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So Freiza actually gets a new form.



This is just too good to be true.

Yeah, I will find it laughably stupid if Freeza 'pulls a Cooler' and metamorphoses into some ridiculous 5th form that can inextricably trounce the Saiyans(especially with the existence of a SSJG now.)

Tbh, I'd much rather see Freeza somehow attain 'Godly' power/ki. Perhaps have him acquire said power by taking the place of another universe's God of Destruction(not unlike the proposition Beerus offered Goku after they fought.) I think that would make for an interesting plot... Moreso then introducing some lulz-worthy 5th form, at least.

So yeah, hopefully that is what the promo means by "transformation". srug

I wonder if Frieza will pull another "Five minutes, that's how long you have til the planet explodes", and then like an hour and a half or so later in the movie, the planet's still there. Can't argue with Frieza time logic.

....But Namek was a "tough old bird".

kruemelmonsteryn0

And then Tien shows up and saves the day - alright sweet

is that yamcha and krillin on the poster. If they become crucial to the plot somehow, all will be right with the world.

that might be Goten

Further transformation....ugh

That's not Yamcha, that's Gohan. Here's a higher-res pic:
http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/619/Dragon-Ball-Z-2015-Movie_Revival-of-F-Frieza-Gohan.png

Yamcha has scars all over his face.

and all happiness has left my world. Thank you friends, thank you.

Originally posted by Galan007
...I wonder if these new-gen scouters will be able to read the Z fighters' current power levels,
Wouldn't surprise me if SSJ Vegeta was still at 150,000,000 or even lower.

I'd buy "Freeza has been training really really hard in Hell" over "lol i wuz just pretendin' ta be retarded"

Piccolo told Vegeta that only good guys got to keep their bodies in the afterlife while the bad ones got their souls purified and then reincarnated. So Frieza couldn't have been training in hell.

Frieza has a huge gap to fill in regards to power if all of this takes place post-Z

^ It takes place post-BoG.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ It takes place post-BoG. So now it's an even bigger gap or is that a whole different world? Is Uub in that movie?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
So now it's an even bigger gap or is that a whole different world? Is Uub in that movie? BoG took place 5 years after the Buu saga. Uub wasn't introduced until 10 years after the Buu saga, during the 28th WMAT/EoZ. That said, this new film could(and likely does) take place after BoG, but before the introduction of Uub. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
That's not Yamcha, that's Gohan. Here's a higher-res pic:
http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/619/Dragon-Ball-Z-2015-Movie_Revival-of-F-Frieza-Gohan.png

Yamcha has scars all over his face.

Originally posted by Galan007
BoG took place 5 years after the Buu saga. Uub wasn't introduced until 10 years after the Buu saga, during the 28th WMAT/EoZ. That said, this new film could(and likely does) take place after BoG, but before the introduction of Uub. /shrug

Do you think Toriyama considers GT canon?

Any more then he would the movies?

Originally posted by Galan007
That's not Yamcha, that's Gohan. Here's a higher-res pic:
http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/619/Dragon-Ball-Z-2015-Movie_Revival-of-F-Frieza-Gohan.png

Yamcha has scars all over his face.

Rock lee?

I wish. Why would they do that?

The bad times just keep on rolling for Gohan

I recall Gohan one-shot Frieza in a movie, was that cannon? Kind of hoping Frieza would remember that and return the favor.

Toriyama should just let this die...

Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think Toriyama considers GT canon?

Any more then he would the movies?

He dont considers GT canon. And when people ask him about SSJ4 in interviews he usualy ignore the question.

Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think Toriyama considers GT canon?

Any more then he would the movies? Akira does not consider GT canon whatsoever. And given that he came up with a lot of designs/plots from the first 13 films, I would imagine that he'd hold them in much higher esteem than GT(even though they're still non-canon.)

Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!, BoG, BoG2, and RoF=canon, however.

When is this movie coming out?

April 18, 2015 in Japan. I'm guessing a fan-subbed English release should be available for download a week or two later(give or take.)

Cant wait to see Goku use god mode again.

BoG, BoG2, and RoF=canon, however.

What ?

RoF = BoG 2 dont ?

^ I guess the better wording would have been: "BoG2/RoF".

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Cant wait to see Goku use god mode again. Yeah. If Vegeta doesn't acquire SSJG as well, I'll be shocked--especially considering who the main antagonist is.

This pic, which allegedly depicts Freeza's new form, has been circulating the web like crazy:
http://i.imgur.com/LKFwbk7.jpg


Almost every noteworthy source has concluded that it's just non-canon fanart... But it definitely makes you wonder.

Originally posted by vansonbee
I recall Gohan one-shot Frieza in a movie, was that cannon? Kind of hoping Frieza would remember that and return the favor.
That was in the movie Fusion Reborn when Janemba opened a portal that connected earth and hell, allowing denizens of hell to attack earth. Conveniently for Gohan, Cell wasn't present there for some reason. It's not canon though, so doubtful Frieza would remember that.

As for that above pic, huh... Looks weird but cool enough for a new form, I guess. Remember his semi-final form that looked xenomorph esque? Kind of a long shot, but I wouldn't mind having something like that again.

Gaaaaay.

If that pic is his new form, then it's just a re-hash of the same shit that we've been watching for decades.

I'll have to stop watching DBZ if Frieza is able to do anything short of get raped by any SSJ3 character+

Remember guys, that's just fanart.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Cant wait to see Goku use god mode again.

I realize I may be the only one but boy was I let down by Super saiyan god mode. I almost wish Toriyama just took the SS4 from GT and integrated it into canon his own way.

The look of SSJG was terrible. I can only hope Akira improves upon it in this film.

I did think the SSJ4-esque concept/fanart of SSJG was badass, though...

http://i.imgur.com/UnQ2dSR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kIGLOJv.png

http://i.imgur.com/bEOeb7g.png

Originally posted by Galan007
That's not Yamcha, that's Gohan. Here's a higher-res pic:
http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/619/Dragon-Ball-Z-2015-Movie_Revival-of-F-Frieza-Gohan.png

Yamcha has scars all over his face.
I thought that was Goten at first.

Looks like he slimmed down a lot.
Anxious to see if he transforms to a SSJ3, a SSJG, or just be at the same Ultimate level.

One visual i always liked is the old Fan Art from Dragon Ball AF (red skin, white hair).

But i dont think we will see anything like that in next movie. Apart from SSJ3, Akira always liked the concept of "less is more", as we can see with Mistic Gohan, Freeza Ultimate Form, SSJ God and even Perfect Cell.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I thought that was Goten at first.

Looks like he slimmed down a lot.
Anxious to see if he transforms to a SSJ3, a SSJG, or just be at the same Ultimate level. Sadly, I imagine that Gohan has taken the backseat next to the likes of Goku and Vegeta. As was the case in BoG, he'll probably end up being grouped with the B-list Z-fighters in this film as well. Akira seems to have purposefully overlooked the fact that he originally wrote Buu-era Gohan with>>>>>SSJ3-level power. ermm

There is a rumor/myth in internet that Akira wanted to Gohan defeat Buu, but Shonen Jump editors dont liked the idea, they wanted Goku to be the main hero.

I heard that too

That's true, I've seen the interview myself--I'll try to find the link for you guys. I suppose it makes sense to a point, considering Goku is Dragon Ball(much like Superman is DC comics.) I just wish Gohan would have stayed relevant after he became 'Mystic'. /shrug

Isn't that the same or similar as to why Gohan beat Cell?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I'll have to stop watching DBZ if Frieza is able to do anything short of get raped by any SSJ3 character+ I wouldn't hold on to those words if I were you. Just that it seems like the only thing that will happen if Frieza will, in any shape or form, pose a threat to SS3 strength characters which now includes Vegeta.


With regular training I can see 100% Frieza being Buu saga SS2 level at this point. This theory has him still being a good deal stronger than Piccolo, who iirc would be as strong as a SS1(?). So SS2 level is possible. Though he would need the SS3 boost to even touch the top 5 at this level, even if a new form grants this its nothing to God modes.

So yeah, a new special upgrade like god mode me thinks.

Well, by the looks of it, I think this new form of Frieza will be able to hang with SSG-level base Goku (assuming Goku's power level has maintained or improved post-BoG).

Originally posted by Galan007
The look of SSJG was terrible. I can only hope Akira improves upon it in this film.

I did think the SSJ4-esque concept/fanart of SSJG was badass, though...

http://i.imgur.com/UnQ2dSR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kIGLOJv.png

http://i.imgur.com/bEOeb7g.png




See, I actually thought this WAS what we were gonna get. Once again, what we did get was disappointing in comparison to both this look AND the SSj4 look.

I was genuinely surprised that the SSJG look was so bland. It was a less intense Kaio ken? really?

Even if I want to see Gohan getting the spotlight sometime in the future, Frieza is Vegeta's/Goku's enemy. It would make little sense to have the kid taking in such a foe.

Now, when they do revival of C, then Gohan should have the main role

The Super Saiyan God form wasn't so much a transformation as an awakening. Akira Toriyama even said that Goku absorbed it into his being and that's why he could keep up with Bills as a Super Saiyan even after he stopped being a "God."


Source.

Yeah, but he was still given a different look upon attaining Godly power--it would've been nice to see something a little more original, is all.

Regardless, I'm fairly confident that we'll see the equivalent of 'SSJG2' in future films anyway...

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, but he was still given a different look upon attaining Godly power--it would've been nice to see something a little more original, is all.

Regardless, I'm fairly confident that we'll see the equivalent of 'SSJG2' in future films anyway...
He will probably look the same as a SSJ2, now that his base form is as strong as a SSG.

Broly

Originally posted by Galan007
The look of SSJG was terrible. I can only hope Akira improves upon it in this film.

I did think the SSJ4-esque concept/fanart of SSJG was badass, though...

http://i.imgur.com/UnQ2dSR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kIGLOJv.png

http://i.imgur.com/bEOeb7g.png




Eh, I thought the fan art for SSJG was gayer than what Toriyama gave us. I just don't like the whole furry SSJ thing. It looks too much like you're trying to add great ape into it somehow, which isn't where the Saiyan power comes from at all.

Plus, the fan art didn't leave any room for improvement, which was the biggest flaw.

With this new SSJG, it's simple enough that we might even get a SSJG2 or even SSJG3, which would be REALLY badass.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
He will probably look the same as a SSJ2, now that his base form is as strong as a SSG.

Eh, what?

I think you've mistaken the whole "you've absorbed the godly world" thing, entirely.

Goku in his base form is not in any way, shape or form, as strong as SSJG. That would be monstrous.

He DID absorb the feel of godly ki with his memory though, meaning he can use it in his base, and therefor all other, forms. This only means he is a lot stronger. However, his SSJG is still his strongest form. By far.

Originally posted by Galan007
If they're going to bring back a villain, I'm honestly glad it was Freeza. He is, imo, the paramount DBZ villain. I just hope the plot isn't as stupid as some think it will be--I, myself, am optimistic.

I'm glad Toriyama (assuming he is behind the movie) is acknowledging that Freeza is the best Dragon Ball villain.

Well considering his original intent to end the series after the Namek saga, Frieza was (as a result) his end-all-be-all villain originally (not Majin Buu or whoever came after), so makes sense.

I wouldn't mind Cell, Cooler, or someone being brought back in a significant way in the future, but Frieza, the Saiyan & Namekian genocidest getting the treatment first makes the most sense, really.

Also still hope to see other new gods introduced in the future however, that were mentioned to be even stronger than Bills and Whis.

Originally posted by Bentley
Frieza is the best.

But if I could have anyone coming back, I'd bring Android 19 ahah

Agreed.

Android 19 would be the best to bring back.

Bring back 16 as a Z-fighter then, and stronger than ever. uhuh

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Bring back 16 as a Z-fighter then, and stronger than ever. uhuh

Like... Super 16?

No, it's already decided. Android 19 is coming back, and he'll absorb Android 16, 17, and Gero. That will make him stronger than Whiss and Bills if they used the potara fusion, so it should make for an interesting fight with Frieza.

Frieza is the only logical villain to bring back. It was pathetic how he was killed. Even though the manga stated he was more powerful than ever in his cyborg body and Trunks only had the power Goku had on Namek. Yet he gets killed with one move.

Well they could bring back King Cold and Frieza and actually show King Cold do something.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Bring back 16 as a Z-fighter then, and stronger than ever. uhuh

I wouldn't even care if #16 was used in any major capacity... Just to see him return and deliver a few lines would be the equivalent of my DBZ wet-dream. droolio

Moreover, #16's return is actually one of the most feasible/believable 'resurrections' they could give us. I mean, there's no friggin way Bulma didn't save his blueprints from when she repaired him. /shrug

Sixteen is brought back technologically but it turns out that Bulma's attempt to reprogram him to not kill Goku didn't work. Sixteen knowing that he's not physically strong enough to kill Goku and the others plans on using alien biological warfare---similar to the viral heart disease that almost killed Goku---to attempt to kill Goku but it turns out that these viruses are also a threat to a local subspecies of birds and so Sixteen is unable to go through with the release of this virus.

Where's my Oscar?

Random leaked images from the film (1/2):
http://i.imgur.com/HgOO0yv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4pglwZq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dd973lA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/69WV84V.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Y18J2Ar.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WwcYN0L.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PM3ICW9.jpg

Random leaked images from the film (2/2):
http://i.imgur.com/lvYj4kF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sltXtLx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1Kf2wX2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/i4pYCFz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/iaeseo7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Fk0rGqV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Mfd5YuS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wPDGtp2.jpg

CSay38-S4PE

The most interesting tidbits I noticed:
a.) Freeza emerging from some sort of green ooze in his base form.
b.) Goku fighting Freeza as a base Saiyan.
c.) Gohan transforming into a SSJ(bye bye Mystic transformation.)
d.) Freeza still has a shit-ton of goons under his command.
e.) Roshi charging up a blast.

"Freizaaaaa!" God, Goku's jap voice is awful.


Looks good though.

Goku is going to Bolo stomp him.

Originally posted by Galan007
c.) Gohan transforming into a SSJ(bye bye Mystic transformation.)
Wasn't that Goten?

Nah, the guy in the green tracksuit is Gohan.

Well, this happened in the old Battle of the Gods trailer too before it was edited out of the movie.

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0:53

Yeah, I remember. Hopefully that's also the case here... Doubt it, though.

Another interesting tidbit is that Krillin is bald--a sharp contrast to how he's always been depicted in post-Cell-saga continuity(he even had hair in BoG.)

...Subtle differences like that make me wonder if this story will be set in a different universe.

Also, wasn't this supposed to be Vegeta's movie? Why is Goku fighting Frieza? He should be training with Whis and Bills on the other side of the universe.

It was probably a flashback of them back on Namek.

It has to be a current battle, as Goku is wearing his new gi in that scene.

Toriyama just saw Bio-Broly and thought it was genius, that's where the green goop comes from, we're getting Bio-Frieza. That's why Goku is fighting him without the use of Super Saiyan, he knows he'll disintegrate soon and wants to see if before that happens he can overcome an opponent who he couldn't overcome back on Namek in his base form, he wants to prove the statement made in the last movie by Bills false.

English Subbed trailer
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Along with some new pictures
http://i59.tinypic.com/ajxylu.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/34xicmo.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/avgbkn.jpg

That looked pretty cool. I liked seeing the waves of aliens scouring across Earth.

Hoping for full on Roshi combat.

The subs in that trailer are a little off. Here's the actual translation:



Also, here's a bit of new information from the "Story" page of the official Jap website:


Source

Frieza: First form, second form, third form, final form, god form?

You forgot 100% God Form

with that many mooks maybe the b-listers will be able to do SOMETHING helpful. Maybe we might even see some improvement from the humans. More techniques and stuff. sounds fun.

Originally posted by juggerman
You forgot 100% God Form
He might even pull a Toguro and go 100% over 100%.

Originally posted by Yamcha
English Subbed trailer
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Along with some new pictures
http://i59.tinypic.com/ajxylu.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/34xicmo.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/avgbkn.jpg

already looks better than that piece of garbage Battle of The Gods

Originally posted by Astner
He might even pull a Toguro and go 100% over 100%.

Toguro math is awesome.

Originally posted by Astner
He might even pull a Toguro and go 100% over 100%. http://www.legendariummedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/1407163179133.png

I'll go out of my way to admit I HATED the Namek saga for how tediously drawn out it was, not even counting trying to justify spanning a supposed five minute fight across what felt like a thousand ****ing episodes. Doesn't help that Freeza himself began devolving from this supposed tyrant into a generic schoolyard bully. I hope for his sake the film plays up the tyrannical vibes with the power increase to match, and being that it's one feature film, it's bound to have better pacing than relegating an entire chunk of the series to that one location.

I'm excited all the same, but more for the potential this has for future films, not so much for the returning character. Lemme know if Cell pops back up and then I'll be hyped to hell.

Yeah, great a villain as Frieza was, the Namek saga certainly wasn't without its flaws, but I'm confident the pacing with fighting against him in the movie will be better than "five minutes" was on Namek for reasons mentioned, and that they don't make him look like a sad joke like they did when making him a cyborg... The way Trunks wasted him much faster than Goku did despite the dramatic power increase Frieza was said to have gotten in that state, really did no favors for an otherwise threatening villain. ermm

^ In Mecha Freeza's defense, it was stated by Gohan that he was greatly suppressed when he first arrived on earth--and it was never shown or stated that he powered up prior to encountering Trunks.

It's weak that we never got to see his touted 'Mecha-power up', but he at least has a legit/canon excuse for losing so easily. /shrug

And also its not like it was a close fight once Goku turned super saiyan. He was just prolonging the suffering Frieza deserved. if he wanted it over he could have taken him out at any time. Also I may be wrong who knows but I was pretty sure Trunks was stronger than Namek age SS goku before he returned to Earth.

100% final form gave Goku a good fight for awhile though till stamina started taking its toll on him.

Hard to say for sure I guess on whether Trunks at that time was stronger than Namek SSJ Goku (I was under the impression that he was equal to that Goku), but either way he still would've made quick work of Frieza, partly because of the sword. *shrugs*

And point taken on that other stuff.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
And also its not like it was a close fight once Goku turned super saiyan. He was just prolonging the suffering Frieza deserved. if he wanted it over he could have taken him out at any time. Also I may be wrong who knows but I was pretty sure Trunks was stronger than Namek age SS goku before he returned to Earth. Gohan stated that SSJ Trunks' ki was the same as Goku's was on Namek, which tells us they were around the same level.

Anywho, based on what we saw during the Namek saga, Freeza could have been using between 3%-70% of his power, and still retained the small/petite stature he had upon arriving on earth. However, Gohan's statement leads me to believe that Freeza was probably only tapping a lower percentage of his power. After all, Gohan was still on Namek when Freeza utilized 100% power, so his word on the matter is pretty irrefutable...

Yamcha: "Freeza's chi... He's that powerful?"
Gohan: "This is nothing... He gets way stronger than this!"
(Official Viz translation)

So yeah, I'd say Freeza was using 50% power at most when Trunks killed him. After all, the most powerful being Freeza would've planned on encountering on earth(sans Goku), was Vegeta--of whom he had easily slain on Namek while using only 3% of his power. With that knowledge, coupled with him believing Goku was still hours away, showing up at more than 50% power may have been a bit overkill... Even for Freeza. But I digress.

Point: any way you cut it, Freeza was suppressed when Trunks killed him, thus his 'Mecha power up' was never seen.

I'm not sure if Mecha Frieza would actually be able to have the kind of physique that the 100% final form did. Guess it depends on whether his mechanical parts would be able to "bulk up" too like the rest of his body when going 100%.

Freeza only started bulking up when he surpassed 70(ish)% power. So given that he was heavily suppressed on earth, we never got to see if his Mecha form still gained considerable mass upon fully powering up, like his organic form did on Namek.

Originally posted by Galan007
After all, the most powerful being Freeza would've planned on encountering on earth(sans Goku), was Vegeta--of whom he had easily slain on Namek while using only 3% of his power.

I was under the impression he used only 1%. Care to share?

Originally posted by juggerman
I was under the impression he used only 1%. Care to share? That was in the anime. In the manga he was using 3% power initially, which makes sense when you crunch the numbers.

100% Freeza's PL=120m. 1% of 120m=1.2m. A PL of 1.2m would have put Freeza around the same level as his 2nd form(which was stated to "surpass a million", and even weaker than his 3rd form. Obviously he's not going to take a decrease in power upon transforming, as that would defeat the purpose of transformation all together.

Conversely, 3% of 120m=3.6m. A PL of 3.6m not only exceeded that of his other transformations by a large margin, but it also put him decisively above all of the Z Fighters(until a zenkai'd Goku entered the fray, of course.)

Makes sense. But, iirc, Goku was about even with Frieza at first but once Frieza powered up to 50% Goku couldn't even match him with Kaioken times 20.

So if Frieza was matching him at 3% then Goku should have been able to out shine Frieza at 50% if he powered up to twenty times stronger.

If Goku was pretty even with 3% than his Kaioken boost should have put him at Frieza's 60% level

That's why 1% always made sense to me but maybe I overlooked some things

Originally posted by juggerman
Makes sense. But, iirc, Goku was about even with Frieza at first Remember, after he started taking the fight seriously, 3% Freeza was able to match base Goku for a bit using no hands. Granted, Goku got in a few hits--but Freeza still wasn't using any hands(#craycray.) This suggests that Freeza was definitely more powerful.

That said, Freeza didn't like the fact that Goku's power was relatively close to his own, so he began using 50% power. At this point he just wanted to spite-stomp that damn dirty ape.

Originally posted by juggerman
but once Frieza powered up to 50% Goku couldn't even match him with Kaioken times 20. After Freeza began using 50% power, Goku began using KKx10--which Freeza utterly stomped. Once Goku realized that his power was still nothing, he went for broke with the KKx20. This put him on par with Freeza for the few brief moments he was able to sustain it... Which fits perfectly with the power levels listed in the Daizenshuu:
Base Goku=3m
Base Goku(KKx10)=30m
Base Goku(KKx20)=60m
Freeza(50%)=60m

Originally posted by juggerman
So if Frieza was matching him at 3% then Goku should have been able to out shine Frieza at 50% if he powered up to twenty times stronger. KKx20 Goku and 50% Freeza had the same PL. That's why Goku's KKx20 Kamehameha was able to hurt Freeza. However, Goku could only sustain the KKx20 for like 3 pages before he was completely burned out. Prior to that, he was just using KKx10.

Originally posted by juggerman
If Goku was pretty even with 3% than his Kaioken boost should have put him at Frieza's 60% level

That's why 1% always made sense to me but maybe I overlooked some things See above.

Don't know if anyone posted this but here is the first trailer of the movie.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2XDvaBoLNXw

Yo Tien and Roshi are gonna throw down in this?

Originally posted by Galan007
Remember, after he started taking the fight seriously, 3% Freeza was able to match base Goku for a bit using no hands. Granted, Goku got in a few hits--but Freeza still wasn't using any hands(#craycray.) This suggests that Freeza was definitely more powerful.

That said, Freeza didn't like the fact that Goku's power was relatively close to his own, so he began using 50% power. At this point he just wanted to spite-stomp that damn dirty ape.

After Freeza began using 50% power, Goku began using KKx10--which Freeza utterly stomped. Once Goku realized that his power was still nothing, he went for broke with the KKx20. This put him on par with Freeza for the few brief moments he was able to sustain it... Which fits perfectly with the power levels listed in the Daizenshuu:
Base Goku=3m
Base Goku(KKx10)=30m
Base Goku(KKx20)=60m
Freeza(50%)=60m

KKx20 Goku and 50% Freeza had the same PL. That's why Goku's KKx20 Kamehameha was able to hurt Freeza. However, Goku could only sustain the KKx20 for like 3 pages before he was completely burned out. Prior to that, he was just using KKx10.

See above.

Gotcha thanks

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know if anyone posted this but here is the first trailer of the movie.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2XDvaBoLNXw Yeah, it was posted on the last page. Thanks though.

Originally posted by Quincy
Yo Tien and Roshi are gonna throw down in this? According to the official Jap promo-site, Goku and Vegeta will venture off to fight Freeza, while the rest of the B(and C)-list Z Fighters stay on earth to fend off Freeza's army... So if I had to guess, I'd say that is why we see Roshi charging a Kamehameha in the trailer--he's about to layeth the smacketh downeth on some random foot soldiers. Frankly, that got me more stoked than anything. droolio

Sadly, though, Gohan appears to have been demoted to one of said a B-listers. RIP.

Originally posted by juggerman
Gotcha thanks No worries.

I only just found out about this movie and now my jizz stream won't stop.

Gohan's character design in RoF:


The thing we should take away from that image: Mystic Gohan(from BoG) is also depicted... Gives me a shred of hope that Akira hasn't totally neglected his character.

A new base form hairstyle can at least help distinguish him a little more easily from his Ultimate/Mystic Gohan state. Between Wrath of the Dragon and Battle of Gods, it seems like more of a transformation (though I get the feeling Toriyama keeps forgetting about it or something since I remember trailers of BoG having Gohan turn SSJ where he was simply powering up to his ultimate state in the actual movie. Won't be surprised if they do the same thing with that scene in the RoF trailer).

Krillin character-sketch revealed:
http://i.imgur.com/2XMwayl.jpg

Source

Guy who can fly faster than any terrestrial vehicle rides the future-scooter? Makes sense.

And he looks uh.. younger than before to boot, or maybe that's just me.

Satan City Police Department? What?

Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
A new base form hairstyle can at least help distinguish him a little more easily from his Ultimate/Mystic Gohan state.
Mystic wasn't a transformation. It was the increase of Gohan's base power to the limit of his true potential. Gohan couldn't get stronger past that point. That's why he wasn't able to turn Super Saiyan when he tried, just after the ritual.

I just think it'll be awesome when random criminals don't take cop-Krillin seriously because of his small stature, and he proceeds to own them with no effort whatsoever.

True. Well as long as he doesn't pull a gay Saiyaman kind of disguise, it should be good.

Originally posted by Galan007
That was in the anime. In the manga he was using 3% power initially, which makes sense when you crunch the numbers.

100% Freeza's PL=120m. 1% of 120m=1.2m. A PL of 1.2m would have put Freeza around the same level as his 2nd form(which was stated to "surpass a million", and even weaker than his 3rd form. Obviously he's not going to take a decrease in power upon transforming, as that would defeat the purpose of transformation all together.

Conversely, 3% of 120m=3.6m. A PL of 3.6m not only exceeded that of his other transformations by a large margin, but it also put him decisively above all of the Z Fighters(until a zenkai'd Goku entered the fray, of course.)

Hm, now I thought Frieza was using 5% full power on base Goku before he used 50%. I remember, this could be anime only but I still remember it, that Yamcha said at that point that Goku could double his power. King Kai said something like, "He already did! He's been using that Kaioken the entire time!". I just thought it made sense, because it showed that Goku got used to Kaioken at that point, which is why he was able to go Kaioken X20.

I could possibly be wrong, but it's not really in Toriyama's nature to complicate things so much, by making a character use 3.2% of his power. It's just a weirdly specific number, ya know?

Where did 3.2% come from? Haven't looked back over his posts so not sure if that has come up.

He's confusing 3.2% with 3.2 million.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Hm, now I thought Frieza was using 5% full power on base Goku before he used 50%. I remember, this could be anime only but I still remember it, that Yamcha said at that point that Goku could double his power. King Kai said something like, "He already did! He's been using that Kaioken the entire time!". I just thought it made sense, because it showed that Goku got used to Kaioken at that point, which is why he was able to go Kaioken X20.

I could possibly be wrong, but it's not really in Toriyama's nature to complicate things so much, by making a character use 3.2% of his power. It's just a weirdly specific number, ya know? Again: In the manga, Freeza was using 3% power initially. Once he saw that Goku could pose a threat to him, he powered up to 50%--he just wanted to pummel Goku into nothingness. After Freeza began using 50% power, Goku began using KKx10--which Freeza utterly stomped. Once Goku realized that his power was still nothing, he went for broke with the KKx20+Kamehameha. This put him on par with Freeza for the few brief moments he was able to sustain it(2 pages in the manga), which is why said attack(s) were able to cause slight damage to Freeza.

The above also coincides perfectly with the power levels listed in the Daizenshuu:
Base Goku=3m
Base Goku(KKx10)=30m
Base Goku(KKx20)=60m
Freeza(50%)=60m

Just to get the 'possibility-gears' turning, here is more RoF fanart:
http://s9.postimg.org/9zthua95b/la_resurreccion_de_freezer_by_salvamakoto_d88rwd.png



Also, an alternate image of Gohan powering up was released(note his black/Mystic hair):
http://i.imgur.com/rtRfwen.png

Not yet sure if it's also fanart, but it is cool nonetheless.

Frieza ripping off final form Cooler's design?

Tbh they should be similar, if it is only a normal biological form change.

I suppose... Though it wouldn't feel original, it would make me like Frieza's new form more than the other fan concepts I've seen of it, admittedly.

I'll be surprised if Freeza's new form is much different than his current final form, tbh. As he did with SSJG Goku's look, I have a feeling that Toriyama will go the "less is more" route with Freeza's God form as well. /shrug

...Hopefully I'm wrong, though.

Can't help but think Cooler though. He says he has the same number of forms that Freeza had, besides his further increase. And if Cold and Chilled prove anything its that the forms are similar in appearance, if with some pallet changes or minor edits.

Cooler isn't a canon DB character, though, so we can't really take his statements as fact.

So far as manga canon is concerned, Freeza's only known relatives are his father(King Cold), and his unnamed mother. We know Freeza has(or at least had) a mother, because he mentioned his parentS(plural) while fighting Goku:
"You're the first one who's ever put a speck of dust on my body... Besides my parents."

Don't get me wrong, it'd be very cool if Akira canonized Cooler(and especially Chilled) in this film, but I'm just not confident that he will...

He isn't canon, no, but he was still designed by Akira as was Chilled. Regardless of their canon place through his eyes, their design should still be taken into account as much as anything else in the manga.

The problem with using Cooler's transformation is it was already established that a n00b-SSJ can effortlessly beat it.

It wouldn't make sense for Freeza to transform into the exact same form as Cooler, but inextricably be thousands of times more powerful(to the point where he can now contend with, and/or beat, SSJG Goku)... Especially when we consider Cooler's statement that their powers were fairly close(with a slight edge to Freeza) prior to his discovery of a 5th form.

That's why I'm really hoping it's not *just* a new biological transformation... Fingers are crossed that there is a lot more behind it.

That's exactly what I mean. If it is a biological change Akira is already shown with his art in what direction it's most likely to follow, under normal conditions. Something that can only work if either its that k-times boost (ridiculous as far as the series is concerned) or Freeza has been through the jailhouse workout regime all the way past SS3 levels (If what I hear about his true form stalemating current base Goku is correct, throw this one out).


I think miracle, wished upon or a God-Ki Freeza is the only thing that makes sense.

Originally posted by BloodRain
He isn't canon, no, but he was still designed by Akira as was Chilled. Regardless of their canon place through his eyes, their design should still be taken into account as much as anything else in the manga.

Episode of Bardock is canon.

Regardless.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'll be surprised if Freeza's new form is much different than his current final form, tbh. As he did with SSJG Goku's look, I have a feeling that Toriyama will go the "less is more" route with Freeza's God form as well. /shrug

...Hopefully I'm wrong, though.

Toriyama does like the "less is more" subversion. The god of destructions mentor, and most powerful character in the universe, is basically a sushi and pudding eating Okama.

Perfect Cells pretty much the only final boss who looks like a final boss.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Episode of Bardock is canon.

Nope

I know it's typically a common trend for Toriyama, but I think "less is more" is being used too much now... I mean we already got that with Frieza's current final form (minus when it bulks up as he goes somewhere from 70 to 100%), so having another 'less is more' form for Frieza would just be.. meh.

In shorter terms, give us something over the top again. We already got enough "less is more" from Battle of the Gods with the SSJG form.

I wouldn't mind Frieza having something resembling Cooler's final form just because I love the design, but if we get something else that's opposite of "less is more", it'd be fine too.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
In shorter terms, give us something over the top again. We already got enough "less is more" from Battle of the Gods with the SSJG form.

I rather still get a few movies with a less is more design mentality, give it time to get established and then introduce mega evolu- I mean, mega transformations.

Heh.

Nice one, but no thanks.

Personally, I'd wager that Freeza will stay more or less the same upon activating his 'God form', with maybe some very small changes... Though I must admit that a transformation like this would be awesome to see:
http://i.imgur.com/ZIdtBNz.jpg



Either way, there had better be some sort of halfway decent explanation behind how he's become powerful enough to match the Saiyans. If he gains THAT big of an increase JUST by discovering a biological 5th form(like Cooler), I'll be pissed/sickened.

Heard that Frieza is going to slaughter Bills in combat. Don't know if this is true. After that, heard he is heading to earth to get his revenge on Goku. If this is true and Goku wins (don't see how), I guess that means Goku became far more powerful than Bills.

I've been keeping my eye out on all info related to this film, and I've not seen that so much as alluded to on any reputable site, by any reputable source.

Until that changes, I'm just going to write-off what you just said as myth. Not saying it won't happen, but it certainly hasn't been mentioned as of now.

On that note, a few lines of in-film dialogue from Masako Nozawa(the Jap voice of Goku) and Ryūsei Nakao(the Jap voice of Freeza) has been released on 2ch:


Translation:
Freeza: "In order to get my revenge on you people, I preformed what they call 'training' for the first time. This time I'll go at full power right from the start."

Goku: "You would have made a good rival if you hadn't been such a bad guy."

Freeza: "Is it really alright for you to not become Super Saiyan?"

Goku: "Now, I no longer need to."

Wait a minute...Frieza became that powerful due to training? That's ridiculous.

That is what the dialogue suggests, yes.

This better not be a good fight, at all. What kind of training can Frieza do that Goku himself hasn't done. Goku trains every freaking day so the months or yrs of training Frieza has done shouldn't put him anywhere close to Goku...especially god level Goku.

Technically Freeza shouldn't have even been able to train at all, as it has been well-established that an evildoer doesn't keep their body when they die.

...But perhaps Sorbet and Tagoma's wish will iron-out that inconsistency somehow. Dunno. I'm just really, really hoping there's more to his power increase than *just* training--I mean, not even Goku got to where he is by *just* training.

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope Considering that Akira Toriyama wrote the damn thing, that should be enough proof right there. Naho Oishi and Akira Toriyama wrote Episode of Bardock, as well as Akira Toriyama directing it.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Considering that Akira Toriyama wrote the damn thing, that should be enough proof right there. Naho Oishi and Akira Toriyama wrote Episode of Bardock, as well as Akira Toriyama directing it.

Nope

Originally posted by Galan007
Translation:
Freeza: "In order to get my revenge on you people, I preformed what they call 'training' for the first time. This time I'll go at full power right from the start." Originally posted by BloodRain
(...)or Freeza has been through the jailhouse workout regime all the way past SS3 levels (If what I hear about his true form stalemating current base Goku is correct, throw this one out).

Guess its thrown back in.

We know that Akira has written out SS forms for Goku due to his base form getting stronger, but how powerful is his base now?