The Force Awakens spoiler/speculation discussion thread

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Ushgarak
Opening this as a tentative thing to gauge approval first.

Seriously spoilery speculation/possible leaks are beginning to appear now. Just like the old days, a lot of this could be garbage or could be spot on.

There's a reddit thread that sums up a giant load of it. So, to check- shall we post up the link and discuss what's within?

Obviously, massive potential spoilers in this thread may be coming.

Ushgarak
Alright I'll go ahead and post them up- read at your own risk. They are not complete spoilers or anything like that but it gives a lot of potential info. Judge for yourself the truth of it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible

My guess would be- some genuine stuff that's getting increasingly mixed up with reported speculation and deliberate nonsense. Note how part 4 specifically denies part 3. I doubt anyone really has access to the JJ/GL relations and what they think, and all of that official-prequel-hate just seems too much like wish fulfilment for the sort of fan who would be on 4chan to seem real to me. Nonetheless, I reckon some of the basic character facts will pan out.

Darth Banus
Cheers ush, some nice reading for my sunday morning!

queeq
Nice indeed.

Ushgarak
I'll be keeping an eye out for any of this being shown to be true, to see if it builds credibility.

queeq
Good

Ushgarak
Some more rumoured spoilers here:

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/02/star-wars-force-awakens-main-cast-rumors-galore/

Hmmm sounds a bit too EU influenced (style-wise) to me- by which I mean the kind of people likely to speculate wildly or make stuff up are probably drawing from the EU.

queeq
All sounds a bit weird an convoluted...

Ushgarak

queeq
Nice tidbit.

|King Joker|
I hope Leia's a Jedi.

queeq
I dunno... from the little things that leak out, looks like Han is still somewhat in the lead. But of course, that doesn't mean anything. We'll see.

Ushgarak

queeq
Funny...

Ushgarak
One persistent spoiler rumour going around is Han Solo dying; more than one website has been running so-called proof of this.

Always an interesting one to see, that one, as this one has been mooted for some 35 years now. It's the rumour that cried wolf.

|King Joker|
I would be kind of surprised if Han didn't die in TFA. But personally if he were to die I think it should be in the Episode 8.

queeq
Sounds fair to be honest. I wonder if that was the condition Ford said yes... wink

Ushgarak
The thing is, whether it is going to happen or not, what with how much Ford and Kasdan both wanted it back in the 80s it was going to be at least discussed, so it's no spoiler to say they discussed it. Whether they put it in is a different matter.

Ushgarak
JJ Abrams on recent Star Wars rumours- some are true, some are not.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31548370

queeq
Well, he sure didn't say a lot. hehehe

|King Joker|
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-force-awakens-opening-sequence-spoilers/

Kylo Ren looks like freakin' Revan in the first pic.

Bashar Teg
that looks fan made. at least i hope it is.

queeq
I've seen it before. Not sure if that's fan made.

Bashar Teg
the spoilers seem plausible but i think that mask looks a wee bit goofy...at least in that rendering.

queeq
It's a design, doesn't mean anything, doesn't mean it gets used.

Ushgarak

NewGuy01
The Revan picture is fanmade. Thanks for the updates, Ush.

queeq
Yeah, Ush. Sounds good. When is it due?

Ushgarak
Most likely guess is with Age of Ultron for the US release.

|King Joker|
Excited to see/hear Lupita Nyong'o and Carrie Fisher. They're really awesome actresses and are just awesome people in general.

queeq
Yup.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Most likely guess is with Age of Ultron for the US release.

I'm hoping we get an exclusive look at Star Wars Celebration this year. Then released online after that weekend.

Bashar Teg
how about you get full big screen experience and the rest of us get 1080p streaming. i agree that you're entitled to a first experience for buying your ticket, but lets not be sadistic about it.

|King Joker|
People will record the trailer at Celebration anyways.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
how about you get full big screen experience and the rest of us get 1080p streaming. i agree that you're entitled to a first experience for buying your ticket, but lets not be sadistic about it.

They could always save it for the last day (a Sunday) at night, then Monday morning it could be online.

queeq
It'll be online. I'm sure. Would be silly if people started paying to see a movie and want exclusivity on a 'commercial' for another movie.

Mist_haermm
I'm assuming the tomb is Vader's, which is why Kylo needs Anakin's lightsaber to unlock it? And also why Luke would be guarding that tomb of all Sith remnants?

queeq
Errr.... didn't you see the end of ROTJ? The funeral pyre... And didn't you see what happened to Vaders hand and lightsaber?

Sounds very fuzzy.

queeq
But there they are, both of them in the trailer... hmmm...

Bashar Teg
http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2015/06/report-photo-of-leias-costume-in-force.html

i guess i cant hotlink it
http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2015/06/report-photo-of-leias-costume-in-force.html

leaked pics of leia

queeq
Hmmm, Ms. Fisher has not aged well... But at least she's got a dynamite personality.

Bashar Teg
cocaine is a hell of a drug

but to be fair thats just a set photo.

queeq
True, but still... I saw her last year in the Big Bang Theory a well...

|King Joker|
VERY INTERESTING, READ MOTHER****ERS: http://makingstarwars.net/2015/07/star-wars-the-force-awakens-spoilers-from-the-battle-of-endor-to-the-battle-of-jakku-galactic-conflict/

S_W_LeGenD
Some scenes in the trailer are cheesy.

queeq
SW is always a bit cheesy. That's part of the SW universe.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by |King Joker|
VERY INTERESTING, READ MOTHER****ERS: http://makingstarwars.net/2015/07/star-wars-the-force-awakens-spoilers-from-the-battle-of-endor-to-the-battle-of-jakku-galactic-conflict/

way better post-OT setup than old crappy EU. so glad disney put that all that drivel to sleep.

|King Joker|
thumb up

queeq
Hehehe

BruceSkywalker
as long as Kylo Ren and Daisy Ridley's character turn out to be Jacen and Jaina Solo then im happy

ares834
Not happening. However Kylo is a Solo. Rey may or may not be a Solo.

|King Joker|
Any confirmation on whether or not Leia's a Jedi?

ares834
No. Doubt she is though.

Edit: She does sense things through the Force though.

queeq
Amazing how few spoilers are out there for this SW movie...

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by ares834
Not happening. However Kylo is a Solo. Rey may or may not be a Solo.

You have any proof or just talking out of your butt after reading MakingStarWars or StarWars7News?

ares834
You sound mad.

Bashar Teg
if only we still had supershadow.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by ares834
You sound mad.

You're saying Kylo is a Solo, as a fact, unless you worked on the film you have no idea if it's true or not.

ares834
Of course. We are talking about leaks here. They aren't always correct and I think we all realize that. And, even if I did have insider info on the film, things could change in reshoots and on the editing floor. With that said, there is little reason to believe MSW is incorrect considering how accurate their info has been so far.

queeq
How do you mean accurate? There's nothing to check it with.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by queeq
How do you mean accurate? There's nothing to check it with.

http://i.imgur.com/LjRj4Se.png

ares834
Originally posted by queeq
How do you mean accurate? There's nothing to check it with.

The trailers and other stuff they've officially released like art or that magazine. Everything from the trailers matches up with stuff they've spoiled. And before you say it, yes, most of these leaks came out before trailer 2 and well before the ComicCon footage.

So yes, there is plenty to check it with.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by ares834
The trailers and other stuff they've officially released like art or that magazine. Everything from the trailers matches up with stuff they've spoiled. And before you say it, yes, most of these leaks came out before trailer 2 and well before the ComicCon footage.

So yes, there is plenty to check it with.

oh yeah? well this link says otherwise:

http://i.imgur.com/JEx0Fhh.png

queeq
Originally posted by ares834
The trailers and other stuff they've officially released like art or that magazine. Everything from the trailers matches up with stuff they've spoiled. And before you say it, yes, most of these leaks came out before trailer 2 and well before the ComicCon footage.

So yes, there is plenty to check it with.

It tells us very little about plot lines, identity of the main characters or their relations. We'll just have to wait and see...

StiltmanFTW
That black guy in the stormtrooper suit really ruined the trailer/teaser for me. Goofy face, scared shitless... he is gonna be Disney's Jar Jar, I guess.

Heard something about the new sith lightsaber being explained?

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That black guy in the stormtrooper suit really ruined the trailer/teaser for me. Goofy face, scared shitless... he is gonna be Disney's Jar Jar, I guess.

I am face palming as hard as I can right now. If you don't like him, you might as well not watch the movie since he's a main character.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That black guy in the stormtrooper suit really ruined the trailer/teaser for me. Goofy face, scared shitless... he is gonna be Disney's Jar Jar, I guess.

gr8 b8 m8 thumb up

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heard something about the new sith lightsaber being explained?

yeah it fits neatly into some custom sith lock which will please many RPG game fans but im still not sold on the practicality of fighting with mutually lethal crossguards.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by NewLanceWindu
I am face palming as hard as I can right now. If you don't like him, you might as well not watch the movie since he's a main character.

That's what I was afraid of. Only one of the main characters, I hope then.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
gr8 b8 m8 thumb up

laughing out loud

Not really baiting, his parts in the trailer just didn't appeal to me. Will wait for the final product.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yeah it fits neatly into some custom sith lock which will please many RPG game fans but im still not sold on the practicality of fighting with mutually lethal crossguards.

Yeah, it does seem impractical.

Using Inquisitor's lightstaff from SW Rebels would've been better. Or *gasps* just a standard lightsaber would do, tbh.

|King Joker|
The Inquisitor's saber is a wretched design, tbh. I much prefer Kylo's cross-saber.

I hope Leia's a Jedi, though. Luke said she'd learn to use the Force as he did (which presumably means he'd train her to be a Jedi, right?) and apparently there's some Jedi during TFA, and I doubt Luke trained them all.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's what I was afraid of. Only one of the main characters, I hope then.



laughing out loud

Not really baiting, his parts in the trailer just didn't appeal to me. Will wait for the final product.



Yeah, it does seem impractical.

Using Inquisitor's lightstaff from SW Rebels would've been better. Or *gasps* just a standard lightsaber would do, tbh.

Finn (black guy), Rey (girl), Poe (X-Wing pilot) are the 3 new main characters. They will share the spotlight in TFA, but I think they will take over more for 8 and might be the only leads by 9.

NewLanceWindu
First pictures from on set of Star Wars: Rogue One!

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/08/first-photos-of-stormtroopers-on-set-from-star-wars-anthology-rogue-one/

queeq
Nice!

NewLanceWindu
New information and pictures from Entertainment Weekly today!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/12/star-wars-force-awakens-character-names

http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars-force-awakens-first-look-gallery/2274223

queeq
Good stuff!

NewLanceWindu
The man himself...

http://i.imgur.com/t6scKkS.jpg

This is amazing.

Emperordmb
Luke looks like a ****ing badass

queeq
MESA LIKEN DIS!!!

Originally posted by NewLanceWindu
The man himself...

http://i.imgur.com/t6scKkS.jpg

This is amazing.

Ushgarak
Ok, so, a couple of interesting character point spoilers about Kylo Ren that have come out lately- first one backs up what NLW posted above. This is not speculation- it's come straight from JJ Abrams.

1. 'Ren' is a title, not a name- like Darth, but a suffix rather than prefix. Kylo is an (ex?) member of the Knights of Ren.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/15/star-wars-episode-7-who-are-the-knights-of-ren-5341563/


2. Specifically, Kylo is NOT a Sith. Supreme Leader Snoke, whom he works for, is a powerful figure in the Dark Side- whether he has a Sith link or not is unknown.

http://www.slashfilm.com/kylo-ren-is-not-a-sith-in-the-force-awakens/


Much speculation about whether Luke founded the Knights of Ren but it all went wrong. Not sure why Luke wouldn't just go for Jedi myself, but until we get a better grip on Abrams' creative ideas, it's hard to read!

Boris
Trying not to get spoiled for this.... eek!

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ok, so, a couple of interesting character point spoilers about Kylo Ren that have come out lately- first one backs up what NLW posted above. This is not speculation- it's come straight from JJ Abrams.

1. 'Ren' is a title, not a name- like Darth, but a suffix rather than prefix. Kylo is an (ex?) member of the Knights of Ren.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/15/star-wars-episode-7-who-are-the-knights-of-ren-5341563/


2. Specifically, Kylo is NOT a Sith. Supreme Leader Snoke, whom he works for, is a powerful figure in the Dark Side- whether he has a Sith link or not is unknown.

http://www.slashfilm.com/kylo-ren-is-not-a-sith-in-the-force-awakens/


Much speculation about whether Luke founded the Knights of Ren but it all went wrong. Not sure why Luke wouldn't just go for Jedi myself, but until we get a better grip on Abrams' creative ideas, it's hard to read!

I heard from someone who claims to have seen the movie (most likely BS) that The Knights of Ren may be the oldest of Force users. After Ren himself died his followers split into 3 factions: Jedi, Sith and the remaining Knights that essentially went into hiding while waiting for the prophesied new leader Darth Vader (immaculate conception, balance, etc), but they were too late in awakening or something. So by the time this movie comes along they are after his blood: Kylo Ren, the child of Han and Leia or Rey, the daughter of Luke and an unnamed mother.

All speculative, but it's a very interesting concept.

Bashar Teg
so we're just going to ignore luke's obvious weight problem?

Ushgarak
He's let a lot of the Force flow through him. It's in all living things, after all.

Bashar Teg
he'll lose the weight in 'Episode VIII: The Force Metabolizes'

seriously though...that robe is not flattering at all.

Bashar Teg
unhooded kylo ren

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN_JycsUwAAlXiC.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN_JyWRUsAAdUTw.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN_JyaTVEAAYyCq.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN_JyYAVEAMY9Yf.png

queeq
Looks like a Stormtrooper helmet type of thing.

Bashar Teg
That + vader and crimson guard. That pattern looks like something from jabbas palace..

queeq
It looks better with a hood. It has cheapish look.

Bashar Teg
http://i.imgur.com/DE4gAKm.jpg

http://www.target.com/p/star-wars-the-black-series-6-inch-kylo-ren/-/A-21406959?

Bashar Teg
nothing? i was truly baffled by this. oh well.

NewLanceWindu
It's just how the 6" figure was made. You can take the blade off the saber, I believe. This keeps all 3 together so you don't lose the small cross guards.

queeq
Good thought.

Bashar Teg
I think its more than some manufacturing solution.. I believe the arc explains how the cross guards can be functional for blocking. Maybe the blade only arcs like that when another blade comes into contact.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I think its more than some manufacturing solution.. I believe the arc explains how the cross guards can be functional for blocking. Maybe the blade only arcs like that when another blade comes into contact.

Haven't seen it in any other form yet, so I dunno. Always a possibility.

queeq
Yeah, but I doubt it.

Bashar Teg
in december you will feast on crow cool

queeq
Deep fried

phinney6
Deep fried crow goes good with a nice glass of red whine.

queeq
Hmmm.... crow...

NewLanceWindu
The trailer is supposedly done, but there's no release date set on it yet.

Hope it comes out soon!

NewLanceWindu
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-awakens-jj-abrams-final-cut/

GET HYPED!

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by NewLanceWindu
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-awakens-jj-abrams-final-cut/

GET HYPED!
Its weird having a final cut star wars film so soon. GL would still be tormenting his vfx people with superficial arbitrary edits though early december.

NewLanceWindu
That means JJ gets the final say, not necessarily that they're done.

Bashar Teg
Ah i see

queeq
Doesn't mean the SFX guys and sound people aren't still working their butt off. You can have a cut version of the film with temp animations in it.

And yeah, "final cut" means JJ gets a final say about the finished version. Although that final cut isn't so final per se, as the article explains. Hehehe

Space Opera
Originally posted by queeq
Doesn't mean the SFX guys and sound people aren't still working their butt off. You can have a cut version of the film with temp animations in it.

And yeah, "final cut" means JJ gets a final say about the finished version. Although that final cut isn't so final per se, as the article explains. Hehehe

Also John Williams is going to start scoring the picture within the next week or so, and I live literally two blocks from Sony Pictures studios in Culver City where he'll be doing the recording. I'm gonna take the three hour tour I think big grin

queeq
Hmmm... sweet!

NewLanceWindu
Rumors all around that the full trailer drops on Monday, along with pre-sales being opened for tickets.

queeq
Aha... interestinggggg!

Bashar Teg
i predict sooner. we will get the trailer by the end friday. i have spoken.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i predict sooner. we will get the trailer by the end friday. i have spoken.

Bet ya $10 that it's Monday.

Bashar Teg
Nah. I dont want to dull your happiness when it comes out by friday.

NewLanceWindu
I wouldn't pay up anyways. smokin'

queeq
laughing out loud

NewLanceWindu
ESPN Caribbean posted on Twitter earlier about the poster reveal being tomorrow and then during Monday Night Football there will be another reveal (aka trailer).

Contacted the theater I'll be going to about ticket pre-sales for Monday and the manager responded with "I can neither confirm nor deny your question, but you might want to check our website Monday afternoon........"

http://i.imgur.com/GenI9m6.gif

Ushgarak
Yup, poster is out, and the trailer's coming on the 20th.

Poster's not bad!

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12079298_1021533271225394_1887301115249010947_n.jpg?oh=95093ec3e99647d2edee9033e017d552&oe=5691BC5F

Note no Luke, adding further credence to rumours that's he's not really in this one.

|King Joker|
Leia's hair! LOL!

Bashar Teg
i was under the impression that we would get a different logo. still looks cool. i'd just like to point out that there is still no reference to "episode 7". this pleases me.

absolutely luke will be in this. we're just supposed to suspect that he wont.

NewLanceWindu
Here's a higher quality.

http://i.imgur.com/uw5r42n.jpg

NewLanceWindu
What do you think of Starkiller Base?

NewLanceWindu
Here's a landscape layout of the poster. Perfect for wallpaper use.

https://i.imgur.com/Xzv98va.jpg

Bashar Teg
Well i hope it's not just another mega-sphere. Maybe there's more to it, like that ship in 2001.

Bashar Teg
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2001_discovery2.jpg

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Well i hope it's not just another mega-sphere. Maybe there's more to it, like that ship in 2001.

It's a planet.

Rumor has it that the First Order didn't build it; but the ancient Sith or the Knights of Ren, thousands of years ago.

REXXXX
Yeah, looks to me like it's built into the planet.

Bashar Teg
i'll reserve judgement on that, then. weird concept though.

Bashar Teg
Some short clips have been posted. Check it out:
http://tinyurl.com/oe7ns36

queeq
Nice stuff all that.

Bashar Teg
awaiting trailer

http://i.imgur.com/CIiDu93.gif

queeq
We all are...

Bashar Teg
all 3 of us

NewLanceWindu
http://i.imgur.com/oxrcC7n.jpg

Lord Lucien
The poster by Drew Struzan actually got me a little excited for this movie for the first time. His artwork is wonderful.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The poster by Drew Struzan actually got me a little excited for this movie for the first time. His artwork is wonderful.

That wasn't a Struzan piece.

NewLanceWindu
Trailer will debut any minute now!

|King Joker|
https://41.media.tumblr.com/7824e18e07171dd7fe49aa7974938ea9/tumblr_nwhwflWMGl1tu6tfso1_540.png

queeq
I like the poster and I like the new trailer. So far it all feels quite good this...

NewLanceWindu
YBh0hgP8wWk

Awesome Duracell commercial. So authentic that Disney guarded the set themselves and had costumes shipped to LA from the London filming of TFA.

queeq
Fantastic!

Bashar Teg
confusing since those look like the old AT-ATs

NewLanceWindu
They haven't really shown the new Walkers yet, so they probably didn't want to confuse the masses. Only us uber nerds will know the difference at the moment.

queeq
If there are any walkers in TFA.

NewLanceWindu
Originally posted by queeq
If there are any walkers in TFA.

There are.

http://theforceawakenstoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/la-et-hc-star-wars-the-force-awakens-teaser-as-001.jpeg

NewLanceWindu
Brand new character posters!

http://i.imgur.com/XSpJVcR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eQ3rtRp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3QFHZuo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Qkbyd9S.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8vZzzgZ.jpg

queeq
Han still has the same clothes and the same gun... Time stood still for Han?

Bashar Teg
the japanese trailer has even more footage.

SdAUiyeJMFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
http://i.imgur.com/dhyiOO3.gif

http://i.imgur.com/ysB1E94.gif

peluffo
Some speculations. Is it Han?

http://i.imgur.com/11ZHJYC.jpg

peluffo

peluffo
And this? any ideas?
http://i.imgur.com/eUTMwhO.jpg

Bashar Teg
maybe thats part of the main weapon, or the engine which propels the planet. whatever it is i hope it's not another exhaust port.

dead guy...i think poe dameron.

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