Phoenix 5 vs Supermen

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maxivitopowe
Colossus
White Queen
Cyclops
Namor
Magik

Vs

Post Crisis Superman
DCNu Superman
Injustice Superman
OWAW Superman
Kingdom Come Superman

juggerman
Current Injustice Superman?

SquallX
The Supermen

Reflassshh
Supermen dominate.

Time Immemorial
House of El wins.

carver9
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I am in shock that people are voting against the 5. Complete shock. No Herald was a challenge to them, not one and the Supermen are suppose to be different? One hand enough power to stop Thor charged hammer slam with their index finger.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2437691-2417773_a_vs.x_zone_033.jpg

This should be a massacre but whatever.

Reflassshh
Good thing three supermen aren't heralds thumb up

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
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I am in shock that people are voting against the 5. Complete shock. No Herald was a challenge to them, not one and the Supermen are suppose to be different? One hand enough power to stop Thor charged hammer slam with their index finger.

This should be a massacre but whatever.

What does him being able to beat that army of superman, mind you PC supes and Injustice Supes.

carver9
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Good thing three supermen aren't heralds thumb up

Doesn't change a thing and which ones aren't Herald level?

It took almost every hero on Earth to stop just one of them. The Supermen are impressive but not that impressive.

carver9
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
What does him being able to beat that army of superman, mind you PC supes and Injustice Supes.

PC Supes? He isn't here. That's standard Supes before the reboot. The 5, every last one of them were trans tiers, high trans.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
PC Supes? He isn't here. That's standard Supes before the reboot. The 5, every last one of them were trans tiers, high trans.

PC supes, Not Pre Crisis.

And who is beating this team here, and why is Thor in this debate already. He is not even in OP.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't change a thing and which ones aren't Herald level?

It took almost every hero on Earth to stop just one of them. The Supermen are impressive but not that impressive. OWAW , KC and Injustice are at least trans.

It took the same to stop black adam in WW3, that doesn't mean he suddenly became an skyfather.

Anyway, i remember that when a phoenix host is defeated his power tranfers to the others right? That would complicate things.

JBL
Phoenix 5 stomps.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by JBL
Phoenix 5 stomps.

Without proof of them taking down trans tier supermen, you opinion is just words.

carver9
Originally posted by Reflassshh
OWAW , KC and Injustice are at least trans.

It took the same to stop black adam in WW3, that doesn't mean he suddenly became an skyfather.

Anyway, i remember that when a phoenix host is defeated his power tranfers to the others right? That would complicate things.

The heroes admitted they were holding back against Adam...same wasn't said for the 5. The heroes were fighting for their life and knew they would die. The weakest of them tanked a charged hammer hit from Thor and broke Red Hulk arm like they were tugging on a twig.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
The heroes admitted they were holding back against Adam...same wasn't said for the 5. The heroes were fighting for their life and knew they would die. The weakest of them tanked a charged hammer hit from Thor and broke Red Hulk arm like they were tugging on a twig.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2690123-1.jpg

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
The heroes admitted they were holding back against Adam...same wasn't said for the 5. The heroes were fighting for their life and knew they would die. The weakest of them tanked a charged hammer hit from Thor and broke Red Hulk arm like they were tugging on a twig.

The two strongest (and arguably, the Hell Lord, so evilest) were unable to KO Spiderman evil face

carver9
@Time...

Don't get it.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The two strongest (and arguably, the Hell Lord, so evilest) were unable to KO Spiderman evil face

mad

Admitted on panel they were holding back against Spiderman.

JBL
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Without proof of them taking down trans tier supermen, you opinion is just words. Better than a opinion that is based on someones name. We all know who you will pick yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by carver9
The heroes admitted they were holding back against Adam...same wasn't said for the 5. The heroes were fighting for their life and knew they would die. The weakest of them tanked a charged hammer hit from Thor and broke Red Hulk arm like they were tugging on a twig. How high would you rank the P5 individually?

carver9
Originally posted by Reflassshh
How high would you rank the P5 individually?

Cyclops = Mid to High trans
Emma = Mid to High trans
Colossus = Mid to High trans
Namor = Low trans
Hell Lord = Mid to High trans

I think you can make a good argument when it comes to Supes, like him being able to injure a Probe but you have to think for a sec, in the same Comic, Thor was able to injure the Phoenix Force (Phoenix Force>>>> Imperiex Probe) and he was still an insect to Cyclops with part of the force.

And honestly, none of the above matters because defeating anyone one of the members are all but one results in this happening...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/5648/2588731-cyclops_dark_phoenix.jpg

Which turns this into a massacre.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by carver9
Cyclops = Mid to High trans
Emma = Mid to High trans
Colossus = Mid to High trans
Namor = Low trans
Hell Lord = Mid to High trans

I think you can make a good argument when it comes to Supes, like him being able to injure a Probe but you have to think for a sec, in the same Comic, Thor was able to injure the Phoenix Force (Phoenix Force>>>> Imperiex Probe) and he was still an insect to Cyclops with part of the force.

And honestly, none of the above matters because defeating anyone one of the members are all but one results in this happening...

Which turns this into a massacre. The phoenix force heavily depends on the host(s). So that's proves nothing. If anything, being repelled by that six heroes team is a low showing for the force...

Going by that logic Thanos>Phoenix force because Thanos have consistently no-sold attacks from Thor confused

About the probe comment, do you think thor can take on the justice league by himself? Because that was what ONE probe was doing, later we see superman one-shotting dozens of probes thumb up

JBL
The 5 would start laughing at those probes which DD was also beating. Three of the supermen would get dropped in the first minute of the battle and in the case of flat out luck if one member of the 5 goes down, his power feeds the others, a fact that seems to be brushed aside or lack of knowledge of the 5. A little research goes a long way before choosing who you want to....... i mean who will win.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by JBL
The 5 would start laughing at those probes which DD was also beating. Three of the supermen would get dropped in the first minute of the battle and in the case of flat out luck if one member of the 5 goes down, his power feeds the others, a fact that seems to be brushed aside or lack of knowledge of the 5. A little research goes a long way before choosing who you want to....... i mean who will win.

Cept Injustice Sups, Kingdom Come and OWAW Supe would drop them instantly with taking their heads off.

carver9
Originally posted by Reflassshh
The phoenix force heavily depends on the host(s). So that's proves nothing. If anything, being repelled by that six heroes team is a low showing for the force...

Going by that logic Thanos>Phoenix force because Thanos have consistently no-sold attacks from Thor confused

About the probe comment, do you think thor can take on the justice league by himself? Because that was what ONE probe was doing, later we see superman one-shotting dozens of probes thumb up

Agreed. It does depend on the host which is the reason I ranked Namor so low and if any of them were to go down, it would most def be him first. Not worried about him becoming the main person to have the full host inside of him. The others would wreck shop if they had the entirety of the force.

It took plot to repel the host though. A plot in Wanda and Hope. Nothing short of that stood a chance except the power of a Celestial.

That's why Thanos is a trans...because of him no selling Thor attacks, depending on the way Thor is attacking. Still doesn't change what I said though, the five tanked attacks from Thor AND Hulk, something that I don't think any of the peeps they are going against can accomplish. Then, like I said, whichever 2 are standing with the force, it's a stomp. If one of them have all of the force, that makes this even worse than what it is. The Supes can't win this.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
Agreed. It does depend on the host which is the reason I ranked Namor so low and if any of them were to go down, it would most def be him first. Not worried about him becoming the main person to have the full host inside of him. The others would wreck shop if they had the entirety of the force.

It took plot to repel the host though. A plot in Wanda and Hope. Nothing short of that stood a chance except the power of a Celestial.

That's why Thanos is a trans...because of him no selling Thor attacks, depending on the way Thor is attacking. Still doesn't change what I said though, the five tanked attacks from Thor AND Hulk, something that I don't think any of the peeps they are going against can accomplish. Then, like I said, whichever 2 are standing with the force, it's a stomp. If one of them have all of the force, that makes this even worse than what it is. The Supes can't win this.

Thanos don't have speed blitz. Whats to stop these supes from speed blitzing their heads off?

Star428
Supermen kick their asses good.

maxivitopowe
I knew this would happen but I still thought that the Supes side would be less rabid

It took plot device to defeat every single one of them
Namor - plot device gun + an entire fresh team of heavy hitters

His defeat made his allies stronger

White Queen fought Thor got shattered (in diamond form) and came back and defeated Thor (this is for all those people who are saying that the Supes can take their heads off, at super speed). Oh yeah I forgot that at this point Emma had planetary + TP

Magik/Colossus - Spidey goaded them into defeating each other (this was after Magik had made a multi dimensional prison that held all the avengers heavy hitters)

Emma was strangled by Scott

The only person who was able to give DP Scott pause (before the Scarlett Witch/Hope team up) was Xavier on of the best in universe TP'ers

Also Scott pulled a Void Sentry "Stop me"

maxivitopowe
Oh God the poll results are hilarious

krisblaze
Well, can't the P5 just ress?

Reflassshh
Originally posted by carver9
That's why Thanos is a trans...because of him no selling Thor attacks, depending on the way Thor is attacking. Still doesn't change what I said though, the five tanked attacks from Thor AND Hulk, something that I don't think any of the peeps they are going against can accomplish. Then, like I said, whichever 2 are standing with the force, it's a stomp. If one of them have all of the force, that makes this even worse than what it is. The Supes can't win this. You're saying Thor and Hulk power output exceeds this team's? lol

So they win if the force ends up in a single host? iow an abstract vs 3 trans 2 heralds? I agree thumb up

I have yet to see any feat of this incarnation of the phoenix beating something beyond herald level.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
I knew this would happen but I still thought that the Supes side would be less rabid

It took plot device to defeat every single one of them
Namor - plot device gun + an entire fresh team of heavy hitters

His defeat made his allies stronger

White Queen fought Thor got shattered (in diamond form) and came back and defeated Thor (this is for all those people who are saying that the Supes can take their heads off, at super speed). Oh yeah I forgot that at this point Emma had planetary + TP

Magik/Colossus - Spidey goaded them into defeating each other (this was after Magik had made a multi dimensional prison that held all the avengers heavy hitters)

Emma was strangled by Scott

The only person who was able to give DP Scott pause (before the Scarlett Witch/Hope team up) was Xavier on of the best in universe TP'ers

Also Scott pulled a Void Sentry "Stop me" So you admit this is a spite thread?

Stoic
Have to go with the Phoenix 5 on this one. If one is taken out the others become stronger, if all but one is taken out, there is no way that the Supermen are beating a fully powered Phoenix Avatar.

maxivitopowe
No in my mind the P5 win this, but I knew other people would have a different opinion and I wanted to hear that

Stoic
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
No in my mind the P5 win this, but I knew other people would have a different opinion and I wanted to hear that

I think that the P5 are on a totally different level of power. I mean shit dude. Look at all of the powers that they have at their disposal, and the scope of those powers. This isn't Ganthet that they would be dealing with.

carver9
Emma and Cyclops was having Dinner telepathically while taking on every Hero on the planet, and they were winning.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13204088/18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13204089/19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13204090/20.jpg.html

Emma was taking on some of the most powerful beings on the planet by herself, one of those beings would beat the entire Supermen crew by herself, especially based on what she was doing during AVX.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13200916/AvsX-Zone-010.jpg.html

A blast from Cyke nearly drops Thor.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13147762/AVX-Zone-_012.jpg.html

Namor stomps the Avengers. Outright wrecks them.

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High trans ft to be honest.

carver9
Magik sword was able to cut clean through Cap shield and revert Juggercolossus back to his normal Colossus self.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12764680/AVX-Zone-9013.jpg.html

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
Magik sword was able to cut clean through Cap shield and revert Juggercolossus back to his normal Colossus self.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12764680/AVX-Zone-9013.jpg.html

Does that mean that sword is cutting through Superman? Let alone trying to land a hit on him with it.

Board Walker
Injustice Superman is Extremely High End Skyfather, his most recent showing of him is dominating an angry Spectre who had come to kill Billy.

OWAW could also potentially solo this team.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Does that mean that sword is cutting through Superman? Let alone trying to land a hit on him with it.
It does.

Ghost soldier sliced him pretty good...

carver9
Scott alone had enough power to rip through Dimensions.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12764746/AVX-9Zone-019.jpg.html

carver9
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Does that mean that sword is cutting through Superman? Let alone trying to land a hit on him with it.

confused

What kind of question is that?

Board Walker
Would you rank Scott above an Angry spectre?

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
Would you rank Scott above an Angry spectre?

Based off fts? Yes.

Board Walker
Originally posted by carver9
Based off fts? Yes.

Based off of Feats Spectre is beyond abstract

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
Based off of Feats Spectre is beyond abstract

Which ft?

Board Walker
Originally posted by carver9
Which ft?

I could post a plethora of feats showing Spectre performing multiversal feats, but last time I did that in the Pre-crisis Superman thread you didn't even respond when I showed PC Superman being immune to magic and reflecting it whenever he wanted.

Show me the feats that put Scott as a multiversal power

Reflassshh
Originally posted by carver9
Emma and Cyclops was having Dinner telepathically while taking on every Hero on the planet, and they were winning.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13204088/18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13204089/19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13204090/20.jpg.html

Emma was taking on some of the most powerful beings on the planet by herself, one of those beings would beat the entire Supermen crew by herself, especially based on what she was doing during AVX.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13200916/AvsX-Zone-010.jpg.html Who of those heroes would beat the supermen?

Emma got hurt by a sentinel and pounded by hulk. confused

Originally posted by carver9
A blast from Cyke nearly drops Thor.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13147762/AVX-Zone-_012.jpg.htmlIndeed very impressive.

Originally posted by carver9
Namor stomps the Avengers. Outright wrecks them.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12687141_AVX-Zone-_007.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12687142_AVX-Zone-_008.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12687143_AVX-Zone-_009.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12687144_AVX-Zone-_010.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12687145_AVX-Zone-_011.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12687146_AVX-Zone-_012.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12687147_AVX-Zone-_013.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12687148_AVX-Zone-_015.jpg

High trans ft to be honest. So thing breaking his nose is a high trans ft?

Wanda (bc of plot), Hulk, Strange and Thor are the only worth mentioning there, the others are clearly a tier or two below these four, making them nothing more than cannon fodder.

krisblaze
Meh, AVX was retarded writing.

The same blast that floored Thing and Thor didn't kill Hawkeye...

Couple of things I want to mention;

- Any herald can floor most other heralds with a well-placed attack. Superman or Surfer could achieve the same effect on Thor, so it's not a case of Cyclops being Trans imo.

- Supermen need to deal with telepathy. Some have great resistance feats, others do not.

carver9
Originally posted by Board Walker
I could post a plethora of feats showing Spectre performing multiversal feats, but last time I did that in the Pre-crisis Superman thread you didn't even respond when I showed PC Superman being immune to magic and reflecting it whenever he wanted.

Show me the feats that put Scott as a multiversal power

What ft does that Spectre have? I'm unsure of the fts of Spectre from the Injustice Universe. Scans please.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by krisblaze
Meh, AVX was retarded writing.

The same blast that floored Thing and Thor didn't kill Hawkeye...

Couple of things I want to mention;

- Any herald can floor most other heralds with a well-placed attack. Superman or Surfer could achieve the same effect on Thor, so it's not a case of Cyclops being Trans imo.

- Supermen need to deal with telepathy. Some have great resistance feats, others do not. Yeah i know, clops best feat was stopping mjolnir with a finger, but other feats don't support him being nearly as powerful as carv is trying to make him to be.

Actually the only superman lacking telepathy resistance feats is Injustice's

krisblaze
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Yeah i know, clops best feat was stopping mjolnir with a finger, but other feats don't support him being nearly as powerful as carv is trying to make him to be.

Actually the only superman lacking telepathy resistance feats is Injustice's
DCNU Superman wouldn't be able to defend against Emma either, imo.

riv6672
The Five take this, no matter how many holes have been looped in these 3 pages. I have voted.

Stoic
Originally posted by Board Walker
I could post a plethora of feats showing Spectre performing multiversal feats, but last time I did that in the Pre-crisis Superman thread you didn't even respond when I showed PC Superman being immune to magic and reflecting it whenever he wanted.

Show me the feats that put Scott as a multiversal power

You could do that, but what does that have to do with Superman? I'm trying to see the correlation.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Based off of Feats Spectre is beyond abstract

huh?

Board Walker
Originally posted by Stoic
You could do that, but what does that have to do with Superman? I'm trying to see the correlation.



huh?

Spectre is beyond multiversal abstract, and was recently dominated by Injustice Superman when he attempted to kill Billy.

maxivitopowe
Originally posted by Board Walker
Injustice Superman is Extremely High End Skyfather, his most recent showing of him is dominating an angry Spectre who had come to kill Billy.

OWAW could also potentially solo this team.
You're an idiot

welcome to being the first person i've put on my ignore list

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Board Walker
Spectre is beyond multiversal abstract, and was recently dominated by Injustice Superman when he attempted to kill Billy.

People been trying to cover this feat up in fear that Injustice Superman would now shit stomp all over Marvel.

Stoic
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
People been trying to cover this feat up in fear that Injustice Superman would now shit stomp all over Marvel.

Well if this is the case, and it isn't, Superman can now compete with the Living Tribunal. Is this something that you really want to believe, or could it have just been the Spectre at an extremely low level? This is not something unheard of for the Spectre after all.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Stoic
Well if this is the case, and it isn't, Superman can now compete with the Living Tribunal. Is this something that you really want to believe, or could it have just been the Spectre at an extremely low level? This is not something unheard of for the Spectre after all.

Please cause we clearly talk about LT here. laughing

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Board Walker
Spectre is beyond multiversal abstract, and was recently dominated by Injustice Superman when he attempted to kill Billy.

Spectre was dominated as you put it not by power. He believed in Superman's cause anyway. And he only didn't kill Shazam because of Superman's word.

So the fact an abstract that believes in the cause of Superman doesn't immediately accelerate him.

Stoic
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Please cause we clearly talk about LT here. laughing

Come on man let's be serious Superman would not defeat characters that operate above the physical level. The true Abstracts would dichotomize him, and place every piece of him in separate realities before he could say faster than a speeding....

carver9
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
People been trying to cover this feat up in fear that Injustice Superman would now shit stomp all over Marvel.

Him and Spectre never fought. They talked and Spectre listened to him because Spectre believes in Superman.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
Him and Spectre never fought. They talked and Spectre listened to him because Spectre believes in Superman.

Spectre isn't the guy that just backdown to people that he thinks are weaker to him. Based of Injustice feats, Superman is someone not to be trifled with, yes?

Board Walker
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Spectre was dominated as you put it not by power. He believed in Superman's cause anyway. And he only didn't kill Shazam because of Superman's word.

So the fact an abstract that believes in the cause of Superman doesn't immediately accelerate him.

That is your interpretation of it, the Spectre has never shown demonstrated to adhering to what others tell "it" to do unless they possess a degree of authority/power superior to his own.

The Spectre stated very clearly that he was going to kill Billy, and demonstrated no indication that he was going to hold back what so ever. This is further reinforced by the fact that the Spectre had just effortlessly atomized Mr. Blood (Etrigon), and no one including Dr. Fate could save him or stop the Spectre from intruding.

Lantern Superman flew out to face Spectre, and dominated him which resulted in the Spectre releasing Billy. The Spectre has never adhered to the request of others unless the Presence/a being with higher power than his own orders him to.

Injustice Superman possess either a superior degree of power to that of the Spectre, or he holds a superior degree of megaversal authority.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Stoic
Come on man let's be serious Superman would not defeat characters that operate above the physical level. The true Abstracts would dichotomize him, and place every piece of him in separate realities before he could say faster than a speeding....

True, but lets be real here, Injustice, OWAW and Kingdom come Supes and you still think they cannot win?

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Board Walker
That is your interpretation of it, the Spectre has never shown demonstrated to adhering to what others tell "it" to do unless they possess a degree of authority/power superior to his own.

The Spectre stated very clearly that he was going to kill Billy, and demonstrated no indication that he was going to hold back what so ever. This is further reinforced by the fact that the Spectre had just effortlessly atomized Mr. Blood (Etrigon).

Lantern Superman flew out to face Spectre, and dominated him verbally which resulted in the Spectre releasing Billy.

Yes he showed no indication of stopping, but he stopped when Superman asked him to stop. Comics are crazy sometimes. And the writer has decided for Spectre to say he agrees with Superman's cause.

If Spectre didn't respect him he would've squashed Billy anyway. But don't make the mistake of presuming power comes into it.

Sentry is partially under the influence of the Apocalypse twins. He was ordered about by them (albeit while following his own plans). So will you presume they are above Trans because Sentry partially follows their orders such as securing passage to Planet X? You can have people more powerful than you on a leash.

Who knows the next issue of Injustice, Supes may pull something crazy but I just think you should be careful before you make a claim.

The way you phrase your edited part means either way it's answered makes Superman stronger or more important. You can't lose no matter what answer is given. For some reason the writer made the Spectre believe that Superman's cause was righteous. Therefore he obeyed Supes and released Billy. Don't be too presumptious as of yet.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Board Walker
That is your interpretation of it, the Spectre has never shown demonstrated to adhering to what others tell "it" to do unless they possess a degree of authority/power superior to his own.

The Spectre stated very clearly that he was going to kill Billy, and demonstrated no indication that he was going to hold back what so ever. This is further reinforced by the fact that the Spectre had just effortlessly atomized Mr. Blood (Etrigon), and no one including Dr. Fate could save him or stop the Spectre from intruding.

Lantern Superman flew out to face Spectre, and dominated him which resulted in the Spectre releasing Billy. The Spectre has never adhered to the request of others unless the Presence/a being with higher power than his own orders him to.

Injustice Superman possess either a superior degree of power to that of the Spectre, or he holds a superior degree of megaversal authority.

Very well said.

carver9
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Spectre isn't the guy that just backdown to people that he thinks are weaker to him. Based of Injustice feats, Superman is someone not to be trifled with, yes?


Show me a fight.


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Where is the fight at?

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by carver9
Show me a fight.


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Where is the fight at?

Something to note as well: Spectre says he will do all in his power to protect Superman.

So why would he use his power to protect someone more powerful than him, when presumably if what others say Superman wouldn't even need his help anyway.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Star428
Supermen kick their asses good.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
Show me a fight.


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Where is the fight at?

I didn't say they fought.

Board Walker
Originally posted by carver9
Show me a fight.


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Where is the fight at?

I stated that Injustice Superman dominated the spectre, and he clearly did in that the Spectre obeyed superman instantly. Superman did not kindly ask the Spectre to release Billy, he shouted and threatened the Spectre to release him with a posture of violence. The Spectre has never adhered to the request of others unless the Presence/a being with higher power than his own orders him to.

Injustice Superman possess either a superior degree of power to that of the Spectre, or he holds a superior degree of megaversal authority.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Something to note as well: Spectre says he will do all in his power to protect Superman.

So why would he use his power to protect someone more powerful than him, when presumably if what others say Superman wouldn't even need his help anyway.

Yes but when has Spectre ever backed down to anyone?

Board Walker
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but when has Spectre ever backed down to anyone?

The spectre does not take orders from anyone, and only adheres to violent demands when his power is inferior or the other entity possess a higher degree of megversal authority.

The Spectre clearly stated "I should destroy him" this means that the Spectre's mission, and or belief was that Billy should die. Superman dominated that belief of Spectre's, and forced him to release Billy even though the Spectre wanted to kill him. The Spectre has always followed what he believes he should do, and not listened to the violent demands of others unless dwarfed in power.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but when has Spectre ever backed down to anyone?

Stop this nonsense.

The spectre is not afraid of Superman.

Even if Superman had the power to destroy him, which he does not, the spectre does not fear.

There is no point in pursuing this line of discussion further. Injustice Superman is not more powerful than the Spectre. You won't get anything out of trying to force that scene into something it was not.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but when has Spectre ever backed down to anyone?

Probably never besides from the Prescence I imagine and perhaps another being on an extremely rare occasion.

Doesn't immediately make Supes more powerful considering Spectre specifically implied he would be using all his power to protect Superman.

Superman doesn't hold a power gap over him. He holds authority linked via a cause Spectre believes in.

Board Walker
Originally posted by krisblaze
Stop this nonsense.

The spectre is not afraid of Superman.

Even if Superman had the power to destroy him, which he does not, the spectre does not fear.

The Spectre clearly stated "I should destroy him" this means that the Spectre's mission, and or belief was that Billy should die. Superman dominated that belief of Spectre's, and forced him to release Billy even though the Spectre wanted to kill him. The Spectre has always followed what he believes he should do, and not listened to the violent demands of others unless dwarfed in power.

Board Walker
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Probably never besides from the Prescence I imagine and perhaps another being on an extremely rare occasion.

Doesn't immediately make Supes more powerful considering Spectre specifically implied he would be using all his power to protect Superman.

Superman doesn't hold a power gap over him. He holds authority linked via a cause Spectre believes in.

The belief that Spectre believes in is that he should kill Billy, he states it on panel and is objective. The Spectre has always followed and done what he believes needs to be done, and does not back off from doing it unless forced to.

Superman clearly shouted and demanded that the Spectre release Billy, Superman also positioned himself into a posture of intended violence against the Spectre. The Spectre released Billy without a word, and only when told to speak by Superman did he then reply. Prior to that the Spectre's intention was to kill Billy, and if we go by continuity then he would have unless forced not to.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Board Walker
The Spectre clearly stated "I should destroy him" this means that the Spectre's mission, and or belief was that Billy should die. Superman dominated that belief of Spectre's, and forced him to release Billy even though the Spectre wanted to kill him. The Spectre has always followed what he believes he should do, and not listened to the violent demands of others unless dwarfed in power.

Or authority. Which into his case Spectre was already following Superman so when Superman demanded Billy's release as the Spectre follows Superman's cause there is no point in harming Billy.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by krisblaze
Stop this nonsense.

The spectre is not afraid of Superman.

Even if Superman had the power to destroy him, which he does not, the spectre does not fear.

There is no point in pursuing this line of discussion further. Injustice Superman is not more powerful than the Spectre. You won't get anything out of trying to force that scene into something it was not.

You clearly don't know the character or personality of Spectre.

One_Angry_Scot
And on this occasion he believed Billy should be killed. Until someone who held authority over him (Superman) demanded his release. Spectre isn't going to kill someone who he has just been ordered not too. If the spearhead of the cause he is following demands him not too why would he carry on abstract or not?



Your making huge artistic interpretations here to accentuate your position. He spoke in a demanding voice because his friend was gonna be killed. Prior to that it was until he was told not to.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Or authority. Which into his case Spectre was already following Superman so when Superman demanded Billy's release as the Spectre follows Superman's cause there is no point in harming Billy.

Why would he be wanting to kill his friends then if he was following him? Clearly he decided to do otherwise for whatever reason and he was halted and Superman brought him back on coarse?

krisblaze
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You clearly don't know the character or personality of Spectre.
Clearly, you don't.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why would he be wanting to kill his friends then if he was following him? Clearly he decided to do otherwise for whatever reason and he was halted and Superman brought him back on coarse?

Because he believed that his heart wasn't set on the same path as he said.

"I sense doubt in you"

So he was acting on what he believed would accelerate Superman's cause.

He decided to do otherwise because the figurehead of his cause made him.

Board Walker
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Or authority. Which into his case Spectre was already following Superman so when Superman demanded Billy's release as the Spectre follows Superman's cause there is no point in harming Billy.

Spectre has been ordered by a high power to follow, and or protect someone inferior to his own self before. When this occured the Spectre at no time demanded said person to come to his presence, nor did the Spectre present himself in form of intended dominance and power as he did in this case. The spectre had just destroyed half a town, killed Mr. blood and boomed across the city that Superman come to his presence immediately.

In the past the Spectre has outright killed the friends/families of those he had been ordered to protect/help, and the reason was often because they were not "innocent". Spectre outright states that Billy is not innocent and is a direct threat to the purpose he has been assigned to protect. This states very clearly that Billy is a threat to his purpose, and his mission which would mean that the Spectre's statement of killing Billy was very real.

Superman then ordering Spectre to release billy is a very rare occurrence in comics, this is because the Spectre does not heed the request of others when they conflict with his belief/mission. Going by near every appearance of Spectre in continuity he should have killed Billy regardless of what superman demanded, and the only times he has not done so is when he is dwarfed in power/authority.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Because he believed that his heart wasn't set on the same path as he said.

"I sense doubt in you"

So he was acting on what he believed would accelerate Superman's cause.

He decided to do otherwise because the figurehead of his cause made him.

I'm willing to leave it with you and Board Walker, I see it another way though. Cheers.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Board Walker
Spectre has been ordered by a high power to follow, and or protect someone inferior to his own self before. When this occured the Spectre at no time demanded said person to come to his presence, nor did the Spectre present himself in form of intended dominance and power as he did in this case. The spectre had just destroyed half a town, killed Mr. blood and boomed across the city that Superman come to his presence immediately.

In the past the Spectre has outright killed the friends/families of those he had been ordered to protect/help, and the reason was often because they were not "innocent". Spectre outright states that Billy is not innocent and is a direct threat to the purpose he has been assigned to protect. This states very clearly that Billy is a threat to his purpose, and his mission which would mean that the Spectre's statement of killing Billy was very real.

Superman then ordering Spectre to release billy is a very rare occurrence in comics, this is because the Spectre does not heed the request of others when they conflict with his belief/mission. Going by near every appearance of Spectre in continuity he should have killed Billy regardless of what superman demanded, and the only times he has not done so is when he is dwarfed in power/authority.

Spectre stated he was giving all his power to protect Superman so does that mean he is weaker or stronger?

I agree with your 2nd paragraph so I can't really make a reply there.

Like I said things happen. A writer once wrote Thanos being arrested by humans. One also wrote for Darkseid to fall down stairs and get mugged by thugs.

It happens and the writer has made this story so.

I find it really interesting. I want to see what happens next. For all we know we may find out I'm wrong next week or vice versa. Ultimately who knows.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I'm willing to leave it with you and Board Walker, I see it another way though. Cheers.

No problem.

Board Walker
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Spectre stated he was giving all his power to protect Superman so does that mean he is weaker or stronger?

I agree with your 2nd paragraph so I can't really make a reply there.

Like I said things happen. A writer once wrote Thanos being arrested by humans. One also wrote for Darkseid to fall down stairs and get mugged by thugs.

It happens and the writer has made this story so.

I find it really interesting. I want to see what happens next. For all we know we may find out I'm wrong next week or vice versa. Ultimately who knows.

The prime difference is that Injustice Superman has had nothing but high end feats, and his feats have been escalating in power rather than experiencing a bull whip effect of up and down.

First Injustice Superman dominates the high skyfather character Ganthet, and then he dominates Spectre in power/authority (questionable which). It seems entirely in line for Superman considering his feats have all been extremely high, and have demonstrated no disposition for a downward slope.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Board Walker
The prime difference is that Injustice Superman has had nothing but high end feats, and his feats have been escalating in power rather than experiencing a bull whip effect of up and down.

First Injustice Superman dominates the high skyfather character Ganthet, and then he dominates Spectre in power/authority (questionable which). It seems entirely in line for Superman considering his feats have all been extremely high, and have demonstrated no disposition for a downward slope.

Sure they have been high I agree. Gantlet and Mogo feat to name one. Don't get me wrong here I am not saying he is weak but I must think your interpreting the dialogue wrong.

Sure he hasn't shown a downward slope. And like I said next week he may pull a deus ex machina style feat and I may be wrong. But we have to wait and see.

Stoic
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
True, but lets be real here, Injustice, OWAW and Kingdom come Supes and you still think they cannot win?

You wouldn't either if you knew how powerful the Phoenix force actually is. Actually that's what might want to do. Just check out just how powerful it is, and then, if you believe that any of these Supermen are on that level, you will at least have good reason for believing this. I just don't believe that you will. We are talking about a cosmic universal force.

If one of the P5 goes down the remaining becomes more powerful, and so on. If they somehow made it to the last one, there is no chance for them.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Stoic
You wouldn't either if you knew how powerful the Phoenix force actually is. Actually that's what might want to do. Just check out just how powerful it is, and then, if you believe that any of these Supermen are on that level, you will at least have good reason for believing this. I just don't believe that you will. We are talking about a cosmic universal force.

If one of the P5 goes down the remaining becomes more powerful, and so on. If they somehow made it to the last one, there is no chance for them.

Lets be real since we friends, we know this thread is spite against Superman. I do know the power of PF.

Time Immemorial
To add, I made a thread long time ago about Phoenix 5 vs Galactus, so I know the level they on. Some of these threads today have been really anti-superman, so as a house of el member, I must make a stand against tyrannysmile

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
no expression

I am in shock that people are voting against the 5. Complete shock. No Herald was a challenge to them, not one

laughing out loud

Except Gladiator right?

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Anyway, not sure about this thread and whether it's spite or not. The P5 were very impressive, but it's been a while since I read the books, so I'm trying to recall their upper feats.

maxivitopowe
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
To add, I made a thread long time ago about Phoenix 5 vs Galactus, so I know the level they on. Some of these threads today have been really anti-superman, so as a house of el member, I must make a stand against tyrannysmile

That's disgusting

Originally posted by -Pr-
laughing out loud

Except Gladiator right?

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Anyway, not sure about this thread and whether it's spite or not. The P5 were very impressive, but it's been a while since I read the books, so I'm trying to recall their upper feats.

Did someone report this?

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by -Pr-
laughing out loud

Except Gladiator right?

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Anyway, not sure about this thread and whether it's spite or not. The P5 were very impressive, but it's been a while since I read the books, so I'm trying to recall their upper feats.

Lol, its total spite, Phoenix force is universal being/force.

-Pr-
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
That's disgusting



Did someone report this?

?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lol, its total spite, Phoenix force is universal being/force.

I'm talking about the P5, not the force as a whole. One thing I DO remember from those books is how underwhelmed I was by the power of the 5.

But if people honestly think it's spite, then I have no problem closing it.

Time Immemorial
Its exactly as Stoic said "If one of the P5 goes down the remaining becomes more powerful, and so on. If they somehow made it to the last one, there is no chance for them."

Once its down to the last host, say they wind them down the last host, its total PF universal control. Its un winnable fight.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its exactly as Stoic said "If one of the P5 goes down the remaining becomes more powerful, and so on. If they somehow made it to the last one, there is no chance for them."

Once its down to the last host, say they wind them down the last host, its total PF universal control. Its un winnable fight.

yeah, that's true. i'd honestly not considered that it would play a part in this fight.

all right, closing for spite, even if the series was shit.

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