Saesee Tiin vs Quinlan Vos

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Jmanghan
Saesee Tiin

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Born in 73 BBY (Pure Speculation), Saesee Tiin was a male Iktotchi Jedi Master and a member of the Jedi High Council in the last days of the Galactic Republic. Having apprenticed under the esteemed Jedi Master Omo Bouri, Tiin rarely spoke and kept to himself. Never choosing to take a Padawan himself, Tiin took the rank of Jedi General in the Grand Army of the Republic during the Clone Wars.

Tiin fought in the Stark Hyperspace War in 44 BBY during the fifth battle on Qotile and also participated in the Yinchorri Uprising of 33 BBY. Some time after that, he and other Jedi tracked down the terrorist Nebula Front movement to their base on Asmeru. Tiin fought on many battlefronts during the Clone Wars on planets such as Lola Sayu, Gwori, Boz Pity, Diado, Geonosis, and The Rig.

A renowned starfighter ace, Tiin had been born on Iktotch, the moon of Iktotchon. Because of the battering winds of the moon, Tiin's species had adapted toughened skin and blunt features. A natural telepath, Master Tiin failed to foresee his demise at the hands of the secret Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Sidious, who in reality, was Supreme Chancellor Palpatine of the Galactic Republic. Tiin's death on Coruscant in 19 BBY alongside that of Mace Windu, Kit Fisto and Agen Kolar to Darth Sidious marked the start of the Great Jedi Purge and Order 66.

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Having trained as a Jedi Guardian, Saesee Tiin possessed exceptional prowess with a lightsaber, wielding many over his long career. Having used a violet, cobalt, and then an emerald lightsaber crystal in his weapon's hilt, the Master was known for utilizing Form V, in particular Djem So.

Aside from combat, Tiin was most comfortable as a pilot, serving the Jedi Starfighter Corps as an ace pilot. Upgrading many of the Order's craft, Tiin was said to be rivalled only by Jedi Anakin Skywalker in his natural piloting skills. Enhanced by his natural telepathic abilities, Tiin was able to not only read minds, but instinctively astrogate his starfighters through hyperspace without a navigation computer.

Due to his telepathic abilities, Tiin was initially shunned by his peers, causing him to withdraw from most contact with the other students at the Temple. Maintaining his reclusive behavior throughout the rest of his training, Tiin was few of words and preferred to let others do the talking, though he was capable at forcing negotiations through during a crisis. While hard-headed, Master Tiin claimed that trait as his greatest strength and a valuable tool on the battlefield. His master, Omo Bouri, honed his interests into a strong devotion to the Order, something many considered an obsessive conviction.

Tiin reviled dark siders and traitors to the Order, going so far as to refuse to call Quinlan Vos by name during the Clone Wars after his apparent defection. Calling him simply "renegade," Tiin could not vote when Vos was brought before the Council of Reconciliation, believing himself too conflicted.

Tiin focused all his time as a Padawan to understand his master and to use the Force to expand his telepathy to extraordinary heights. Able to control his own mind and sift through thoughts from around the galaxy. Tiin learned from his master, Omo Bouri, the meaning of complete dedication to the Order.

Tiin had a history of Saber-Sparring, and frequents Master Windu as a Sparring Partner. It's been said that Tiin is one of the finest Saber Duelists of the order.

It's speculated that Tiin was born in 73 BBY, so that would make him 54 at the time of his death. But honestly, no one knows his age.


Quinlan Vos

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Born in 57 BBY, Quinlan Vos was a male Kiffar Jedi Master in the Jedi Order and a General in the Grand Army of the Republic during the Clone Wars against the Confederacy of Independent Systems. He hailed from the planet Kiffu in the Inner Rim. With long, dreadlocked hair and a band of pale yellow across his upper face, Vos was gifted with psychometric powers which allowed him to "read memories" from inanimate objects through physical contact.

Vos had an ongoing struggle with the dark side of the Force, particularly after he sustained recurrent amnesia after he overdosed on an illegal drug administered by an enemy shortly after the Battle of Naboo. The Sith Lords Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranus both showed an interest in him, and while Vos served Dooku for a while, he eventually redeemed himself and was readmitted into the Jedi Order. As the war continued, Vos served on numerous missions, including the hunt for the Hutt crime lord Ziro Desilijic Tiure. Throughout the war, Vos was openly disdainful to the clone troopers under his command, which lead to him being disliked by clones and hated by Sergeant Kal Skirata.

Vos was on Kashyyyk as part of the battle there when Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, in reality the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, issued the order to clone troopers to kill their Jedi superiors. Despite serious injuries, Vos escaped as one of the few survivors of the Great Jedi Purge and settled on Kashyyyk with his lover, Khaleen Hentz, and raised a son named Korto Vos.

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Quinlan Vos was trained as a Jedi Guardian and he wielded a single green-bladed lightsaber, though his chosen blade color changed throughout his lifetime. The hilt design was similar to that of Dooku's standard, Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi's lightsabers. He was a master of Ataru and taught his apprentice Aayla Secura everything he knew.

Vos was also trained in Vaapad by Sora Bulq, though he was not a master of it. Vos would later demonstrate his new talents inadvertently during a practice session with Mace Windu, who immediately recognized his move as part of Vaapad. Windu abruptly halted the duel, warning Vos not to use Vaapad again, as Vos was already considered to tread too closely to the dark side for him to safely employ Vaapad. However, while Vos was serving as a double agent for Count Dooku during the Clone Wars, he was encouraged by Bulq, who had by that time allied with Dooku, to take up Vaapad's power again. Mace Windu, in his private memoir, expressed concerns and suspected Vos has mastered Vaapad to a degree greater than the Kiffar Jedi had revealed. Quinlan Vos would later demonstrate his level of mastery of Vaapad in defeating Sora Bulq during the Siege of Salecumi in lightsaber combat.

Count Dooku also trained Vos in some elements of Form II: Makashi, while characterizing Vos' dueling skills as "appalling". The Kiffar had also been shown to hold his lightsaber in reverse grip, indicating he was a practitioner of Shien. Such examples of this fighting style were displayed in various missions: Anzat, Kiffex, Kiffu, the assassination of Senator Viento, Titavian IV, Saleucami, and Kashyyyk. At one time, he utilized Jar'Kai against Tysr. Vos's abilities with a lightsaber allowed him to defeat and slay three Dark Acolytes during the Clone Wars; Kadrian Sey, Tol Skorr, and even Sora Bulq. It should be noted that Bulq was considered to be one of the greatest swordsmen of his time.

In addition to his considerable lightsaber combat skills, Vos had the power of psychometry, the ability to read images from objects. Vos was also one of the few Jedi who was able to use Force cloak, which he learned from Tholme and taught Secura. He could locate his enemies based on their effects on the environment. He also had considerable working knowledge of espionage and counter-intelligence, and worked as a double agent. While working undercover, Dooku personally trained Quinlan Vos in the dark side and in a variety of dark side powers including Force lightning, Force choke, and to tame animals and bend them to his will, most notably a krayt dragon. At one time, he tried to learn inertia, but had dislocated his shoulder in the process.

Vos is 38 Years Old as of the birth of his son, which is his last known showing.



WHO TAKES THIS?

Marco1907
Vos

Q99
I'd think Tiin, but in a fight.

I don't think Vos can handle Tiin's force power.

NewGuy01
Saesee.

Arhael
Quinlan Vos has plenty of semi-impressive feats. Saesee has non.
Thus I vote for Vos.

Marco1907
C'mon Vos takes this. Saesee has no comparable dueling skill to Vos.

NewGuy01
LOL

Aurbere
Going with Saesee. Vos, for all his skills, wasn't named among the best swordsmen in the Order.

Marco1907
Originally posted by Aurbere
Vos, for all his skills, wasn't named among the best swordsmen in the Order.

So ? Sora Bulq named, and he beat him.

NewGuy01
Even so, Sora is pretty vastly outstripped by Tiin as a Force User, even if they're both similarly capable swordsmen.

Aurbere
Originally posted by Marco1907
So ? Sora Bulq named, and he beat him.

He was getting trashed before, and only caught Bulq off guard as he was delivering the Coupe De Grace.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Marco1907
C'mon Vos takes this. Saesee has no comparable dueling skill to Vos. Feats does not = Skill

Marco1907
Originally posted by Aurbere
He was getting trashed before, and only caught Bulq off guard as he was delivering the Coupe De Grace.

Are you sure ?

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Fated Xtasy
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Even so, Sora is pretty vastly outstripped by Tiin as a Force User, even if they're both similarly capable swordsmen.

Why do you only take OCW feats into account when Saesee Tiin is involved?

My how the tables have turned NewGuy01.

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Jmanghan
I read before that this actually happened at some point :P

Jmanghan
Saesee Tiin went to arrest Quinlan Vos or something and he just gave up?

NewGuy01
I don't. no expression

Aurbere
Originally posted by Marco1907
Are you sure ?

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Yeah, I am sure, because I have the comic. He struggles to fight Bulq, and then starts getting trashed as he wrestles with his Dark Side, only beating Bulq because of Bulq's arrogance as he tried to deliver the killing stroke.

Because of all of the circumstances involved, the fight is completely inconclusive.

DarthChickenMan
Vos wins, more feats, more duels, more skill.

All Tiin has are claims, UNFOUNDED claims.

Arhael
Saesee and Koth were both equally impressive against Sidious.

Vos has no problem beating Koth, so don't see how he will have any more difficulty beating Saesee.

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NewGuy01
You do know that Agen puts him down in the panel directly after the one you showed, right?

Nargaroth
Yeah, as I recall, Agen practically stomped him. Regardless, Tiin takes this.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Arhael
Saesee and Koth were both equally impressive against Sidious.

Vos has no problem beating Koth, so don't see how he will have any more difficulty beating Saesee.

http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/9/8766/Duel_Agen_Vos.jpg Koth wasn't the one going up against Sidious, dude .-. Just as well, Koth lost to Grievous .-.

Marco1907
Vos should give a good fight to Ventress in the new canon. On the other hand, Tiin is featless in new canon. That is why I like TCW, I mean Tiin and Kolar were completely incompetent in the movie.

New Canon Vos wins via possessing feat.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Marco1907
Vos should give a good fight to Ventress in the new canon. On the other hand, Tiin is featless in new canon. That is why I like TCW, I mean Tiin and Kolar were completely incompetent in the movie.

New Canon Vos wins via possessing feat.

...Again, Feat does not = Skill, if Mace wanted to, he would've taken Vos, he didn't take Vos for a REASON.

NewGuy01
Mace and Quinlan fought in the new canon?

Jmanghan
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Mace and Quinlan fought in the new canon?

...No, if I recall correctly, Quinlan got beat with ONE MOVE.

And Saesee has sparred Mace several times.

carthage
Im not sure.

Tiin is likely more powerful, but other than accolades Quinlan's dueling feats are somewhat superior to Tiin's lack thereof.

Tiin might win via force, but Quinlan should take sabers imo.

NewGuy01
Not really, just compare their respective spars against Mace. Windu comfortably stomps Vos three times in the two page match with a smile on his face. Conversely, neither he nor Saesee gain a noticeable edge over one another and Mace is fighting far more seriously.

ILS
When Vos sparred Windu he was holding back and was out of practice with a saber. Mace was also holding back, but when Vos began to let loose Mace ended the spar inconclusively. I figure Vos years later in his "prime" could pose more of a challenge to Windu than he did in that instance.

Tiin should be the better duelist though, based on accolades and his spar with Windu. Even if it isn't concrete, it's enough to say he's better than Vos.

Tiin was noted as being one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order at that time and has decent TK feats around Vos' level, so TK isn't really an issue.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by ILS
When Vos sparred Windu he was holding back and was out of practice with a saber. Mace was also holding back, but when Vos began to let loose Mace ended the spar inconclusively. I figure Vos years later in his "prime" could pose more of a challenge to Windu than he did in that instance.

Tiin should be the better duelist though, based on accolades and his spar with Windu. Even if it isn't concrete, it's enough to say he's better than Vos.

Tiin was noted as being one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order at that time and has decent TK feats around Vos' level, so TK isn't really an issue.

It woulda been easier to say that Tiin takes this.

carthage
Quite a few people are putting Tiin's level of skill into question including luminaries such as Shootingnova, who thinks that Jinn could even put up a fight with him due to lack of exposure of his supposed skill.

He might still take this again, there is no definitive way to say.

Marco1907
Originally posted by carthage

Tiin might win via force, but Quinlan should take sabers imo.

thumb up

WollfMyth
Agen Kolar was able to outmanuver and downright STOMP Quinlan Vos. Agen is one of the weaker members of the High Council and should be just below Saesee.
Tiin is a good tier above Vos as a duelist, he may not have many feats, but the ones he does are credible. In terms of Force powers, I doubt that Choke or Lightning is gonna give Vos the win, but Vos' shield was broken by Tholme, who is nowhere near Saesee in terms of telekinesis. Saesee takes this.

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