Gambit vs Captain America

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thingy150
No morals, ignore the previous fight that they had(it was during avx and thing beat namor underwater so dont trust any of those fights)

Gambit gets 2 decks of playing cards and his bow staff

Cap gets his shield


Who wins?

carver9
Cap wins.

thingy150
reason?

carver9
Faster, stronger, more durable and has already withstood an attack from Gambit without damage.

thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/2347824-avx_zone_006.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/2465189-avx_zone_008.jpg

Gambits playing cards which are much smaller and a lot less thick than the part of caps uniform that gambit charged are supposed to have the same explosive properties as a grenade. The part of cap that gambit charged is much bigger than a playing card so basically cap took an explosion 3-4 times as big as a grenade to the chest, i dont buy it, thats bullshit.

thingy150
Also i do not agree with faster, prove to me cap is faster.

thingy150
Also that is just one of gambits attacks and you and me both know that fights from avx are bullshit.

thingy150
I am not trying to argue in the favor of someone, this is my own thread but cap does not take this fight every time.

carver9
Captain America out racing bullets.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/16715/3364338-cap+vs+bullets.jpg

thingy150
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/jonah-hill-shock.gif

My face when you used a scan, good job carver now you have made a bit of an argument.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/2532/444788-x_men034p05.jpg

blocks projectiles.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/39001/1162534-gambit1.jpg

Blocks lazers from forges gun which we can assume is greater than a regular pistol.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/2532/1136000-gambit01239ar.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/2532/1136001-gambit01244wm.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/2532/1136002-gambit01251mx.jpg

Easily dodges incoming automatic fire for three panes straight.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/2532/1136414-image37.jpg

Gambit does not even know bullets are going to be fired yet he dodges them anyway.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/2532/1136545-1135326_hg_super.jpg

More bullet timing.


Gambit is stated to be super human in speed and agility whereas i have always seen cap stated to be superhuman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103165/2351145-cap_vs_gambit3.jpg

Gambit has already been shown to be able to catch caps shield and if they are fighting with no morals he is going to be throwing a lot of explosives caps way, this fight is very even but in no way is cap taking it every time.

SasuOna
Cap has more over the top feats and actually has an on panel showing of no selling Gambit's powers.
Of course Gambit loses this

thingy150
Originally posted by SasuOna
Cap has more over the top feats and actually has an on panel showing of no selling Gambit's powers.
Of course Gambit loses this


Every round? Cap does not take every round.

thingy150
I do not understand you comment sasu0na, it is not very coherent and i am kind of confused.

Proclaiming cap has "more over the top feats" does nothing to further the thread, show us.

carver9
Your speed scans are not comparable at all to my scan. Nice try though.

thingy150
How so, gambit shows bullet timing easily on par with cap, one scan of him does is not better than a plethora of gambit scans.

Do you really think one scan is greater than all of gambits.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/goetz420/3_07_10_07_5_33_22.jpg

Is able to hit a speedster(quicksilver)

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4563/uncannyxmen27605dt3.jpg

This scan says that gambits thoughts are hard to grab like quicksilvers so this shows how quick he can process information.

http://25.imagebam.com/download/60eZrzkSKA6yMbCokPxehw/11211/112104790/21.jpg

catches a knife at a speed that "defies description"

cap does not take every round and you have done nothing to prove he does.

thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78096/1847383-moar_bullets_1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78096/1847384-moar_bullets_2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78096/1847385-moar_bullets_3.jpg

Dodging all of these bullets in my opinion is better than racing one.

SasuOna
no my post was clear Cap has better feats

thingy150
Originally posted by SasuOna
no my post was clear Cap has better feats

You have done nothing to prove this, your posts are moot.

"Cap has more over the top feats and actually has an on panel showing of no selling Gambit's powers.
Of course Gambit loses this"

what does this do to further the thread? Also what is "no selling" that does not make any sense.

maxivitopowe
No selling is tanking an attack without a reaction

TheHulk

maxivitopowe
No selling is tanking an attack without a reaction

8swords
Originally posted by thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78096/1847383-moar_bullets_1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78096/1847384-moar_bullets_2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78096/1847385-moar_bullets_3.jpg

Dodging all of these bullets in my opinion is better than racing one.

wanna go in and do some math on what you said, "Dodging all of these bullets in my opinion is better than racing one." but I'm too lazy at the moment, laughing out loud , soo anybody wanna do it?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by thingy150
No morals, ignore the previous fight that they had(it was during avx and thing beat namor underwater so dont trust any of those fights

Originally posted by thingy150

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103165/2351145-cap_vs_gambit3.jpg

Gambit has already been shown to be able to catch caps shield.

So, are we ignoring their fight or not?

Anyway, Cap has his own speed feats:
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/4171/ca2105qq7.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9020/10ts0.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/30145/3671718-capitan_america_agilidad_3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/30145/3671719-capitan_america_velocidad_3.jpg

He just has fast reactions:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/30145/3671720-captain-america-dodge-bullets.jpg

And fighting Quicksilver is fine and dandy. How about I see your one panel, and raise you against an amped Spiderman (who, as you know, has precog, and tried to prep himself for this fight)?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/7/77184/3863500-8554383259-36980.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/7/77184/3863501-0301281619-36980.jpg

But beyond speed, which I guess is arguable is equal, Cap has incredible durability, which Gambit does NOT have.

He can take punches from a pissed off Namor:
https://jamesasmus.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/nfm-3.jpg
https://jamesasmus.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/nfm-4.jpg
https://jamesasmus.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/nfm-52.jpg

deathslash
Cap wins

thingy150

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by thingy150
Pis among the highest of regard, that should be the impact of 4-5 grenades not even an inch away from his chest.
Yeah. But it was possible Gambit underestimated Cap's durability so just put enough charge to knock out an ordinary human, which Cap is far above of.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by thingy150
Pis among the highest of regard, that should be the impact of 4-5 grenades not even an inch away from his chest.

And yet, you used Gambit's performance in that very same fight as evidence of his abilities.

Even after telling us to ignore and disregard that fight.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And yet, you used Gambit's performance in that very same fight as evidence of his abilities.

Even after telling us to ignore and disregard that fight.
Typical thingy tunnel vision

thingy150
Originally posted by carver9
Faster, stronger, more durable and has already withstood an attack from Gambit without damage.

Hulkishulk, i used it when debating against carver because in his very 1st post he went against the op.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by thingy150
Hulkishulk, i used it when debating against carver because in his very 1st post he went against the op.
I see

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by thingy150
Hulkishulk, i used it when debating against carver because in his very 1st post he went against the op.
I see. Okay then. You should've made your stance clear

thingy150
Just noticed in darksaints first captain america scan it says "FAP!" in big bold letters lol.

Silent Master
Originally posted by thingy150
Hulkishulk, i used it when debating against carver because in his very 1st post he went against the op.

Here is carver's first post, point out where he went against the op.

Originally posted by carver9
Cap wins.

DarkSaint85
My vote goes to Cap.

Gambit's cards, whilst powerful, would have a top speed around 90mph.

Bullets fly around 2400mph.

If Cap can dodge something as small as a bullet flying at 2400mph, he can dodge a relatively giant glowing card at much lower speeds.

So speed isn't an issue here.

Durability/power is.

Cap has insane damage soak. Much more than Gambit. He is also more skilled than Gambit in fighting, although Gambit potentially has the edge in agility.

But as I have shown with him fighting a prepped, amped Spiderman, king of the agile streets, he can keep up with someone more agile (and moreover, faster/stronger). Even though Spiderman's heart wasn't in the fight, neither was he wanting a beating.

The fight lasts as long until Cap gets close to Gambit, then punches his lights out.

Edit: Muzzle velocities of the AK47 are actually 1588mph, the M16 is 2214mph. Point still stands, an assault rifle bullet is far faster than a thrown card.

thingy150
Originally posted by Silent Master
Here is carver's first post, point out where he went against the op.


It was his second post which i already posted, quit being a smart ass.

Silent Master
Originally posted by thingy150
It was his second post which i already posted, quit being a smart ass.

IOW, he didn't go against the op in his first post like you stated...thank you for admitting that you made a mistake.

thingy150
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, he didn't go against the op in his first post like you stated...thank you for admitting that you made a mistake.


I posted the quote, i got that it was his first post wrong, the only reason you commented was to be a smart ass, it was obvious what happened and it was obvious i just made a minor mistake, what do you gain from being a d*ck.

thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351057-gambit_charges_daken.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351058-gambit_charges_daken2.jpg

remy could potentially do this to cap, cap taking on spiderman in my opinion is cis that stems from caps popularity, without the popularity factor here captain america is peak human fighting against the faster gambit, remy can pull some wins.

I am not arguing that remy wins every round i am arguing that cap does not win as much as you think, no morals, remy is a very tough fight.

Silent Master
Yes, I'm aware that you made a mistake and now that you've admitted it we can get back to the topic at hand.

Cap wins after a good fight.

thingy150
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, I'm aware that you made a mistake and now that you've admitted it we can get back to the topic at hand.

Cap wins after a good fight.


That mistake was minor and you only pointed it out to be an ass.

Silent Master
Are you going to continue to derail the thread or are you ready to get back on topic, like I did in my last post?

thingy150
I derailed the thread, me? You derailed the thread just to be an d-bag

you can get back on topic but it seems that you have to get the last word in about your smart ass, immature comments, just stop, you are not going to get the last word in when you are the one who derailed the thread.

Silent Master
I've tried getting the thread back on topic with my last couple posts, but you insist on posting about how mean I was to point out your mistake, so yes, you are in fact the one that is currently responsible for derailing the thread.


Let's try this again, Cap wins after a good fight.

thingy150
I will derail this thread as much as i want, quit being condescending, it is not your job to get this thread back on track, just leave and let someone else do it, you have to get the last word in don't you?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351057-gambit_charges_daken.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351058-gambit_charges_daken2.jpg

remy could potentially do this to cap, cap taking on spiderman in my opinion is cis that stems from caps popularity, without the popularity factor here captain america is peak human fighting against the faster gambit, remy can pull some wins.

I am not arguing that remy wins every round i am arguing that cap does not win as much as you think, no morals, remy is a very tough fight.

Right, I can understand CIS holding Spiderman from landing blows on Cap - but you're essentially saying Spiderman's CIS was making him take a beating from Cap.

Spiderman's not that stupid.

He has precog, and reflexes/speed. Whilst I admit he could've been holding back from punching Cap, neither did he have to get hit. But he was.

thingy150
I am just saying that cap being able to touch him is pis, i dont think cap should have been able to touch him, popularity does wonders to characters abilities but cap should not be able to stand toe to toe with peter.

carver9
Why is it PIS? Is Orion touching Superman CIS/PIS?

thingy150
Originally posted by carver9
Why is it PIS? Is Orion touching Superman CIS/PIS?

He has touched superman multiple times and has shown super speed along with the fact that orion is a god, captain america is supposed to be peak human, he should not be able to touch someone who has been shown to be faster than him with precognition.

Nice try tho buddy

carver9
Originally posted by thingy150
He has touched superman multiple times and has shown super speed along with the fact that orion is a god, captain america is supposed to be peak human, he should not be able to touch someone who has been shown to be faster than him with precognition.

Nice try tho buddy

Cap is super human and has touched Spiderman more than once. So again, is Orion touching Superman PIS/CIS?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by thingy150
He has touched superman multiple times and has shown super speed along with the fact that orion is a god, captain america is supposed to be peak human, he should not be able to touch someone who has been shown to be faster than him with precognition.

Nice try tho buddy

We don't just go on handbooks, though. We go by what has been shown on panel.

No peak human can see fast enough to dodge multiple assault rifle bullets. None. Cap is beyond peak human, just like Batman isn't just human level.

thingy150
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We don't just go on handbooks, though. We go by what has been shown on panel.

No peak human can see fast enough to dodge multiple assault rifle bullets. None. Cap is beyond peak human, just like Batman isn't just human level.


He should still not be able to touch spiderman, if we go off of what we see in panel then why am i arguing with delta.

some things in panel are stupid, like thor being held down by one frost giant(he was exhausted but still)

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by thingy150
He should still not be able to touch spiderman, if we go off of what we see in panel then why am i arguing with delta.

some things in panel are stupid, like thor being held down by one frost giant(he was exhausted but still)

So....we ignore what's been shown on panel? And merely go on what the handbooks say they are?

No human, no matter how well trained, at the peak of their powers, is dodging assault rifle fire.

Am ignoring what you're arguing with delta. That's a separate item.

DarkSaint85
Also, Cap has punched Spiderman before. Both in the past, and in the present:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/scanscans/spc3tx0.jpg

thingy150
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....we ignore what's been shown on panel? And merely go on what the handbooks say they are?

No human, no matter how well trained, at the peak of their powers, is dodging assault rifle fire.

Am ignoring what you're arguing with delta. That's a separate item.

I am not arguing about handbooks right now, i am saying that he should not be able to touch spiderman who has a precog, not talking about handbooks.

I could be wrong but i dont think cap should be able to touch spiderman either way.

ODG
Originally posted by thingy150
I could be wrong but i dont think cap should be able to touch spiderman either way. If we ignore everything that Cap's done in comics, ignore everything that Spider-Man's similarly skilled opponents have managed in the past, and we especially ignore all the actual on-panel fights between Spider-Man and Cap... yeah, sure.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Will-Ferrell-Confused-Stare.gif

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by thingy150
I am not arguing about handbooks right now, i am saying that he should not be able to touch spiderman who has a precog, not talking about handbooks.

I could be wrong but i dont think cap should be able to touch spiderman either way.

He outreacted/overloaded the precog.

In the first set of scans I posted, you can see Peter's sense going off before Cap punches him in the face.

Then, he tries to avoid the shield, only to get pressure pointed from a different angle. That's just how tactical Cap was (think like Midnighter's computer).

eaebiakuya
Gambit wins. He is faster, and he has much more firepower.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Gambit wins. He is faster, and he has much more firepower.

Faster is debatable (haven't seen anything saying either is conclusively faster), and firepower counts for little when Cap has THE greatest defensive item in Marvel.

Not to mention, if he can dodge bullets, he can dodge cards.

eaebiakuya
Guys, Gambit have a good speed advantage. Blocking bullets with his spear is much harder than block with a shield or dodge a single bullet. You need block every single bullet:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/acmedash/GAMBIT/defesa-01_zps9ccdd432.jpg



Point still stands, an assault rifle bullet is far faster than a thrown card.

Well, in some issues spider-man web is faster than bullets (he is able to create a "web shield" after the bullet is fired.

Here he can react well to web bullets: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/acmedash/GAMBIT/disparo_zps71288a71.jpg


And Gambit as some AOE attacks too. If he kept distance he have alot advantage (he can CATCH the shield). In close combat, he has advantage too, as we saw in they last fight. He could have killed Captain if he wanted too.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Guys, Gambit have a good speed advantage. Blocking bullets with his spear is much harder than block with a shield or dodge a single bullet. You need block every single bullet:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/acmedash/GAMBIT/defesa-01_zps9ccdd432.jpg





Well, in some issues spider-man web is faster than bullets (he is able to create a "web shield" after the bullet is fired.

Here he can react well to web bullets: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/acmedash/GAMBIT/disparo_zps71288a71.jpg

And Gambit as some AOE attacks too. If he kept distance he have alot advantage. In close combat, he has advantage too, as we saw in they last fight. He could have killed Captain if he wanted too.


See my post on page 2. Cap can actually see the bullets. He is plenty fast himself. Not to mention, Cap has outreacted and amped, prepped Spiderman, not just his web bullets (which, incidentally, you have NO IDEA of how fast they go. Spiderman's speed=/=web bullet speed).

OP has told us to disregard the fight Cap/Gambit had anyway, mainly because Cap won.

eaebiakuya
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See my post on page 2. Cap can actually see the bullets. He is plenty fast himself.

Gambit can see then too. He is able to BLOCK multiple bullets, at close range. In the scan that cap say he can see then, he just dodge a single bullet.

Gambit is even fast enough to catch a bullet with his hand: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/110710/2162276-863074-catch_super.jpg




Yes, in other hand he was tagged by Wolverine (wich Gambit has a very good record about who is faster in their fights), and other guys who are not in Spiderman level many times before. Cap is not in Peter speed level. Peter also hold back against cap.

Gambit is in Spider-man level of speed (but imo, Spider man is faster, but not by a lot).



The web is fast enough to catch rockets: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2610625-feat32speedequipmentah2.jpg

To create a shield to block bullets (after they are shot): http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/3390083-198719- even_though_i_couldn_t_find_the_scan_when_spidey_c
atches_a_bullet__maybe_this_will_conpensate._webbing_up_bullets_after_they_are_fired...._super.jpeg

DarkSaint85
Yes but how fast were they in that scan you showed?

Like I said, neither have a clear advantage in speed. Gambit has little to no super strength, so his cards would be travelling around 90mph (the world record holder). Let's say he's 10% faster, and round up, so 100mph.

That's nothing.

DarkSaint85
Here, Cap blocks bullets AFTER they have been fired, behind him:

http://i.imgur.com/zngloNp.jpg

I repeat my point. Any feat war you try to do with regards to speed is a wash, as both sides will have impressive feats.

Speed is not the issue here.

Cap will be able to dodge/block all the cards thrown his way. Any that MIGHT connect, he can heal from.

He can then close the gap, and punch Gambit in the face. Gambit, whilst skilled, isn't that durable, and has no HF to speak of. One punch will be all that's needed, and considering who Cap has managed to take down, this 2nd rate X-man will be next on his list.

thingy150
darksaint you're doing a good job of standing up for cap in this fight

thumb up

basilisk
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but how fast were they in that scan you showed?

Like I said, neither have a clear advantage in speed. Gambit has little to no super strength, so his cards would be travelling around 90mph (the world record holder). Let's say he's 10% faster, and round up, so 100mph.

That's nothing. Interesting... that's a good point.

eaebiakuya
But Gambit dont depend on hit a card in Cap body.

He can use AOE attacks: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/goetz420/3_15_01_07_11_56_27_1.jpg

He can even use the ground as weapon. Or he can use his energized spear. Or just touch Captain.

And i believe everything his throw gain a aditional speed/strengh because kinect energy. He alredy used cards in a decent distance (would be impossible in real life standards).

About speed, i still think Gambit have better feats. He block multiple shots at very close range with a spear, he had to block everysingle bullet (he have others feats of blocking bullets).

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But Gambit dont depend on hit a card in Cap body.

He can use AOE attacks: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/goetz420/3_15_01_07_11_56_27_1.jpg

He can even use the ground as weapon. Or he can use his energized spear. Or just touch Captain.

And i believe everything his throw gain a aditional speed/strengh because kinect energy. He alredy used cards in a decent distance (would be impossible in real life standards).

About speed, i still think Gambit have better feats. He block multiple shots at very close range with a spear, he had to block everysingle bullet (he have others feats of blocking bullets).

Him charging the ground is a non-issue, unless he can suddenly fly/wallcrawl. Plus, your scan does not show AOE attacks- he's just grabbing a handful of dirt and throwing it, same as normal (which, as the OP hasn't specified, he wouldn't be able to do here, assuming an arena setting).

How fast are the items he throws? An assault rifle bullet is ~2000mph. Cap can see and dodge that. If he can go faster than that (so, IOW, throw items ~Mach 3) then you might have a point. I haven't seen anything suggesting that he's throwing supersonic cards, though.

Not to mention, Cap's HF and durability. One shield throw to the face and Gambit's down. Considering Cap has managed to tear through metal tanks and helicopters with his shield throws, not to mention impress even Cyclops with his ricochets/accuracy, I wouldn't wanna see what would happen if a morals off Cap threw that at him.

Werewolf582
Cap

Werewolf582
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Or just touch Captain.

Cause Gambit already tried, succeeded, and got his arse kicked.

thingy150
Originally posted by Werewolf582
Cause Gambit already tried, succeeded, and got his arse kicked.


Read the op next time, that fight is omitted.

Silent Master
Because you don't like it?

thingy150
Originally posted by Silent Master
Because you don't like it?


Because all of the fights in avx were garbage, cap took down warpath right before he fought gambit, whoever wrote that garbage is disabled.

thingy150
Thing beat namor underwater during avx, do you need anymore proof that those fights are garbage?

carver9
Thing didn't beat Namor alone. Context.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by thingy150
Because all of the fights in avx were garbage, cap took down warpath right before he fought gambit, whoever wrote that garbage is disabled.

You're the OP, and can thus make any stips you want.

Just be aware that pretty much everyone else on the forums don't just cherry pick the feats/fights they want and call the rest PIS.

Cap for example has a history of taking the fight to people way above his weight class, let alone some mutant.

He's like Spiderman and Batman in that regard. Also, Thor/Superman. When push comes to shove, they dig deep, and win against overwhelming odds. And people generally don't ignore those showings.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351057-gambit_charges_daken.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351058-gambit_charges_daken2.jpg

remy could potentially do this to cap, cap taking on spiderman in my opinion is cis that stems from caps popularity, without the popularity factor here captain america is peak human fighting against the faster gambit, remy can pull some wins.

I am not arguing that remy wins every round i am arguing that cap does not win as much as you think, no morals, remy is a very tough fight.
Yes, but Gambit is a guy with morals. If I was figting Daken, I would have no problem cutting off his arm and dealinghim wounds that would be fatal for humans knowing that he will heal (assuming that i won't become sushi before I do that). But against Cap, oen would hesistate in dealing major damage

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, I can understand CIS holding Spiderman from landing blows on Cap - but you're essentially saying Spiderman's CIS was making him take a beating from Cap.

Spiderman's not that stupid.

He has precog, and reflexes/speed. Whilst I admit he could've been holding back from punching Cap, neither did he have to get hit. But he was.
Spiderman practically kisses the ground Cap walks on. That would obviously getin the way. Cap getting hits is not the problem, Spiderman is not countering it. Against someone like Rhino, he gets a lucky hit on Spidey would be get him a torrent of kicks in his face, but just won't raise his arms

thingy150
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Yes, but Gambit is a guy with morals. If I was figting Daken, I would have no problem cutting off his arm and dealinghim wounds that would be fatal for humans knowing that he will heal (assuming that i won't become sushi before I do that). But against Cap, oen would hesistate in dealing major damage

First two words of the op are "No morals"

thingy150
Originally posted by carver9
Thing didn't beat Namor alone. Context.


Luke punched him once and that was not in the extra issue, what about cap knocking out warpath, that was a travesty.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by thingy150
Luke punched him once and that was not in the extra issue, what about cap knocking out warpath, that was a travesty.
Cap has beaten about two dozen of Asgardian trolls, who are supposed to be 30 tonners at bare minimum. They should be adding PIS and popularity power to his official powerset to make sense of the things he does.

SamZED
That would make for an awesome bio.

Star428
Originally posted by thingy150
I am not arguing about handbooks right now, i am saying that he should not be able to touch spiderman who has a precog, not talking about handbooks.

I could be wrong but i dont think cap should be able to touch spiderman either way.


I totally agree with you that Cap should never be able to lay a hand on Spidey but it still happens regardless. His spider-sense plus his much superior speed and agility should allow him to easily dodge anything Cap can throw at him but as others have pointed out Cap still has. Call it PIS, I guess or just bad writing.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Spiderman practically kisses the ground Cap walks on. That would obviously getin the way. Cap getting hits is not the problem, Spiderman is not countering it. Against someone like Rhino, he gets a lucky hit on Spidey would be get him a torrent of kicks in his face, but just won't raise his arms

I agree, he does worship Cap, and did so in that Civil War fight.

But just because he was pulling his punches, doesn't mean he had to take the punches and pressure point attacks he did. He could've dodged/blocked them - if he could.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by SamZED
That would make for an awesome bio.
I heard a rumour that Squirrel Girl's latest bio says that her main superpower is the ability to defeat any opponent and the more powerful they are the easier they are to defeat.

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