Ahsoka Tano vs Asajj Ventress

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Jmanghan
Ahsoka Tano

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Ahsoka Tano was very skilled in lightsaber combat for someone of her age. She made use of the unorthodox Shien reverse grip during combat. However, she would utilize the standard grip at the insistence of her master. In addition to being skilled in Shien, Tano also received training in Ataru and was learning Djem So under her Master. Skywalker also gave her training in the early levels of Niman as an exercise, as well as engaging in numerous hours of quarterstaff training to prepare her for opponents wielding saberstaffs. Her technique consisted of rapid switches and feints, darting from one side of the battleground to the other to exhaust her opponent. Tano's combat skills were clearly quite considerable, as she was able to defeat three MagnaGuards single handed and at least temporarily hold her ground against Asajj Ventress and General Grievous.

At some point during the Clone Wars, Tano began to learn Jar'Kai, wielding a yellowish-green shoto along with her original lightsaber. She still sometimes used only her lightsaber, such as when she duelled Skywalker on Mortis before Kenobi arrived, but would use Jar'Kai when facing multiple opponents and was able to hold her own against both Skywalker and Kenobi on Mortis, even though both of her opponents were more experienced warriors than she was. During her second encounter with Grievous, Tano showed that her skills had improved vastly as she was able to hold off all four of Grievous' lightsabers and survive for the second time, whereas previously she only lasted a short time when Grievous was only using two lightsabers.

Whilst fleeing from Clones after being framed for murder, Tano lost her shoto and was forced to use only her lightsaber to fight Barriss Offee. Her duel against Offee showed that she had become too reliant on her second lightsaber, something she had in common with Asajj Ventress, and although she put up a considerable fight, Offee ultimately proved to be too powerful for her.

Tano possessed a strong connection to the Force, and often used it to perform the Force Jump power and other acrobatic feats. Although Tano's Force powers required more training, she was capable of performing extensive telekinetic feats, as seen during the Battle of Christophsis where she pulled down a large wall in order to save Skywalker from a group of retail droids. Tano was also skilled in the use of the Force push power, which she used to save the life of Luminara Unduli.

Tano also had a strong Force sense, able to sense the presence of Plo Koon after his fleet was destroyed by the Malevolence and the presences of the children who were kidnapped by Cad Bane. She also eventually learned the Jedi Mind trick.

In addition to her Force powers and lightsaber combat skills, Tano possessed advanced visuospatial awareness, aided by the hollow spaces in her montrals that gathered information ultrasonically. That passive echolocation was a Togrutan ability which allowed Tano to sense the proximity and movement of physical objects around her. She used that to great effect during the Battle of Christophsis, toppling a wall on top of Anakin Skywalker and a number of droids he was fighting, timing it so that Skywalker was cleared by a broken gap in the falling slab, whereas the droids were crushed.

Tano was also a talented pilot and also displayed potential as a skilled war strategist by leading an attack that penetrated a Separatist blockade on Ryloth. Tano was also trained by her master to quickly analyze technical scans of enemy ships.

Tano also displayed skill in hand to hand combat as she was able to easily overpower Cad Bane before dropping her guard and being incapacitated by the bounty hunter. She later used her hand to hand combat skills on Mandalore by single handedly defeating a group of the Mandalorian Secret Service and later holding off several guards and subduing Prime Minister Almec despite being handcuffed at the time. However, on that occasion, she armed herself with one of the guards' shields, which she used to fend them off and defend herself from a stun gun. While she was a prisoner of Trandoshan hunters, Tano was able to kill the Trandoshan hunters, Dar, and his father, Garnac, by only using hand to hand combat and Force powers.

Tano also showed a considerable knowledge of mechanics which she had learned from her Master. She was able to use her mechanical skills to contact Skywalker and save her and Barriss Offee's lives when they were trapped under a destroyed droid factory on Geonosis. She also knew how to repair vehicles. While on Mortis, she repaired the shuttle that she, Kenobi and Skywalker had crashed on the planet.

Tano had the ability to understand Shyriiwook, as demonstrated by her translation for Chewbacca while captured on Wasskah.


Asajj Ventress

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Asajj Ventress was a master of Jar'Kai and took up the style after the death of her master, Ky Narec, taking up his lightsaber alongside her own. However, without Narec's guidance, she spiraled down the path of the dark side, and this showed in her bladework, which became furiously aggressive. She demonstrated her skills to Count Dooku during his visit to Rattatak, viciously killing off the competitors in the Cauldron in a furious display of bladework and raw power in the Force. During her subsequent duel with the Count, she fell on him in a blind fury, but was nonetheless defeated. However, she did impress the Count, and his Sith Master, Darth Sidious, with her skills. The Count awarded her with the twin curved-hilt lightsabers of his former student, Komari Vosa.

Wielding these new lightsabers, Ventress developed her skills under Dooku's tutelage, applying her skills in dual-blade combat to Makashi, and began utilizing the paired function of the weapons, demonstrating impressive skill with the saberstaff, and occasionally joined the weapons together with a fibercord, flailing them about. Eventually, her prowess as a duelist allowed her to hold her own against up to three adversaries with little difficulty, as she demonstrated during her mission to Ruul. Her skills even advanced to the point where she was able to battle and defeat, or at least hold her own against, Jedi Council masters, an accomplishment that few of her contemporaries could match. She was even able to contend with Grievous and was able to defeat him.

However, despite her skills, she was not without her weaknesses. During her earlier years, she lacked the major levels of physical strength to compensate for the inherent weaknesses of Jar'Kai and Makashi; her blows lacked power, as shown by Dooku's casual defensive moves during their bout on Rattatak; and she was left vulnerable to power attacks, as shown by her retreat before Anakin Skywalker's offensive frenzy during their duel on Yavin IV. However, she eventually developed the physical strength necessary to compensate for these weaknesses, demonstrating the ability to hold up simultaneous bladelocks with multiple duelists at a time. However, her technique still was not without its flaws; notably her usage of Makashi was criticized by Luminara Unduli as being "unrefined," "amateurish," and "sloppy." Ventress was also heavily reliant on her second blade, and was left at a disadvantage if deprived of it.

Though noted for her skill in physical combat, Ventress was by no means lacking in Force strength. Darth Sidious himself noted that she was powerful, and feared that Count Dooku would use her to help overthrow him as Dark Lord of the Sith. Ventress was able to use telekinesis to a very high degree, as evidenced when she caused large sections of a roof to collapse during her initiation on Rattatak. In that same instance, she demonstrated a mastery of Force speed. Ventress also displayed a great deal of aptitude with the Force jump, performing it frequently during her duels.

Ventress was able to use the iconic dark side power of Force Grip, as witnessed when she telekinetically lifted Captain Rex, while simultaneously choking him. Later, the Dark Jedi proved herself capable of Force choking and telekinetically levitating Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, both of whom were very powerful Jedi, at the same time. Ventress demonstrated an aptitude for using the Affect Mind ability, when she used the Force to make Rex do her bidding. It is also possible that Ventress was capable of using the power Force Crush, as she attempted to use it to crush the heart of Jedi Master Fay during their confrontation.

It should also be noted that Ventress had at least some of the more esoteric Force powers at her command. She was able to easily command a Rancor in her and Tol Skorr's hunt for Obi-Wan Kenobi and Quinlan Vos, as well as apparently re-animate dead Gungans during the Battle of Ohma-D'un.

Ventress had learned at least one trick from the Nightsisters before she had met Count Dooku: the blood trail. Using her own blood on her conquered enemies on Rattatak, she would be able to know where they went.

Ventress also displayed considerable skill in unarmed combat, notably being able to easily fight a group of Nightbrothers when she was looking for a suitable servant on Dathomir. Her hand-to-hand combat skills were later displayed when she fought Savage Opress and Darth Maul alongside Obi-Wan Kenobi, dodging Opress's aggressive blows and striking back with a flurry of punches and kicks until Kenobi returned her lightsaber to her.

WHO WINS?

Jmanghan
I THINK ASAJJ WINS THIS GUYS. I CAN HEAR YOU.

DarthChickenMan
I think Ahsoka takes this one. She has far more potential then Asajj could ever dream of having.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by DarthChickenMan
I think Ahsoka takes this one. She has far more potential then Asajj could ever dream of having. No... Asajj wins this one, especially if she really tries, Ahsoka is a Padawan, whereas Asajj has openly taken on Jedi Council Members.

DarthChickenMan
Ahsoka was able to intimidate Anakin when she fought him and Obi-Wan on Mortis. As well as outmatch him several times.

Marco1907
Asajj with ease.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by DarthChickenMan
Ahsoka was able to intimidate Anakin when she fought him and Obi-Wan on Mortis. As well as outmatch him several times.

Are you high? Ahsoka didn't "Outmatch him". He treated Ahsoka like a child in that fight, Ahsoka was not going to beat Anakin and Obi-Wan.

DarthChickenMan
watch?v=yjHN4MiJDdc Proof is in the saber.

Marco1907
So ? They were holding back against Ahsoka, Asajj fought with them while they were not holding back.

PtO1U79HSqo

DarthChickenMan
Originally posted by Marco1907
So ? They were holding back against Ahsoka, Asajj fought with them while they were not holding back.

PtO1U79HSqo

You can't prove they were holding back, Anakin got his lightsaber knocked out of his hand by her more then once. Plus, imagine what would've happened if Obi-Wan didn't come to help. Ahsoka is more powerful then you think.

Jmanghan
Mmkay, so after re-watching EVERY EPISODE IN TCW, I've concluded, that by the end of the series, this would be a stalemate. Oh, just as well, I'm adding a prep time of 2 hours.

Jmanghan
bump

Jmanghan
BUMP

|King Joker|
Ahsoka dies.

carthage
Ventress stomps

ares834
Doubt she stomps. She wins easily enough though.

Raptor22
Ventress with medium difficulty

TheNuisanceBird
Originally posted by DarthChickenMan
You can't prove they were holding back, Anakin got his lightsaber knocked out of his hand by her more then once. Plus, imagine what would've happened if Obi-Wan didn't come to help. Ahsoka is more powerful then you think.

Really? It seems pretty obvious that he was holding back. For the first several seconds of the fight he's just dodging her attacks, not even blocking them.

Jmanghan
Even today's Ahsoka?

|King Joker|
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Even today's Ahsoka? Until we see combat feats from Ahsoka in Rebels, we can't really say with much certainty.

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