Thanos vs Juggernaut

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Time Immemorial
No shields for either.

Flyattractor
If this takes off I could see this being a fun thread.

Sin I AM
Cain for the majority

Stoic
Thanos would beat the hell out of Cain, He has superior strength, TP, better fighting skills, and generally too durable for Cain to actually hurt with the strength that he has. I base this on Thanos' durability feats, and his ability to withstand Tyrant's strength for as long as he did, which is far above Cain's strength class. Not to mention that Cain's mind would be taken over long before he mounted any kind of offense.

krisblaze
What? Cain for the Majority?

Thanos would shit on him imo.

riv6672
Originally posted by Flyattractor
If this takes off I could see this being a fun thread.
Yes, oodles. no expression
Undecided as to the winner right now.

Bentley
Thanos can mindrape him pretty easily.

Star428
Thanos easily.

Estacado
Cain is too dumb to beat Thanos.

DarkSaint85
I would go for Thanos. Strong and durable enough to last until that helmet comes off....

golem370
Stalemate imo

One-Punch
Neither has shields?

Without his shields, Juggernaut was getting the crap beat out of him by Thor with just his fists.

Without his shields, Thanos no-sold two lightning strikes, tanked a charged hammer to the head, and nearly knocked Thor's head off with a punch, and was overpowering Thor just by powering up.

Hmmm.

h1a8
Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos would beat the hell out of Cain, He has superior strength, TP, better fighting skills, and generally too durable for Cain to actually hurt with the strength that he has. I base this on Thanos' durability feats, and his ability to withstand Tyrant's strength for as long as he did, which is far above Cain's strength class. Not to mention that Cain's mind would be taken over long before he mounted any kind of offense. Thanos doesn't have a single durability feat that shows he can't be hurt by high herald level physical force. Every showing Thanos has shows him being hurt by physical force a a herald level being.

With that said, I see Thanos winning via bfr or some exotic means. Through direct physical combat Thanos would get trashed.

h1a8
Originally posted by One-Punch
Neither has shields?

Without his shields, Juggernaut was getting the crap beat out of him by Thor with just his fists.

Without his shields, Thanos no-sold two lightning strikes, tanked a charged hammer to the head, and nearly knocked Thor's head off with a punch, and was overpowering Thor just by powering up.

Hmmm. you are using the classic lowball highball routine. Using Juggs low showings against Thanos high ones.

First, The hammer strike affected Thanos. Just because it didn't knock him out doesn't mean Juggs can't.

Second, Lightning (energy projection) is irrelevant since Thanos has always been affected by herald level physical force.

Third, Juggs durability is not always tied to a force field. Some writers wrote Juggs without one. That means you just can't use 1 specific instance (a low one) over other instances.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
you are using the classic lowball highball routine. Using Juggs low showings against Thanos high ones.

First, The hammer strike affected Thanos. Just because it didn't knock him out doesn't mean Juggs can't.

Second, Lightning (energy projection) is irrelevant since Thanos has always been affected by herald level physical force.

Third, Juggs durability is not always tied to a force field. Some writers wrote Juggs without one. That means you just can't use 1 specific instance (a low one) over other instances.

No he isn't he's just citing the time that Cain did not have any shields, and was beaten down. The stips of this thread prohibits shields.


Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos doesn't have a single durability feat that shows he can't be hurt by high herald level physical force. Every showing Thanos has shows him being hurt by physical force a a herald level being.

With that said, I see Thanos winning via bfr or some exotic means. Through direct physical combat Thanos would get trashed.

Evidence points to him actually having the durability to tank more than high Herald hits though. I mean what happened when he actually took hits from Thor in possession of the Power Gem? Thor actually planted one right on his face, which only made Thanos' nose bleed. I also noticed that this isn't limited to a fist fight.

carver9
Thanos wins

One-Punch
Originally posted by Stoic
No he isn't he's just citing the time that Cain did not have any shields, and was beaten down. The stips of this thread prohibits shields.




Evidence points to him actually having the durability to tank more than high Herald hits though. I mean what happened when he actually took hits from Thor in possession of the Power Gem? Thor actually planted one right on his face, which only made Thanos' nose bleed. I also noticed that this isn't limited to a fist fight.

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Thor with his fists vs. Juggernaut without shields:

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Juggernaut gets the crap beat out of him. It even states Juggs was moments away from losing until his shields came back on.

Now compare that this to how Thanos manhandled Thor, and held his own against insane PG Thor.

h1a8
Originally posted by Stoic
No he isn't he's just citing the time that Cain did not have any shields, and was beaten down. The stips of this thread prohibits shields.




Evidence points to him actually having the durability to tank more than high Herald hits though. I mean what happened when he actually took hits from Thor in possession of the Power Gem? Thor actually planted one right on his face, which only made Thanos' nose bleed. I also noticed that this isn't limited to a fist fight. Juggs has been written without shields numerous times by various writers. Only some writers wrote the source of Juggs durability been his force field.

So he used only 1 instance (a low one). Other instances have Juggs tanking shit without a force field.

PG Thor hurt Thanos and wasn't even more than twice as strong as his normal self. IMO Juggs is stronger than Thor. Thor is just faster and can fight better.

h1a8
Originally posted by One-Punch
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Thor with his fists vs. Juggernaut without shields:

http://s11.postimg.org/5ba0a419b/Thorvs_Juggernaut10.jpghttp://s11.postimg.org/yf2tk3eqn/Thorvs_Juggernaut11.jpg

Juggernaut gets the crap beat out of him. It even states Juggs was moments away from losing until his shields came back on.

Now compare that this to how Thanos manhandled Thor, and held his own against insane PG Thor. that 1 instance doesn't define Juggs. there are other instances where he was just as durable with shields than without by implication (when he wasn't written with shields).

There are at least two versions of Juggs without a force field.

Anyway Thanos wins by exotic means. A physical fight would favor Cain.

One-Punch
Thor went physical with Thanos when his lightning failed, look what happened:

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Juggs would get crushed even worse.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
Juggs has been written without shields numerous times by various writers. Only some writers wrote the source of Juggs durability been his force field.

So he used only 1 instance (a low one). Other instances have Juggs tanking shit without a force field.

PG Thor hurt Thanos and wasn't even more than twice as strong as his normal self. IMO Juggs is stronger than Thor. Thor is just faster and can fight better.

Okay first of all you can't prove how strong the Power Gem made Thor. Since it's obvious that you're stuck on this outlook, don't be surprised when no one agrees with it. No proof equals no go.

Cain has also been shown to have varying degrees of power. On average, and not low or extremely high, he has never shown the kind of strength that you suggest that he has. Thanos was hit by Tyrant, and Tyrant was portrayed to be far above the High Herald strength tier, or anything else within that tier. One-Punch just showed what Cain is without his freakish armor, and he's about Wonder Man level. If another art team was in control of the scene you wouldn't have seen shields, you would have just seen Thor negating a portion of Cain's powers, and still getting the tar beaten out of him. Ignore this if you want, but it won't change that Cain would be wrecked if he fought Thanos. And that's with or without shields.

riv6672
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos doesn't have a single durability feat that shows he can't be hurt by high herald level physical force. Every showing Thanos has shows him being hurt by physical force a a herald level being.

With that said, I see Thanos winning via bfr or some exotic means. Through direct physical combat Thanos would get trashed.
This sounds right.

Juggernaut wins.

KingD19
Thor went physical with Cain without forcefields during the Octessence/Exemplar arc. Cain tanked a full force Mjolnir hit and laughed it off. He would have beaten Thor pretty bad if not for him getting teleported away by the demons to meet the other Avatar's.

Stoic
Originally posted by KingD19
Thor went physical with Cain without forcefields during the Octessence/Exemplar arc. Cain tanked a full force Mjolnir hit and laughed it off. He would have beaten Thor pretty bad if not for him getting teleported away by the demons to meet the other Avatar's.

Are you sure that his invulnerability was turned off during that fight? That was also not an average Juggernaut during the 7th and 8th day arc.

h1a8
Originally posted by Stoic
Okay first of all you can't prove how strong the Power Gem made Thor. Since it's obvious that you're stuck on this outlook, don't be surprised when no one agrees with it. No proof equals no go.

Cain has also been shown to have varying degrees of power. On average, and not low or extremely high, he has never shown the kind of strength that you suggest that he has. Thanos was hit by Tyrant, and Tyrant was portrayed to be far above the High Herald strength tier, or anything else within that tier. One-Punch just showed what Cain is without his freakish armor, and he's about Wonder Man level. If another art team was in control of the scene you wouldn't have seen shields, you would have just seen Thor negating a portion of Cain's powers, and still getting the tar beaten out of him. Ignore this if you want, but it won't change that Cain would be wrecked if he fought Thanos. And that's with or without shields. I don't know how strong Thor was but I do know how strong he wasn't. He wasn't more than 2x stronger than normal.

Getting hit by a stronger and not being koed doesn't prove a thing. Batman, cap, Superman, and almost everyone in comics has been hit by stronger beings and not been koed. Thanos was affected is all that matters.

Tyrant isn't stronger than any herald. He isn't stronger than Superman (who is the strongest herald).
Wonder Man IMO is slightly above Thor strength wise.

Yet Juggs doesn't always have a forcefield as the source of his awesome durability.

tkitna
Originally posted by h1a8

Tyrant isn't stronger than any herald. He isn't stronger than Superman (who is the strongest herald).
Wonder Man IMO is slightly above Thor strength wise.



Tyrant, who is just a slight notch below Galactus isn't as strong as Superman or any herald for that matter?

laughing

-Pr-
Originally posted by h1a8
Getting hit by a stronger and not being koed doesn't prove a thing. Batman, cap, Superman, and almost everyone in comics has been hit by stronger beings and not been koed. Thanos was affected is all that matters.

PIS/CIS happens all the time.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know how strong Thor was but I do know how strong he wasn't. He wasn't more than 2x stronger than normal.

Getting hit by a stronger and not being koed doesn't prove a thing. Batman, cap, Superman, and almost everyone in comics has been hit by stronger beings and not been koed. Thanos was affected is all that matters.

Tyrant isn't stronger than any herald. He isn't stronger than Superman (who is the strongest herald).
Wonder Man IMO is slightly above Thor strength wise.

Yet Juggs doesn't always have a forcefield as the source of his awesome durability.

Your claim was that Thanos had never tanked a High Herald's physical blow. I simply showed you that you may have been in error. Actually you are in error, because Thor is physically High Herald in strength, and even if he were only 2x his base (which is still unproven) it shows Thanos tanking his hit, and only getting a nose bleed from it. Thor has proven that he has planetary strength, which places him at the High Herald level in terms of physical strength.

Tyrant was written to be a near equal of a fed Galactus. Superman is not in his weight class. Don't kid yourself.

Cain has either been artistically portrayed as having a force field to emphasize his invulnerability, or not to have one. But there has always been a constant, and that constant is that he has always been portrayed as having a certain amount of invulnerability. Thor cut off his invulnerability, and we saw exactly how strong he was. If you gave Wonder Man Cain's enchantment at his strength level, he would be just as great of a threat as Cain. This does not mean that he has no limit to the amount that he can lift.

When he was running with the Ultraverse characters, we saw just how strong he was, and it wasn't planetary level strength, when he was trapped in cement by Spider Man, he did not show planetary level strength, when he was trapped beneath a mountain for quite a long time, he did not show that he had planetary level strength. Cain has weaknesses, because lets face it, if he was as strong as the Hulk, or Superman are, there really would be nothing that could stop him short of huge doses of PIS.

As for not being KO'd by more powerful forces. Tyrant easily put High Herald characters out, and he wasn't trying. The only thing that hurt him for a brief moment was the Spinster's weapon that was stated to be made specifically to hurt him.

If the Juggernaut's force field is being turned off in the OP, this just means that his freakish invulnerability is turned off, but he would still retain the durability of a character of his strength level has. This would roughly equate to Wonder Man (Simon Williams, not Diana Prince).

deathslash
Originally posted by One-Punch
Thor went physical with Thanos when his lightning failed, look what happened:

http://s16.postimg.org/4pd9wcy9d/Thanos_1.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/6ig6kojg1/Thanos2.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/ia41vhe29/Thanos3.jpghttp://s16.postimg.org/54ojpdk6p/Thanos4.jpg

Juggs would get crushed even worse. are you seriously saying that thanos takes this fight in a stomp when just last week he was getting his shit pushed in by nova, drax, and starlord?

One-Punch
Originally posted by KingD19
Thor went physical with Cain without forcefields during the Octessence/Exemplar arc. Cain tanked a full force Mjolnir hit and laughed it off. He would have beaten Thor pretty bad if not for him getting teleported away by the demons to meet the other Avatar's.
You mean 8th Day Juggernaught who was considerably amped?

Originally posted by deathslash
are you seriously saying that thanos takes this fight in a stomp when just last week he was getting his shit pushed in by nova, drax, and starlord?
Yeah one team having a COSMIC CUBE really does make it one-sided.

Stoic
Originally posted by deathslash
are you seriously saying that thanos takes this fight in a stomp when just last week he was getting his shit pushed in by nova, drax, and starlord?

Thanos was also being assaulted by a Cosmic Cube unit. you can't forget that part.

Space M ummy
Terrible matchup. Juggernaut gets beaten down pretty quickly.

The Thanos that "was getting his shit pushed in" was fighting a Nova with the full power of the nova force, drax, and starlord with a cosmic cube 3 on 1- and those three would just regenerate if killed (which starlord was, right away), so not quite a normal fight for them.

He then went on to solo the cancerverse Avengers- Ms. Marvel, Giant Man, Cap, Quasar, Scarlet Witch, Thor, Captain Marvel(?), and Iron man armed with a cosmic cube all at the same time and won.

No way does juggernaut win that, shields or no.

Thanos is just too versatile, and Juggernaut is insanely weak to TP. Thanos mind wiped a herald and a cube being back during annihilation. This fight lasts exactly as long as it takes for Thanos to get the helmet off, after that it's lights out.

One-Punch
Originally posted by Space M ummy
He then went on to solo the cancerverse Avengers- Ms. Marvel, Giant Man, Cap, Quasar, Scarlet Witch, Thor, Captain Marvel(?), and Iron man armed with a cosmic cube all at the same time and won.

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That was Lord Mar-Vell, the same guy who stomped Surfer and Nova Prime, and nearly killed all the Annihilators with a giant blast.

Thanos beating him and his Revengers (who also held the CC) is a pretty damn good showing. Even if it was written by that turd Bendis.

h1a8
Originally posted by tkitna
Tyrant, who is just a slight notch below Galactus isn't as strong as Superman or any herald for that matter?

laughing tyrant is far below Galactus. Tyrant can only fight Galactus because of draining him. Without that Galactus would shit stomp him.

What are Galactus strength feats? What are tyrants strength feats. I don't recall Tyrant wrestling with Galactus in a test of strength. A energy blast war doesn't prove strength.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
tyrant is far below Galactus. Tyrant can only fight Galactus because of draining him. Without that Galactus would shit stomp him.

What are Galactus strength feats? What are tyrants strength feats. I don't recall Tyrant wrestling with Galactus in a test of strength. A energy blast war doesn't prove strength.

Except for the fact that Galactus made Tyrant to be his near equal, and Galactus after feeding slapped him through a bulkhead, to nearly no effect. This goes a long way to show that he was strong enough to stave off being KO'd. A weakened Galactus punched King Thor through the future planet Earth, and did a lot more damage than he did to Tyrant. You really have to pay closer attention to how Tyrant was written, and what threat level he actually was, which was stated several times. Tests of strength feats aren't the end all and be all. Context goes a long way in establishing just how powerful characters actually are.

h1a8
Originally posted by Stoic
Your claim was that Thanos had never tanked a High Herald's physical blow. I simply showed you that you may have been in error. Actually you are in error, because Thor is physically High Herald in strength, and even if he were only 2x his base (which is still unproven) it shows Thanos tanking his hit, and only getting a nose bleed from it. Thor has proven that he has planetary strength, which places him at the High Herald level in terms of physical strength.

Tyrant was written to be a near equal of a fed Galactus. Superman is not in his weight class. Don't kid yourself.

Cain has either been artistically portrayed as having a force field to emphasize his invulnerability, or not to have one. But there has always been a constant, and that constant is that he has always been portrayed as having a certain amount of invulnerability. Thor cut off his invulnerability, and we saw exactly how strong he was. If you gave Wonder Man Cain's enchantment at his strength level, he would be just as great of a threat as Cain. This does not mean that he has no limit to the amount that he can lift.

When he was running with the Ultraverse characters, we saw just how strong he was, and it wasn't planetary level strength, when he was trapped in cement by Spider Man, he did not show planetary level strength, when he was trapped beneath a mountain for quite a long time, he did not show that he had planetary level strength. Cain has weaknesses, because lets face it, if he was as strong as the Hulk, or Superman are, there really would be nothing that could stop him short of huge doses of PIS.

As for not being KO'd by more powerful forces. Tyrant easily put High Herald characters out, and he wasn't trying. The only thing that hurt him for a brief moment was the Spinster's weapon that was stated to be made specifically to hurt him.

If the Juggernaut's force field is being turned off in the OP, this just means that his freakish invulnerability is turned off, but he would still retain the durability of a character of his strength level has. This would roughly equate to Wonder Man (Simon Williams, not Diana Prince). You and I have a different definition of Tank. My view of Tank is to no sell an attack. Thanos never did such a thing. I don't care if Thanos wasn't koed, he was still affected. that proves he can be affected by herald level force. Even if he had one showing of no selling a high herald (he doesn't) then it wouldn't hold much water since Thanos has been affected many many times by high heralds or lower in his entire career. Just look at his history.

You are making Thanos into something he is not. We go by feats and not speculation.

I'm for the Juggs who is invulnerable without the forcefield, as per some writers. That's the one I'm arguing. Mentioning Juggs low showings doesn't measure his strength. We seen Juggs overpowering Hulk with ease, matching WWH in strength, about to crush the living hell out of Thor, etc. Juggs is very strong. He has always affected Heralds with his attacks.

h1a8
Originally posted by Stoic
Except for the fact that Galactus made Tyrant to be his near equal, and Galactus after feeding slapped him through a bulkhead, to nearly no effect. This goes a long way to show that he was strong enough to stave off being KO'd. A weakened Galactus punched King Thor through the future planet Earth, and did a lot more damage than he did to Tyrant. You really have to pay closer attention to how Tyrant was written, and what threat level he actually was, which was stated several times. Tests of strength feats aren't the end all and be all. Context goes a long way in establishing just how powerful characters actually are. you perception is twisted. Someone slapping someone around with no visible effect doesn't mean anything. Was Galactus supposed to one shot ko him or kill him? I would have a hard time seeing Galactus do that to a herald.


This is comics. You have to prove strength by feats. I'm not going to accept your opinion of how strong Galactus is without proof.

With that said, I can name many instances of characters being hit around and not being visibly damaged.

I go by what happens him comics to form an opinion, not what I believe should be the case.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
you perception is twisted. Someone slapping someone around with no visible effect doesn't mean anything. Was Galactus supposed to one shot ko him or kill him? I would have a hard time seeing Galactus do that to a herald.


This is comics. You have to prove strength by feats. I'm not going to accept your opinion of how strong Galactus is without proof.

With that said, I can name many instances of characters being hit around and not being visibly damaged.

I go by what happens him comics to form an opinion, not what I believe should be the case.

You clearly don't go by what happens in comics or we wouldn't be debating whether or not Tyrant was a Herald. Galactus never made him to be a Herald, he was made to be nearly as powerful as Galactus. What next? You going to convince yourself that Galactus is a Herald as well? I wouldn't be surprised since you have said in the past that Odin had less than high Herald strength. This seems to be where this is taking us. It also has nothing to do with Thanos beating the mess out of Cain.

tkitna
Originally posted by h1a8

This is comics. You have to prove strength by feats. I'm not going to accept your opinion of how strong Galactus is without proof.


So if Galactus isn't heaving up some great weight in a comic, it must be assumed he's weaker then hearlds (although he creates them with a gnats hair of his power) correct? In your mind if skyfathers and beings of that ilk don't display physical feats on panel, to hell with common sense. You come up with some doozies on a day to day basis, but Superman being stronger then Galactus might be your wildest one yet.

h1a8
Originally posted by tkitna
So if Galactus isn't heaving up some great weight in a comic, it must be assumed he's weaker then hearlds (although he creates them with a gnats hair of his power) correct? In your mind if skyfathers and beings of that ilk don't display physical feats on panel, to hell with common sense. You come up with some doozies on a day to day basis, but Superman being stronger then Galactus might be your wildest one yet. I'm not assuming anything, you guys are.
galactic could be a billion times stronger than Silver Surfer or just 2x stronger. Hell if I know. But one thing is for certain, you can't make claims without proof.

Do I believe non holding back high end Superman is stronger than Galactus? Hell yes! Do I believe Galactus is stronger than Thor? Yes.

Galactus, nor his heralds, has done nothing to prove that they are remotely as strong as Superman.

You want to use common sense? Ok let's play that game then.
In comics, it is stated that Surfer has 1% of Galactus power. Well by feats Superman is more than 100 times stronger than Surfer. You know the conclusion.

h1a8
Originally posted by Stoic
You clearly don't go by what happens in comics or we wouldn't be debating whether or not Tyrant was a Herald. Galactus never made him to be a Herald, he was made to be nearly as powerful as Galactus. What next? You going to convince yourself that Galactus is a Herald as well? I wouldn't be surprised since you have said in the past that Odin had less than high Herald strength. This seems to be where this is taking us. It also has nothing to do with Thanos beating the mess out of Cain. galactic did make Tyrant to be a herald. A herald is just a name or duty anyway. It has no bearing on anything.

Odin has high herald level strength. Not more. Remember, superman is a lot stronger than most characters. A lot stronger.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
You and I have a different definition of Tank. My view of Tank is to no sell an attack. Thanos never did such a thing. I don't care if Thanos wasn't koed, he was still affected. that proves he can be affected by herald level force. Even if he had one showing of no selling a high herald (he doesn't) then it wouldn't hold much water since Thanos has been affected many many times by high heralds or lower in his entire career. Just look at his history.

You are making Thanos into something he is not. We go by feats and not speculation.

I'm for the Juggs who is invulnerable without the forcefield, as per some writers. That's the one I'm arguing. Mentioning Juggs low showings doesn't measure his strength. We seen Juggs overpowering Hulk with ease, matching WWH in strength, about to crush the living hell out of Thor, etc. Juggs is very strong. He has always affected Heralds with his attacks.

Tanking and no selling are two different things. Thanos has tanked High Herald physical assaults. He may not have no sold them.

As for the Juggernaut being used in this thread, you have to first understand the nature of his invulnerability, and how it effects him, and his opponents. Cain can use all of his strength without undermining his natural durability, unlike those that are not enchanted like he is. Wonder Man may only be able to use 50-60% of his full strength while battling a character that is more durable than he is. But when he is more durable, he can use more of a percentage of his strength. Cain does not have this problem, or better put, his damage threshold is much greater than Wonder Man's due to his increased durability.

If you took away the enchantment that grants Cain his freakish magical armor, he would still possess the durability that a character of his strength level would have, which would be roughly as durable as Wonder Man, or perhaps even lower judging by how easily Thor beat him up, which began to cause bruising, soon to become bleeding.

When Cain fights the Hulk, the same theory applies. The Hulk may be stronger, in terms of lifting, but Cain's magical nature makes him more durable, which effectively stymies the Hulk's advantage only allowing him to use a percentage of his strength against Cain, or he will risk suffering damage. Try it. Punch a brick wall, or bite a piece of steel with all of your might. You get it? Now give the Hulk Adamantium gloves with sufficient cushioning for his knuckles, and his punching power will increase dramatically.

Cain in this thread as I understand it, will only be relying on his durability without the magical enchantment that allows for him his high level of invulnerability. Let's just see if Time Immemorial
agrees with what I just wrote.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
galactic did make Tyrant to be a herald. A herald is just a name or duty anyway. It has no bearing on anything.

Odin has high herald level strength. Not more. Remember, superman is a lot stronger than most characters. A lot stronger.

Wrong.

In the distant past, the devourer of worlds, Galactus, created an immensely powerful living machine: Tyrant. However, unlike his creator, Tyrant developed a lust for tyranny and conquest that directly conflicted with Galactus' desire to do only what is necessary to survive. Tyrant's conquests aroused opposition in many forms including an order of super-powered female warriors called the Spinsterhood, of which Ganymede was a member.

Eventually, Galactus learned of Tyrant's betrayal and engaged him in a titanic battle that unleashed energies that (according to Thanos) destroyed whole galaxies.

In the end, Galactus barely defeated Tyrant, stripped him of the bulk of his power (thereby reducing him to his current stature and power levels), and banished him to the farthest corners of the universe. The Spinsters mistakenly believed they were responsible for driving Tyrant away, when in fact it was his defeat and depowerment at the hands of Galactus that had done so, as Ganymede later learned.

Tyrant was never a Herald of Galactus.

Odin can amplify his strength, which is something that you can't seem to grasp. When he does this, his strength becomes far greater than any Herald level character.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by deathslash
are you seriously saying that thanos takes this fight in a stomp when just last week he was getting his shit pushed in by nova, drax, and starlord? you did know that took place at the end of imperative right. Good of you to ignore the fact the only did some damage after they'd attacked Thanos with the cube.

krisblaze
This is a spite thread.

Juggernaut's outclassed here.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Stoic
Wrong.

In the distant past, the devourer of worlds, Galactus, created an immensely powerful living machine: Tyrant. However, unlike his creator, Tyrant developed a lust for tyranny and conquest that directly conflicted with Galactus' desire to do only what is necessary to survive. Tyrant's conquests aroused opposition in many forms including an order of super-powered female warriors called the Spinsterhood, of which Ganymede was a member.

Eventually, Galactus learned of Tyrant's betrayal and engaged him in a titanic battle that unleashed energies that (according to Thanos) destroyed whole galaxies.

In the end, Galactus barely defeated Tyrant, stripped him of the bulk of his power (thereby reducing him to his current stature and power levels), and banished him to the farthest corners of the universe. The Spinsters mistakenly believed they were responsible for driving Tyrant away, when in fact it was his defeat and depowerment at the hands of Galactus that had done so, as Ganymede later learned.

Tyrant was never a Herald of Galactus.

Odin can amplify his strength, which is something that you can't seem to grasp. When he does this, his strength becomes far greater than any Herald level character. I wouldn't bother with h1 anymore if I was you. I've challenged him loads of times to prove the whole PG Thor was no more 2x stronger than normal. I've given evidence proving he was stronger but he's just ignores it repeating the same thing.

riv6672
Is spite thread calling the new troll now?

Juggernaut's hardly out classed. Some very good points have been made in his favor, they're just being ignored.

tkitna
Originally posted by h1a8

Do I believe non holding back high end Superman is stronger than Galactus? Hell yes! Do I believe Galactus is stronger than Thor? Yes.


And this is why you have zero credibility on these boards. Your world only makes sense to you.

krisblaze
Originally posted by riv6672
Is spite thread calling the new troll now?

Juggernaut's hardly out classed. Some very good points have been made in his favor, they're just being ignored.
It's spite because Juggernaut simply doesn't have a chance.

It's not like Thanos won't use his powers...he's Thanos...

riv6672
Like i said, ignoring arguments.

That doesnt make a thread spiteful, it makes posters biased.

Insane Titan
Irony

Estacado
Anyone who says Cain has a chance is a moron.
I used to be one of the most biased Juggernaut fans when I joined in 2005.


He is simply too dumb to beat Thanos he can just knock of his helmet off and mindrape him.

riv6672
I'm going to be a smart poster and ignore that remark. wink

krisblaze
Originally posted by KingD19
Thor went physical with Cain without forcefields during the Octessence/Exemplar arc. Cain tanked a full force Mjolnir hit and laughed it off. He would have beaten Thor pretty bad if not for him getting teleported away by the demons to meet the other Avatar's.

lolwat.

- Exemplar arc was full of PIS.

- Thor had just gotten out of TWO FIGHTS when he fought Cain.

- Enrakt was weakening Mjolnir at the time.

So not only was a "full force mjolnir" hit all that much, but at the time Cain was depicted without a forcefield. Even when Cain was tapping into the limits of his powers during that arc, there was no indication of there being any forcefield.

deathslash
Originally posted by Insane Titan
you did know that took place at the end of imperative right. Good of you to ignore the fact the only did some damage after they'd attacked Thanos with the cube. I wasn't trying to lowball. I was making a point about everyone having a low showing and therefore using juggernaut getting beaten down by Thor as the norm is ridiculous. Juggernaut getting beaten down by Thor isn't his normal level of power and so is thanos getting wrecked by nova, drax, and starlord.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by deathslash
I wasn't trying to lowball. I was making a point about everyone having a low showing and therefore using juggernaut getting beaten down by Thor as the norm is ridiculous. Juggernaut getting beaten down by Thor isn't his normal level of power and so is thanos getting wrecked by nova, drax, and starlord. but that was your point as that how you work.

It just so happens that the point you're trying to use is them using a item of great power

deathslash
Originally posted by Insane Titan
but that was your point as that how you work.

It just so happens that the point you're trying to use is them using a item of great power dude, he still got rocked by nova and drax. I highly doubt that a nearly depowered cosmic cube could inflict enough damage for characters that are leagues below him to suddenly be able to floor him (especially when he's taken blasts from the likes of Odin, the beyonder, and galactus). Regards of how you would like to spin it; it was still a low showing for thanos. Maybe a better example would have been him losing to squirrel girl? Either way though, you get the point that I was trying to make.

Estacado
What is the exact power output of a nearly depowered cosmic cube?haermm

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Stoic
Tanking and no selling are two different things. Thanos has tanked High Herald physical assaults. He may not have no sold them.

As for the Juggernaut being used in this thread, you have to first understand the nature of his invulnerability, and how it effects him, and his opponents. Cain can use all of his strength without undermining his natural durability, unlike those that are not enchanted like he is. Wonder Man may only be able to use 50-60% of his full strength while battling a character that is more durable than he is. But when he is more durable, he can use more of a percentage of his strength. Cain does not have this problem, or better put, his damage threshold is much greater than Wonder Man's due to his increased durability.

If you took away the enchantment that grants Cain his freakish magical armor, he would still possess the durability that a character of his strength level would have, which would be roughly as durable as Wonder Man, or perhaps even lower judging by how easily Thor beat him up, which began to cause bruising, soon to become bleeding.

When Cain fights the Hulk, the same theory applies. The Hulk may be stronger, in terms of lifting, but Cain's magical nature makes him more durable, which effectively stymies the Hulk's advantage only allowing him to use a percentage of his strength against Cain, or he will risk suffering damage. Try it. Punch a brick wall, or bite a piece of steel with all of your might. You get it? Now give the Hulk Adamantium gloves with sufficient cushioning for his knuckles, and his punching power will increase dramatically.

Cain in this thread as I understand it, will only be relying on his durability without the magical enchantment that allows for him his high level of invulnerability. Let's just see if Time Immemorial
agrees with what I just wrote.

Yea you make a great point. The arguments have varied a lot for Thanos and Juggs with shields etc. Some have written him with shields, and without but still he has always had his uber durability. Many arguments I noticed heavy relied on his shielding. However he still has insane durability from his armor.

juggerman
Juggernaut wrecks this chump!!!!! eek!

Insane Titan
Originally posted by deathslash
dude, he still got rocked by nova and drax. I highly doubt that a nearly depowered cosmic cube could inflict enough damage for characters that are leagues below him to suddenly be able to floor him (especially when he's taken blasts from the likes of Odin, the beyonder, and galactus). Regards of how you would like to spin it; it was still a low showing for thanos. Maybe a better example would have been him losing to squirrel girl? Either way though, you get the point that I was trying to make. the whole Depowered cube thing got dismissed since it was stated to be that way back in Imperative ignition and has been used loads since. You again fail to realise their attacks had no real effect up untill Thanos got blasted by the cube.

Use squirrel girl all you want it only makes you look more desperate if you think using a joke character who's unbeaten anyway and achieved the win off panel.

carver9
Originally posted by deathslash
dude, he still got rocked by nova and drax. I highly doubt that a nearly depowered cosmic cube could inflict enough damage for characters that are leagues below him to suddenly be able to floor him (especially when he's taken blasts from the likes of Odin, the beyonder, and galactus). Regards of how you would like to spin it; it was still a low showing for thanos. Maybe a better example would have been him losing to squirrel girl? Either way though, you get the point that I was trying to make.

Drax vs Thanos. Drax is matching him. At one point, he has the advantage.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827119/vs5.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827120/vs6.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827122/vs7.jpg.html

Nova then steps in and temp drops him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827125/vs8.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827128/vs9.jpg.html

I agree with everything you've said.

krisblaze
Originally posted by deathslash
I wasn't trying to lowball. I was making a point about everyone having a low showing and therefore using juggernaut getting beaten down by Thor as the norm is ridiculous. Juggernaut getting beaten down by Thor isn't his normal level of power and so is thanos getting wrecked by nova, drax, and starlord.
Are you serious?

Juggernaut fighting Thor is way up there with Juggernaut's highest feats no expression

A low feat is him and Tom getting absolutely pissed on by Cyclops.

Insane Titan
What a suprise carver posts scans leaving everything out, it's like he's not bothered thst ppl think he's a moronic troll.

basilisk
There is nothing Thanos could do with his physical or blast attacks that would really hurt Juggs much, though Juggs might get bounced around a bit. And Juggernaut's strength and unstoppability would be enough to give Thanos a fight.

Without BFR or prep I could see a stalemate or maybe Cain could in theory wear Thanos down after a VERY long fight. But as others have said, Cain isn't very smart - I can see him somehow letting the helmet get ripped off and then Thanos could use his TP to get the win.

It's the helmet weakness that will most likely lose this.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Insane Titan
What a suprise carver posts scans leaving everything out, it's like he's not bothered thst ppl think he's a moronic troll.

Its quiet odd he leaves out the actual scans showing whats going on.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its quiet odd he leaves out the actual scans showing whats going on. he just cheerleads others argument with even knowing what's going on lol

carver9
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its quiet odd he leaves out the actual scans showing whats going on.

Stop time, just stop. Here is what happened before that. Thanos gets punched by Starlord with the cube (how much power is in a punch with a human punching you with the cube) and Nova Prime. Then he gets blasted (mine you, the cube is depleted and nothing has been proven otherwise going against this).

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827112/vs3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827116/vs4.jpg.html

He gets up without any damage at all...was smiling in one panel. No speech blurs, nothing. He was alright after the attack. THEN the scans I posted above in my previous post is what happens next. Dont be a follower Time Immemorial. I know it looks cool bashing people (which is what Insane does) but it makes you or whoever doing it look foolish and childish.

Insane Titan
So carvers proof is nova blast sing the floor haha what a clown.

He will ignore Novas first blast being casually stopped by Thanos hand, only after Thanos gets blasted by the cube does nova have some effect.

On the subject of the cube have no so called power left, it sure seemed to do all the way back from imperative ignition firing several blasts all the way to the end of the imperative story line itself

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
Stop time, just stop. Here is what happened before that. Thanos gets punched by Starlord with the cube (how much power is in a punch with a human punching you with the cube) and Nova Prime. Then he gets blasted (mine you, the cube is depleted and nothing has been proven otherwise going against this).

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827112/vs3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19827116/vs4.jpg.html

He gets up without any damage at all...was smiling in one panel. No speech blurs, nothing. He was alright after the attack. THEN the scans I posted above in my previous post is what happens next. Dont be a follower Time Immemorial. I know it looks cool bashing people (which is what Insane does) but it makes you or whoever doing it look foolish and childish.

Wow way to blow things out of proportion, you left scans out, I made a comment about that.

carver9
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Wow way to blow things out of proportion, you left scans out, I made a comment about that.

I dont need to post the entire comic to prove my point. I'm guessing that is what you are asking for. If you looked at the scans, you would have seen that Thanos wasn't damaged at all before confronting them. Then, thats all you had to do was ask me for the previous scans and I would've posted it instead of insulting someone. Dont let these internet bullies rub off on you. Doesn't look good and thats all it leads to is whoever getting banned.

Time Immemorial
Ok so you gonna say cause Nova could blast him that has anything to do with this fight? Um where is Juggs projection powers?? To add Thanos laughed off Thors lightning.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ok so you gonna say cause Nova could blast him that has anything to do with this fight? Um where is Juggs projection powers?? To add Thanos laughed off Thors lightning. try not to correct carver and expose him too much or he will cry and call you a bully

carver9
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ok so you gonna say cause Nova could blast him that has anything to do with this fight? Um where is Juggs projection powers?? To add Thanos laughed off Thors lightning.

I said Thanos wins this. I posted that because I agreed with someone who brought that scene up.

Also, tanking Thor lightning isnt the same as tanking punches from an elite like Juggernaut.

Time Immemorial
Carver you are damn impossible to debate with sometimes. I can't tell if you are trolling or believe half the stuff you say. In all honesty lately you been acting strange. And ur new uberside kick, who the hell is that?

carver9
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Carver you are damn impossible to debate with sometimes. I can't tell if you are trolling or believe half the stuff you say. In all honesty lately you been acting strange. And ur new uberside kick, who the hell is that?

LOL... I'm acting strange? You created a thread in the battlezone just to get my attention. Come on buddy.

Anyways, if you are not adding anything to this topic then we are done.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
LOL... I'm acting strange? You created a thread in the battlezone just to get my attention. Come on buddy.

Anyways, if you are not adding anything to this topic then we are done.

That was supposed to be fun, then when I tried to get it going you didn't want to debate anyone of the vs. battles I brought up. Hey you ran from that battle zone so I accept your concessionsmile

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by h1a8
tyrant is far below Galactus. Tyrant can only fight Galactus because of draining him. Without that Galactus would shit stomp him.

What are Galactus strength feats? What are tyrants strength feats. I don't recall Tyrant wrestling with Galactus in a test of strength. A energy blast war doesn't prove strength.

You're without a doubt the biggest moron on this site. The writers went out of the way to slap the reader in the face with how much of a threat Tyrant was to Galactus. Galactus backed down from Tyrant the first time they met and let him keep his herald. Galactus is usually pretty indifferent to fighting people.. even powerful foes. he didn't go out of his way to feed against EGO.. or the in betweener... or Mephisto.. or even Odin recently. Yet, Galactus went out of his way to SPECIFICALLY feed for his fight with Tyrant. Obviously he viewed him as a big threat. Surfer went to stop the fight because the said they'll both destroy EACHOTHER. When Galatus backed down he did so because he feared all the collateral damage that would rock the galaxy if they fought. Clearly he was well aware of how powerful Tyrant was. If he was well below galactus like you claim.. what collateral damage would there have been? Tyrant would've been one shot according to you.... Yet we all know he wasn't. Galactus hit tyrant and barely effected him at all. It's stands to reason though why he was such a big threat because he was MADE TO BE GALACTUS EQUAL YOU MORON.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by h1a8
you perception is twisted. Someone slapping someone around with no visible effect doesn't mean anything. Was Galactus supposed to one shot ko him or kill him? I would have a hard time seeing Galactus do that to a herald.


This is comics. You have to prove strength by feats. I'm not going to accept your opinion of how strong Galactus is without proof.

With that said, I can name many instances of characters being hit around and not being visibly damaged.

I go by what happens him comics to form an opinion, not what I believe should be the case.

No you don't clownshoes... You claim Thanos is weaker to blunt force damage and better against energy. Comics tell us the EXACT opposite. Thanos has never in his history been KO'd by a blunt force attack.. yet he has to energy attacks. yet you still maintain he's weaker to energy. That GOES AGAINST comics you twit. That is just one in a long line of examples where you have no clue what you're talking about and don't read the comics and just randomly form your own opinion that often time goes against comics.

cdtm
If this was pure h2h, neither should really be able to hurt the other. Of course, Cain gets bounced around like a superball, while Thanos at most gets staggered for a second.

But with options like tp and bfr, Thanos wins every time.

h1a8
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're without a doubt the biggest moron on this site. The writers went out of the way to slap the reader in the face with how much of a threat Tyrant was to Galactus. Galactus backed down from Tyrant the first time they met and let him keep his herald. Galactus is usually pretty indifferent to fighting people.. even powerful foes. he didn't go out of his way to feed against EGO.. or the in betweener... or Mephisto.. or even Odin recently. Yet, Galactus went out of his way to SPECIFICALLY feed for his fight with Tyrant. Obviously he viewed him as a big threat. Surfer went to stop the fight because the said they'll both destroy EACHOTHER. When Galatus backed down he did so because he feared all the collateral damage that would rock the galaxy if they fought. Clearly he was well aware of how powerful Tyrant was. If he was well below galactus like you claim.. what collateral damage would there have been? Tyrant would've been one shot according to you.... Yet we all know he wasn't. Galactus hit tyrant and barely effected him at all. It's stands to reason though why he was such a big threat because he was MADE TO BE GALACTUS EQUAL YOU MORON. Tyrant only becomes a threat because he absorbs Galactus energy. That's called a plot device. Without that ability Galactus would spitestomp him with ease. So no, Tyrant is nowhere near Galactus without him having to drain Galactus.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No you don't clownshoes... You claim Thanos is weaker to blunt force damage and better against energy. Comics tell us the EXACT opposite. Thanos has never in his history been KO'd by a blunt force attack.. yet he has to energy attacks. yet you still maintain he's weaker to energy. That GOES AGAINST comics you twit. That is just one in a long line of examples where you have no clue what you're talking about and don't read the comics and just randomly form your own opinion that often time goes against comics. Thanos has always been affected by blunt force from heralds or less. He never no sold blunt attacks. Him being koed is irrelevant since, if he can be affected then he can be koed with sufficient amount of hits.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by h1a8
Tyrant only becomes a threat because he absorbs Galactus energy. That's called a plot device. Without that ability Galactus would spitestomp him with ease. So no, Tyrant is nowhere near Galactus without him having to drain Galactus.

Thanos has always been affected by blunt force from heralds or less. He never no sold blunt attacks. Him being koed is irrelevant since, if he can be affected then he can be koed with sufficient amount of hits.

Then post the narration after each of these that says what you claim that he was only a threat because of him absorbing power. You do realize you twit that galactus was SURPRISED he could even do that. So no, he didn't know he could do that and that is why he acted as he did. Now prove the following or concede that isn't why he's a threat.

1. Show the narration that says Galactus backed down from Tyrant because he knew he could absorb his powers
2. Show the narration that says that Galactus feared galaxies would be destroyed because tyrant could absorb his powers
3. Show the narration that says Surfer went to stop them "from destroying each other" because Tyrant could Absorb his power
4. Show the narration that says Galactus feed on a planet because he knew Tyrant could absorb his energy
5. Show the narration that says Tyrant was made to be Galactus equal because he could absorb his power (Which is beyond moronic but I want you to prove this... If he's made to be his equal THAT is why he's a threat.. not because he can absorb his power. Do you know what made to be his equal means?)

Now either prove these claims of yours with narration to support or concede you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nope doesn't work that way.... Thanos has been AFFECTED by Energy blasts to.. he's been KO'd by them you moron. So clearly he's been hurt by them. Yet, he's NEVER in his entire history been KO'd by a blunt force attack. Now either show me more times he's been KO'd by blunt force attacks or concede the point.

psycho gundam
Just checked in and saw this thread. Hopefully Bran see this soon

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Just checked in and saw this thread. Hopefully Bran see this soon

Bran has been MIA for long time, hope he is ok.

iceman24567
This thread wtf laughing, Thanos wins

h1a8
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Then post the narration after each of these that says what you claim that he was only a threat because of him absorbing power. You do realize you twit that galactus was SURPRISED he could even do that. So no, he didn't know he could do that and that is why he acted as he did. Now prove the following or concede that isn't why he's a threat.

1. Show the narration that says Galactus backed down from Tyrant because he knew he could absorb his powers
2. Show the narration that says that Galactus feared galaxies would be destroyed because tyrant could absorb his powers
3. Show the narration that says Surfer went to stop them "from destroying each other" because Tyrant could Absorb his power
4. Show the narration that says Galactus feed on a planet because he knew Tyrant could absorb his energy
5. Show the narration that says Tyrant was made to be Galactus equal because he could absorb his power (Which is beyond moronic but I want you to prove this... If he's made to be his equal THAT is why he's a threat.. not because he can absorb his power. Do you know what made to be his equal means?)

Now either prove these claims of yours with narration to support or concede you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nope doesn't work that way.... Thanos has been AFFECTED by Energy blasts to.. he's been KO'd by them you moron. So clearly he's been hurt by them. Yet, he's NEVER in his entire history been KO'd by a blunt force attack. Now either show me more times he's been KO'd by blunt force attacks or concede the point. useless rant. It was clear that the tables were turned when Tyrant started draining Galactus. That is the only way he can compete with him.

tkitna
Originally posted by iceman24567
This thread wtf laughing, Thanos wins

Yeah, this.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by h1a8
useless rant. It was clear that the tables were turned when Tyrant started draining Galactus. That is the only way he can compete with him.

Okay so you can't prove your case then... Good... So I'll accept your concession .

celeyhyga17
Spite

h1a8
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay so you can't prove your case then... Good... So I'll accept your concession . The comic explicitly stated why Tyrant was able to compete with Galactus (because he was draining him).
You are trying to go against what was stated and writer's intentions.

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