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Marvel's such a joke

Hyperion, Gladiator and Sentry

Could they be any more cheesy?

I mean get real and come up with your own idea's, no matter what, no character they have can or will ever replace Kal-El.

I hardly see any similarities between Superman and Sentry.

Robert is a broken man, given godlike power and a human psyche to cope with it.

As you know he has his other half the Void. He deals with Agoraphobia and Schizophrenia and Generalised Anxiety Disorder daily, which is why a lot of the time he removes himself from battle (Civil War comes to mind). I don't recall Superman having to daily deal with a mental illness or mentally combat a dark half. I'm obviously willing to grant you some characters are copies of Supes, but not in some cases are characters like Sentry copies. They are completely different.

I could say a lot more but I don't think it's right at all to suggest Sentry is a rip off. Him and Superman are infinitely different.

I agree with you on Hyperion and Glads. Hyperion is pretty much a direct pastiche of Superman. Glads also shows a very strong resemblance. But not Sentry. They are miles apart. If you were to put Gladiator and Hyperion next to Superman and explain their stories and their powers you would say yeah these are at least intentional pastiches or copies.

But if you put Superman and Sentry next to each other and told their stories and powers it's completely different. If anything in a crossover I see Superman as someone who helps Sentry in bad times. He has that typical keep your chin up attitude. Him and Sentry would be awesome together.

You make a great point. I guess Sentry is the least like Superman compared to the other two. But what the hell is Marvels problem trying to copy Superman, he can't be copied.

I don't see why they do this. No one runs to the stores to read the latest Hyperion comic, or dresses up as Gladiator for Halloween, or Hyp for that matter.

Marvel has Hulk, Thor and Ironman.

DC has Superman and Batman and Flash.

They are household names.

Hyperion will never be Superman and it only makes marvel look bad.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You make a great point. I guess Sentry is the least like Superman compared to the other two. But what the hell is Marvels problem trying to copy Superman, he can't be copied.

I don't see why they do this. No one runs to the stores to read the latest Hyperion comic, or dresses up as Gladiator for Halloween, or Hyp for that matter.

Marvel has Hulk, Thor and Ironman.

DC has Superman and Batman and Flash.

They are household names.

Hyperion will never be Superman and it only makes marvel look bad.

Before I reply I think I need to elaborate on "Robert is a broken man given godlike power and a human psyche to cope with it".

Now I wont start banging on about who beats who here as that isn't the place so don't take this next part as me meaning so.

Sentry is given power but a human psyche. So when he has his super hearing he can hear the screams of dying children in Africa. He is given the mental frailties.

But Superman is given power but has a (for lack of a better phrase) a "comic character psyche". In which he is blessed with this power but he can merrily travel with his superhearing and not care about somebody dying in a war torn African country.

I think perhaps in some cases it may be to attract people to a character. I mean think about it (don't mean that rudely). Superman was technically the first most popular superhero ever to exist. He was the personification of a whole genre. So perhaps some of it involves Marvel thinking hey we need to cash in on this. More so with Hyperion I think.

I think with that they just aren't symbolic. Superman is effectively a world wide brand. If you travelled to say Malaysia wearing a Superman shirt they would know who or what the shirt signified. But they would have no clue of what DC Comics is.

Gladiator just didn't have that much exposure. Plus I don't think he particularly symbolizes anything as much as Superman did on the whole.

Should we also talk about the people Superman has ripped off?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Before I reply I think I need to elaborate on "Robert is a broken man given godlike power and a human psyche to cope with it".

Now I wont start banging on about who beats who here as that isn't the place so don't take this next part as me meaning so.

Sentry is given power but a human psyche. So when he has his super hearing he can hear the screams of dying children in Africa. He is given the mental frailties.

But Superman is given power but has a (for lack of a better phrase) a "comic character psyche". In which he is blessed with this power but he can merrily travel with his superhearing and not care about somebody dying in a war torn African country.

I think perhaps in some cases it may be to attract people to a character. I mean think about it (don't mean that rudely). Superman was technically the first most popular superhero ever to exist. He was the personification of a whole genre. So perhaps some of it involves Marvel thinking hey we need to cash in on this. More so with Hyperion I think.

I think with that they just aren't symbolic. Superman is effectively a world wide brand. If you travelled to say Malaysia wearing a Superman shirt they would know who or what the shirt signified. But they would have no clue of what DC Comics is.

Gladiator just didn't have that much exposure. Plus I don't think he particularly symbolizes anything as much as Superman did on the whole.

Good point

Originally posted by -Pr-
Should we also talk about the people Superman has ripped off?

How can Superman rip anyone off when he is the original.

Coke does not copy Pepsi,

Pepsi will always be a copy of Coke..

Philip Wylie's novel Gladiator (1930) and Doc Savage (1933) both predated and were inspirations (rip off material) for Superman.
Not sure what inspired this thread, but, as someone who has no problem with you, i'd just like to say, STFU and stop trolling.

Originally posted by riv6672
Philip Wylie's novel Gladiator (1930) and Doc Savage (1933) both predated and were inspirations (rip off material) for Superman.
Not sure what inspired this thread, but, as someone who has no problem with you, i'd just like to say, STFU and stop trolling.

I love you too now..

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Been nice knowing you, TI.

Originally posted by riv6672
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Oh please.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=418663&pagenumber=2612

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
How can Superman rip anyone off when he is the original.

Coke does not copy Pepsi,

Pepsi will always be a copy of Coke..

Superman may be the best in your (and my) opinion, but let's not pretend he's a completely original concept, or that he never copied anyone.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I hardly see any similarities between Superman and Sentry.

Robert is a broken man, given godlike power and a human psyche to cope with it.

As you know he has his other half the Void. He deals with Agoraphobia and Schizophrenia and Generalised Anxiety Disorder daily, which is why a lot of the time he removes himself from battle (Civil War comes to mind). I don't recall Superman having to daily deal with a mental illness or mentally combat a dark half. I'm obviously willing to grant you some characters are copies of Supes, but not in some cases are characters like Sentry copies. They are completely different.

I could say a lot more but I don't think it's right at all to suggest Sentry is a rip off. Him and Superman are infinitely different.

I agree with you on Hyperion and Glads. Hyperion is pretty much a direct pastiche of Superman. Glads also shows a very strong resemblance. But not Sentry. They are miles apart. If you were to put Gladiator and Hyperion next to Superman and explain their stories and their powers you would say yeah these are at least intentional pastiches or copies.

But if you put Superman and Sentry next to each other and told their stories and powers it's completely different. If anything in a crossover I see Superman as someone who helps Sentry in bad times. He has that typical keep your chin up attitude. Him and Sentry would be awesome together.

I don't think that Sentry was originally intended, or right now, is written as Marvel's Superman.

When Bendis wrote him though, he flat out stated that he was writing him as Marvel's Superman. I don't think they're that alike personally though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman may be the best in your (and my) opinion, but let's not pretend he's a completely original concept, or that he never copied anyone.





Basically. He started the modern super hero boom so of course is copied a lot but he too was influenced by others before and not the first hero. But it doesn't make him any less iconic.

People who do stuff like this about how others copy him aren't doing him any favors by focusing on his status as first, instead of the actual quality of the character.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Basically. He started the modern super hero boom so of course is copied a lot but he too was influenced by others before and not the first hero. But it doesn't make him any less iconic.

People who do stuff like this about how others copy him aren't doing him any favors by focusing on his status as first, instead of the actual quality of the character.

I counter to say Superman was the first true American Hero!

A super american isn't Superman though.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
A super american isn't Superman though.

Wrong,

Superman is a superhero that appears in comic books published by DC Comics, and is considered an American cultural icon. The Superman character was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster, high school students living in Cleveland, Ohio, in 1933; the character was sold to Detective Comics, Inc. (later DC Comics) in 1938. wikipedia.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Wrong,

Superman is a superhero that appears in comic books published by DC Comics, and is considered an American cultural icon. The Superman character was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster, high school students living in Cleveland, Ohio, in 1933; the character was sold to Detective Comics, Inc. (later DC Comics) in 1938. wikipedia.

Missed my point.

Saying superman doesn't stand for american ideals. And I say the version that ***** slapped japan may have been the start but it wasn't his soul

Truth, Justice and the American way, would be considered American Ideals right?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Truth, Justice and the American way, would be considered American Ideals right?

The American way bit may be what he said. But the superman's soul, the version that inspires people and who they think of when they think of a great hero.

Isn't bound by the american way. He is a symbol of the human spirit. And yeah the american creators and DC likely thought america was the best and the greatest hero should be about america. The real superman, the soul that DC likes to talk about being this great thing is the good inside of humanity as a whole and not about what is really the american way or not. He does what's right regardless of politics, nation, or allegiance.

I agree with that.

Originally posted by riv6672
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I laughed my *** off at that. Thanks riv.

Superman is the first "Superhero" as we know them from Comics, however, he was inspired by Moses, Jesus, Samson, Hercules, this makes him also kind of a rip off.

Hyperion and Gladiator are "rip offs" though I would rather say homages.

Son Goku, his story, status and power, is also a homage to Superman.

Captain Marvel was created to be like Superman and Sentry, according to his creator, was supposed to be Marvels Superman, but both developed to something new imo. Billy a child with godly powers, shares few traits with Superman and Sentry, because of his personality and powerset is also unqiue. So even if they started to be Superman "clones" they are nothing like that anymore. The same can be said about Goku.

Hyperion and Gladiator are very close though, except for their lack of a secret identity.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman may be the best in your (and my) opinion, but let's not pretend he's a completely original concept, or that he never copied anyone.



I don't think that Sentry was originally intended, or right now, is written as Marvel's Superman.

When Bendis wrote him though, he flat out stated that he was writing him as Marvel's Superman. I don't think they're that alike personally though.

Yeah I agree with you. I never actually knew Bendis said that. If he did then what a tosser.

To be honest not that I dislike Superman because he's up there as one of my favourites. But I don't see why he intended to do that. They are so different.

Sentry is much closer to Miracleman as a character.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Basically. He started the modern super hero boom so of course is copied a lot but he too was influenced by others before and not the first hero. But it doesn't make him any less iconic.

People who do stuff like this about how others copy him aren't doing him any favors by focusing on his status as first, instead of the actual quality of the character.

Yep. We see far too much of that on KMC, and not just with Superman either.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Yeah I agree with you. I never actually knew Bendis said that. If he did then what a tosser.

To be honest not that I dislike Superman because he's up there as one of my favourites. But I don't see why he intended to do that. They are so different.

Sentry is much closer to Miracleman as a character.

I don't have it to hand, but in one of the early Mighty Avengers comics, the script by Bendis has the line "marvel has its Superman" or something to that effect in direct relation to Sentry. The script should be online, or maybe it was released with an edition of the comic, i'm not sure.

but yes, bendis is a tosser.

Lets talk Deadpool.

Originally posted by Placidity
Lets talk Deadpool.

Lol, yea he's the biggest rip off.

He gets away with it though, as he's funny.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Sentry may've been initially intended as an S-clone, but since then, he's developed in his own direction, especially DS Sentry (who has a great look, btw, much, Much better, imo, than that "golden guardian" appearance).

Originally posted by Mindship
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Sentry may've been initially intended as an S-clone, but since then, he's developed in his own direction, especially DS Sentry (who has a great look, btw, much, Much better, imo, than that "golden guardian" appearance).

His current appearance is good, just wish Remender would actually put him in a comic.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
His current appearance is good, just wish Remender would actually put him in a comic. Agreed.

Originally posted by Mindship
(who has a great look, btw, much, Much better, imo, than that "golden guardian" appearance).

The Silver age Sentry was one of the funniest Marvel characters in recent years though.

Originally posted by Bentley
The Silver age Sentry was one of the funniest Marvel characters in recent years though. It sort of reminded me of KMC member tkitna's(?) avatar.

Originally posted by Mindship
It sort of reminded me of KMC member tkitna's(?) avatar.

Yep, this is what this Sentry looks like.

Golden and Silver Age

http://i.imgur.com/jjcNiR6l.jpg

Silver Age

http://i.imgur.com/r6yCSeEl.jpg
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I think I have more respect for Gladiator, Marvel did a good job giving him close ties and name and powers to Kal.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I think I have more respect for Gladiator, Marvel did a good job giving him close ties and name and powers to Kal.

I like Kallark's warrior spirit as well.

I just wish Marvel would actually write him for what he is. I can't imagine a small WWH sized arc where it was a 100% Confidence Glads on the rampage.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman may be the best in your (and my) opinion, but let's not pretend he's a completely original concept, or that he never copied anyone.

In fact the original Superman was ripping of Captain Marvel, or as he's called now, Shazam

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
In fact the original Superman was ripping of Captain Marvel, or as he's called now, Shazam

Can you explain this?

What is the current Superman's version ? n52 or MoS ?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
In fact the original Superman was ripping of Captain Marvel, or as he's called now, Shazam


That makes no sense as Superman was created before he was.

Originally posted by Star428
That makes no sense as Superman was created before he was.

Lol I know right, he ran from my question as well faster then a fly from a swatter.

This is the only clip of Gladiator I could find is him in Xmen. It would be cool if they actually put him in some animated Marvel film.

Here it is

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