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Ive been debating this one with a friend for the evening, I say Batman would win. And before all you Cap fanboys jump on here, representing your cap denominator let me just point out; Bats vs Cap can really be distilled down to three categories: Physicality, Fighting Skill, Gadgets; Cap wins Physicality for sure, he can bench 1200, Bats can press 1000; Cap is faster and more durable BUT Batman has more fighting skill; Cap knows about 12 martial arts while Batman has mastered 127, meaning that anything Cap can throw at Batman h2h will be countered. gadgets is also a no brainer for Batman because while Caps shield is very durable and quite versatile he doesnt have explosives, gas attack, projectiles, tazers etc like Batman does, more versatility in weaponry equals Batman finding a way around the shields defence. 2 out of 3 categories go to Batman. Its a helluva fight but Batman wins 6/10

I would go for comics Batman over Captain America.

But this is the Movie Versus. Every film version of Batman would lose.

Originally posted by Placidity
Every film version of Batman would lose.

Until the Batman v Superman movie get released and what it has to offer for Bat's

for now Capt wins.

BUT BATS WILL HAVE HIS REVENGE!

Cap would kick Batmans ass. All film versions.

Animated Conroy Batman? I don't know. That's a tough call.

Caps beats Baleman 10/10

another bait thread, won;t play into assholishniss...

anyway animated batman stomps , but movie batman loses

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
another bait thread, won;t play into assholishniss...

anyway animated batman stomps , but movie batman loses This.

batman is no way shape or form beats cap... standard equipment cap rapes batman with the shield...

without weapons cap breaks batman's back... batman is human is isn't taking high level punishment like cap can period

Originally posted by Silent Master
Caps beats Baleman 10/10

You don't say, more like 1/10.

Cap beats him once, then Bat preps and beats Cap the other 9 times

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You don't say, more like 1/10.

Cap beats him once, then Bat preps and beats Cap the other 9 times

why is prep needed between two mortal's with no powers...

Because... he's Batman...that's how he rolls.

Per the OP, there is no prep in this fight.....thus Cap beats Baleman 10/10.

Movie Batman didn't show much if at all prep skills. The movies were too focused on action to showcase any of the dedication and time it takes for prep.

So even if he did have time...would it really matter?

Originally posted by KingD19
Movie Batman didn't show much if at all prep skills. The movies were too focused on action to showcase any of the dedication and time it takes for prep.

So even if he did have time...would it really matter?

Hell ya it would, plus look at all his gear and weapons.

His gear and weapons would help, well that depends on what he's allowed(but Cap did take down a Quinjet with just his shield). But as I said, he's shown pretty much no prep skills unless I'm missing something. For instance, comic Batman would have saved Rachel and Harvey.

Originally posted by Placidity
Every film version of Batman would lose.

Originally posted by Impediment
Cap would kick Batmans ass. All film versions.


Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
movie batman loses

While it almost goes with out saying that Captain America of the MCU would crush Nolan Batman.

Burton/Schumacher, Anthology Batman if you will. Stands a fair chance against him.

Not saying said version of Batman could beat MCU Cap per se. Just that it would be a good fight.

It would so not be a good fight. Cap would dominate Bat in every way.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
It would so not be a good fight. Cap would dominate Bat in every way.

How is that? From what I recall they have similar enough feats, that their is no reason to assume it would not be a good fight.

In case their is something I have forgotten. Please feel free to present a case for Cap dominating Bats.

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
How is that? From what I recall they have similar enough feats, that their is no reason to assume it would not be a good fight.

In case their is something I have forgotten. Please feel free to present a case for Cap dominating Bats. Every physical stat, tactics, and a better H2H combatant. Movie Batman is not as good as you think.

Animated Batman is a different story though.

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
How is that? From what I recall they have similar enough feats, that their is no reason to assume it would not be a good fight.

In case their is something I have forgotten. Please feel free to present a case for Cap dominating Bats.


Then you need to rewatch the movies, because Caps feats >>>>>> Baleman.

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
How is that? From what I recall they have similar enough feats, that their is no reason to assume it would not be a good fight.

In case their is something I have forgotten. Please feel free to present a case for Cap dominating Bats.


you've made me curious....why do you think that specific era batman stands a chance? what feats are you thinking of?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then you need to rewatch the movies, because Caps feats >>>>>> Baleman.

Actually I think you need to reread my post. As I never suggested Baleman stood a chance in fact I said the opposite, that he would get crushed.

The Batman I said would be a good match for MCU Cap was the one from the Burton/Schumacher films. Some times known as the Batman Anthology.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then you need to rewatch the movies, because Caps feats >>>>>> Baleman.

Sorry, come back when you have some money

Batman wins dummy.

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Actually I think you need to reread my post. As I never suggested Baleman stood a chance in fact I said the opposite, that he would get crushed.

The Batman I said would be a good match for MCU Cap was the one from the Burton/Schumacher films. Some times known as the Batman Anthology.


tho you have yet to state why you think that

Wasn't Burton's Batman getting rocked by a normal human goon in the 1st film?

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Wasn't Burton's Batman getting rocked by a normal human goon in the 1st film?

I'm guessing you mean Joker's big guy in the Cathedral fight. If so a couple of things to remember this fight takes place just after Batman was in a plane crash and fought a few other guys and secondly this same "normal" human was able to catch Batman mid air and toss him across the room, when Bat's tried to dive tackle him from several feet above. In other words the guy wasn't exactly normal and Batman wasn't exactly at his best.

Originally posted by relentless1
Ive been debating this one with a friend for the evening, I say Batman would win. And before all you Cap fanboys jump on here, representing your cap denominator let me just point out; Bats vs Cap can really be distilled down to three categories: Physicality, Fighting Skill, Gadgets; Cap wins Physicality for sure, he can bench 1200, Bats can press 1000; Cap is faster and more durable BUT Batman has more fighting skill; Cap knows about 12 martial arts while Batman has mastered 127, meaning that anything Cap can throw at Batman h2h will be countered. gadgets is also a no brainer for Batman because while Caps shield is very durable and quite versatile he doesnt have explosives, gas attack, projectiles, tazers etc like Batman does, more versatility in weaponry equals Batman finding a way around the shields defence. 2 out of 3 categories go to Batman. Its a helluva fight but Batman wins 6/10

lol

So basically; Cap is stronger, faster, more agile has better durability and is more skilled.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So basically; Cap is stronger, faster, more agile has better durability and is more skilled.

Read OP, again, or if you didn't read it, read OP.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Read OP, again, or if you didn't read it, read OP.

wat

Originally posted by Silent Master
So basically; Cap is stronger, faster, more agile has better durability and is more skilled.

As already discussed that depends on which Batman and which Captain America.

Originally posted by Based
wat

Originally posted by relentless1
Ive been debating this one with a friend for the evening, I say Batman would win. And before all you Cap fanboys jump on here, representing your cap denominator let me just point out; Bats vs Cap can really be distilled down to three categories: Physicality, Fighting Skill, Gadgets; Cap wins Physicality for sure, he can bench 1200, Bats can press 1000; Cap is faster and more durable BUT Batman has more fighting skill; Cap knows about 12 martial arts while Batman has mastered 127, meaning that anything Cap can throw at Batman h2h will be countered. gadgets is also a no brainer for Batman because while Caps shield is very durable and quite versatile he doesnt have explosives, gas attack, projectiles, tazers etc like Batman does, more versatility in weaponry equals Batman finding a way around the shields defence. 2 out of 3 categories go to Batman. Its a helluva fight but Batman wins 6/10

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
I'm guessing you mean Joker's big guy in the Cathedral fight. If so a couple of things to remember this fight takes place just after Batman was in a plane crash and fought a few other guys and secondly this same "normal" human was able to catch Batman mid air and toss him across the room, when Bat's tried to dive tackle him from several feet above. In other words the guy wasn't exactly normal and Batman wasn't exactly at his best.

True. But Cap, in contrast, took a beating from several specialized SHIELD agents, jumped out of a (very) high-rise window to land on concrete yet still got up quickly and took down a jet fighter with just his shield.

Hell, in Avengers, Cap went down in the jet with Hawkeye and Black Widow, while not being strapped in and went on to fight a ground war, pretty much solo. He then got blown out a window, landed on a car so hard it caved in the roof and still got up to fight alongside Thor. Then got shot in the stomach and was still ready for more. It was only after all of this did he look anywhere near as wiped as Bruce did after being shot down.

And you forgot about Cap lifting a motorcycle, with 3 grown women on top, for several USO tours.

Cap also punched through submarine glass, which has to be extremely reinforced due to the massive pressures at ocean depths. And he punched through it while underwater, so he couldn't generate as much force as normal, and then he threw the guy from the water onto the dry dock which was a good 15-20 feet above him.

Considering they are trying to say that Batman surviving a plane crashing from maybe a couple hundred feet while strapped into his seat is an equal durability feat to Cap surviving jumping out of a plane without a chute and that they're using the argument that bullets are harder to see thus they must have been faster than the energy weapons, do you really expect them to admit to how impressive Cap's feats are?

Adam West Batman > Captain America all day, every day; twice on Sundays.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Read OP, again, or if you didn't read it, read OP.

Do you not realize this is the movies forum? Literally none of the OP is specified in a movie.

With Batmans suit, gear and weapons, he could pull a win off, SM thinks this is just a fist fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Considering they are trying to say that Batman surviving a plane crashing from maybe a couple hundred feet while strapped into his seat is an equal durability feat to Cap surviving jumping out of a plane without a chute and that they're using the argument that bullets are harder to see thus they must have been faster than the energy weapons, do you really expect them to admit to how impressive Cap's feats are?

yups

Originally posted by 80sBaby
True. But Cap, in contrast, took a beating from several specialized SHIELD agents, jumped out of a (very) high-rise window to land on concrete yet still got up quickly and took down a jet fighter with just his shield.


True. But Cap landed on his shield. The shield that absorbs energy/force/impact etc. Is basically a magic plot device that does what ever the writers need it to.

Which of course is some thing I already mentioned. So I had hoped it was clear that my evaluation of Caps durability was sans shield.

If your wondering why. Well because on like Batman's he doesn't have him on it all the time, considering he also uses it as a thrown weapon and even when he is holding it, it doesn't cover all or even most of his body. Yes he's good at using it to defend himself, but it's not the same as a suit of armor, which Cap kinda already has. Though it doesn't seem to be as good as Batman's.

Basically judges Caps durability based on shield feats is like judging Batman's durability based on the damage the Batmobile can take.

Lets go back to the elevator fight for a moment though. Remember that after bring down the rest of the shield agents Cap faced of one on one against Rumlow. Who was landing far more blows then he seemed to early on, indicating that the fight did slow Cap down.

At this point the Batroc and Black Widow vs Winter Soldier are worth mentioning. In both cases "normal" human were able to give Cap or Bucky brief pause. In the case of Batroc when Cap was fairly fresh. Yes he had just fought a skirmish, but not on that took much out of him.

In other words "normals" can slow down Cap under the right circumstances as well.

Originally posted by 80sBaby

Hell, in Avengers, Cap went down in the jet with Hawkeye and Black Widow, while not being strapped in and went on to fight a ground war, pretty much solo. He then got blown out a window, landed on a car so hard it caved in the roof and still got up to fight alongside Thor. Then got shot in the stomach and was still ready for more. It was only after all of this did he look anywhere near as wiped as Bruce did after being shot down.


That he did and they are good feats. Of course I never suggested Cap wasn't durable, in fact I believe I said that when it came to soaking this kind of damage Batman and Captain America are about equal. On the other hand Caps gun shot wounds in Winter Soldier suggest that their are clearly kinds of damage Batman is better at taking.

Originally posted by 80sBaby

And you forgot about Cap lifting a motorcycle, with 3 grown women on top, for several USO tours.

Another good feat and yes one I didn't mention. Though it doesn't change much. The feats already posted suggest that Caps got a bit of an edge in raw physical strength.

Originally posted by Placidity
I would go for comics Batman over Captain America.

But this is the Movie Versus. Every film version of Batman would lose.

Really? Guess you didn't read the avengers/JLA crossover where batman himself said that in a fight cap would win

try again bud, batman says that its conceiveable that cap could beat him, i actully give that as a martial arts feat to batman because he was able to determine caps skill and physical prowess from a couple of parries and blocks

The writer Kurt later stated that his intent for that scene was Batman admitting that Cap was more skilled. I can look up the quote, it's been posted on the comic vs board several times.

Captain America wins against all movie versions of Batman.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Really? Guess you didn't read the avengers/JLA crossover where batman himself said that in a fight cap would win

It's not canon. But I agree comic Batman loses to Cap. PIS taken out of course.

Cap throws him through a wall and curbs him.

Steve has shown more skill in 3 movies than Bruce in 7

Also comic Cap has far higher lifting feats than Deathbattle gave him credit for.

Agreed.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Also comic Cap has far higher lifting feats than Deathbattle gave him credit for.
but but but batman can bench press looo poundz

Originally posted by Psychotron
Captain America wins against all movie versions of Batman.

There might be some animated versions of Batman that could beat MCU Cap, but for live action movies I completely agree.

I've always felt like we never really got a movie version of the true Batman right. They always ended up being Robo-bats instead of Ninja-bats.

At least lately, DC seems to go for a more realistic feel in their live action Batman movies, which tends to leave his fighting feats rather low.

The problem with movie batman is his suit. Its too bulky to perform fluid martial arts movements on screen without heavy cgi.
If they ever get it right (using cgi) , I hope it doesnt look like the halle berry catwoman cgi fight scenes.

I knew that movie was going to be crap, so I never watched it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I knew that movie was going to be crap, so I never watched it.

Which one, Catwoman? You should give it a chance. It's so horrible that it's entertaining.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Captain America wins against all movie versions of Batman.

Nope. The cartoon versions kick his ass.

So should we bring in cartoon version of Captain America as well?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Which one, Catwoman? You should give it a chance. It's so horrible that it's entertaining.

Yep.

I did buy the DVD during the last black Friday, just in case I ever changed my mind.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So should we bring in cartoon version of Captain America as well?
He was saying Cap (presumably MCU) beats all versions of Batman. I was merely correcting him.

As for cartoon versions, got no clue what Cap is capable of. But Bats can dodge bullets and took out Amazo.

Ok gotcha.

Ultimate Avengers (cartoons) Cap can tank multiple bullets and has agility nearing Spiderman's (at least from what I remember).

But yeah, MCU Cap will lose to cartoon Batman (at least some of them).

Ultimate Cap can takes hits from Ultimate Hulk and flip over a stationary canon that easily weighed 10 tons.

current movie Batman gets stomped, ask me again after BvS though and I'm sure you'll get a different answer

Cap wins in movies after latest showings. Pretty sure he wins in animated too. He punked Thor and Hulk.

lol i forgot i started this thread

Originally posted by relentless1
current movie Batman gets stomped, ask me again after BvS though and I'm sure you'll get a different answer

Even if Batman's feats don't support him winning?

Comic Batman stomps any version of Cap.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Comic Batman stomps any version of Cap.

LOL!!!!!!

its Batman fighting Superman under Zack-awesome fight scene-Snyders direction, how could he not have beast feats?

Originally posted by relentless1
its Batman fighting Superman under Zack-awesome fight scene-Snyders direction, how could he not have beast feats?

There is only two ways for movie Batman to have a chance against Superman, Superman gets depowered or massive PIS. either way it's not going to mean much for battle boards.

You better hope Batman's good combat feats come from other scenes.

Originally posted by Silent Master
LOL!!!!!!

i refer to how badass a fighter Snyder made Nite Owl, now dial that up to a solid 10 for Batman

Sounds like wishful thinking, seeing as his Nite Owl even with help got his a$$ kicked by someone around Cap's level.

Note Owl also has the help of the all mighty slo motion effects in his fights , thus falsfully enhancing his abilities.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I've always felt like we never really got a movie version of the true Batman right. They always ended up being Robo-bats instead of Ninja-bats.

Batman begins was very ninja like... The scene at the loading dock... The scene with Scarecrow and ambushing his men one by one. Much of this was done with quick stealth like movements. He was very much Ninja Batman in the first one.. after that... not so much

Oh and Cap wins and it's in a very decisive way.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Batman begins was very ninja like... The scene at the loading dock... The scene with Scarecrow and ambushing his men one by one. Much of this was done with quick stealth like movements. He was very much Ninja Batman in the first one.. after that... not so much

in terms of appearing and disappearing, yeah he was ninja like. But in terms of fighting skill and agility? No. He looked very cumbersome.

My two fave comic book characters.... Damn this is a tough one. But ultimately, because of the super-soldier serum and he's a living World War II legend, then Cap, it is.

It's not a tough one, movie Cap wins rather easily, Baleman just doesn't have the feats.

Murcia kicks batmans ass batman is just a rich furry who buys gadgets and knows how to fight... No superpowers

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Comic Batman stomps any version of Cap.

Just say you know nothing about these characters in comics instead of beating around the bush. I mean your statement clued us in that you knew nothing about them, but it's still better to just say it directly .

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's not a tough one, movie Cap wins rather easily, Baleman just doesn't have the feats.

I meant it's a 'tough one' for me, my decision personally, since I can't really choose between my two favorite CB characters.

Is anyone seeing a pattern here?

Hmm..

Gonna go with Batman. Those wonderful toys.

Originally posted by cdtm
Those wonderful toys.


Against which a Vibranium/Adamantium (I believe it's that combo in the comics) shield might prove useful for defending.

How the hell did this even reach 5 pages? Cap had this won before the thread was even made.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Against which a Vibranium/Adamantium (I believe it's that combo in the comics) shield might prove useful for defending.

Some of them. Others, not so much.

If only Cap had a weapon that could knock Batman out really quickly... hmm...