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Future SSJ Gohan (with one arm), as seen in "The History of Trunks":
http://s1.postimg.org/y9q64c2pr/Untitled.png


VS.


Namek saga SSJ Goku:
http://s1.postimg.org/h7xc28nun/20101002015924_Goku_SSJ_Namek_by_shadsonic2_1.png


-Battle takes place on Namek.
-Both are bloodlusted.


Who wins?

SSJ namek Goku > Frieza.

Future Gohan >>> Trunks >> Frieza.

Androids >= Gohan >>> Trunks > Namek Goku > Frieza.

Remember how Gohan was able to stalemate one of the android in 1 V 1? Well Trunks couldn't. Trunks also casually dominated a stronger Frieza than Goku ever fought. Gohan wins easily.

Honestly, a better fight would be post-Yardrat Goku vs. Future Gohan. Goku might win because of IT, but still a much better fight.

The Future Androids were also much weaker than the 'mainstream' Androids, as explicitly noted by Trunks himself. Trunks also stated that he was able to fight BOTH future Androids for an extended period of time(just like Gohan did in the film) before he was overwhelmed, yet was sorely outclassed by just ONE mainstream Android in a matter of seconds. This tells us that the future Androids were, in all likelihood, less than HALF the power of the mainstream Androids.

Based on that, I think Future SSJ Gohan, SSJ Trunks(as seen against Mecha Frieza), and Namek-arc SSJ Goku are all roughly equal. However, Goku is almost certainly the better fighter AND has both of his arms to boot. So yeah, I'd probably side with Goku here.

Originally posted by Galan007
The Future Androids were also much weaker than the 'mainstream' Androids, as explicitly noted by Trunks himself. Trunks also stated that he was able to fight BOTH future Androids for an extended period of time(just like Gohan did in the film) before he was overwhelmed, yet was sorely outclassed by just ONE mainstream Android in a matter of seconds. This tells us that the future Androids were, in all likelihood, less than HALF the power of the mainstream Androids.

Based on that, I think Future SSJ Gohan, SSJ Trunks(as seen against Mecha Frieza), and Namek-arc SSJ Goku are all roughly equal. However, Goku is almost certainly the better fighter AND has both of his arms to boot. So yeah, I'd probably side with Goku here.

This is true, but even with this in mind, we still have to peg Trunks as Gohan's equal.

Trunks still shat on Mecha Frieza in seconds. Mecha Frieza said himself to be "much stronger" than he was on Namek, the Frieza that SSJ Namek Goku stalemated in his 100% full power form. That still makes Trunks >>> Mecha Frieza > Namek SSJ Goku > 100% full power Frieza.

And don't forget that the only reason SSJ Namek Goku beat Frieza was because he couldn't maintain his power. Other than that, they were basically equals.

Trunks stomps.

^ No.

In the manga, SSJ Goku beat 100% Frieza in a completely one-sided stomp(which makes sense considering Goku's PL was 30,000,000>Frieza's.) The anime episodes that painted them as near-equals are non-canon filler. Aside from that, Gohan explicitly noted that SSJ Trunks(when he fought Mecha Frieza) possessed the SAME ki that Goku possessed on Namek.

So again: Goku~Trunks~Future Gohan.


Oh, and Trunks isn't even in this thread, so I'm not sure what he "stomps"..? Try to remember the characters you're arguing.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ No.

In the manga, SSJ Goku beat 100% Frieza in a completely one-sided stomp(which makes sense considering Goku's PL was 30,000,000>Frieza's.) The anime episodes that painted them as near-equals are non-canon filler. Aside from that, Gohan explicitly noted that SSJ Trunks(when he fought Mecha Frieza) possessed the SAME ki that Goku possessed on Namek.

So again: Goku~Trunks~Future Gohan.


Oh, and Trunks isn't even in this thread, so I'm not sure what he "stomps"..? Try to remember the characters you're arguing.

http://i36.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/323/dragon-ball-69816.jpg

Does this look like a one-sided stomp? Frieza literally swam through Goku's kamehameha, and then fly beside it, and punched Goku before he could react. Definitely one-sided, huh?

Frieza was around equal to Goku, but his strength declined too rapidly to make it a fight. Even Goku said so.

http://i25.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/325/dragon-ball-1950363.jpg

They were on par previously, and Toriyama made it a point to show that they were.

http://i23.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/324/dragon-ball-69843.jpg

Also, I did, jackass. I already established that Trunks and Gohan were equal, and saying that Trunks stomps is saying that Gohan DEFINITELY stomps, considering Trunks was his equal, even after Gohan lost an arm.

Lol, Frieza landing a few punches on Goku does NOT mean their powers were "on par". If that were the case, then Vegeta was "on par" with Fat Buu, lol.

In the manga, Goku stomped Frieza decisively, and even took pity on him in the end:
http://i.imgur.com/66gb79B.gif

...Which makes sense given that his PL was 30 MILLION greater.



On top of that, Gohan explicitly stated that SSJ Trunks had the same size ki that Goku had on Namek:
http://i.imgur.com/8ZdnrLs.gif http://i.imgur.com/s3ZW16o.gif



So again: Goku~Trunks~Future Gohan>>Mecha-Frieza>Namek-Frieza. Keep digging that hole, though.

He is talking about Trunks going Super Saiyan. Anyway, the absolute effortless way he stomped suggests he is more powerful.

Edit: ah different translation than the one I read.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, Frieza landing a few punches on Goku does NOT mean their powers were "on par". If that were the case, then Vegeta was "on par" with Fat Buu, lol.

In the manga, Goku stomped Frieza decisively, and even took pity on him in the end:
http://i.imgur.com/66gb79B.gif

...Which makes sense given that his PL was 30 MILLION greater.



On top of that, Gohan explicitly stated that SSJ Trunks had the same size ki that Goku had on Namek:
http://i.imgur.com/8ZdnrLs.gif http://i.imgur.com/s3ZW16o.gif



So again: Goku~Trunks~Future Gohan>>Mecha-Frieza>Namek-Frieza. Keep digging that hole, though.

He didn't "land a few hits", he was going blow for blow with Goku. Not to mention that he overpowered Goku's strongest attack by flying through it. Keep ignoring that though.

Goku gives pity to everyone. Do you not remember how much stronger Vegeta was than him, but he still made Krillin spare him? God, have you even read the series?

Also, Gohan was making a comparison. He can't tell if it was exactly the same, but it was very similar. Plus, that was a different translation than I read, iirc.

Plus, feats > statements, if the statements directly contradict the feats. Show me something to prove Goku wasn't roughly Frieza's equal, even though he stalemated his strongest attack.

Goku stomped Frieza decisively in the manga. No ifs ands or buts about it. A difference of 30 MILLION between their power levels was simply insurmountable, and it showed. Additionally, Gohan, who can very accurately sense ki, stated that SSJ Trunks' ki was the same as Namek-arc SSJ Goku's. Simple.

Don't know why you're trying to argue canon fact, lol. It seems like being able to admit when you're wrong might help you grow up a bit. These antics you pull in every thread are laughably childish.

Goku beats his son down and teaches him a lesson.

Anyway, not sure how Gohan compares to future Trunks but I'd say Trunks is easily beyond Goku as evident by how he utterly stomps a stronger version of Freiza and King Cold. Gohan is simply wrong or it's a mistranslation (Herms translated it as "same ki" and said "same amount of Ki" is an incorrect translation).

Originally posted by ares834
Anyway, not sure how Gohan compares to future Trunks but I'd say Trunks is easily beyond Goku as evident by how he utterly stomps a stronger version of Freiza and King Cold. Gohan is simply wrong or it's a mistranslation (Herms translated it as "same ki" and said "same amount of Ki" is an incorrect translation). Sensing ki is primarily how the Z fighters discern the power of their opponents. There are countless examples of this throughout every saga of the series, but here are a few examples from this particular story...

Gohan and Krillin both state that Freeza/Cold's ki felt "huge":
http://i.imgur.com/w6Ic8UM.jpg
ki=power.

Yamcha freaks the hell out when he senses Freeza's ki:
http://i.imgur.com/UZVRqJ5.jpg
"F-Freeza. H-He has a ki that's THAT unbelievably huge!?" ki=power.

I can post several other examples if need be.

That said, when Gohan stated that SSJ Trunks' ki was the same as Goku's was on Namek, he was referring to the power he sensed:
http://i.imgur.com/LNeYWiK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HQRnpih.jpg
Otherwise he would have said something like: "It's the same type of ki as father's."


Aside from that, Gohan explicitly stated that Freeza's ki/power was suppressed when he came to earth:
http://i.imgur.com/i4wNDEV.png

And since it was never shown/stated that Freeza increased his power at all prior to fighting Trunks, then it is perfectly logical to assume that he was still suppressed when Trunks killed him(hence why he did so with such little effort.)

Tbh, Freeza being suppressed makes the most sense when I start thinking about it. I mean, we know he's not going to cruise around at 100% power, because it takes a massive physical toll on his body. So given that there were no threats he was aware of on earth, he'd be much more likely to only use between 3%-50% of his power at any given time(that's the percentage-range he fancied on Namek, at least), and only kick it up beyond that if need be. Either way, the energy-levels Gohan sensed from Freeza on Namek were>>the energy levels he sensed from Freeza on earth. That's how he knew Freeza was suppressing his power.



*I posted the Viz translations this time to avoid any skepticism regarding their accuracy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sensing ki is primarily how the Z fighters discern the power of their opponents. There are countless examples of this throughout every saga of the series, but here are a few examples from this particular story...

Gohan and Krillin both state that Freeza/Cold's ki felt "huge":
http://i.imgur.com/w6Ic8UM.jpg
ki=power.

Yamcha freaks the hell out when he senses Freeza's ki:
http://i.imgur.com/UZVRqJ5.jpg
"F-Freeza. H-He has a ki that's THAT unbelievably huge!?" ki=power.

I can post several other examples if need be.

That said, when Gohan stated that SSJ Trunks' ki was the same as Goku's was on Namek, he was referring to the power he sensed:
http://i.imgur.com/LNeYWiK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HQRnpih.jpg
Otherwise he would have said something like: "It's the same type of ki as father's."


Aside from that, Gohan explicitly stated that Freeza's ki/power was suppressed when he came to earth:
http://i.imgur.com/i4wNDEV.png

And since it was never shown/stated that Freeza increased his power at all prior to fighting Trunks, then it is perfectly logical to assume that he was still suppressed when Trunks killed him(hence why he did so with such little effort.)

Tbh, Freeza being suppressed makes the most sense when I start thinking about it. I mean, we know he's not going to cruise around at 100% power, because it takes a massive physical toll on his body. So given that there were no threats he was aware of on earth, he'd be much more likely to only use between 3%-50% of his power at any given time(that's the percentage-range he fancied on Namek, at least), and only kick it up beyond that if need be. Either way, the energy-levels Gohan sensed from Freeza on Namek were>>the energy levels he sensed from Freeza on earth. That's how he knew Freeza was suppressing his power.



*I posted the Viz translations this time to avoid any skepticism regarding their accuracy. Originally posted by Galan007
Sensing ki is primarily how the Z fighters discern the power of their opponents. There are countless examples of this throughout every saga of the series, but here are a few examples from this particular story...

Gohan and Krillin both state that Freeza/Cold's ki felt "huge":
http://i.imgur.com/w6Ic8UM.jpg
ki=power.

Yamcha freaks the hell out when he senses Freeza's ki:
http://i.imgur.com/UZVRqJ5.jpg
"F-Freeza. H-He has a ki that's THAT unbelievably huge!?" ki=power.

I can post several other examples if need be.

That said, when Gohan stated that SSJ Trunks' ki was the same as Goku's was on Namek, he was referring to the power he sensed:
http://i.imgur.com/LNeYWiK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HQRnpih.jpg
Otherwise he would have said something like: "It's the same type of ki as father's."


Aside from that, Gohan explicitly stated that Freeza's ki/power was suppressed when he came to earth:
http://i.imgur.com/i4wNDEV.png

And since it was never shown/stated that Freeza increased his power at all prior to fighting Trunks, then it is perfectly logical to assume that he was still suppressed when Trunks killed him(hence why he did so with such little effort.)

Tbh, Freeza being suppressed makes the most sense when I start thinking about it. I mean, we know he's not going to cruise around at 100% power, because it takes a massive physical toll on his body. So given that there were no threats he was aware of on earth, he'd be much more likely to only use between 3%-50% of his power at any given time(that's the percentage-range he fancied on Namek, at least), and only kick it up beyond that if need be. Either way, the energy-levels Gohan sensed from Freeza on Namek were>>the energy levels he sensed from Freeza on earth. That's how he knew Freeza was suppressing his power.



*I posted the Viz translations this time to avoid any skepticism regarding their accuracy. i think goku will win here