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Anakin during the assault on mustafar vs Darth Plagueis at his best.

Round 1. Normal battle.

Round 2. Anakin is enraged, Plagueis is prepped.

Location: Jedi Temple(Corousant)

Who wins?

Plagueis with ease.

Plagueis, solidly.

Anakin was not more powerful than Obi-Wan at the time of RotS. He could be in a few months though, but at that time, they are ''perfectly matched''.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Anakin was not more powerful than Obi-Wan at the time of RotS. He could be in a few months though, but at that time, they were ''perfectly matched''.


The were perfectly matched in skill. But Skywalker was considerably stronger.

However Kenobi's defensive style negates that advantage by giving ground which is why the fight was even.

But that doesn't change the fact that Skywalker is still the more powerful of the 2, and the more dangerous foe for others to take on.

Plagueis would still win, however.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The were perfectly matched in skill. But Skywalker was considerably stronger.

However Kenobi's defensive style negates that advantage by giving ground which is why the fight was even.

But that doesn't change the fact that Skywalker is still the more powerful of the 2, and the more dangerous foe for others to take on.

Defense, attack etc. doesn't matter. His combat power level is matters. Just because Kenobi is using defensive technique that doesn't mean he is inferior. It is true that he can't beat some people in a short time unlike Anakin can. But on the other hand, he can defend himself against much bigger fire power, I doubt that Anakin could hold his defense against Maul + Savage team, Obi-Wan did great job against those two in Floorum. Or he can defend himself against Grievous's multiple blade better, or he can defend himself against blaster bolts better than Anakin, for example ;

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Anakin with an amplification from Force Rage akin to what he had against Dooku vs Plagueis becomes a close fight.. but more often than not Plagueis is going to win, regardless.

I believe that Dooku was kind of hindered in that battle (against Anakin, but not to Obi-Wan), especially since Lucas explained the secret conversation between Sidious & Dooku ;

Except Dooku says that he wasn't going to hold back during the duel because it would be easier to find another way to turn Anakin than it would be to replace Dooku.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Defense, attack etc. doesn't matter. His combat power level is matters. Just because Kenobi is using defensive technique that doesn't mean he is inferior. It is true that he can't beat some people in a short time unlike Anakin can. But on the other hand, he can defend himself against much bigger fire power, I doubt that Anakin could hold his defense against Maul + Savage team, Obi-Wan did great job against those two in Floorum. Or he can defend himself against Grievous's multiple blade better, or he can defend himself against blaster bolts better than Anakin, for


Yes Kenobi is better than Skywalker at pure defence. Although Skywalker had solid defences himself. They are equal and opposites in that Anakin Is Offensive and Obi-Wan Defensive, both equally skilled.

However Anakin is Stronger and has greater stamina, all due to his natural force reserves.

Still when fighting each other Kenobi can negate Skywalker's Strength advantage by simply giving more ground than he would against someone as strong as himself on the offence against him.

Dooku decided he was going to go for the kill against Anakin/Kenobi before a large portion of the duel had played out, according to RotS, and even then - not killing someone =/= holding back. Dooku could have taken his arm off or any other number of incapacitating injuries rather than killing him.

Plagueis solidly.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Anakin was not more powerful than Obi-Wan at the time of RotS. He could be in a few months though, but at that time, they are ''perfectly matched''.

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What's so funny ? Oh, should I say ''Anakin was hindered'' bla bla crap, and completely ignore the fact that Obi-Wan fought equally with him ?

Nick Gillard personally declared that ''they just match each other perfectly''...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes Kenobi is better than Skywalker at pure defence. Although Skywalker had solid defences himself. They are equal and opposites in that Anakin Is Offensive and Obi-Wan Defensive, both equally skilled.

However Anakin is Stronger and has greater stamina, all due to his natural force reserves.

Still when fighting each other Kenobi can negate Skywalker's Strength advantage by simply giving more ground than he would against someone as strong as himself on the offence against him.

I agree that Anakin has advantage on stamina, however

Obi-Wan simply used his ''sokan'' technique for that, you see that battle was completely stalemate, and Obi-Wan's sokan mastery decided the outcome. ''High ground'

Nick Gilllard also says that Anakin is a level 9 and Kenobi an 8 and that the gap between a 9 and an 8 "is enormous"...

Originally posted by ares834
Nick Gilllard also says that Anakin is a level 9 and Kenobi an 8 and that the gap between a 9 and an 8 "is enormous"...

And he also says, that's only because Anakin used temporary force rage. (Similar to what TPM Kenobi did when Qui-Gon died, Anakin probably thought Obi-Wan died there)

No he doesn't.

No he didn't. Lol

Quit making shit up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PAOPveZtoE

If you do it too quick, you are gonna get trouble. His downfall is gonna be aggression.

Watch this ****ing video, and explain to me how Anakin become level 9 then he matched with Obi-Wan ''perfectly'' ...

Aggression=/=Force Rage. I can see why ComicVine didn't like you, like holy shit.
People like you give me the encouragement to make blogs on Force Rage and how it works.

comicvine didn't like me because I kicked some ''so called star wars expert'' ass And even one of them followed me all the way here xD

And don't change the subject, I am still waiting for the answer ;

Originally posted by Marco1907
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PAOPveZtoE

If you do it too quick, you are gonna get trouble. His downfall is gonna be aggression.

Watch this ****ing video, and explain to me how Anakin become level 9 then he matched with Obi-Wan ''perfectly'' ...

Are you dense? He doesn't mention it being due to force rage at all. He also explicitly states that Anakain has surpassed Kenobi. His talk about them matching each other has to do with them both being aggressive fighters (which contradicts the EU) not their level of power.

Force Rage isn't aggression. Force Rage is an entirely different Dark-side art which, if Anakin utilized here, would mean he would have never been able to fight for over 10 minutes strait. It's literally impossible.

And there is still no logical answer for 'perfectly matched' ... Is that some kind of tongue twister...?

Only if you ignore all context and fail to realize that he is talking about their style not their power.

Originally posted by ares834
Only if you ignore all context and fail to realize that he is talking about their style not their power.

So I am the one ignoring the all context ? Lol. He simply said that Anakin become level 9 ''too quickly'', that is why he was not ready for that level, it is just as simple is that.

Or you can explain to me how he failed to beat Obi-Wan...

He failed to beat Kenobi because Anakin is a head case. Mentally he isn't as good a fighter as Kenobi and that's why Kenobi wins despite being the inferior fighter. Kenobi is focused and prepared, Anakin is impulsive and reckless. That's what Gillard is getting at when he says Anakin progressed through the levels "too quickly". He has the power and the skill, but he hasn't learned the mental side yet.

Is it really difficult to work out?

Yes, Anakin is a 9 and Obi-Wan is an 8, in terms of dueling skill. So Anakin is more skilled. And yes, they were also perfectly even on Mustafar. Why?

Because, anyone who read Revenge of the Sith would have noted the part where it talked about them being "two halves of one warrior", and all the rest of it. They have near enough perfect synergy, and because of this, they know each other's fighting style in and out. They can anticipate each other's moves seamlessly, and that's why the duel was so prolonged. That, and Anakin seemed to have more trouble than Obi-Wan at letting go and going for the kill.

And no, Erkan, I didn't follow you here, LOL.

Originally posted by Marco1907
And he also says, that's only because Anakin used temporary force rage. (Similar to what TPM Kenobi did when Qui-Gon died, Anakin probably thought Obi-Wan died there)


http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/user222437_pic71490_1370609620_thumb.png Nope, Anakin is clearly catching up to Dooku throughout TCWs. Dooku, Mace, Yoda, Anakin, and Sidious are all "level 9 swordsmen." A huge tier above Kenobi.

Remember when Windu could barely stop Palpatine's force lightning, and only staved the attack off with his vapaad and superconducting loop? I think the disparity in strength in defensive Force ability between Skywalker and amped-Windu is greater than that between Plagueis and Palpatine.

Now, if Anakin is significantly more powerful in the Force than Obi Wan, why did their telekensis deadlock?

Anakin stands no chance against Plagueis. That being said, Skywalker outclasses Kenobi. The showing on Mustafar can easily be dismissed as ridiculously low end on account of his emotional instability.

Plageuis kicks Anakins ass.

And also Obi-wan>Anakin See Rots for proof.

Plageuis has no impressive lightsaber feats that would put him anywhere close to Anakin's level of combat.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Plageuis kicks Anakins ass.

And also Obi-wan>Anakin See Rots for proof.

http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/user222437_pic71490_1370609620_thumb.png

Originally posted by ILS
And no, Erkan, I didn't follow you here, LOL.


I can vividly remember your dismay upon realizing he was already here.

Originally posted by Marco1907
And there is still no logical answer for 'perfectly matched' ... Is that some kind of tongue twister...?


Nick Gillard gives his answer in The Making of ROTS. Because they know each others moves inside out so can't get past each other's defenses. I'll find the exact quote and page number tonight if you want it.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Plageuis kicks Anakins ass.

And also Obi-wan>Anakin See Rots for proof.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Anakin stands no chance against Plagueis. That being said, Skywalker outclasses Kenobi. The showing on Mustafar can easily be dismissed as ridiculously low end on account of his emotional instability.

Or perhaps it's best to say that Skywalker's abilities fluctuate wildly depending on his emotional state. The Skywalker we see manhandling Dooku could possibly destroy Plagueis if distances were small.

Originally posted by Arhael
The fact that Kenobi was the one constantly driven back and barely keeping up with Anakin is enough indication of prowess difference.

But you see, I don't actually see that. Obi Wan does give up ground, yes, but that's exactly what soresu masters typically do. There are multiple times when Obi Wan chooses to stand his ground against Anakin, and in none of those instances does he get his ass kicked. Anakin's primary advantage, his raw power, doesn't really do much against the consummate soresu master, and his ability to harness the Force offensively seemed to equal his former master's when they tried telekinesis on one another, basically leaving him with his greater stamina reserves (he's clearly not as winded as Obi Wan is). Anakin > Obi Wan, but on Mustafar they were rather evenly matched.

Hego wins.