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Sidious

Vader (pre cyborg)

Tyranus

Maul

vs

Yoda

Windu

Obi Wan

Qui Gon

which side wins?

Going with the Sith.

Jedi.

Sith

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious

Vader (pre cyborg)

Tyranus

Maul

vs

Yoda

Windu

Obi Wan

Qui Gon

which side wins?

Sidious > Yoda 6/10

Mace > Anakin-Vader 6/10

Dooku > Obi Wan 8/10

Maul > Qui Gon 9/10


Seems the Sith are probably taking this one due to their weakest player (Maul) being a lot more powerful than the Jedi's weakest (Qui Gon).

But it really depends how the face-offs work. Mace could hold out Sidious for a long time, which would allow Yoda to annihilate any of the other Sith, then Yoda and any other remaining Jedi would join Mace to take out Sidious

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Jedi.

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious

Vader (pre cyborg)

Tyranus

Maul

vs

Yoda

Windu

Obi Wan

Qui Gon

which side wins? Qui Gon is ultimately a pretty weak addition compared to the Sith team's addition of Dooku, who could reliably ragdoll Obi or Qui Gon.

Mace would have trouble with at least three on the team, Yoda with two, Qui God would lose to any of the Sith, and Obi can't beat any of them easily.

Sidious by comparison would crush half of the Jedi team (he could probably take Obi and Qui at once to be honest), Anakin would lose to Yoda, might do well against Mace, be well-matched with Obi, and would beat Qui Gon. Dooku is a good match for the strongest on the Jedi team and would crush Obi or Qui Gon. Maul would be in over his head against Yoda or Windu, could definitely pull out a win against Obi, and would beat Qui Gon without too much trouble.

Sith win.

Sidious could effortlessly speedblitz half the Jedi team, him and Windu were fighting so fast Anakin couldn't see anything but dozens of faint lightsaber blades, Anakin being an equal to Obi-Wan, plus if Maul can, yeah (Maul being the Raditz of the group)

Windu could trash Maul and imo would beat Dooku, possibly Vader too

Yoda, same as above

Qui-Gon is hardly relevant

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Sidious could effortlessly speedblitz half the Jedi team,


LOL. That's the biggest crock of **** I've ever read on this forum and I've read a lot of crazy ridiculous crap here. These aren't some no-name scrub jedi's that are fighting the Sith. Though I do think the Sith would eventually win it wouldn't be near as easy as you make it out to be. Sidious ain't blitzing anybody here.

Cool story mate, kinda like how Anakin couldn't perceive Windu v Sidious, or how the other 3 top tier Jedi with Windu got fodderised bu Sidious amirite?

Only ones who won't be are Windu and Yoda, Qui-Gon and Obi are hardly anything to Sids

Gotta agree with Stealthranger, Sidious would quickly dispatch Obi and Qui Gon, he's about even with Yoda and better than Mace

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Cool story mate, kinda like how Anakin couldn't perceive Windu v Sidious, or how the other 3 top tier Jedi with Windu got fodderised bu Sidious amirite?

Only ones who won't be are Windu and Yoda, Qui-Gon and Obi are hardly anything to Sids



....and ignorance is bliss, "mate". You must be pretty blissful, huh? LOL. Of course you don't have any evidence of him blitzing anyone who isn't a "no-name" scrub do you, "mate"? No, of course you don't. You're just making shit up... "Mate". Then you have the nerve to tell me I'm the one who is telling a "story".

He's citing the novelization of the fight between Windu and Sidious.

In the Clone Wars series (which I know for a fact RJ 2.0 uses) Sidious was also able to easily blitz and defeat both Darth Maul and Savage Opress, who are both around Obi's level and above Qui Gon's.

So it's not a very outlandish claim at all.

That and I believe there was a vision of the Sids vs Jedi Masters in ROTS which had Sidious as moving fairly fast

That and Jedis deflecting blasters regularly, you know, that happen to move several kilometers in seconds

Show me that calc again. I want to check something.

Which calc are you referring to?

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=22256

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=22248

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21866

So some comfortably hypersonic stuff

Can't find any calcs for the Geonosis/Hoth/Kasshyk scenes atm

The first two are high-powered anti-armour weapons (the second one is used on ships for crying out loud) that I have no reason to assume are on the same level of speed as handheld blasters, and for the third one a bowcaster is much larger and has far greater stopping power than the typical blaster, and to my knowledge no movie Jedi has ever deflected a shot from it (considering that the core is a solid metal shaft it probably wouldn't work too well). Even if they did, the bowcaster is single shot IIRC, and in many cases it could be chalked up to their precog, so proving hypersonic reaction-time based off of that would be more difficult than for deflecting automatic blaster bolts. The blaster one is obviously more legitimate (and I have no problem buying movie Jedi as supersonic), but it is still assuming that the speeder was moving at its top speed.

So I mean, most of it isn't that applicable to Sith or Jedi reflexes.

None of this matters though. What matters is that Sidious has feats blitzing people on Obi level and below, so he can.

I was referring to the Geonosis calc though.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4231/blasterplain1fc5.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6849/blasterplain6bc8.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/241/blasterplain3zo0.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9611/blasterplain5dn7.jpg

Best I can find is some visuals for the Geonosis thing, should be supersonic at least

http://i28.tinypic.com/205ay2p.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/wwg977.jpg

Blaster rifles from Clone Troopers travelling about a kilometer of so after being fired in two frames

The thread on blaster bolt speeds, travelling across the battlefield in seconds and all that

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sw-blaster-bolt-speed.108677/

Most of those I honestly can't tell where the bolt is coming from, lol.

Also, in that thread the second post outright admits that blaster bolt speed "varies wildly".

Which I think is the problem. There's no consistency.