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*Morne is possessed

Force, sabers, all out

Fully possessed? Then we have a spirit who's a top sorcerer and who is incredibly good at absorbing lightning, in the body of a strong Jedi master.

Muur-in-Morne takes it.

Darth Thanaton have a good chance of victory with his sorcery-oriented attacks.

He's right. Celeste isn't overly remarkable, but Karness Muur is. Thanaton gets it up the ass.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Thanaton have a good chance of victory with his sorcery-oriented attacks.


Oh yes, let's try taking on one of the inventors of sorcery in sorcery! I... do not think that's the most winning strategy.

I'd love to see you get into an argument like you did with him in my Wyyrlok vs. Thanaton thread, or was it the Talon vs Vindican thread?

How strong was Muur possessed Morne?

Originally posted by The Merchant
How strong was Muur possessed Morne?

Very strong, though we didn't truly get to see him for too long.


Morne merely drawing on Muur's power was being overpowered by Krayt.

Muur in the driver's seat was able to take him on at at least even terms and engaged in an epic lightning battle, and also felt he could take on Vader (and Vader felt that, if he got the talisman, then he'd be amped enough to take down Sidious but possibly at the cost of Muur becoming his new master).


One of the techniques he used was absorbing Krayt's lightning, adding his own, and tossing it back (though alas, the fight ended there due to Krayt being stabbed in the back).

Another of his sorceries is, every non force-user near him get mutated into a Rakghoul under his control (and if they scratch a force user, that force user gets infected and becomes a Rakghoul as well), and he can control hundreds of thousands of these at least. An entire army of Mandalorians was transformed under his control at one point.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh yes, let's try taking on one of the inventors of sorcery in sorcery! I... do not think that's the most winning strategy.
Being a pioneer of Sith Sorcery doesn't translates to invincibility; Sith Sorcery is a field of endless possibilities. We do know that Muur is capable of handling Sith lightning (of a decent magnitude) but we don't know how he would do against various undefined esoteric sorcery-oriented attacks and Thanaton acquired knowledge from multiple legends of the past.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Being a pioneer of Sith Sorcery doesn't translates to invincibility; Sith Sorcery is a field of endless possibilities. We do know that Muur is capable of handling Sith lightning (of a decent magnitude) but we don't know how he would do against various undefined esoteric sorcery-oriented attacks and Thanaton acquired knowledge from multiple legends of the past.

Oh, sure, it doesn't make him invincible, but he is clearly really good.

I mean, Andeddu's a feared legend, Wyyrlok is better than him, but Muur comes across as better still.


Plus there's the simple matter that he's a spirit in a talisman on a body, so a lot of stuff that's targeted against a body or such won't work, and stuff aimed at an untethered spirit won't work too well either.


Heck, one could hypothetically manage to knock out the spirit only to leave Morne in a position to skewer the sith in front of her.

Man Muur sounds like a beast, and it's kind of frightening to think Ajunta Pall is stronger than him.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Man Muur sounds like a beast, and it's kind of frightening to think Ajunta Pall is stronger than him.

There is a possibility that Muur in host may be stronger than original recipe Muur (since it's most of his power + who he's on), but yea.


Remulus Dreypa, Muur's rival, pretty much made the entire Lost Tribe of the Sith shit themselves in the 'Spiral' comic.

The Hundred Year Darkness main five seem to be beasts, and Muur was the most force-focused of the five.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh, sure, it doesn't make him invincible, but he is clearly really good.

I mean, Andeddu's a feared legend, Wyyrlok is better than him, but Muur comes across as better still.


Plus there's the simple matter that he's a spirit in a talisman on a body, so a lot of stuff that's targeted against a body or such won't work, and stuff aimed at an untethered spirit won't work too well either.


Heck, one could hypothetically manage to knock out the spirit only to leave Morne in a position to skewer the sith in front of her.
I hold The Exiles in high regard personally so I am not doubting the potential of Muur at defeating a member of the Dark Council.

Though, I also hold members of the Dark Council in high regard since they are typically among the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy in an era and some of them have been among the most powerful Sith Lords in galactic history.

This can be a good fight for both. However, Thanaton does have command of some frightening techniques that are often undervalued in debates by some fellow members and I do believe that Thanaton have the potential to outright kill and/or even one-shot a great many individuals with his esoteric talents. Please keep in mind that Thanaton adopted the path of Sith Inquisitor and studied talents of several Legends such as Ajunta Pall, Tulak Hord, Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow to hone his talents in the dark side. The resources at his disposal may have afforded him access to great deal of knowledge about ancient Sith and it may not be surprising if Thanaton is well-aware of Muur and his capabilities.

However, honoring your position coupled with my respect for The Exiles, I acknowledge the possibility of Muur-aided Morne at defeating Thanaton but I find my original assessment realistic as well.

Originally posted by Q99
Remulus Dreypa, Muur's rival, pretty much made the entire Lost Tribe of the Sith shit themselves in the 'Spiral' comic.
Do you have access to this data?

Also, per my understanding, Lost Tribe of the Sith didn't really develop much in isolation.

I'd go with Morne myself.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you have access to this data?

I have the comic, yes. Not scanned, but in a place I can flip through and reference.




They went through some ups and downs over their history, Spiral taking place decades after they started unifying. They are a whole society of force users, they didn't really have top tier individuals but they could fight and they had a good number of sith. Like, I don't think a rank-and-file Tribe member is any weaker than a rank and file sith on the outside, and their leaders still got pretty strong, they just aren't going to be producing Thanatons or Exar Kuns or such.


Oh yea, and he also wiped out 'the Doomed,' a society descended from Jedi/Sith on the planet, of species that didn't have enough population for a long term colony, who held more true to their original teachings and were tasked with guarding Dreypa and such.

Originally posted by Q99
I have the comic, yes. Not scanned, but in a place I can flip through and reference.
I am really interested in getting access to this source. If you can help somehow, would be great.

Originally posted by Q99
They went through some ups and downs over their history, Spiral taking place decades after they started unifying. They are a whole society of force users, they didn't really have top tier individuals but they could fight and they had a good number of sith. Like, I don't think a rank-and-file Tribe member is any weaker than a rank and file sith on the outside, and their leaders still got pretty strong, they just aren't going to be producing Thanatons or Exar Kuns or such.
Fair.

This Tribe didn't demonstrate much ambition in expanding its influence, neither focused much on developing talents or explore ancient secrets for greater knowledge. It restricted itself instead which is contrary to Sith ideals and hinders progress. Of-course, being Sith means something and members wouldn't be utter jokes but Lost Tribe was more like an insignificant bunch that was lacking in comparison to Sith Orders that prioritized progress.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh yea, and he also wiped out 'the Doomed,' a society descended from Jedi/Sith on the planet, of species that didn't have enough population for a long term colony, who held more true to their original teachings and were tasked with guarding Dreypa and such.
Muur?