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Well, the first new Star Wars trailer for a long time- definitely worth its own thread! Obviously spoilers will be here so stay away if you are waiting for a big screen view.

I used the UK youtube link here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta4LIf7ilEY&feature=youtu.be


Just a couple of early thoughts:

- Very coy on plot

- Interesting to see Stormtroopers still around

- Classical vibe enhanced by X-Wings

- I do like the new lightsabre design. Technically a guard like that is a risk of slicing yourself open when made out of sabre energy, but that's no worse than a staff weapon where you can only hold the middle- it looked good.


Overall, nothing like the impact of the first trailer for TPM- where the double sabre/three way fight reveal had people going mental- but this feels (and is) earlier in development than that, and of course many thought the TPM trailer was better than the film itself in the end...

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notice they are still leaving out "episode VII", yet it's a direct sequel to ep 6. I think Disney wants to disown the PT.

you might have to change the thread title.

How on Earth is that disowning the PT? The only thing it would be disowning is the original trilogy.

No change needed- this is episode VII.

the presence of the same characters and storyline far outweighs a non-sequential title.

no I didn't mean now. I just suspect strongly that it will be eventually revealed and then you will have to change the title of the thread.

Sorry, I still have no idea what you are getting at, really.

Nothing is going to be revealed- the opening crawl will have 'Episode VII ' on the same principle as all the others. There's no lack of clarity about what this thread is.

Lame, you banned the EU topics.

The reason for that is pretty much in your post- it's not EU, yeah?

we'll see.

watched it again, and that hyper-panning/shakey cam/lensflare BS in the falcon scene makes me taste bile.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The reason for that is pretty much in your post- it's not EU, yeah?
So you move it to the Prequel Trilogy section... http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/2064095582.gif Seems legit.
I put it in the EU section because most of them don't check the others.

hey could you maybe go confront authority in another thread?

http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/3156199618.gif

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So you move it to the Prequel Trilogy section... http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/2064095582.gif Seems legit.
I put it in the EU section because most of them don't check the others.

Lacking the ability to create new forum areas, this area is the de facto place to discuss the new films.

Sorry, it doesn't matter why you put it there- it's off topic and does not belong there. This is the official thread for it.

Where did Raz state this is the "de facto place to discuss the new films?"

He didn't- the Star Wars area mods did.

I will follow the rules because Badabing decreed it, then. http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/3177439056.gif
Until next time, Ushgarak... http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/752783128.gif

Sorry you're not happy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qq6dQwLh1s&t=0m53s

Nice! The Stormtroopers look pretty cool. Only the lightsaber looks stupid. ^^

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Wait, wut. Just realized this picture was leaked a month before the trailer. We all thought it was fake...
https://dariuslacroix.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/sith-inquisitor.jpg

on a positive note: HNNNNGGG!!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/owmY2Fa.gif

Nice, the trailer looks pretty good....the narrator though... he made me cringe. Other than that it looks okay, though, it's still to early to say whether it's going to be a good movie or a bad movie, the it looks awesome Special Effects wise.

For the most part the trailer was okay, but I had to resist the urge to face-palm when I saw that STUPID three-bladed lightsabre.

That to me confirms what I've been saying all along. This movie/trilogy is just a way to get merchandising deals. That thing was clearly made only because some dipstick thought it would sell toys.

If the filmmakers cared about the fans they'd have adapted the novels. But they don't care about the fans. All they care about is making a commercial to sell as much crap as possible.

This movie will be lame.

It's not three-bladed- it's a cross guard. It's imitating big medieval claymore-like sword. It makes no sense but I think it looks cool- a good assertion of personality.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Ive seen it this light saber is so stupid... If you are ex specialist in light saber combat you will quicly know why....

On Holonet they where laughing at the begining but that's serious...

The X-WIng O.K... But the vilan no simply no change this light saber !!!
The protection is uless if in a blad eto blade combat the ligh saber close from this and they will be cut in anyway !!!
How do you do to perform all the reel needed in light saber combat without cuting your toe with this?

And blabla dark side light side.. It will be like in the original trilogy !!!
Not like in the Bane storyline path of destruction etc...

They think we are just geek who still love any SW moovie and they will make this one like evry others ! (But in a bit more awsome... But it will still a shitty SW moovie).


"It's not three-bladed- it's a cross guard. It's imitating big medieval claymore-like sword. It makes no sense but I think it looks cool- a good assertion of personality.
"

I think we have all noticed that if am right... But that's too much stupid !!!

Now I have the confirmation of a vilan with such.. rho.. It make me feell teh anger, I'm closing to the dark side !!!!
He look nice.. But he have this tupid thing and he won't have the charisma of thrawn, that's just barely possible, and I'm an expert, so I could tell you barely is an euphemism....

This cross gaurd protect from anything... A phrik or cortosis shap like in dooku one is more adequat to this job !!!! It just serve to nothing expet the style and cut your toes when your fighting with it.. It is just good as ceremonial weapon !!!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's not three-bladed- it's a cross guard. It's imitating big medieval claymore-like sword.

True. I just said "three-bladed" for simplicity's sake.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It makes no sense but I think it looks cool- a good assertion of personality.

You're entitled to your opinion of course. Personally I still think it looks stupid. Weapon designs that make no sense are kind of a pet hate of mine.

agreed on that lightsaber not making any practical sense. why have a crossguard that's weakest at the exact point where it needs to be strongest, unless the junction between all 3 blades is made of some lightsaber-proof metal, but if that's the case why not just make the crossguard out of that metal?

That's an indication of how shtty it will be, it have style, but non sens in the universe. Holonet guy laugh whan they see that (they had found "fuites" but an other SW site well non to confirm that's a rummor is true or not with 99% of certitude, and then they said HO SHIT, and it was also my reaction !
The trailer look awsome but does i need to recall than prequel have those anwsome and bad ass fights if you cut at the good moments...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYMJdhbitXQ
And the prequels trailers used that too.. As peharps thise one did !!!!

Personaly I prefer teh prequel to the original trilogy, prequel are considred bad just because many of the fan were kidds when they see the original and adult when they see the prequels.
Me I was a child when I see the prequels, and I've also watched teh original as a child and I have already my prefrence for the original trilogy...

The universe never had any sense. Why all this talk about it being a silly weapon? There was never any sense in sabres at all, or the way they are handled. It's always been about style. This is carrying on that tradition.

Looks good.

Eeeerrr you are talking about on of the coolest weapon of all the Sci-Fi universe....

A weapon wich is really light, and can cut everything? They are in fact energy fields not properly laser.

I'm a exept in light saber combat and there is a technic use to disarm your opponent (use by Kenobi against grievous.)
And it's a basic one for a form I/II master. Especialy form II....

This fan is for nerdies, and SW nerdies are often expert in light saber fighting style.. Because we had nothing to do between episode III and VII...

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ky3ltgkt091qb0763o1_500.jpg

This is an ergonomic weapon with a protection against this technic....


This :
have no purpose !!!!

I always thought the lightsaber's greatest weakness was the lack of a cross guard. This seeks to remedy that weakness. It is possible, as someone else mentioned, that this is a "claymore" looking light saber. I'm okay with that. Bashar mentioned that the material on the crossguard had better be resistant to the plasma blades. And if it is, why not make the entire cross guard made of that material? That makes sense...the electrostaffs of Grievous' guards was made of a sturdy material, it seems (phrik), so why not the crossguard?


Someone mentioned in another thread that it is possible that this is an old lightsaber from waaaay back in the day. Maybe it is an outdated and archaic lightsaber and they have since improved the design. I still think the lack of a cross guard is a glaring weakness and I always have. This new design helps fix that weakness but it leaves something to be desired.

Looks very good and the baddie looks very intriguing.

That teaser is pretty dam good. I have a sneaky suspicion Adam driver is palpatine a son. That would be cool

Bashar, here is a stabilized gif of the Millennium Falcon scene. This will both make you happy and more pissed because this stabilized version is actually better, imo:


Originally posted by dadudemon
Millennium Falcon scene, stablized:

http://i.imgur.com/MVhkmQa.gif

It doesn't look even comparable when stabilized.

I think this is one of the better teasers I've ever seen. Most teasers are little more than a black screen with words and audio. They showed a good deal of actual footage, and got me - someone who isn't a particularly huge fan of the movies, very excited. Thought it looked really cool and Star Wars-y.

Also thought the new Claymore lightsaber was badass as hell.

The darkside...and the light....

That is awesome.....I don't care what anyone else would say

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Eeeerrr you are talking about on of the coolest weapon of all the Sci-Fi universe....

A weapon wich is really light, and can cut everything? They are in fact energy fields not properly laser.

I'm a exept in light saber combat and there is a technic use to disarm your opponent (use by Kenobi against grievous.)
And it's a basic one for a form I/II master. Especialy form II....

This fan is for nerdies, and SW nerdies are often expert in light saber fighting style.. Because we had nothing to do between episode III and VII...

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ky3ltgkt091qb0763o1_500.jpg

This is an ergonomic weapon with a protection against this technic....


This :
have no purpose !!!!

Yeah oddly enough I know how cool lightsabres are. They are also ridiculous and impossible- and it doesn't matter. You are fooling yourself if you think you have some sort of 'genuine' sabre fighting style- all the moves used in the films (except episode IV) are mostly kendo-based, as if you were in a fight where you needed to penetrate armour, whilst 'real' sabre duels would be reach/rapier matches because all you'd actually need to do is poke your opponent once.

But that would look rubbish on-screen compared to the amazing sabre duels we get. Hang the sense of it- it does not matter. Style is king. The claymore, as Backfire put it, is badass. That trumps everything.

Originally posted by JediRobin23
That teaser is pretty dam good. I have a sneaky suspicion Adam driver is palpatine a son. That would be cool

You mean.... Triclope?
No Triclope is a part of post D.E universe like JKA, where byss is completly destroyed...

TMP have also a pretty dam good trailer.

"The darkside...and the light....

That is awesome.....I don't care what anyone else would say"

To me not I hope they won't made as they made in RotJ with Dark side and light side.. But there is a few chance they will make this bad I feel it !!!






This against the rule of the universe sorry !!! That's like if you could go back to the old republic time with the millenium falcon hyper space sorry !!
Don't know how to explain...

Universe mechanics do you understand???? It's not about it is plausible in our universe... It's how it is possible in SW universe !

Each Sci-Fi universe have uniques mechanics. Each one have something wich it's unpossible to do now and it is possible there, but it is definied by mechanics?? Do you understand?

For example many of SW fan really appreciate the X-Wing alliance serie because it was so close to the real SW mechanics it was realist, not in our universe but compare to the SW canon universe, it was !!!!


I appreciate bad ass design for light saber but here there a mistake so...
Darth Maul light saber staff was bad ass ! Bas ass combo X 2 when he reval than he have 2 blades !!! And it was good usefull !!!

A light saber it's like a katana than can cut evrything no matter the direction of the blade...

Originally posted by Revanchiste
You mean.... Triclope?
No Triclope is a part of post D.E universe like JKA, where byss is completly destroyed...

TMP have also a pretty dam good trailer.

"The darkside...and the light....

That is awesome.....I don't care what anyone else would say"

To me not I hope they won't made as they made in RotJ with Dark side and light side.. But there is a few chance they will make this bad I feel it !!!






This against the rule of the universe sorry !!! That's like if you could go back to the old republic time with the millenium falcon hyper space sorry !!
Don't know how to explain...

Universe mechanics do you understand???? It's not about it is plausible in our universe... It's how it is possible in SW universe !

Each Sci-Fi universe have uniques mechanics. Each one have something wich it's unpossible to do now and it is possible there, but it is definied by mechanics?? Do you understand?

For example many of SW fan really appreciate the X-Wing alliance serie because it was so close to the real SW mechanics it was realist, not in our universe but compare to the SW canon universe, it was !!!!


I appreciate bad ass design for light saber but here there a mistake so...
Darth Maul light saber staff was bad ass ! Bas ass combo X 2 when he reval than he have 2 blades !!! And it was good usefull !!!

A light saber it's like a katana than can cut evrything no matter the direction of the blade...

Except by the same logic you are saying the claymore is stupid, then so is Maul's weapon. A hafted/staff weapon is useless in a fight when you can only hold the middle as it nullifies the main advantage of reach.

But it doesn't matter- no-one cares. You are simply being selective in your logic. Any twist of in-universe logic that can justify lightsabres and lightstaffs can be used to justify this one as well. In fact, the very fact it is in the film means it must work in the in-universe logic- that's pretty much that.

And more to the point, it is a distinctive design that works to underscore the wielder's personality- that's good work from a design perspective.

Yeah Maul's Saber Staff was very restrictive in it's use. 1 Blade will always be in the exact opposite position to the other blade.

But who cares it was cool as f***

Maul weapon not stupid at all !!
And I have been a judge for a light saber desining competition I've even seen 4 blade light saber the the design have nothing wrong...

This is too push the light saber designing to the stupidity, light saber staff O.K no problem Kuri light saber O.K The design of the expirimentals light saber in the old republics O.K...

Here no. Not the claymore noo simply nooo... Light saber staff is difficult to handle and have this problem of being easly cuted (exept for Kun one...)
The weapon is also pretty big so I repeat myself difficult to handle !
But there is defensiv and offensiv advantages in compensation.

Here if you try to detail and exploit the weaknesses of such a weapon... Yhea quicly find.. Advantages?? No, there simply NO ADVANTAGES TO USE THIS KIND OF WEAPON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They will cannot justify the use of those blades.. He needn't replace those energitical blade with phrik.. And yhea NOW IT'S WORKING !!! You cannot cut your toes, it's paring light saber, and it have the design of a claymore !!


Do you finally understand?

Holonet staff laugh when they see that weapon.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah Maul's Saber Staff was very restrictive in it's use. 1 Blade will always be in the exact opposite position to the other blade.

But who cares it was cool as f***




Difficult to handle, can be cutedin two... But it have ofensiv and defensiv advantages... And it became a common weapon in the universe !! In JKA without light saber skill LVL3 O.K this weapon suck, but who care in the story mode you can obtain it when you have the light saber skill lvl III !!!

This weapon wasn't a good weapon and in the old republic era, and be considered as a training weapon...

Please stop bringing in EU material here. Also please calm down the nature of your posts and making repeated posts in the same thread.

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs50/i/2009/326/2/d/Lightsaber_Designs_lit_by_Stephen_Daymond.jpg

This are basic design and they ra fines...

Personaly I like when in SW rebels they discuss about form III etc and light saber technics this reference was so enjoyable !!!

http://stephen-daymond.deviantart.com/art/slifer2534-Lightsaber-Request-185412399
This rapier have phrik. I trpotect from light saber blow and lightning...


Inquisitor O.K because if you are lazy in pratice.. The matter his how the blade continue to work.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/221/c/b/Maris_Brood_Lightsaber_by_oscarmiranda90.jpg
Thois O.K.

4 blade light saber WITH an egonoic handling O.K.... I mean not the big one which are just like the fusion of 22 light saber tsaff.. I mean the fusion of Exar kun light saber staff, with some how can I explain it It permit to hand the weapon with one hande the blades are shorts and dam.. Cannot explain...

http://jamesvillanueva.deviantart.com/art/Darth-Nihl-s-Lightsaber-164312085
I love it.

http://fayola.deviantart.com/art/Lightsaber-4-32158840
Here it's working. That's the kind of weapon which is bad ass and usefull in the same time.

http://hapajedi.deviantart.com/art/Curved-Hook-Lightsaber-Hilts-153672608

No purpose.

http://hapajedi.deviantart.com/art/SWTOR-Sith-Warrior-Saber-4-173597626

There it's wonderfull..


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/028/b/5/3d___mace_windu_lightsaber_02_by_araiel-d4nwrqq.jpg
And this purple blade? How that's art. Hum !

Look The 4 blade light saber is in this serie :
http://tanathiel.deviantart.com/art/Sith-Lord-127911690

http://tanathiel.deviantart.com/art/We-will-prevail-273505730

Those are pure bad ass Vilan...

And just look until you find her and her 4 bladed light saber and you will know about What I'm talking about...

I post I recharch I post I recharch.. And sometime I'm rechearching more than 15 minutes and That's too late cannot aedit anymore !!!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Please stop bringing in EU material here. Also please calm down the nature of your posts and making repeated posts in the same thread.
Originally posted by Revanchiste

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif

Fanboys are up in arms about the Sith's cross guards.

http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/11/28/7303233/please-hire-me-jj

Maybe this saber will be used with a different style of saber combat.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_combat

This is a real dissonance thing going on here. People accepted these things as kids, no question, and then suddenly want to apply logic now they are older, but don't apply that retrospectively to just as logically silly things from before.

I think the lightsaber in the teaser looks cool. Reminds me of conans sword. In a sword fight, you can use it to protect your fingers. Makes sense....

Originally posted by JediRobin23
I think the lightsaber in the teaser looks cool. Reminds me of conans sword. In a sword fight, you can use it to protect your fingers. Makes sense....

No it doesn't! In a sword fight those things would be burning he wielder's hand. As said before, from a "real-life" perspective it would be like having a sword where the quillons are double-edged knife blades.

Besides which, from a purely aesthetic stance, it looks stupid and just straight-up ugly.

And for the record I don't like sabre-staffs either.

In real life, when you hold a sword, you have a firm grip. If the attackers blade slides along your blade, then the crossbars stop it.

They wouldn't burn the hand as a Saber blade produces absolutely no heat until it comes in contact with matter. You could literally hold your hand a fraction of an inch away and not feel anything until you actually touch itmSo unless he just drags the webbing of his hand down to the side blades he'll be fine.

Good point. The energy of the lightsaber is there anyway without the crossbars.

i think its a completely fair to point out that the lightsaber crossguard (?) in question is woefully impractical.

I read an acceptable bit of fan theory that because the saber is of an ancient make, those side blades might actually be some sort of exhaust that was necessary before the weapon was modernized. I could accept that. as long as they have a purpose.

and I don't think maul's blade was as impractical as people make it out to be since it's basically a staff and wielded as such.

No, ['m afraid not. Any staff or hafted weapon is wielded along its full length for maximum reach. Only being able to hold it in the middle makes it useless in practice.

Like I said, these 'impractical' criticisms are simply selective. None of this needs justifying- none of it ever made senss to start with.

It's fine if you don't like it of course. But it is not even vaguely 'fair' to try and justify your dislike with spurious reasoning.

Guys, guys, you're trying to apply real logic to a universe, where there are beings who can pull of things real humans can, can push their physicals well above normal, can react to fast moving objects faster than a human eye could see, etc, etc.

So of course this saber wouldn't make sense for real life.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, that's wrong. Any staff or hafted weapon is wielded along its full length for maximum reach.

with certain attacks, yes. he does twirl and dodge with it like a staff, though. would it have been more practical to make the hilt longer and the blades shorter? of course. he would then have been able to perform an attack like you're describing. regardless, it has at least some bearing in practicality.

a crossguard (assuming it is) that's exposed at the exact point where it's required to be effective is just silly.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3imowxCIAA3iTJ.jpg

There is no practical form of staff fighting that involves you only being able to hold the middle. The appeal to realism is fruitless- it;s never been the justification. Like I say, the entire style of all the fights is totally divorced from realism. It's never good grounds. This is star Wars for heaven's sake, with star fighters fighting in WW2 style.

Hmm. The way I see it, a Jedi or sith knows how to use his/her weapon

Originally posted by Ushgarak
There is no practical form of staff fighting that involves you only being able to hold the middle. The appeal to realism is fruitless- it;s never been the justification.

you can't unequivocally invalidate the effectiveness of maul's lightsaber as a theoretical weapon by pointing out certain staff techniques that cannot be performed with it. it's a hybrid weapon so of course there is give and take with strengths/weaknesses and it would require unique handling.

nobody is arguing for totally realistic theoretical martial arts. it's more about weariness of pointless gimmickry.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Like I say, the entire style of all the fights is totally divorced from realism. It's never good grounds. This is star Wars for heaven's sake, with star fighters fighting in WW2 style.

because the crossguard is tacky and at first glance it seems as useless as nipples on a stormtrooper's breastplate.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
with certain attacks, yes. he does twirl and dodge with it like a staff, though. would it have been more practical to make the hilt longer and the blades shorter? of course. he would then have been able to perform an attack like you're describing. regardless, it has at least some bearing in practicality.

a crossguard (assuming it is) that's exposed at the exact point where it's required to be effective is just silly.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3imowxCIAA3iTJ.jpg
Now we're talking !!!

Here its effctive !!

But I'dl prefer a phrik cross guard cloer to the blad to protect the light saber...


Appel to the realism is fruitless but there a limit !!! A border has been recently violated...
Mechanic dude !!!

I need an example does somone can find a thing unpossible in a sci-fi universe, wich a limit of a thing possible in this word the same thing unpossible in our own world?
Do you understand? That's not clear but I need it !! They're so many examples...

Than why you cannot put a super laser on a starfighter for example?
Yhea that's a an example never mind.. I have it...
Axial super laser still pretty big and are technological feat, and don't have the power of the original one...

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you can't unequivocally invalidate the effectiveness of maul's lightsaber as a theoretical weapon by pointing out certain staff techniques that cannot be performed with it. it's a hybrid weapon so of course there is give and take with strengths/weaknesses and it would require unique handling.

nobody is arguing for totally realistic theoretical martial arts. it's more about weariness of pointless gimmickry.



because the crossguard is tacky and at first glance it seems as useless as nipples on a stormtrooper's breastplate.

True true true true true !!!

That lightsaber could be used for plenty of attacks. Kill from many different angles..... It's Star Wars 7. It's supposed to be new and exciting

Good to see the trailer woke up the SW community!

Originally posted by JediRobin23
That lightsaber could be used for plenty of attacks. Kill from many different angles..... It's Star Wars 7. It's supposed to be new and exciting
a dizzying non sequitor.


look man I hate the blade. unless someone can present a new argument or new evidence/explanation on it's purpose, I can't not hate it. but don't let that ruin your own experience.



also someone made it into a chainsaw:

http://i.imgur.com/ETlnSxw.gif

I wonder if any Christians will try to say that this saber is subliminal.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you can't unequivocally invalidate the effectiveness of maul's lightsaber as a theoretical weapon by pointing out certain staff techniques that cannot be performed with it. Why not?

"The saber-staff is stupid and nonsensical, but the new one is approximately 9% more stupid and nonsensical, therefore it's bad!" strikes me as a strange argument to make.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Why not?

"The saber-staff is stupid and nonsensical, but the new one is approximately 9% more stupid and nonsensical, therefore it's bad!" strikes me as a strange argument to make.

ok, and who's making that argument?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
a dizzying non sequitor.


look man I hate the blade. unless someone can present a new argument or new evidence/explanation on it's purpose, I can't not hate it. but don't let that ruin your own experience.



also someone made it into a chainsaw:

http://i.imgur.com/ETlnSxw.gif

It's purpose is to kill. What else do you need?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
ok, and who's making that argument? This guy I guess:

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
... would it have been more practical to make the hilt longer and the blades shorter? of course. he would then have been able to perform an attack like you're describing. regardless, it has at least some bearing in practicality.

a crossguard (assuming it is) that's exposed at the exact point where it's required to be effective is just silly.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Why not?

"The saber-staff is stupid and nonsensical, but the new one is approximately 9% more stupid and nonsensical, therefore it's bad!" strikes me as a strange argument to make.

I never said this.

nor the rest.

are you mistaken or are you being epic trol?

So you think the saber-staff is actually a practical and sensibly designed weapon?

If that's the case, then you're just incorrect.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
So you think the saber-staff is actually a practical and sensibly designed weapon?

If that's the case, you're just incorrect.

no it's more like I have an opinion that i'm expressing while you're presently asserting a false fact.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Why not?

"The saber-staff is stupid and nonsensical, but the new one is approximately 9% more stupid and nonsensical, therefore it's bad!" strikes me as a strange argument to make.

I think it is rather self evident that there comes a point where things become too impractical to be taken seriously.

Now I don't think this specific saber reaches that level of absurdity (others certainly do), but I do think it looks incredibly silly. But, as I've said before, I'm going to want to see it in action before I condemn it.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm going to want to see it in action before I condemn it.

i'm confident that we will have a well written screenplay with compelling character interactions. I think it will be a solid film, despite jj's over-the-top visual gimmickry

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
no it's more like I have an opinion that i'm expressing while you're presently asserting a false fact. What fact would that be, my son? Originally posted by ares834
I think it is rather self evident that there comes a point where things become too impractical to be taken seriously.

Now I don't think this specific saber reaches that level of absurdity (others certainly do), but I do think it looks incredibly silly. But, as I've said before, I'm going to want to see it in action before I condemn it. That point came the moment some idiot used a staff that was a foot too short in the center and prevented him from using it's chief advantage, which is reach. The stupidity heightened when Anakin duel-wielded full-sized swords, a technique that is wildly impractical and used by basically no one ever in real life sword-fighting.

I personally don't have a problem with any of the above mentioned- Ush is just right when he says there's a massive dissonance going about. OT purists have always hated the saber-staff and masturbate furiously to the single hilt's "purity", now people who grew up with the Prequels are hating on this new weapon, and it's kind of funny.

People will obviously have their preferences. They should just recognize that their preferences are biased and not based on any objective metrics.

the assertion that maul's saber was "stupid and nonsensical".

it's your opinion. ush shares it. this doesn't make it a fact. that's not how facts become apparent.

I don't think the saber-staff is stupid. Never said that I did, either.

It is a fact that it's impractical and a dysfunctional weapon though, just like it's a fact that the new sword's cross-guard is dysfunctional.

Originally posted by Tzeentch

It is a fact that it's impractical and a dysfunctional weapon though

no it's not a fact

Originally posted by Tzeentch
just like it's a fact that the new sword's cross-guard is dysfunctional.

neither is that, since we don't know the exact purpose of what we are referring to as a 'crossguard'. if it is supposed to be just that, then i think it's just its purely dysfunctional swag.

Present your argument for why the saberstaff and the lightsaber cross-guard are practical designs.

Lego version

http://youtu.be/qpfWrh1scZU

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Present your argument for why the saberstaff and the lightsaber cross-guard are practical designs.


I expressed the opinion that the crossguard (assuming it's a crossguard) makes no sense because the purpose of one is to catch the opponent's blade at the corner. the point where the blade would connect would not be on the blade portion of the hilt, but the metal. I feel that is a compelling argument. that's why I made it.

burden of proof was on me to support my own claim. it's not my obligation to disprove your every assertion as a pre-condition to my original argument being valid

If it was made with an all energy crossgaurd, then that would look silly

Originally posted by JediRobin23
If it was made with an all energy crossgaurd, then that would look silly

that blade/fire/crackle effect was quite enough to set the blade apart as cool and unique.

I would find the crossguard design much easier to digest as a fan if they had at least taken into consideration the glaring dysfunctionality of that exposed metal.

I don't think it would have looked too silly

http://i.imgur.com/alAGaCO.jpg

Originally posted by Bashar Teg ]I expressed the opinion that the crossguard (assuming it's a crossguard) makes no sense because the purpose of one is to catch the opponent's blade at the corner. the point where the blade would connect would not be on the blade portion of the hilt, but the metal. I feel that is a compelling argument. that's why I made it. How does this conflict with anything I've said?

It is if you're going to contest my assertions. A fact is an opinion that no one can provide a compelling counter-argument for.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
a dizzying non sequitor.


look man I hate the blade. unless someone can present a new argument or new evidence/explanation on it's purpose, I can't not hate it. but don't let that ruin your own experience.



also someone made it into a chainsaw:

http://i.imgur.com/ETlnSxw.gif

Warhammer 40 000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any way :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq8GfXode0

@Tzeentch : you asserted the "fact" that maul's saber was completely impractical with no evidence or reasoning to support your claim.

i'm done arguing this weird bizarro-debate with you. guess that means you're the winner and now maul's lightsaber was factually useless. is that how it works?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that blade/fire/crackle effect was quite enough to set the blade apart as cool and unique.

I would find the crossguard design much easier to digest as a fan if they had at least taken into consideration the glaring dysfunctionality of that exposed metal.

I don't think it would have looked too silly

http://i.imgur.com/alAGaCO.jpg

Can still see some hilt there.

To get technical, lightsabers so far beam out in straight lines. Would not really work without the hilt portion unless the energy/light can bend/alter paths. so, makes me think it serves other functions in combat and can still be used as a crossgaurd if held correctly in sith fashion

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you asserted the "fact" that maul's saber was completely impractical with no evidence or reasoning to support your claim.

i'm done arguing this weird bizarro-debate. guess that means you're the winner and now maul's lightsaber was factually useless. is that how it works? Yes.

Originally posted by Tzeentch


*edit*

Originally posted by JediRobin23
Can still see some hilt there.

To get technical, lightsabers so far beam out in straight lines. Would not really work without the hilt portion unless the energy/light can bend/alter paths. so, makes me think it serves other functions in combat and can still be used as a crossgaurd if gelt correctly in Jedi/sith fasion

everyone's a photoshop critic! but yeah, I didn't bother with that part. if done correctly, there would have to some exposed area, but it could be small enough so that the blade wouldn't touch it. (circle vs 90 degree corner)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq8GfXode0

Watch it (but don't listen about the X-Wing....)

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
*edit*

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f122/blaxican_templar/1394475748113_zpsb0cgg2mw.gif~original

http://richdslade.deviantart.com/art/Bith-Sith-89943064
We are at the limit of the acceptable design.. Buts it's awsome. (Even if for the lateral blades it have teh same problem than The sith inquisitor light saber staff : How it's working? They could make une croix un croisementun angle droit pas laisser ce vide immonde !!!)
And I don't see any problem with the use in combat... Because she use it as traya did In fact yess but nor more than the advantages it offer...

http://richdslade.deviantart.com/ar...assin-156137761

We already have the light saber Knife.. so acceptable...

http://richdslade.deviantart.com/ar...dious-114527170

The wip is weird but Knight suister using it...


It is at the limit. It's barely accepteble to me. But it still a bit fine... Because we see the advantages than you can have in combat...

And in the same kind our last baby...
But I don't see the purpose !!! Really !!! As minimal it was those weapon are based on the awsome design but in the EU it have a purpose... Four "our last baby" not at all !!!

The metal part on the crossguard (absolutly need to generate the energetical blade and have them a bit stable...) make this cross guard useless !!

They could ad phrik pic instead of this !!! and even ad pics on the cross guard...

Like a metalic massue.. Eeer how to explain that.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I don't think it would have looked too silly

http://i.imgur.com/alAGaCO.jpg

Dammit...

That design DOES look better...

And it feels more like a claymore:

http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/large/ED4432.png


Edit - I should point out that I feel that new saber is supposed to resemble a claymore and this is my reasoning with comparing it to the claymore. If this turns out to be inaccurate (meaning, it was not inspired by the claymore design), I'll abandon this idea. But, it looks like it is supposed to be an older style saber that resembles "older stile" swords from human history. I've always had that opinion of lightsabers since a small child. I guess the whole "Knight" and "code" stuff made me think those things.

Being ex-military, every time I read "claymore", I think of an exploding mine.

This picture is a remake because you have metal edge to generate the energy blade wicih is logic (if you know the history of light saber...)
But it that made the cross guard useless.

You coul replace them with conny pic made in phrik. and you can ad this kind of massue pic :
http://thejackspage.free.fr/tuto/3ds%20max/objets/massue-01.png
On thos pics...

It still looke like a claymor it's more usefull...
and if you ad the pic it can ad a vilan metal medevial style !

Alright, much as this seems to have been the main result of the trailer- though lord knows what this says about Star Wars fans- I think this is getting a bit much now. If we really want an extended debate about whether the new weapon is stupid or not, best to have its own thread.

The classic TIE Fighter designs are odd for 30 years later- not even bent wings.

I like the race to tie fighter design when it have the justification which design is just experimental wich one is just a sucess... There is the same designing race than the light saber but Tie fighter suck a lot.... Manoevrable as hell but "This bird as no shield" like they say in SW rebel and his laser quicly overheated and are so much energyvore...
And in the first moovie they was already the bombers the interceptors and tie advanced X1.
There are both kind of tie the experimentals one and the one which are working...

I hope than I will seen some tie advandger, chiss claw fighter, tie defender.

I enjoy the tie from the World devastator remot controlled by an I.A ****ing clever !!!

I also thought it was great not to include any Disney logos. Not ready for that yet. Could have said lucas film but it's ok

Yhea Bwerk This "Dingo Vader" (yhea I call him dingo because I don't remember the name in V.O....) and this luke skywalker Mickey bwwweeeerk..

Bouuuerps ...

I feel bad those image is terrible it make me sick, I already have an headach...

apparently the voice in the trailer was that of andy serkis. so golem might be the main sith villain of this trilogy.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/we-can-reveal-the-true-identity-of-the-mysterious-narrator-of-the-star-wars-trailer

Hmmm. Robin Williams was good at different voices. Sounds possible. Wonder what character he plays though. The voice sounds very dark and deep...

Guess he played Caesars voice in the new planet of the apes. So, sounds like probably

https://imgur.com/gallery/Xc6mozE

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
https://imgur.com/gallery/Xc6mozE

That's just bad. People will always find something wrong with Star Wars, so why worry about it.

The Internet is getting so dumb people will read crap and entertain them self while forgetting its a story and fantacy fiction. It's just that the absolute truth of it, it doesn't matter what it movie will be. That's reminds me of the reason to not make any more Star Wars and just leave it.....

Originally posted by JediRobin23
That's just bad. People will always find something wrong with Star Wars, so why worry about it.

jeez, did that really offend you?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
jeez, did that really offend you?

absolutely not. ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng

Dying.

XD


love
the
lat
one
!!!!
The Internet is getting so dumb people will read crap and entertain them self while forgetting its a story and fantacy fiction.

True jarjar make a poopy scene and then u have an internaional reaction !!!!

Originally posted by BackFire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng

Dying.
haha they threw in hayden christiansen

F*ck Mannequin Skywalker.

I thought the trailer was pretty good for the most part, and the saber is growing on me.

I really do love the blade effect...unless that's how disney plans on depicting all lightsabers...then it sucks.

That's a good point actually- we still need the classic sabre glow effect in there or the personality contrast is lost. I'm sure they will be.

Luke's classic lightsaber I'm sure will be in the movie. Guessing probably still green

they threw in a faint classic lightsaber powerdown soundbit at the very end of the trailer, so that's hopeful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMaHM0ZvC7A

"haha they threw in hayden christiansen"

I love thi actor I don't care I watch teh prequel in V.F for the firt time and hi voice wa a way more better than in V.O !!!
I have the voice + the face acting + the ab wich are jutifying a bit why Padme i falling in love of anakin.

http://auto.img.v4.skyrock.net/8232/19148232/pics/910606824.jpg

Ho yhea exy boy !!!!

If you read the encylopedia about the condition of how the queen i choen... Thi i like "the convent" Ha XD the N and the U where twited on my keyboard it autamicly tranlate XD. Ho nevermind

There i alo an intellectual part becaue anakin i an ideologit.. The Jedi are no don't interfere with politic we're jut here to clean there crap. Anakin have thi idea of changing the world try to make a better world.


And anakin i attrack from her by ome kind of eudipian yndrom....

Yhea finaly explained !!! If you document your elf on all the back tory you can enjoy the prequel !!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4l39Lo194
ANd abou the light aber thi wa awome... The moov were effectiv if you forget the ecurity ditance proper to the theater crime or Kalarypayat...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4hvUvBmoaA
How epiode VII hould have ended cannot wait for it !!!!

Originally posted by BackFire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng

Dying.

That is hilarious. The only time George Lucas ever pissed me off was when he changed rotj on bluray to noooooooooo. Everything else was ok. I don't mind making fun of lucas because of bluray

The only modifications that annoyed me was the "Noooo!" from Vader in RotJ and the pointless CGI creatures shoehorned in ANH.

Why dizney did good with marvel? Becauze marvel fan where very protectiv and the rezt of marvel ztudio too... They allowed them to do video gamez not a lot of comic or mooviez.....

That' mean : DOn't trut dizney !!!


“I’ve never been that much of a money guy,” Lucas says. “I’m more of a film guy, and most of the money I’ve made is in defense of trying to keep creative control of my movies.” Lucas is speaking by phone, giving a reluctant interview about the sale of Lucasfilm. He tells the familiar story about how he didn’t set out to be rich and powerful. He just wanted to make experimental movies like THX-1138, set in a futuristic world where sex is illegal, drug taking is mandatory, and brutal androids make sure people comply with the rules.

Do you truzt him?

O.K you have a decent amount of reazon !!!!! That'z good !!!

read thiz :

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-07/how-disney-bought-lucasfilm-and-its-plans-for-star-wars

DO you truzt dizney?


And yhea that' wa hilarou for the vid !

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-07/the-toy-story-3-story

Ho look at the licenzing part.. It' zcare me.. And you?

Just want to throw this out there that ever since seeing that cross bar on the lightsaber I haven't slept in over 72 hours.

Lucas would have never done something so stupid.

Yep.

http://www.themonolith.com/wp-content/uploads/Jar-Jar-Binks-Thumbs-Up.png

Lol. Lucas just does worse..

Don't feel bad sith master, and get some sleep. There is purpose for it I'm sure.

This one wins:

http://i.imgur.com/1STDEa3.gif

Think of it this way. If Abrams leaves everything the same as in the OT.Trust me, you would complain...

There iz a focuz lenz on each cide of the light zaber to generate the crozzguard ....

zo it make thiz crozzguard uzlezz, thiz get cuted it don't pare like a phrik crozzguard !

http://darthtemoc.deviantart.com/art/Attack-Move-1-497610406

There i thi moove but the lack of reach of the blade don't really allow it ..... In anyway it' dangeriu there a moove from the Jedi wich i able to cut you in two to counter attack thiz one !!!

Originally posted by Sith Master X
Just want to throw this out there that ever since seeing that cross bar on the lightsaber I haven't slept in over 72 hours.

Lucas would have never done something so stupid. Why are you so against this ?

I'm not against it at all. I just have a very odd sense of humor.

I'm fine with it honestly. It's fresh...it's different. I don't need or want to be fed the same thing over and over again. Change is ok for me.

I just find the whole Star Wars culture fascinating. People can't ever sit down and just enjoy anything anymore without finding something idiotic to gripe about.

It's really as if some people are not happy anymore unless they're complaining. The big stink over this lightsaber fiasco I find to be hysterical. Here we have a trailer that's only a minute and a half long, and yet the pure fascination over complaining because something is different has already made it's waves.

I'm just enjoying the ride.

I bet Georgie boy is thrilled this ain't his problem anymore. I know I would be.

Originally posted by ares834
Yep.

http://www.themonolith.com/wp-content/uploads/Jar-Jar-Binks-Thumbs-Up.png


I'd hardly call creating Jar Jar "stupid".

Just a failed attempt at a character. I'm sure he seemed great on paper though.


Speaking of which I would have loved it if the teaser for Ep 7, was just "Meesa cuming baaaak!!!"

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'd hardly call creating Jar Jar "stupid".

Just a failed attempt at a character.

how is this a contradiction? thats just you arbitrarily deciding how the word "stupid" is applied in favor of your own bias.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
how is this a contradiction? thats just you arbitrarily deciding how the word "stupid" is applied in favor of your own bias.



Are you high or something?

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Are you high or something?

i see. when logic fails, posture.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i see. when logic fails, posture.


Yeah except your post had no logic.

Firstly explain to me how a failed attempt = stupidity.

Secondly please point out exactly what ou whom I'm being biased towards? I mean what you think I'm some huge Jar Jar fan or something? I'm a fan claiming he was a failed attempt at a character.

You better have some damn good answers now since you've apparently taken the throne of Logic here.

that was healthy, i'm sure.

hey look you can already 3d print the r2 soccer ball droid!

http://gizmodo.com/you-can-already-3d-print-yourself-a-copy-of-that-star-w-1665250361

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ2D861CF4.jpg

To funly complain cause it's not a big deal. Yes, it does look like a soccer ball. Although I didn't notice until I read it somewhere and seen it here. The ball looks kinda funny

i suspect the ball portion is not a necessary component and we'll see him without it as well.

nice memorabilia...

Originally posted by peluffo
nice memorabilia...

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx80/TheChaos0/mind-blown-2.gif

Originally posted by peluffo
nice memorabilia...

Wow. There is alwalys a connection

Originally posted by peluffo
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy

Haha. Colbert is awesome. His description of the lightsaber totally makes sense. Wish I thought of that

http://youtu.be/uveYdu_2i6M

Yhea but the problem iz the focuz len 3 focuz in the zame point... Impozzible !!!

Becauz when you dezign a light zaber you alzo muzt think to the interior dezign....
If you think to the interior dezign zo in the exterior dezign the crozz guardz blade are uzlezz....

And in the original dezign.. There iz thoze metalic part where the focuz lenz are thoze part make thiz light zaber uzlezz...

XD If there iz only 2 that dozen't matter XD Thiz blade get dezactivated at the firzt hit...

i'm guessing that someone's 'S' key is busted.

Lol. thats what it is. Very hard to understand posts like that. Maybe he just needs another keyboard and complete his words and a spell check.

Yeah. My theory on the metal blade portion of the lightsaber crossbar:
It will still stop a sliding attack with the internal beam if necessary with three crystals. A lightsaber will not produce heat a few inches into the blade but is still effective. The metal doesn't have to be a super heat resistant alloy. The heat structure is in the energy manipulation. Makes sense because the tip of the blade metal doesn't melt, so why not add a few inches inside the blade to address the heat

zquare too and yerzteday morning tab and then capz lock....

I have already imagine thiz theory, but honneztly it make no zenz, the hypothetic zpread focuz lenz nead thoz metal portion to be lodged into... If You cut thoze metal portion blade it will make the blade greatly inztable... AND BECAUZ IN THIZ THEOROY THERE IZ ONLY BLADE THIZ IZ JUZT ZTUPID AZ HELL !!!!

Humhum... Do you know how a light zaber work?

http://giggaheim.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Screen-shot-2010-08-12-at-8.10.56-AM-93x300.png

O.K The criztalz are here, he waz joking don't take him too zeriouzly...

http://img1.starwars-holonet.com/ho...brelaser_02.jpg

Where the criztal iz dude????

http://www.starwars-holonet.com/encyclopedie/personnage-darte-roblio.html
There iz an argument for you but your dn't underztand french XD !!!



http://t2.gstatic.com/images? q=tbn:ANd9GcRCSZrQ52E0jKLJEgtMJzyS4ytbQE9Yfhj6qvic
TN9JWh8YMErT6PUADogH

I have already make a review of a zuch weapon.... Thiz a bit more effectiv... The zpread beam work very well here....

Dooku have a phrik (or cortoziz) metal part on hiz light zaber it it'z one hundred time more ffectif than thiz crozz guard, becauze :
http://img1.starwars-holonet.com/holonet/dictionnaire/photos/arme_sabrelaser_02.jpg
Yhea to generate the lateral blade you need thiz metal part.... Wich can be cut anyway.... And the crozz guard iz juzt too low !!!
Ztill the offenzif potential : Too zhort and the angle iz not really accurate...

http://img1.starwars-holonet.com/holonet/dictionnaire/photos/arme_sabrelaser_24.jpg

Look at thiz it have a better offenziv potential the zpread beam, iz clozer to the blade but that'z the angle wich allow you to reel without cuting your toez, you can attack your opponent hand with it.. But ztill than hiz wielder died the zpread zecondary beam pare a ztrike but the light zaber get dammage and the blade get inztable.... ANd he died...
Thiz iz juzt worzt az hell with thiz claymore.. Crozz gard light zaber ALREADY EXIZT DUDE, they ARE MADE WITH PHRIK AND ZOMETIMEZ CORTOZIZ ON THE EDGE !!! IT ENCIRCLE THE LOWER PART OF THE BLADE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT IZ 1 000 time MORE EFFECTIVE !!!!

you can't be more expert than the guys doing the film, get over it!
And PLEAAASE dont write things like "THIZ IZ JUZT ZTUPID AZ HELL !!!!" because i'm dying here!! Can't laugh any louder without breaking my mouth or something... This imgge kees comin to my mind