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The Hero of Tython (Act 3), Tol Braga, Warren Sedoru, and Leeha Narezz (all with their Vitiate amps) enter the heart of the Emperor's fortress. Yet instead of finding Vitiate, they find another mysterious hooded figure. Inching closer to the throne, Darth Sidious himself leaps to the floor, two crimson blades in hand.

Can the strike team defeat this enemy, possessing power beyond credibility? Or will the Sith Master break them?

They get broken.

Lolno. Warren and Leeha get blitzed. HoT and Braga can't hold their own against Palps either.

Sidious slices and dices, or electrocutes the hell out of... or ragdolls.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lolno. Warren and Leeha get blitzed. HoT and Braga can't hold their own against Palps either.

The better question is if they get blitzed faster than Kolar or Tin.

Sidious

Depends on whether or not Sidious is feeling playful.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Depends on whether or not Sidious is feeling playful.
I hope you're talking about how fast he blitzes them. They wouldn't even be entertaining to fight, tbh.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I hope you're talking about how fast he blitzes them. They wouldn't even be entertaining to fight, tbh.

I am.

Is this DE Sidious or the Sidious that fought Maul and Savage?

Team. awermm

I'd think the team has a pretty good chance. Sure, three go down pretty fast, but that still uses up some energy, it's tiring, and then the two remainders are quite strong. It'll take a lot of effort to take on both of them.

Sidious wins ultimately... he can just relax in a Force Maelstrom if he wants. Beyond that at least two or perhaps three of his opponents go down quickly in a saber duel.

Regardless this comes down to the Hero of Tython and that ain't no Mace Windu.

Originally posted by Sinious
Is this DE Sidious or the Sidious that fought Maul and Savage?
It doesn't matter, half the team is fodder, and the rest is well below Yoda in power. Even together.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It doesn't matter, half the team is fodder, and the rest is well below Yoda in power. Even together.

HoT by himself would give Yoda a good fight. With these jedi companions backing him up, he has a good chance to defeat Yoda.

If its DE Sidious, there is no doubt that he would defeat them as Vitiate easily dominated an easier incarnation of the team but ROTS Sidious' superiority to the this team(where HoT is more powerful and everyone's amped) is worth debating.

Originally posted by Sinious
HoT by himself would give Yoda a good fight.]

That's the kind of statement I only expect from Neph or LeGenDs. Shameful, is what it is.

It's true.

Warren and Leeha aren't as strong as Agen nor Saesee--They fall in short order. Then you're left with Braga and Hero--Together they can put up a fight, but they don't really threaten the Dark God.

Not sure I buy that first part. They were already among the strongest Jedi of their time and then were further amped by Vitiate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's true.
But it's not. The other two might as well not even be here. HoT and Braga aren't going to make this either.

.... It's true that the HoT could give Yoda a good fight, I said.

Originally posted by Nephthys
.... It's true that the HoT could give Yoda a good fight, I said.
That's hardly true either, but that's not the point of this thread, and you've already said the team would win.....might as well move on.

If Dooku can give Yoda a good fight, so can the Hero.

Dooku did on a nexus.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's the kind of statement I only expect from Neph or LeGenDs. Shameful, is what it is.

I never said he would defeat Yoda. I said he would give him a good fight before falling and there is nothing inaccurate about that. HoT is heavily underrated here.

Amped act 3 HoT with the aid of these 3 jedi is a tough group. I'm not sure how much more powerful Vitiate's boost makes them though.

Originally posted by Sinious
I never said he would defeat Yoda. I said he would give him a good fight before falling and there is nothing inaccurate about that. HoT is heavily underrated here.

The HoT isn't anywhere close to Yoda in power, and as someone who's never been known to underrate them, I mean that with much certainty.

Not enough. Vitiate's "amp" is more of an assumption on the OP's part than any measure of actual strength.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The HoT isn't anywhere close to Yoda in power, and as someone who's never been known to underrate them, I mean that with much certainty.


And where do you place HoT? I think he might very well be the 3rd strongest jedi.



If that's the case, then yes, ROTS Sidious would take this.

I don't think it's an assumption, they were mentioned directly as having been amped by him.

Originally posted by Sinious
And where do you place HoT? I think he might very well be the 3rd strongest jedi.



No. Nononononononoononono.

The Emperor decimates the team

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
as someone who's never been known to underrate them

Until now.....

Originally posted by Nephthys
Until now.....
They aren't the third strongest Jedi. That's something I've never supported.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice


No. Nononononononoononono.

My reaction to this entire thread.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
They aren't the third strongest Jedi. That's something I've never supported.

Even though the Emperor was weakened, its still pretty impressive that he beat him. Revan got easily dominated by the Emperor and Revan is around top 5 jedi material.

Unlike the sith, there aren't many force titans amongst jedi other than Yoda and Luke.

Don't forget the Barsen'thor.

......And I guess Jacen. uhuh

Maaaaaybe Kyp and Satele.

Kyp is stronger than Barsen

All bark and no bite imo. Dude barely does anything.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't forget the Barsen'thor.

......And I guess Jacen. uhuh

Maaaaaybe Kyp and Satele.

I think Revan would take Barsen'thor.

Mace Windu is a good candidate too.

Originally posted by Sinious
I think Revan would take Barsen'thor.

Mace Windu is a good candidate too.

Maybe, but in a pure Force battle?

Hmmm, probably.

Originally posted by Sinious
Revan got easily dominated by the Emperor and Revan is around top 5 jedi material.

Encyclopedic medium said Emperor was almost killed by Revan.

On a more serious note, there are quite a few Jedi around the HoT's level, and while defeating a weakened Vitiate is a feat, it has nothing to suggest that it was because the HoT overpowered him in the Force, far from it.

The HoT does overpower him with the Force in the darkside ending tho.

IMO the HoT's Force abilities were likely to be primarily defense based.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The HoT does overpower him with the Force in the darkside ending tho.

He was toast before that. And I know toast when I see it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Encyclopedic medium said Emperor was almost killed by Revan.



Not because Revan was near Vitiate's level. He got a chance to hurt him cause the Emperor underestimated him/didnt see him as a threat at first.

Originally posted by Sinious
Not because Revan was near Vitiate's level. He got a chance to hurt him cause the Emperor underestimated him/didnt see him as a threat at first.
So exactly like when the HoT fought Vitiate? You see the double standard in that statement, correct? No worse, because Vitiate wasn't weakened then.

Vitiate didn't underestimate the HoT.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate didn't underestimate the HoT.
Perhaps you have a different definition of underestimate than I do, but when someone says dozen of times that they will kill you and that you can't defeat them and then they don't and you do, that's an underestimation.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Perhaps you have a different definition of underestimate than I do, but when someone says dozen of times that they will kill you and that you can't defeat them and then they don't and you do, that's an underestimation.

Thats just typical Sith arrogance. Regardless, Vitiate was not going easy on or taking lightly the HoT, his most hated enemy.

But he did for Revan, who he is definitely trying to kill until Scourge's betrayal, because you know, why not? That usual sith arrogance is called underestimation, by the way.

Beings like Vitiate will underestimate anyone. With HoT it wasn't anything unusual but when he fought Revan, he literally treated him like a random jedi where he fought HoT properly from the beginning. HoT's placement is questionable because we don't know how much the Emperor was weakened and I obviously don't put him above Vitiate so I don't see how I am making statements with double standards here.

Originally posted by Sinious
Beings like Vitiate will underestimate anyone. With HoT it wasn't anything unusual but when he fought Revan, he literally treated him like a random jedi
Uh source? He knows who Revan is and his relative power level, and since this is said nowhere in the novel, I'm guessing you just made this up.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Uh source? He knows who Revan is and his relative power level, and since this is said nowhere in the novel, I'm guessing you just made this up.

He sends weak ass lightning bolts to him and assumes that he can deal with him without a fight as he tries to dominate Revan's mind.

Since he can normally defeat him in seconds, its not an assumption to say he didnt give his best at first in fact it was the opposite.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
But he did for Revan, who he is definitely trying to kill until Scourge's betrayal, because you know, why not? That usual sith arrogance is called underestimation, by the way.

Definitely trying to kill? Doubt it, just tried to dominate him or smack him around until he got actually mad. And no, the usual Sith arrogance is about overestimating themselves. There's absolutely nothing indicating that the Hero only managed to hurt him because he took it easy against them. The quest text even says he intends to destroy you because he can sense your power is too great to contain. The Hero won through her own immense power, as Vitiate said.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Definitely trying to kill? Doubt it, just tried to dominate him or smack him around until he got actually mad.

He wanted to kill Revan as soon as he returned to Sith space, only Nyriss spared him.

Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

That's not what underestimate means.

The Hero won because of circumstance.

The Emperor humiliated the TOR losers