Broly vs Dabura

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juggerman
Since it's widely believed that Broly and Dabura are both somewhere in the range of Perfect Cell's power, I figured we can see who is greater.

Fight takes place on Namek

Fight 1: Dabura vs Movie 8 Broly

Fight 2: Dabura vs Second Coming Broly

BloodRain
If the Gohan that fought Dabura was weaker than when he fought Cell, then Dabura would be somewhat weaker than Broly. There's always spitting, but moneys on Broly.

juggerman
Broly fought the same Gohan.

BloodRain
He had an obvious upper hand, that I recall.

Crimson Dragoon
If you believe that Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 during his fight with Dabura and Broly during the second movie, Dabura would win 1 and lose in 2

SSJGGogeta
Dabura is nowhere near Cell level. Gohan never went SSJ2 as an adult except when fighting Kibito, and Fat Buu.

Broly takes this easily. He could defend against Dabura's spit with a barrier, and if he got hit by it, he could chop off whatever limb it took and regrow it with his LSSJ regeneration. Not to mention that Broly WAS Cell level, and even stronger in the second coming when he tanked multiple attacks from a SSJ2 like they were feathers landing on his face.

Galan007
I must have missed the inside joke here. sad

Damborgson
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Dabura is nowhere near Cell level. Gohan never went SSJ2 as an adult except when fighting Kibito, and Fat Buu.

Broly takes this easily. He could defend against Dabura's spit with a barrier, and if he got hit by it, he could chop off whatever limb it took and regrow it with his LSSJ regeneration. Not to mention that Broly WAS Cell level, and even stronger in the second coming when he tanked multiple attacks from a SSJ2 like they were feathers landing on his face.

What if he hit him on the forehead?

Based
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Dabura is nowhere near Cell level. Gohan never went SSJ2 as an adult except when fighting Kibito, and Fat Buu.


Yes he did, his hair is clearly SSJ2, not 1.

http://goo.gl/zvN17A

http://goo.gl/Q5VXKu

His SSJ1 is not that spiky.

http://goo.gl/wbZs7U

Based
After reviewing on more evidence I'm changing my stance to Akira Toriyama ****ed this one up and I don't really know now.

Galan007
If Gohan weren't a SSJ2 against Dabura, he wouldn't have stood a chance in hell against him. Why? Because Goku, who can very accurately sense ki, outright stated that Dabura~PCell:
http://i.imgur.com/Wbm2jE9.gif

It was also confirmed multiple times that Cell-era Gohan>>Buu-era Gohan:
http://i.imgur.com/7OGfbcl.gif
http://i.imgur.com/0MNgB3d.gif

This is important because during the Cell Games, Cell(who was holding back the entire time, mind you) was still far more powerful than SSJ Gohan--in fact, Gohan only gained the upper-hand when he went SSJ2. Point: Buu-era Gohan, who, again, was much weaker than Cell-era Gohan, absolutely would not have been able to stalemate a Cell-level foe as a standard SSJ. I can say this with confidence because not even Cell-era Gohan was able to stalemate a Cell-level foe as a standard SSJ. Therefore Gohan must have been a SSJ2 when he fought Dabura. smile

In a nutshell: SSJ2 Gohan(Cell-era)>>PCell~Dabura~SSJ2 Gohan(Buu-era)>>SSJ Gohan(Cell-era)>>SSJ Gohan(Buu-era)

juggerman
Originally posted by Galan007
In a nutshell: SSJ2 Gohan(Cell-era)>>PCell~Dabura~SSJ2 Gohan(Buu-era)>>SSJ Gohan(Cell-era)>>SSJ Gohan(Buu-era)

Where does Broly fall in there?

juggerman
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
He could defend against Dabura's spit with a barrier, and if he got hit by it, he could chop off whatever limb it took and regrow it with his LSSJ regeneration.

When the hell did Broly show the ability to regrow limbs????

pym-ftw
He didn't

juggerman
I know he didn't. I was being.... never mind. You ruined it!!!

Galan007
Originally posted by juggerman
Where does Broly fall in there? Same ballpark as Cell and Dabura--perhaps marginally more powerful. Still far inferior to SSJ2 Gohan(Cell-era), though.

ie. SSJ2 Gohan(Cell-era)>>LSSJ Broly~/>PCell~Dabura~SSJ2 Gohan(Buu-era)>>SSJ Gohan(Cell-era)>>SSJ Gohan(Buu-era)

juggerman
And the fight? Broly wins or do you think Dabura can pull out the W?

Galan007
I'd go with Broly. I don't think there is a vast difference between them, mind you, but I do think Broly is more powerful.

pym-ftw
Broly isn't smart enough to dodge the spit.

juggerman
He does use his barrier wisely tho.

Damborgson
The way I see them power-wise is, the Gohan Broly fought was >= Dabura. Dabura, according to Goku, was >= perfect cell. So Broly who was >> Gohan, should at least challenge an Ssj2.

Time Immemorial
Brolly wrecks Dabura

chasedown
Broly is probably weaker than dabura by a small margin considering cell stronger than brolly

SSJGGogeta
Cell is not stronger than Broly. He, in fact, is much weaker than Broly. However, he is able to control and direct his power handily enough to overcome stronger fighters, as well as the advantage in speed and regen.

It's a hard topic to debate considering those factors, but Broly would definitely crush Dabura, who isn't as strong, fast, and doesn't have regen.

yungz22
They needed an ssj2 to beat cell brolly on the other hand wasnt the case

Dabura would turn broly to stone

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by yungz22
They needed an ssj2 to beat cell brolly on the other hand wasnt the case

Dabura would turn broly to stone

Stone might work, thats assuming Broly lets him spit on him?

Astner
Gohan was Super Saiyan 2 when he fought Broly.

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/G_O_G_E_T_A/Scans/Daiz-Gohanmoviedesigns.jpg

Lower left corner, Gohan from the 10th movie.

Galan007
That's actually a good piece of evidence to have. thumb up

Dramatic Gecko
Which Broly? His first one or second one.

Dramatic Gecko
Okay both. 1st Broly loses and 2nd wins.

chasedown
Originally posted by Astner
Gohan was Super Saiyan 2 when he fought Broly.

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/G_O_G_E_T_A/Scans/Daiz-Gohanmoviedesigns.jpg

Lower left corner, Gohan from the 10th movie.

you do realize that that gohan in the lower left is alot weaker than the ssj2 that fought cell right

Galan007
^ I'm sure he realizes that. Assnerd likely posted that page to help solidify the notion that Gohan was a SSJ2 when he fought Broly, and not just a standard SSJ(as some have argued in the past.)

yungz22
I still think teen gohan would beat him

juggerman
Would beat who?

yungz22
Young gohan ssj2 would beat both broly and dabura

juggerman
Nope.

Consider this. Boly was solidly above SSJ2 Adult Gohan putting him easily in the range of SSJ2 Teen Gohan. Then of course we have the beam struggle at the end of the 2nd Broly film. Broly was overpowering SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ Goten and Goku, who was either a SSJ or a SSJ2. And he was doing so EASILY. He was giggling the whole time until Trunks blocked his attacks.

Now easily overpowering them puts Broly with the SSJ2 tier. If Goku was a SSJ2(doubtful) then Broly would be even higher.

Teen Gohan would be in for a fight with Broly alone.

yungz22
Originally posted by juggerman
Nope.

Consider this. Boly was solidly above SSJ2 Adult Gohan putting him easily in the range of SSJ2 Teen Gohan. Then of course we have the beam struggle at the end of the 2nd Broly film. Broly was overpowering SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ Goten and Goku, who was either a SSJ or a SSJ2. And he was doing so EASILY. He was giggling the whole time until Trunks blocked his attacks.

Now easily overpowering them puts Broly with the SSJ2 tier. If Goku was a SSJ2(doubtful) then Broly would be even higher.

Teen Gohan would be in for a fight with Broly alone.

gohan wasnt ssj2 during the broly beam struggle


i actually kina think young gohan ssj2 probably equal to broly or a lil bit stronger. gohan by no means would stomp him but i def think he can win

juggerman
Originally posted by yungz22
gohan wasnt ssj2 during the broly beam struggle


i actually kina think young gohan ssj2 probably equal to broly or a lil bit stronger. gohan by no means would stomp him but i def think he can win

Sure he was.

I think SSJ2 Teen Gohan has the edge as well.

yungz22
Originally posted by juggerman
Sure he was.

I think SSJ2 Teen Gohan has the edge as well.
nah look closely at gohan's hair right before he shot the kamehameha of it wasnt sharp like when hes in the ssj2 state also remember that adult gohan has trouble entering ssj2

juggerman
He didn't have trouble entering it when he first changed.

Galan007
Originally posted by yungz22
Young gohan ssj2 would beat both broly and dabura Cell-era SSJ2 Gohan would undoubtedly shit-stomp Dabura, given that his much weaker Buu-era-self appeared roughly equal to Dabura during their battle.

...And if we're assuming that Movie 8 Broly was roughly equal to Perfect Cell(which, imo, makes sense), then Cell-era SSJ2 Gohan would shit-stomp him as well. However, Movie 10 Broly would most likely give Cell-era SSJ2 Gohan a damn good fight based on what we saw, but I'd still probably side with Gohan in the end. Narrowly.

juggerman
Dabura's only shot is the spit.

Galan007
Yeah, that's really it... And who knows if it would even work on someone much more powerful than himself? Remember when Buuhan transmuted Vegito into a piece of candy?

juggerman
Yeah. That was just ridiculous

yungz22
was that filler?

juggerman
I don't think so

juggerman
Nope:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3155-8/dragon-ball/chapter-506.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3155-9/dragon-ball/chapter-506.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3155-10/dragon-ball/chapter-506.html

naurtoisbeast
Originally posted by juggerman
He does use his barrier wisely tho. Originally posted by juggerman
He does use his barrier wisely tho. broly will win here

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