronger than everybody. So its not such a good feat as you think.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman vs. Wraith (2/2):
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When has Thor beaten such an opponent as Wraith?

Philosophía

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Peers in strength. Thor wasn't a peer in strength with pre-Flashpoint Superman, and DCnU Superman is stronger.

I'd really like you to try and prove that.

abhilegend

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Peers in strength. I like Thor in h2h.
Well Superman is stronger and can beat even stronger people than him in h2h. So how would Thor win here?

maxivitopowe

Why make this thread then ffs

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
Masterson received training? When? And masterson got blitzed by Spider-man under the same writer. But leaping around someone as fast as you is one thing. Beating the shit out of someone faster than you is another.
By Cap?

Masterson had some shit moments though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, Thor was stronger than everybody. So its not such a good feat as you think.
Doesn't matter if they never touched him.

That aside, there aren't many incidents where he's fighting barehanded.

Just seems silly to toss aside thousands of years of fighting because Superman had one recent fight where he used his skills smile

abhilegend

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Why make this thread then ffs
Because I searched and there was no thread like it?

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
By Cap?

Masterson had some shit moments though.

Doesn't matter if they never touched him.

That aside, there aren't many incidents where he's fighting barehanded.

Just seems silly to toss aside thousands of years of fighting because Superman had one recent fight where he used his skills smile

Not much training IIRC.

What kind of reasoning is that? We go by feats of skills, not years of experience. By that account Wildcat must be more skilled than Batman because he is decades older.

erm

Estacado

Thor.uhuh

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not much training IIRC.

He received some, but obviously not enough.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What kind of reasoning is that? We go by feats of skills, not years of experience. By that account Wildcat must be more skilled than Batman because he is decades older.

erm

The reasoning is that the guy who mainly fights with his hands/hammer, is the best out of a race of warriors and has consistently been the best will generally do better than someone who's been fighting for maybe 5-10 years and always has a massive advantage in strength/durability/speed.

Superman's one fight doesn't change any of this.

Thor beat Loki and Fenris when he was depowered.

Hell, he was keeping up with Cap in Ellis' run.

krisblaze

Shit, I just read the fight against Wraith.

It was trash no expression

Thor wins.

I'll gladly take you to a battlezone.

Thor vs DCNU Superman in pure skill.

shadowknight

People act like SM is some noob. SM is extremelly skilled at HTH and there's a considerable STR and Durability difference between them. Anyone who says their peers is living in DENIAL.

krisblaze

Originally posted by shadowknight
People act like SM is some noob. SM is extremelly skilled at HTH and there's a considerable STR and Durability difference between them. Anyone who says their peers is living in DENIAL.
The phuck do you know, sock?

Thor's got more skill in his left thumb than DCNU Superman has in his entire thorax.

shadowknight

Originally posted by krisblaze
The phuck do you know, sock?

Thor's got more skill in his left thumb than DCNU Superman has in his entire thorax. Of course he does that why he always beats Hulk, WM and Hercules in 3 panels because of his great skill at HTH combat.

krisblaze

Originally posted by shadowknight
Of course he does that why he always beats Hulk, WM and Hercules in 3 panels because of his great skill at HTH combat.
His skill is why he was beating the Hulk in their first encounter.

Hercules is more skilled than both DCNU Superman and Thor smile

Wonder-Man and Thor have never fought hand 2 hand, but Thor's already so much stronger than him that the fight's a wash.

Philosophía

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Sure be my guest. Though you'll probably post things many of us have seen ad nauseam. Post proof of what? I'm asking you to back up your opinion - that Thor is a peer of DCnU Superman's strength, when he was noticeably inferior to Pre-Flashpoint Superman's strength.

Go.

Philosophía

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
laughing out loud

You're the one who came in here proclaiming you'd like to try and "prove" that they are not peers. To which I said be my guest. I asked you to prove it, since you're the one who first made the claim they're peers.

Do you deny you made the claim they're peers, before I posted anything in this thread?

BONUS ROUND: Cowardice test

Battlezone challenge: You say they're peers. I say Superman is noticeably stronger.

Are you in?

Let's see if Thor fans are as coward as Thanos fans.

quanchi112

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
laughing out loud

What's the point of me denying something I just said a few posts ago? Funny guy. You say he's noticeably stronger with such gusto I'm surprised you haven't scan blasted yet.

Cowardice test? Please... You keep trying that on every thread. This is an open one. You might as well go ahead with cementing your proclamations before you pop a blood vessel. Phil is try desperate in pushing his agenda these days. Screaming everyone is a coward yet denying any challenge he doesn't approve of that comes his way.

Philosophía

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
laughing out loud

What's the point of me denying something I just said a few posts ago? Good. The surely you must agree the burden of proof falls on you, the one who mode the initial claim without supporting it.

Here's how it is: for every piece of evidence you bring of Thor's strength, I'll bring another piece of evidence that proves Superman is stronger.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Cowardice test? Yes. You've failed.

Originally posted by krisblaze
How is this any way to talk to somebody?

And I've already issued a challenge to Abhi.

Don't make this a 2-challenge thread. I'm taking the spotlight away.

ha-som

carver9

Good fight and undecided tbh. Thor has a lot of history to lean on whereas Supes did have two good fights. One with Doomsday and the other against Wraith. Don't know who is stronger between Thor and this version of Supes but I do think Thor holds the skill advantage.

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
He received some, but obviously not enough.

The reasoning is that the guy who mainly fights with his hands/hammer, is the best out of a race of warriors and has consistently been the best will generally do better than someone who's been fighting for maybe 5-10 years and always has a massive advantage in strength/durability/speed.

Superman's one fight doesn't change any of this.

Thor beat Loki and Fenris when he was depowered.

Hell, he was keeping up with Cap in Ellis' run.
Not really. Masterson was extremely unskilled. Even people like Absorbing Man and Ulik overwhelmed him in straight up h2h.

And that's some faulty logic. If Thor is so much skilled, show me him beating someone stronger than himself using skills only. I'll wait. Sure there are tons of examples if Thor is so skilled, right?Originally posted by krisblaze
Shit, I just read the fight against Wraith.

It was trash no expression

Thor wins.

I'll gladly take you to a battlezone.

Thor vs DCNU Superman in pure skill.
Ha, like you declaring it was trash means anything.

Post a showing where Thor beats someone stronger than himself. Anybody stronger than himself using skills. That's better than wasting my time in a BZ.

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
His skill is why he was beating the Hulk in their first encounter.

Hercules is more skilled than both DCNU Superman and Thor smile

Wonder-Man and Thor have never fought hand 2 hand, but Thor's already so much stronger than him that the fight's a wash.
Thor and Simon fought h2h in WCA Annual 2. Simon pwned Thor in h2h making him use mjolnir to fight instead, directly overpowering Thor in a strength contest.

And lulz @ this unsubstantiated claim. Who has Herc beaten due to skills?Originally posted by krisblaze
The phuck do you know, sock?

Thor's got more skill in his left thumb than DCNU Superman has in his entire thorax.
laughing out loud

carver9

ABHI...you're honestly getting happy for nothing about the Wraith fight.

Remember the issue before this, Superman wore a ring that made Wraith weak. Kind of like Kryptonite. Well, he had that ring on in his fight against Wraith as shown here (look at his hand).

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987287/5461654.jpg.html

Wraith was weakened. Not only was he weakened by the magnetic fields (Superman was as well) but Superman also had Wraith Knite on his hand.

Estacado

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI...you're honestly getting happy for nothing about the Wraith fight.

Remember the issue before this, Superman wore a ring that made Wraith weak. Kind of like Kryptonite. Well, he had that ring on in his fight against Wraith as shown here (look at his hand).

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987287/5461654.jpg.html

Wraith was weakened. Not only was he weakened by the magnetic fields (Superman was as well) but Superman also had Wraith Knite on his hand.
WTF are you talking about? Superman only used the kryptonite ring after he beat Wraith. He specifically said that the fight would be about their strength, speed and skills.

And the magnetic field only took away Wraith's exotic powers. His strength was intact. God, your reading comprehension is like of a toddler. GTFO.

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF are you talking about? Superman only used the kryptonite ring after he beat Wraith. He specifically said that the fight would be about their strength, speed and skills.

And the magnetic field only took away Wraith's exotic powers. His strength was intact. God, your reading comprehension is like of a toddler. GTFO.

Look at his hand. When did he put the ring on ABHI? Especially looking at the fact that he had the Cape in his hand the entire time choking the life out of Wraith.

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor and Simon fought h2h in WCA Annual 2. Simon pwned Thor in h2h making him use mjolnir to fight instead, directly overpowering Thor in a strength contest.

And lulz @ this unsubstantiated claim. Who has Herc beaten due to skills?

Simon flew at Thor and they exchanged blows...

Anyone he's ever beaten?

Take the battlezone challenge.

DCNU 52 Superman vs Thor in h2h skills only.

Take it, coward.

Philosophía

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What I thought exactly would happen. Smh..

Thor is a peer of other top tiers like Hulk, Orion, Shazam(Billy), Hyperion, etc, etc... Now Superman could be stronger than most of these peers of his(debatable), but to claim that he is noticeably stronger than Thor by proxy would put these guys well below him too.

I'd also like to add that Thor is also a peer in overall durability, stamina, damage soak, and the like which would make this fight close.. Still taking Thor with the edge. So no evidence, just broad, generalized, unsubstantiated claims.

thumb up

Superman is a peer to Darkseid, who is a peer of Thanos', who mudstomped Thor's peers and equals

Yay, claims!

Moron.

Go hide behind that rock and hope I don't come searching for you.

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
Look at his hand. When did he put the ring on ABHI? Especially looking at the fact that he had the Cape in his hand the entire time choking the life out of Wraith.
He took it after he had Wraith at his mercy.

Last three pages before that and he had never any ring in his hands.

http://i.imgur.com/KyHpYRu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pi6mx0C.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XZxlOMO.jpg

Its completely asinine to think Wraith's kryptonite played any part in that fight. Superman was kryptonite poisoned before that fight though.

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
Simon flew at Thor and they exchanged blows...

Anyone he's ever beaten?

Take the battlezone challenge.

DCNU 52 Superman vs Thor in h2h skills only.

Take it, coward.
Go read the fight again. They grappled and Simon overpowered Thor from a lying position.

http://i.imgur.com/sBPdpqq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YzVoV8p.jpg

Simon was owning Thor's ass in that fight. So much for skills, eh?

Why would I ever waste my time on that kind of BZ? You can end this discussion by posting Thor's skills feats where he beats someone stronger than him.

Silent Master

With these stips, Thor wins.

abhilegend

Seriously though, what makes Thor a peer of DCnU Superman? Even secondary strength characters like wonder woman have closed reality fissures that could've destroyed earth in DCnU with bare hands.

Superman ripped Doomsday in half using pure strength. When has Thor performed feats like that?

krisblaze

Abhi, you silly man.

Thor barely has any superstrength at that point, as he was under Hela's curse.

Not that it matters much as he's fighting with the hammer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Go read the fight again. They grappled and Simon overpowered Thor from a sitting position.

Why would I ever waste my time on that kind of BZ? You can end this discussion by posting Thor's skills feats where he beats someone stronger than him.

Okay? That's all it takes?

Thor (depowered during the Seth war) beat Grog the god-crusher after he had been tortured for a month or so...

http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog6.jpg.html
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog7.jpg.html
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog8.jpg.html
Courtesy to Rage for the scans.

And another one, where a powerless Thor kills trolls, who are around class 20-30...
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsTrolls1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsTrolls2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsTrolls3.jpg

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
Abhi, you silly man.

Thor barely has any superstrength at that point, as he was under Hela's curse. The fight was after Thor 383. Thor's bones were healed before that fight.

Its h2h.

erm

What Rage didn't tell you that Thor still had half of his strength as Balder had siphoned half of his strength. Go read the comic.

erm

Seriously? Did you even read the scans? And two pages later some random humans kicked the crap out of a hoard of the same "20-30 tons trolls".

http://i.imgur.com/wadCwDL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/enEIzAB.jpg

In fact one of the humans breaks a troll's arm.

Its amazing how much context you can hide.

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
The fight was after Thor 383. Thor's bones were healed before that fight.

Its h2h.
He's holding the hammer, but yeah, then it was post-recovery.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What Rage didn't tell you that Thor still had half of his strength as Balder had siphoned half of his strength. Go read the comic.
You go read the ****ing comic.

Loki was the one who restored half of Thor's strength, after.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? Did you even read the scans? And two pages later some random humans kicked the crap out of a hoard of the same "20-30 tons trolls". Go read Thor 500 and come back.
No I didn't read the comic now, I haven't read it in over 10 years.

It doesn't matter, Thor showed more skill there than DCNU Superman ever did.

Why don't we take this to the battlezone, and I'll prepare my comics smile

Kamahamaha

I like Thor, but the Thor fans are getting owned here. Must keep my mouth shut or look as stupid as Silent Master et al.

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
He's holding the hammer, but yeah, then it was post-recovery. Good.

I have. Thor wasn't depowered and Grog is only class 30. Even half strength Thor is stronger than Grog.

Lulz.

Claiming and doing something is different.

Why waste my time if all you have are out of context scans?

krisblaze

Thor obviously showed more skill though no expression

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=522796&pagenumber=16

You can look at this though. If it doesn't change your mind then we can take it to the battlezone.

Absorbing Man was on his way to become heavyweight champion before this went down, mind you smile

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor obviously showed more skill though no expression

What is so good in dominating people weaker than yourself? And here is the context regarding Thor vs Grog.

http://i.imgur.com/z2cRzqe.jpg

Balder took half of Thor's strength away. Grog defeated Thor then in previous battle. And then Balder died giving Thor his powers back. So yeah, Thor was never depowered to begin with.

erm

And there is not a single feat of dominating someone stronger/faster than himself. So, no. Its not sufficient. If I tried, i could find context in nearly everyone of those showings though.

smile

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
What is so good in dominating people weaker than yourself? And here is the context regarding Thor vs Grog.

http://i.imgur.com/z2cRzqe.jpg

Balder took half of Thor's strength away. Grog defeated Thor then in previous battle. And then Balder died giving Thor his powers back. So yeah, Thor was never depowered to begin with.

erm

I looked it up now.

Balder mentions half, but the comic makes it seem a lot more serious...
Stripped me of my godly strength
http://imgur.com/p6dj9fu

Shorn of his godly powers
http://imgur.com/4oinOqd

Mortal I may be
http://imgur.com/eF1iBtH

Such an act would leave him defenseless
http://imgur.com/erP3i3h

So don't talk about half of his strength :/

krisblaze

I also looked up Thor 500 again.

There is 1 troll being killed by 7 humans and 1 asgardian.

Thor kills another troll on his own, and then several frost giants later no expression

Badabing

Originally posted by krisblaze
I also looked up Thor 500 again.

There is 1 troll being killed by 7 humans and 1 asgardian.

Thor kills another troll on his own, and then several frost giants later no expression

You're a Norwegian who lives in Japan. That makes no sense. We can't trust a word out of your mouth! sneer

Estacado

Originally posted by Badabing
You're a Norwegian who lives in Japan. That makes no sense. We can't trust a word out of your mouth! sneer
thumb up

This midget speaks the truth.uhuh

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
He took it after he had Wraith at his mercy.

Last three pages before that and he had never any ring in his hands.

http://i.imgur.com/KyHpYRu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pi6mx0C.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XZxlOMO.jpg

Its completely asinine to think Wraith's kryptonite played any part in that fight. Superman was kryptonite poisoned before that fight though.

So you're saying he put the ring on and took it back off? We never seen him put it back on tbh.

carver9

Also, it doesn't matter when he put it on, the ending result matters. We don't know if Superman would have got the defeat if he didn't use the ring in the end.

DARTH POWER

It seems to me Thor's strength was fading and didn't just go in 1 go. But it's pretty clear he's considerably weaker than Grog but still kicking his butt. But as usual Abhi will go to any lengths to lowball Thor's abilities.

Also not everything is about pure feats. There a tremendous amount of implied combat ability from someone whose been a Warrior for thousands of years. When Superman has been a warrior for even hundreds of years, then start the comparison of combat skill.

Superman does however have a strength advantage h2h. Whether that's enough to give him the win or not I'm not sure. But my money would be on Thor, especially with Mjolnir.

quanchi112

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good.

I have. Thor wasn't depowered and Grog is only class 30. Even half strength Thor is stronger than Grog.

Lulz.

Claiming and doing something is different.

Why waste my time if all you have are out of context scans? Backed down.

laughing out loud

krisblaze

Never before have I witnessed such denial of Thor's martial prowess.

Abhi refuses to stand up to peer review because he knows that he will be found lacking.

The best he can do is stick his head in the ground and claim that if there is no direct analogy to the Superman/Wraith fight, then Thor has never beaten someone stronger than him using skill.

Lord knows what his argument would've been last week.
Originally posted by Badabing
You're a Norwegian who lives in Japan. That makes no sense. We can't trust a word out of your mouth! sneer
Thor's been to Japan uhuh

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
I looked it up now.

Balder mentions half, but the comic makes it seem a lot more serious...
Stripped me of my godly strength
http://imgur.com/p6dj9fu

Shorn of his godly powers
http://imgur.com/4oinOqd

Mortal I may be
http://imgur.com/eF1iBtH

Such an act would leave him defenseless
http://imgur.com/erP3i3h

So don't talk about half of his strength :/
Seriously? Balder tells outright that Thor's strength is halved but you take random narration from Thor instead? Which came one issue earlier? And pray tell me how a powerless Thor could shatter chains that Warriors three couldn't?

Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying he put the ring on and took it back off? We never seen him put it back on tbh.
No, he took it only when he beat Wraith up. The ring played no part in the fight itself as explicitly stated by Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, it doesn't matter when he put it on, the ending result matters. We don't know if Superman would have got the defeat if he didn't use the ring in the end.
Hahahaha, Superman beat the shit out of Wraith and had him on his mercy. GTFO.

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? Balder tells outright that Thor's strength is halved but you take random narration from Thor instead? Which came one issue earlier? And pray tell me how a powerless Thor could shatter chains that Warriors three couldn't?

The 'narration' was from both before and after no expression

It also doesn't matter what Balder says in one instance, when he clearly states that he has the power of Thor, which is backed up by narration, Thor's own statements and the statements of Sif.

It was also made very clear that Thor was weaker than Grog when he beat him.

golem370

Pulling Midgard Serpent a pretty impressive strength feat.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121209/2412826-1400456_thor_143_super.jpg

krisblaze

Let's get another thing straight also.

Bearded Thor is almost exclusively Hela-cursed Thor.

The first thing he did after he recovered from his injuries was to shave off the beard. He didn't appear as cured until 2 months after his fight with Wonder-Man, and the issue where he fought Wonder Man was published a week before the issue curing him was. Both being published September 1987.

Regardless, Wonder Woman taking it to Thor hand 2 hand is not a testament to Thor's poor fighting ability but to the sheer strength of Englehart Wonder Man , who considered Simon Thor's equal or superior in pure strength.

Also, phuck Abhi for trying to call me on this stuff when all he's doing is purposely lying to sow doubt.

abhilegend

Yeah, Thor beat some trolls which humans did and when he beat the frost giants he removed Ravenseye from the world tree which restored his power.

erm

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, Thor beat some trolls which humans did and when he beat the frost giants he removed Ravenseye from the world tree which restored his power.

erm

It was clear that his power wasn't really restored until he grabbed the sword/mjolnir flew back to him.

And the one troll was beat by 7 humans and 1 asgardian.

Here, first he fights some frost giants with strange;

http://imgur.com/uYBsguE
http://imgur.com/NuTN3BI

Then later is his power restored;
http://imgur.com/1iRdjgZ

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
Let's get another thing straight also.

Bearded Thor is almost exclusively Hela-cursed Thor.

The first thing he did after he recovered from his injuries was to shave off the beard. He didn't appear as cured until 2 months after his fight with Wonder-Man, and the issue where he fought Wonder Man was published a week before the issue curing him was. Both being published September 1987.

Regardless, Wonder Woman taking it to Thor hand 2 hand is not a testament to Thor's poor fighting ability but to the sheer strength of Englehart Wonder Man , who considered Simon Thor's equal or superior in pure strength.

Also, phuck Abhi for trying to call me on this stuff when all he's doing is purposely lying to sow doubt.
The injury was noted to be healed before that issue in Avengers. In fact Thor was in liquid state since Thor 380 which was published two months ago. If you're using chronology as a proof, Thor should've been a puddle and wearing the destroyer armor.

And Thor had long been wearing his armor to keep his bones intact as noted in Assault on Olympus. No such armor was seen in WCA annual.

Just the second part of that story arc had Hyperion beat the living phuck out of Simon. Abomination controlled by Tyrannus beat the living shit out of Simon under Englehart.

erm

Originally posted by krisblaze
It was clear that his power wasn't really restored until he grabbed the sword/mjolnir flew back to him.

And the one troll was beat by 7 humans and 1 asgardian.

Here, first he fights some frost giants with strange;

http://imgur.com/uYBsguE
http://imgur.com/NuTN3BI

Then later is his power restored;
http://imgur.com/1iRdjgZ
In that scene with Frost Giants, a human Dr. Strange is ragdolling Frost Giants and Thor is throwing rocks at them. And I misremembered the sequence of the power up. Sorry about that.

Where the phuck is the skill showing? Those are some weaksauce frost giants if strange can throw them around with just his human strength which he did just one page earlier.

erm

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
The injury was noted to be healed before that issue in Avengers. In fact Thor was in liquid state since Thor 380 which was published two months ago. If you're using chronology as a proof, Thor should've been a puddle and wearing the destroyer armor.

And Thor had long been wearing his armor to keep his bones intact as noted in Assault on Olympus. No such armor was seen in WCA annual.

Just the second part of that story arc had Hyperion beat the living phuck out of Simon. Abomination controlled by Tyrannus beat the living shit out of Simon under Englehart.
Your smileys are very cute, they do little to strengthen your argument.

Thor was in liquid state then, but the beard was removed immediately after. Unless Thor grew a new beard instantly and then dropped it for his encounter with the Celestials (which happened immediately after his body was restored by hela), then it's Thor with the curse. Simple as that.

So what? Englehart still thought Simon was around Thor's equal in pure strength, and the fight has nothing to do with Thor's poor hand to hand skills. If anything, it's just a desperate attempt to lowball. I believe you've been warned about that previously smile

Originally posted by abhilegend
In that scene with Frost Giants, a human Dr. Strange is ragdolling Frost Giants and Thor is throwing rocks at them. And I misremembered the sequence of the power up. Sorry about that.
Dr.Strange ani't ragdolling shit, you phucking liar.

Thor has the frost giant blinded with the rope and pulls at it whilst Strange pulls the rope tied to his leg.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where the phuck is the skill showing? Those are some weaksauce frost giants if strange can throw them around with just his human strength which he did just one page earlier.
Strange wasn't throwing anyone around. The one Frost Giant was tripped.

Later Thor attacks/moves around and chokes one of the other Giants.

These are the skill showings. When he fought the trolls he dodged, parried and used his agility to beat them. Similar feat with the Frost Giants.

If you want to continue this flat-out denial, you can look at what Superman's doing against Wraith..

And you've still be challenged to battlezone this. Stand up to a phucking peer review for once, instead of weasling around here in your own fantasy world.

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
Your smileys are very cute, they do little to strengthen your argument.

Thor was in liquid state then, but the beard was removed immediately after. Unless Thor grew a new beard instantly and then dropped it for his encounter with the Celestials (which happened immediately after his body was restored by hela), then it's Thor with the curse. Simple as that. Not really. Thor's bones were healed in Thor 382, he removed his beard in Thor 386. There is too much indeterminate betwen the issues. And if his bones were broken, where is his armor? Which he was shown wearing since Avengers 277? And his brittle bones were noted in Avengers 276. None of that was noted in WCA Annual 2.

And you're wrong, Thor grew a beard since Thor 362, not to hide his brittle bones but to hide the scars on his face.

Really? Thor got manhandled and where were his skills?

That's what we say ragdolling.

erm

I forgot the skills of Thor where he was around someone's neck while Ulik was attacking it.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

LOLWUT? I would give you that he showed some skills against the trolls, but against frost giants? Lulz.

He is flat out beating the shit out of someone stronger and faster than him by a huge margin? Without being touched once?

Yeah, DCnU Superman has like 100 comics. Thor has close to 2000 issues. Just an unfair amount of issue gap. But its like talking to rage, he always goes around to make challenges against characters with too few appearances and backs down when he got challenged by someone who had more appearances. How about a BZ involving preboot superman and Thor for skills?

krisblaze

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Thor's bones were healed in Thor 382, he removed his beard in Thor 386. There is too much indeterminate betwen the issues. And if his bones were broken, where is his armor? Which he was shown wearing since Avengers 277? And his brittle bones were noted in Avengers 276. None of that was noted in WCA Annual 2.

And you're wrong, Thor grew a beard since Thor 362, not to hide his brittle bones but to hide the scars on his face.

The beard was gone in 385, first apperance after he was healed. Avengers was 1 week prior to that. 383 was a flashback and 384 was about dargo. Not indication of their passing any time.

They wouldn't need to specifically note it. He has a beard.

I never claimed that he grew the beard to hide his brittle bones? That makes no sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Thor got manhandled and where were his skills?
Manhandled? get off the phucking lowball.

Thor had Simon on his back, Simon punched him twice and sent him down the hill. Thor stood up immediately and lightning'ed him no expression

Every incident of Thor using other means than hand 2 hand is not a direct proof of him not having hand 2 hand skills... I'll call in a mod or take you to BZ with that poisonous line of reasoning.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what we say ragdolling.
You were implying that they weren't strong before Strange somehow dominated them physically. He and Thor worked together to trick him. Thor even says
"I pray Strange remembers this move..."
Originally posted by abhilegend
I forgot the skills of Thor where he was around someone's neck while Ulik was attacking it.
This is a lie.

Ulik specifically mentions that Thor saves him.
Fighting for the safety of Ulik...

Originally posted by abhilegend
He is flat out beating the shit out of someone stronger and faster than him by a huge margin? Without being touched once?
How do we know that Wraith was stronger once he lost his other powers?

I'm not impressed by Wraith punching into Superman's cape and not being able to free himself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, DCnU Superman has like 100 comics. Thor has close to 2000 issues. Just an unfair amount of issue gap. But its like talking to rage, he always goes around to make challenges against characters with too few appearances and backs down when he got challenged by someone who had more appearances. How about a BZ involving preboot superman and Thor for skills?

So DCNU has much higher consistency then, and has the benefit of being DC's flagship character. And you try to pull this appearance bullshit. Thor uses a hammer in combat. Obviously he's not going to flip around his opponent and hit their pressure points. That doesn't mean he's not skilled, it means that he uses a different fighting style than ****ing flying Superman and Bruce Lee. How many appearances do you think Thor that can respond to your specific demands? Where he's unarmed and fighting someone more powerful than him.

I'm trying to get you to stop this phucking toxic debating-style you've got going here.

High-school shit where you deny everything and concede nothing, even though things are clearly stated on panel. You didn't come here to find common ground or have an open debate. You started this thread with a clear purpose in mind, right after DCNU Superman had his first 'skill' showing without any intention of actually listening to the opposition.

Nevermind the fact that we both came to the same conclusion here. You made this thread purely to try and deny whatever skill advantage you knew people perceived Thor to have over DCNU. You came in here with an agenda, and that agenda was not a fair and open debate. You came in here to lowball and deny feats, while desperately clinging on to this week's Superman showing.

I won't take preboot Superman vs Thor in unarmed skill, because I think preboot Superman is more skilled than Thor in unarmed combat.

But I'll take preboot Superman vs Thor in a fight.

I'll even take DCNU Superman vs Thor.

Or the original challenge, DCNU Superman vs Thor in unarmed skill.

The ball is in your court, step up to the battlezone or step the phuck down like the craven little child we all know you are.

riv6672

KRISBLAZE:
Look at abhi's initial responses. I read them yesterday and its obvious he didnt want a debate.
He already had a clear answer in mind. This was just an opportunity for him to talk up his pet hero by bashing Thor.
The sheer amount of times he's done this is evidence of pathological, obsessive, behavior.

-shrug-

abhilegend

Originally posted by krisblaze
The beard was gone in 385, first apperance after he was healed. Avengers was 1 week prior to that. 383 was a flashback and 384 was about dargo. Not indication of their passing any time. And he had the beard in 386 which was shaved by a troll. Go figure.

That could mean anytime from Thor 362 to Thor 374.

What the? Then why mention the beard? It had nothing to do with the brittle bones, the armor was an indication of that.

Thor's full power divebomb didn't even took off simon off his feet. Who then quite literally goes on to manhandle Thor untill he falls back to mjonir.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3508/thor212az0fa.jpg

And who overpowered Thor from a lying position.

erm

Eh, its just a reminder that Thor has difficulty taking down even people as strong as himself. Nevermind stronger.
Which he did. But carry on.

Nope.

After that. Because Ulik was depowered as well. But clinging from the neck is a show of skill too?

Because Superman explicitly states that Wraith only lost his exotic powers.

Seriously? Because you might've forgot Superman beating the shit out of him at that point.

He has jobbed to look other characters look god for over a year now. And that doesn't means he has to fight like an idiot 99% of the time. Like 90% of his fights with hulk? You can go to ODG's respect thread and find out how many times he isn't using his hammer?

Really?

Not really. I have done this exact thread on herochat six months ago.

Quite a conspiracy theorist, aren't you?

eek!

First Thor fan to admit that. You got balls, I'll give you that.

In a BZ? I am busy over next two-three weeks. But after that, sure.

Superman doesn't has enough appearances right now.

Slow down there quanchi-lite.

erm

quanchi112

I am calling that Abhilegend will back down like he did against my Earth 22 Superman battlezone. He said he would and then weasel end his way out of it. So he will accept but won't ever follow through which is the worst kind of backdown.

krisblaze

Right, I didn't count 385 as a flashback-issue.

Regardless, Avengers came out before he was healed.

Thor's showed great skill in some of his hammerless Hulk battles.

Superman claims it's a fair fight. So we assume it's fair, and that they're equal.

Not enough appearances? You seem fully convinced. Why wouldn't the things that have convinced you, convince others?

2 weeks then. I'll gather the judges.

riv6672

Might actually follow this one if it happens.

pym-ftw

So does the board reset after awhile to a default Superman > Thor physically? I mean i did prove Thor to be magnitudes Stronger and god forbid someone say the Gorr feat was a strength feat for Gorr because that automatically becomes a durability feat. I mean we could argue the brainiac ship but it kinda seems to be missing context for alot of people so I'll spell it out: Ships are Hollow and planets aren't infact planets are Super Dense.

I'm sure this post will be skimmed over and forgotten but honestly Nerfing Superman's speed puts him at a distinct disadvantage vs most HH and this is no different.

Thor wins

riv6672

krisblaze

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So does the board reset after awhile to a default Superman > Thor physically?
Seems like it, but it's not something I mind. I believe Superman to be stronger, just not a better fighter.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I'm sure this post will be skimmed over and forgotten but honestly Nerfing Superman's speed puts him at a distinct disadvantage vs most HH and this is no different.

Thor wins
I agree, but this isn't a regular fight versus Thor with equalized speed.

It's purely hand to hand.

DarkSaint85

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah, this particular post will be ignored...

What post?

riv6672

I dunno, some post of yours that asked pertinent questions and brought up good points....hard to remember.

DARTH POWER

Originally posted by krisblaze
Seems like it, but it's not something I mind. I believe Superman to be stronger,

Yes I would also say Superman is stronger. Even though Thor is crazy stupid strong, Superman is even crazier, stupider, stronger. And obviously Superman is a lot faster.

All that being said I don't think Superman is more powerful than Thor. And would hate to think that these boards always switch back to the default setting of Superman > Thor.

celeyhyga17

pym-ftw

Based on what feats would you give Dcnu Superman "the edge?"

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Based on what feats would you give Dcnu Superman "the edge?"
Bench virtual earth weight for 5 days and helping to prevent Brainy's ship from crushing earth.

carver9

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Bench virtual earth weight for 5 days and helping to prevent Brainy's ship from crushing earth.

Would you put Manhunter above him as well?

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by carver9
Would you put Manhunter above him as well?
Heck no

pym-ftw

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Bench virtual earth weight for 5 days and helping to prevent Brainy's ship from crushing earth. planet destruction is on a far higher level than lifting. I covered the brainiac ship in my original post.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by pym-ftw
planet destruction is on a far higher level than lifting. I covered the brainiac ship in my original post.
You may be right, but that ship was gigantic. It was a few dozen times the size of earth.

abhilegend

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So does the board reset after awhile to a default Superman > Thor physically? I mean i did prove Thor to be magnitudes Stronger and god forbid someone say the Gorr feat was a strength feat for Gorr because that automatically becomes a durability feat. I mean we could argue the brainiac ship but it kinda seems to be missing context for alot of people so I'll spell it out: Ships are Hollow and planets aren't infact planets are Super Dense.

I'm sure this post will be skimmed over and forgotten but honestly Nerfing Superman's speed puts him at a distinct disadvantage vs most HH and this is no different.

Thor wins
WTF? When did you prove anything? Don't tell me you did that on NASA reports. Because that would be frankly idiotic. I mean I like real life physics, but I doubt the writer had that in mind when he wrote that Gorr fight.

And had Thor struggling to put a part of moon in its place the very next page.

Yeah, who the **** said the ship was hollow? And DCnU Superman isn't stronger just on the basis of lifting feats. He is stronger due to ripping off an above top tier in Doomsday in half.Originally posted by krisblaze
Right, I didn't count 385 as a flashback-issue.

Regardless, Avengers came out before he was healed.

Thor's showed great skill in some of his hammerless Hulk battles.

Superman claims it's a fair fight. So we assume it's fair, and that they're equal.

Not enough appearances? You seem fully convinced. Why wouldn't the things that have convinced you, convince others?

2 weeks then. I'll gather the judges.
No, that wasn't a flashback issue. Thor 383 was a flashback issue.

You've got no proof of that at all. Baed on him wearing no armor I say that this came after the healing.

Fair in no way means they are equal. How the **** did you reached at that conclusion when Superman explicitly stated that only his exotic powers are neutralized.

Just the appearances aren't enough for a BZ.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
planet destruction is on a far higher level than lifting. I covered the brainiac ship in my original post.

Based on NASA? You are pretty desperate now it seems. But hey, I can make a list out of characters who have destroyed a planet. Show me a character lifting up a planet's mass though. No silly RL physics applying. Simple comic scans.

abhilegend

Originally posted by pym-ftw
planet destruction is on a far higher level than lifting. I covered the brainiac ship in my original post.
By assuming it was hollow and having no clue how heavy it was? Just that it must've been hollow and stuff because it has to be?

abhilegend

And I got a question for you Pym. How strong would you say classic drax is based on these scans?

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079680_captainmarvel_42_13.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079689_CaptainMarvel_43_02.JPG http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079690_CaptainMarvel_43_03.JPG

Drax destroyed two planets in a single punch and ripped apart a star in half. Please provide numbers for those from NASA.

pym-ftw

I see abhi has blown a gasket
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You may be right, but that ship was gigantic. It was a few dozen times the size of earth. I'm sure it's probably. +Earth weight but again its like comparing a dodgeball to a ball bearing.

Edit.
My morbid curiosity got the better of me, Abhi are you honestly suggesting Logic should be thrown out because it doesn't fit your preconceptions? As far as Drax goes, he was originally written to be a threat to Thanos, after they decided to tone him down later he obviously isn't at that level anymore.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I see abhi has blown a gasket
I'm sure it's probably. +Earth weight but again its like comparing a dodgeball to a ball bearing.

Edit.
My morbid curiosity got the better of me, Abhi are you honestly suggesting Logic should be thrown out because it doesn't fit your preconceptions? As far as Drax goes, he was originally written to be a threat to Thanos, after they decided to tone him down later he obviously isn't at that level anymore.
thumb up

That was a high end feat too. Classic Drax doesnt go around bitchslapping planets into oblivion.

abhilegend

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I see abhi has blown a gasket
I'm sure it's probably. +Earth weight but again its like comparing a dodgeball to a ball bearing.

As far as Drax goes, he was originally written to be a threat to Thanos, after they decided to tone him down later he obviously isn't at that level anymore.
No, I just laughed at your applying of RL physics as they have anything to do with the comics.

And in the very same comic, Mar-Vell knocked him out.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079700_CaptainMarvel_43_09.JPG http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079705_CaptainMarvel_43_10.JPG http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079710_CaptainMarvel_43_11.JPG http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14079715_CaptainMarvel_43_12.JPG

You can't even say that the writer forgot about the feat. It literally happened some pages later.

erm

And even from the start Drax was nowhere near a top tier. He conceded She-hulk was stronger than him FFS.

No, what I'm saying that using RL physics in comics is stupid. Unless there is some correlation between destroying a planet and lifting a planet, you can't pick one as better just because NASA says so. These kind of feats are stupid to use as measuring stick of strength.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18769696/7742588.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18769697/4924774.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18769698/374457.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18769699/9946430.jpg.html

That is however, beyond Thor's paygrade. Because we actually know how strong Doomsday was to other top tiers.

Insane Titan

Hahaha Meltdown.

abhilegend

Coming from you? Hilarious.

Insane Titan

Originally posted by abhilegend
Coming from you? Hilarious. yeah coming from me, come back to me when I go to the desperate lengths you go to constantly.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by abhilegend
When has Thor beaten such an opponent as Wraith?
Forgotten One(Gilgamesh) was the mightiest of the Eternals barring the Prime Eternal(Zuras) during this time. He was also massively amped by the commander of the 4th Celestial Host(One Above All).
"Made me FAR MIGHTIER even than before".

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_11_zpseede7d18.jpg

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_12_zpsc654924b.jpg

When they fought Thor 3 pieced him not with Mjolnir in hand, but with his Asgardian fists at the end of the fight.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_288_13_zps19fa137f.jpg

quanchi112

Originally posted by abhilegend
Coming from you? Hilarious. Originally posted by Insane Titan
yeah coming from me, come back to me when I go to the desperate lengths you go to constantly.

laughing out loud

Golgo13

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think Pre FP Superman edges Thor in strength. Clark's not a tier above in strength though like some may believe. New 52 looks like he may edge him too.

thumb up

Igniz

Thor wins.DCNU Superman is still fairly new.Thor being powerless(confirmed in the Official Index of the Marvel Universe Thor) defeated Grog the God Crusher.Gave Loki and Fenris a manhandling despite not having Mjolnir.And Loki and Fenris were armed with Mjolnir copies in that fight.And Thor still defeated them.Thor was also ordered by Odin to fight for a year without any weapons whatsoever according to Breaking into comics the Marvel way.Thor being a mortal also defeated a grizzly bear.

Golgo13

Igniz

Originally posted by Golgo13
For a fairly new character, he's already surpassed PF Superman in strength,

Strength isn't the be all end all of winning fights.A strong man capable of bench pressing 500 pounds would still get tenderized by a well trained skilled boxer.

Golgo13

Originally posted by Igniz
Strength isn't the be all end all of winning fights.A strong man capable of bench pressing 500 pounds would still get tenderized by a well trained skilled boxer.

He has some incredible speed feats as well. And Superdoom. wink

Igniz

Originally posted by Golgo13
He has some incredible speed feats as well. And Superdoom. wink

Speed is equalized according to stips

Golgo13

Superdoom still wins, if we're using current portrayals.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yeah coming from me, come back to me when I go to the desperate lengths you go to constantly.
Yeah, coming from the guy who is angry 24x7 its hilarious.Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Forgotten One(Gilgamesh) was the mightiest of the Eternals barring the Prime Eternal(Zuras) during this time. He was also massively amped by the commander of the 4th Celestial Host(One Above All).
"Made me FAR MIGHTIER even than before".

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_11_zpseede7d18.jpg

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_12_zpsc654924b.jpg

When they fought Thor 3 pieced him not with Mjolnir in hand, but with his Asgardian fists at the end of the fight.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_288_13_zps19fa137f.jpg
We'll forget that Thor was fighting Hero for an extended fight and Hero admitted that Thor was at least his equal in power/strength?

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060330_ThorvsForgottenOne01287.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060331_ThorvsForgottenOne02.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060332_ThorvsForgottenOne03.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060333_ThorvsForgottenOne04.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060334_ThorvsForgottenOne05.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060335_ThorvsForgottenOne06.jpg

Thor was refreshed by Celestial Mothership's electromagnetic discharge while hero was still affected by Thor's attacks. Before that Hero was matching Thor just fine. Context celey, context.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Igniz
Thor wins.DCNU Superman is still fairly new.Thor being powerless(confirmed in the Official Index of the Marvel Universe Thor) defeated Grog the God Crusher.Gave Loki and Fenris a manhandling despite not having Mjolnir.And Loki and Fenris were armed with Mjolnir copies in that fight.And Thor still defeated them.Thor was also ordered by Odin to fight for a year without any weapons whatsoever according to Breaking into comics the Marvel way.Thor being a mortal also defeated a grizzly bear.
Handbooks are not the proof of anything if the on panel proof contradicts it. And Thor 397 made it clear that Thor still had half of his strength.

Both Loki and Fenris were weaker than Thor in strength. BRB turned Fenris into skeleton with three attacks. Under the same writer Hercules got upper hand on Thor.

What does fighting inferiors for an year has to do with skills? Thor was the strongest being in Asgard except odin.

All this and Thor fans have yet to show anything like the wraith fight. If Thor is so skilled, he must have one fight in sixty years where he beat someone stronger than him, right? Or like this.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060381_2805883-action_16_thegroup_007.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060382_2805884-action_16_thegroup_008.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060383_2805885-action_16_thegroup_009.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060384_2805886-action_16_thegroup_010.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060385_2805887-action_16_thegroup_011.jpg

Superman pretty much shrugged off a punch that sent him from mars to earth and then beat the shit out of Xa-du, a kryptonian using his boxing skills. When right before that he was fighting multitude. And got weakened by kryptonite.

Insane Titan

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, coming from the guy who is angry 24x7 its hilarious.
We'll forget that Thor was fighting Hero for an extended fight and Hero admitted that Thor was at least his equal in power/strength?

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060330_ThorvsForgottenOne01287.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060331_ThorvsForgottenOne02.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060332_ThorvsForgottenOne03.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060333_ThorvsForgottenOne04.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060334_ThorvsForgottenOne05.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060335_ThorvsForgottenOne06.jpg

Thor was refreshed by Celestial Mothership's electromagnetic discharge while hero was still affected by Thor's attacks. Before that Hero was matching Thor just fine. Context celey, context.

Thor is a monster. He defeated a super human that was also powered by a Celestial. Then this guy ran through the Eternals (what fts does Doomsday have?). Thanks for the scans ABHI. Good showing for Thor.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Insane Titan
angry? Is called intolerance to hypocrites.
laughing out loud

You actually believe that?

Originally posted by carver9
Thor is a monster. He defeated a super human that was also powered by a Celestial. Then this guy ran through the Eternals (what fts does Doomsday have?). Thanks for the scans ABHI. Good showing for Thor.
GTFO already. Gilgamesh was powered up to Thor level only as he himself admits that. And he beat fodder Eternals.

Breaking wonder woman's arms with a single punch isn't enough for you? Breaking phantom zone, beating the shit out of Mongul and Non together (who you said that matched amped Superman and Batman), killing dozens of kryptonians etc......

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

You actually believe that?

GTFO already. Gilgamesh was powered up to Thor level only as he himself admits that. And he beat fodder Eternals.

Breaking wonder woman's arms with a single punch isn't enough for you? Breaking phantom zone, beating the shit out of Mongul and Non together (who you said that matched amped Superman and Batman), killing dozens of kryptonians etc......

Of course he would say that since Thor challenged him.

Breaking WW arms is one of his best fts and it's a hell of a punching power ft at that.

When did he take down Mongul? I remember them being in the Phantom zone but I don't remember Mongul losing. Hell, wasn't Mongul controlling the Zone? Could be wrong. Do you have scans of Mongul defeat? If so, I will concede.

When did he kill a dozen powered Krypronian? Hell, Zod defeated him without being powered by yellow sunlight. Do you ha e scans?

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, coming from the guy who is angry 24x7 its hilarious.
We'll forget that Thor was fighting Hero for an extended fight and Hero admitted that Thor was at least his equal in power/strength?

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060330_ThorvsForgottenOne01287.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060331_ThorvsForgottenOne02.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060332_ThorvsForgottenOne03.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060333_ThorvsForgottenOne04.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060334_ThorvsForgottenOne05.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060335_ThorvsForgottenOne06.jpg

Thor was refreshed by Celestial Mothership's electromagnetic discharge while hero was still affected by Thor's attacks. Before that Hero was matching Thor just fine. Context celey, context.
Why would I post the whole fight? It's in the respect thread. Unlike some others, I'm not one to mislead people.
And why do you think I specifically said "at the end of the fight"?

You're the one who brought up the Wraith fight. Do you want me explain context there too?

Forgotten One was already a peer in strength and durability before his celestial amp.

For all intents and purposes this is a great example to answer your question.

Smh...

quanchi112

Originally posted by Golgo13
Superdoom still wins, if we're using current portrayals. We don't use newer versions unless specified. Don't you dare try this here but cry when someone mentions Death seed Sentry. Double standards 101.

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
Of course he would say that since Thor challenged him.

Breaking WW arms is one of his best fts and it's a hell of a punching power ft at that.

When did he take down Mongul? I remember them being in the Phantom zone but I don't remember Mongul losing. Hell, wasn't Mongul controlling the Zone? Could be wrong. Do you have scans of Mongul defeat? If so, I will concede.

When did he kill a dozen powered Krypronian? Hell, Zod defeated him without being powered by yellow sunlight. Do you ha e scans?
What? How did that even made sense? Hero was upgraded to Thor level strength. That's it.

So yeah, he is above top tier in strength. Do you agree?

In the same page where Batman found mongul. Doomsday beat the shit out of Mongul and Non together off panel.

Doomsday literally killed everyone in Phantom Zone save Mongul, Zod, Faora and Non. It was littered in corpses and skulls and there were at least two dozen kryptonians in the zone before that. Go read Batman/Superman 11.Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would I post the whole fight? It's in the respect thread. Unlike some others, I'm not one to mislead people.
And why do you think I specifically said "at the end of the fight"?

You're the one who brought up the Wraith fight. Do you want me explain context there too?

Forgotten One was already a peer in strength and durability before his celestial amp.

For all intents and purposes this is a great example to answer your question.

Smh...
Of course you misled. you said Thor finished Hero in three punches when the fight was a lot longer than that.

Please do enlighten me about the context about the wraith fight.

No, he wasn't. Forgotten One was trapped in Sue's bubble where Thor was able to advance through it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/EasilyWithGigalmesh1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/EasilyWithGigalmesh2.jpg

He is more like Wonder Man level than Thor level in strength.

It isn't. Thor beating an equal in strength after a prolonged battle is a measure of skill?

smh.

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
What? How did that even made sense? Hero was upgraded to Thor level strength. That's it.

So yeah, he is above top tier in strength. Do you agree?

In the same page where Batman found mongul. Doomsday beat the shit out of Mongul and Non together off panel.

Doomsday literally killed everyone in Phantom Zone save Mongul, Zod, Faora and Non. It was littered in corpses and skulls and there were at least two dozen kryptonians in the zone before that. Go read Batman/Superman 11.
Of course you misled. you said Thor finished Hero in three punches when the fight was a lot longer than that.

Please do enlighten me about the context about the wraith fight.

No, he wasn't. Forgotten One was trapped in Sue's bubble where Thor was able to advance through it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/EasilyWithGigalmesh1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/EasilyWithGigalmesh2.jpg

He is more like Wonder Man level than Thor level in strength.

It isn't. Thor beating an equal in strength after a prolonged battle is a measure of skill?

smh.

WITH celestial power?

Wonder Woman had him dead to rights in their second fight with him coughing up mucus. She could have ended it and had confidence in her abilities to do it, but, busting her arms like that does show he had high Herald strength. I wouldn't argue Zod having trans tier strength by breaking Superman jaw or Wraith having trans tier strength by throwing Superman against mountains cracking his ribs.

About to read Superman/Batman. I will get back to you on this one. Didn't WW beat one of those Kryptonians with ease iirc? I thought they were powerless in the zone?

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
WITH celestial power? Yes, with celestial power upgrade which increased his strength to Thor level which he wasn't before that fight. You are taking it as if he had the power of a celestial.

Haha, what? He was stabbed and healed up in seconds, slagging her sword like nothing. How the **** did you reach that conclusion that she could've taken and defeated doomsday? Besides your superman hate that is. There wasn't even a hint that she could've taken a single hit from him and he literally WTFstomped her in the previous fight. He slagged her best weapon and her strength is negligible to him. How would she have beaten him carter? Well, Zod suckerpunched Superman. And Wraith is automatically trans tier by being Superman's superior in every area.

They are powerless in open world immediately after leaving the zone. In zone the same kryptonians beat the shit out of Phantom Stranger and held him captive there.

Igniz

Originally posted by abhilegend
Handbooks are not the proof of anything if the on panel proof contradicts it. And Thor 397 made it clear that Thor still had half of his strength.

The Official Index Of the Marvel Universe Thor is more than just a handbook.It confirmed stories like Thor Vikings and Thor truth of history being canonical.While some of the one shot Thor stories were confirmed non canonical because it happened in a different Ragnarok Cycle.Even Thor's appearance in Venus#12 is confirmed canonical.Even the Demiurge scene in Thor annual#10 is confirmed still canonical.And if your talking about the half strength scene, that happened in Thor#398 were Loki powered up Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Both Loki and Fenris were weaker than Thor in strength. BRB turned Fenris into skeleton with three attacks. Under the same writer Hercules got upper hand on Thor.

They were still armed with Mjolnir copies.And those hammers were capable of matching the real Mjolnir.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/Craftsmanship/ThorV2080-08.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/Craftsmanship/ThorV2080-15.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/Craftsmanship/ThorV2080-16.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/Craftsmanship/ThorV2080-17.jpg

And BRB used Stormbreaker to kill Fenris Wolf.Thor didn't use Mjolnir when he took on both Loki and Fenris Wolf.

Originally posted by ODG
Thor vs Loki & Fenris, from Thor vol. 2 #81:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsLoki43v281.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsLoki44.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsLoki45.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsLoki46.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsLoki47.jpg

Imagine being ganged up by 2 guys with hammers.And Fenris Wolf is a class 100 in strength.So Fenris Wolf isn't weaker than Thor.The original Norse Myth stated that Fenris Wolf would be bind by an unbreakable chain.But at the day of Ragnarok, Fenris Wolf finally breaks the chain.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What does fighting inferiors for an year has to do with skills? Thor was the strongest being in Asgard except odin.

Are you serious with this?Thor had to fight for a year without weapons.That means he'll take on Mages,Giants,Dark Elves,Fire Demons, and etc.Even if Thor has his strength, those races that I mentioned still has the advantage of having weapons and natural powers.Ice Giants for example are bigger,stronger(class 100 because they were stated to be more related to Ymir) and possess the ability to generate cold compared to their inferiors the Frost Giants.Fire Demons in large numbers are capable of overwhelming herald level beings like Beta Ray Bill.Imagine taking on Dark Elves without using Iron in the battlefield.Mages has the advantage of magic.I haven,t gotten to the sword,spears,bow and arrows and etc.Those weapons are still capable of hurting or killing Thor.Imagine sending someone to war but barring him from using guns or weapons of any kind for an entire year.Do you think anyone would agree to that knowing your enemy has guns and you don't?And I would probably tell the guy who told me to fight for a year without weapons "PHUCK YOU!" since I know I'm not that skilled.

Originally posted by abhilegend
All this and Thor fans have yet to show anything like the wraith fight. If Thor is so skilled, he must have one fight in sixty years where he beat someone stronger than him, right? Or like this.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060381_2805883-action_16_thegroup_007.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060382_2805884-action_16_thegroup_008.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060383_2805885-action_16_thegroup_009.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060384_2805886-action_16_thegroup_010.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/20060385_2805887-action_16_thegroup_011.jpg

Superman pretty much shrugged off a punch that sent him from mars to earth and then beat the shit out of Xa-du, a kryptonian using his boxing skills. When right before that he was fighting multitude. And got weakened by kryptonite.

Impressive.But

In mortal form, Thor wrestles and defeats nearly a dozen men.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/StrongerthanDozen1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/StrongerthanDozen2.jpg

If you think that was impressive, here Thor takes on and out wrestles a Grizzly Bear when stripped of his powers and having his soul placed in a human form.

http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsBear1.jpg.html
http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsBear2.jpg.html

Without powers, Thor is able to keep up with Captain America -even saves his life- as they take on the troops of the Zodiac.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors4.jpg

The ones I gave is Thor being powerless and shows his skill.You can argue strength all you want.But again, its not the be all end all of winning fights.A man skilled in fighting can beat a less skilled stronger man.So Thor's skill>>>DCNU Superman's strength.

Eixuheus

Wow...that list of Thor's feats are just ....sad

Igniz

Originally posted by Eixuheus
Wow...that list of Thor's feats are just ....sad

?

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by abhilegend
What? How did that even made sense? Hero was upgraded to Thor level strength. That's it.
Get the heck outta here.. The character has always been considered high tier strength. At the time he was the strongest of the Eternals. He also was compared to Hercules and stated to perform feats like holding up the earth...
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr06/23/14/enhanced-buzz-7284-1390505840-22.jpg

"Made me far mightier than before".
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_12_zpsc654924b.jpg

He even one-shots a small army of Eternals which included Ikaris. "The strongest of Eternals has been reborn stronger..."
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_13-14_horz_zpse183202e.jpg

Nice of you to ignore what's on panel.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Please do enlighten me about the context about
the wraith fight.
Like you said in the Thor fight, it was also prolonged and it was also towards the end that we see Clark utilizing the kryptonite type ring on Wraith. Plus we know he's had it on his person all along. Still he did beat Wraith in the end on more even terms using trickery. That's why Thor's fight is a perfect parallel. Yes Thor was reinvigorated with electricity along the way , but it was a prolonged fight against a seemingly more powerful character. In the end Thor defeated Forgotten One towards the end with his bare hands.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, he wasn't. Forgotten One was trapped in Sue's bubble where Thor was able to advance through it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/EasilyWithGigalmesh1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/EasilyWithGigalmesh2.jpg

That's all well and good, but he's always been compared to the likes of Hercules. One scene doesn't all of a sudden make him chopped liver.

Originally posted by abhilegend

He is more like Wonder Man level than Thor level in strength.

It isn't. Thor beating an equal in strength after a prolonged battle is a measure of skill?

smh.
Lol you and your double standards.

Let's say he was Wonder Man level. Imagine Wonder Man amplified many times over with Celestial energy.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Igniz
The Official Index Of the Marvel Universe Thor is more than just a handbook. Yeah, I call bullshit on that. So? Where they ever said to be non canon in comics? It was stated in those Fraction trilogies too. Not relevant at all. That is Balder flat out saying that Thor still had half his strength. Not sure how anybody can refute that.

Your point would be? Because when Thor manhandled Loki and Fenris, they didn't land a single hit on Thor. And Thor would beat the shit out of Loki and Fenris with pure strength alone in h2h.

And after 10 or so blows, didn't KO either of them. Superman KOED someone stronger, faster and more durable than him in less attacks.

Who didn't hit you once. In his dreams maybe. Cap embarrased him in the very same arc. Who the **** cares about that? Post an actual feat from the comic.

Suuuuuuuure. Yeah completely off panel fights and skills are indicator of skills now!!! Way to go Thor!!11

Seriously? Did you even read the scans?

Not impressive enough.

That's the most overrated skills scene I've ever seen. Why is running alongside Cap and fighting along with him is a skill feat?

laughing out loud

That's just sad. Who the **** said I was talking merely strength. Superman defeating Xa-Du who was evenly matched with Superman and Wraith>>all those skills feats put together.

Deal with it.

thumb up

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by Igniz
?
He just trolling you...

abhilegend

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Get the heck outta here.. The character has always been considered high tier strength. At the time he was the strongest of the Eternals. He also was compared to Hercules and stated to perform feats like holding up the earth...
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr06/23/14/enhanced-buzz-7284-1390505840-22.jpg

"Made me far mightier than before".
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_12_zpsc654924b.jpg

He even one-shots a small army of Eternals which included Ikaris. "The strongest of Eternals has been reborn stronger..."
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_13-14_horz_zpse183202e.jpg

Nice of you to ignore what's on panel. So nothing which makes unamped Gilgamesh anywhere above Thor level. Because the same hero was stalemated by Hercules too. Just four issues later.

GTFO. Wraith was nowhere affected by kryptonite. Last time Superman used kryptonite on wraith, he beat him in one page. Superman was heavily damaged, weakened by kryptonite instead. And Thor just punched Hero to KO. No skill required to beat someone as strong as you after a long fight.

And Hercules isn't skilled enough to beat someone stronger than him too. If he has, please provide ONE example out of sixty years.

More like I know how much context Thor fans love to leave out.

Who said he was amped several times? How the **** did you reach at that conclusion?

carver9

Wow!!! Hero before receiving the amp was Hercules level. After the amp by the Celestial, that still isn't proof enough that he is above Herald level? Really ABHI?

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
Wow!!! Hero before receiving the amp was Hercules level. After the amp by the Celestial, that still isn't proof enough that he is above Herald level? Really ABHI?
Hero fought Hercules AFTER the amp. Hence four issues later.

erm

carver9

Superman took Wraith out of the fight by throwing his weakness in his mouth. Don't know why ABHI think Superman koed Wraith under his own power because he didn't.

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hero fought Hercules AFTER the amp. Hence four issues later.

erm

How did the fight go?

janus77

Originally posted by carver9
Superman took Wraith out of the fight by throwing his weakness in his mouth.
Kryptonite made Superman's dick limp?

carver9

Originally posted by janus77
Kryptonite made Superman's dick limp?

laughing out loud

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
How did the fight go? They stalemated in an off panel fight.

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
Superman took Wraith out of the fight by throwing his weakness in his mouth. Don't know why ABHI think Superman koed Wraith under his own power because he didn't.
WTF are you blabbering about? I already posted the close up of the fights and Superman never took out the ring before the last page where he had Wraith at his mercy.

But as you forgot, Superman was the one who was explicitly weakened by kryptonite. And had several of his bones broken.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987258/5879606.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987260/5671047.jpg.html

He already had two ribs broken from the throw.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987250/4657846.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987252/6971557.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987253/146559.jpg.html

So STFU about Wraith being weakened when it was just Superman's strength, skills and speed in his own words. Everytime either Superman or Wraith's kryptonite showed up it was specifically mentioned.

And Superman had beaten the shit out of Wraith before he took out the ring. Seriously at this point I'm going to report you if you keep this up.

carver9

@abhi....

Superman wasn't weakened, at all. He even states here that the only thing they have is their physical stats. A page after this, he states that the fight is even.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-10-39-24_zpsb68989e8.png.html

It's obvious the kryptonite had no affect on him anymore.

Also, lol, a punch didn't Ko him abhi. Stop seeing what you want to see.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-01-16_zps4cf95e8e.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-10-40-38_zps0a8e672b.png.html

Superman shoves Wraith kryptonite down his throat and tells him that he will be a ghost. Why will he be a ghost ABHI? Why will we not see Wraith again, ABHI? It's pretty freaking obvious...He is chewing on his weakness. Superman had nothing to do with it. Him shoving his kryptonite down his throat is the reason Wraith is out. Him dangling it in his face during the end is the reason Wraith is out. You want to yell and high light Wraith using kryptonite against Superman but when Superman pulls out the ring in Wraith face, you are denying that it had any type of effect. Are you crazy or something? Stop being a hypocrite. Superman pulled the ring out, threw the ring down Wraith throat, etc...

Superman did well against Wraith but he didn't beat him under his own power. Also, you are praising Superman beating Wraith as some type of glory showing. Why couldn't Superman bear Wraith without using the magnetic field of Earth. Why did he have to use weakness exploiting (remember, Wraith powers works effectively while being bathed in the temperature of Earth atmosphere)? Why couldn't he just beat him without resorting to messing with Wraith powers?

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
@abhi....

Superman wasn't weakened, at all. He even states here that the only thing they have is their physical stats. A page after this, he states that the fight is even.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-10-39-24_zpsb68989e8.png.html Did you just say that facing kryptonite radiation didn't weaken superman just one page later?

facepalm

It already weakened him and since he was underground he didn't recover from them. But I like how much double faced you can get to lowball superman.

He tossed the kryptonite and pushed him in ground knocking him out. What's so hard to understand about that?

facepalm

Let me do that again.

facepalm

I have never seen such an incompetent reading incomprehension.

Are you really this slow or is this another of your acts? Who the **** said it never had any effect on Wraith? It had an affect on him when Superman pulled it AFTER beating him up.

And Superman is saying that "stay here like what you are. A ghost." As far as Earth people, Wraith doesn't exist. I don't have to explain this but you are just exceptional.

STFU. The fight was pretty clear cut. One more time and i'm reporting you. Because Wraith used kryptonite, you dunderhead. Before that Superman was beating him like a red headed step child, smashing from earth to moon and back.

erm

Seriously, your butthurt is flowing from your posts. Go see a doctor.

carver9

@abhi...

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong my friend. Let's continue. The last time Superman pulled that ring out on Wraith, this happened.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-32-15_zps2508415e.png.html

Superman tells Wraith that the the ring affects him the same way Kryptonite affects Superman.

Then Superman nearly beat him in a couple of punches.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-32-18_zps9fd62cb1.png.html

You know, the same guy that is superior to him in every way. Glad you admitted the ring played it's part though. Picture it like this. Imagine someone throwing kryptonite down Superman throat or waving kryptonite around Superman while fighting someone that is either your equal, or extremely powerful. Would you consider that a fair fight abhi (please say yes, PLEASE SAY IT)? This fight reminds me of the fight where we had a discussion on if Superman was weakened when he faced Cap and you brought up kryptonite playing it's part. You remember that ABHI? So again we have Superman waving the ring at Wraith during their last fight (just like he did in their first fight). We then have confirmation that the ring is like Kryptonite to Wraith which weakens him. How do we know it weakens him? 1. Superman outright mud stomped him the first time he used it with a couple of punches. Superman admits (while the ring is on his hand like it was during their last fight) that it affects Wraith the same way green kryptonite affects him. 2. Then Superman not only waves it in his face (which again, with my scan above, that's proof of Wraith being weakened with the ring even being out around him) but he throws it down his throat. What if Wraith threw kryptonite down Superman throat ABHI, while waving it around at him before hand. Would you consider it a legit knock out if Wraith koed Superman? Think ABHI? Also, I feel safe at saying we will not see Wraith again since he has kryptonite down his throat. We will wait and see.

DarkSaint85

Wait, wouldn't the Kryptonite weaken Superman as well as Wraith? I thought Kryptonians were weakened by K-nite?

carver9

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, wouldn't the Kryptonite weaken Superman as well as Wraith? I thought Kryptonians were weakened by K-nite?

Its a different kind of kryptonite. It isn't made from the same stuff Superman Knite is made out of. That's why it's yellow instead of green.

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
@abhi...

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong my friend. No, being carver makes you wrong. We all know that.

That too.

That's what happened here.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987258/5879606.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987260/5671047.jpg.html

Do you know how to look at scans? Superman took several punches from Wraith while he was using kryptonite radiation to weaken superman.

Superman waved it AFTER he beat the shit out of Wraith.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He took it after he had Wraith at his mercy.

Last three pages before that and he had never any ring in his hands.

http://i.imgur.com/KyHpYRu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pi6mx0C.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XZxlOMO.jpg

Its completely asinine to think Wraith's kryptonite played any part in that fight. Superman was kryptonite poisoned before that fight though.

I posted it already. Those are the screenshots of last three pages of the fight and there is no ring in superman's hands. For the last time. After this, if you ignored the proof and keep pushing your agenda here, I'll report you.

After he beat the shit out of him with no ring present. Alright. Reported. Have fun with the lowballing and ignoring proofs.

carver9

@ABHI... I think you are mixing up your arguments. No one is denying Superman didn't wail on Wraith. Read my post. What i am telling you is, Wraith was not koed under Superman own power. The ring played it's part. Yes, Superman had the advantage in that fight, no one is denying that...what YOU are failing to realize is during the end, the ring played a HUGE part. If Superman koed Wraith without the ring being present, you would have a strong argument but it didn't happen like that. Do you not understand this ABHI? What is so hard to grasp here?

DarkSaint85

WHERE'S THE RING?

DARTH POWER

Originally posted by abhilegend
Alright. Reported. Have fun with the lowballing and ignoring proofs.

laughing out loud

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing which makes unamped Gilgamesh anywhere above Thor level. Because the same hero was stalemated by Hercules too. Just four issues later.
The One Above All transported him back to Olympia and transformed him back to his old self. As he was transforming, it was described by the Eternals as "He's metamorphosing before our eyes being transformed back into that which he was when he walked among us..." Then he started to collapse.... Yeah... Pretty sure he doesn't have the Celestial's "favor" any longer. sad

Originally posted by abhilegend

GTFO. Wraith was nowhere affected by kryptonite. Last time Superman used kryptonite on wraith, he beat him in one page. Superman was heavily damaged, weakened by kryptonite instead. And Thor just punched Hero to KO. No skill required to beat someone as strong as you after a long fight.
And yet we know Clark had the ring in his person the whole time.
Yes we know he was briefly blasted by Wraith's kryptonite radioactivity simulation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Hercules isn't skilled enough to beat someone stronger than him too. If he has, please provide ONE example out of sixty years. Irrelevant.

Originally posted by abhilegend

More like I know how much context Thor fans love to leave out.Smh. You are one to talk.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Who said he was amped several times? How the **** did you reach at that conclusion? In the end he was still made far mightier than before.

But yeah...