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Speed equalized

No weapons purely H2H

To the death

Who Wins?

Probably Herc if Diana can't out maneuver Herc.

Also sex

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Probably Herc if Diana can't out maneuver Herc.

Also sex


"Also sex"

I'd give this to Diana, actually. Especially DCnU. With the bracers, awesome defense. Without, she's got a massive amp.

Just H2H? Hercules.

I'd give Wonder Woman the strength advantage, put them equal in durability and give Wonder Woman the advantage in skill.

So Diana claims it

Is this Marvel, DC, IDW, Darkhorse, Boom, or what version of Hercules?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Is this Marvel, DC, IDW, Darkhorse, Boom, or what version of Hercules?

You know what version this is, you just wanted to name a few companies.

There is no character named "hercules" in DC comics btw


Marvel.....obviously........

Diana.

Wonder Woman without too much difficulty

Originally posted by thingy150
There is no character named "hercules" in DC comics btw
Sure there is.

He's even fought Wonder Woman.

He even raped her mom.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Sure there is.

He's even fought Wonder Woman.

He even raped her mom.


Doesn't he go by heracles in dc?

It's the same guy. Our "Hercules" can also go by "Heracles".

Originally posted by Damborgson
It's the same guy. Our "Hercules" can also go by "Heracles".

I know its the same guy but the name is different, i thought it was more prominent for him to be called heracles.

He appeared in this issue.

http://www.comicvine.com/aquaman-29-olympian/4000-448908/

I have that issue lol i forgot about that, i guess he is hercules now because i have seen him called heracles before.

(it was always a mix of the two i think but idk, could be completely wrong, i dont like the way he is drawn in the issue btw)

Herc wins.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'd give Wonder Woman the strength advantage, put them equal in durability and give Wonder Woman the advantage in skill.

So Diana claims it Honestly Herc is noticeably stronger than her but the rest I can agree with.

Current Diana is at the same level of strength as herc.

Do we honestly have to go through this on every debate?

Herc is hinted at being physically stronger than Thor.
Diana is weaker than Supes.

Thor is STRONGER than Supes, now whether it's a full 16x or not I don't care really but it's a tangible difference.

Wtf? When has been here hinted to be stronger than Thor?

And still with Thor bandwagon? Come on kid, who are you fooling? Superman is MUCH stronger than Thor. Even super man haters like quan admit that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wtf? When has been here hinted to be stronger than Thor?

And still with Thor bandwagon? Come on kid, who are you fooling? Superman is MUCH stronger than Thor. Even super man haters like quan admit that.

You are in no position to be calling someone kid, you have said some of the dumbest things i have ever seen in my life.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Honestly Herc is noticeably stronger than her but the rest I can agree with.
Not a chance.

I proved you wrong and your response is c'mon?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I proved you wrong and your response is c'mon?
You didn't prove anything...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I proved you wrong and your response is c'mon?
So your word is proof now?

Just go back to the BRB vs Manjobber battle does the forum reset between battles or something?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So your word is proof now?

Same thing for you in the durability/strength argument.

Everybody ignore him from now on, he is currently trying to dispute mmh moving brainiacs ship with superman, want to know how he is trying to dispute it? By saying mmh durability is too low for him to move the ship.

He says strength and durability are always at the same level(whatever that means). I disproved this multiple times btw.

Please don't bait across threads Thingy. Your just going to get debates closed.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Just go back to the BRB vs Manjobber battle does the forum reset between battles or something?
Where all you did was quote yourself about NASA? Good to know that you don't have anything from comics

Marvel Hercules is stronger than WW. Thats a given. Not sure where the DC version lands; is CM stronger than WW?

People really need to re-think their assumptions that WW is second only to Superman. She just might not be.

As to the battle, its a close call, but i think Hercules wins on slightly less skill but more strength, with equal speed.

Was it the Wasp that stated that Hercules was the most powerful Avenger ever and she's been on teams with Thor? If it wasn't Janet, it was somebody else, but the claim was said.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where all you did was quote yourself about NASA? Good to know that you don't have anything from comics prove the constant wrong that it requires more strength to destroy a planet than shift it from orbit. If you can't concede the argument and stop complaining.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
prove the constant wrong that it requires more strength to destroy a planet than shift it from orbit. If you can't concede the argument and stop complaining.
What constant? Where has it ever been stated in comics that destroying a planet needs more strength than moving it?


Originally posted by abhilegend
Now some strength showings.

Pulls Earth with a harness made by hal.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029f.jpg

Moves Earth+Moon+a huge ship from another solar system via hyperspace

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0044.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0045.jpg

Pulls himself out of the source wall which absorbs a planet across lightyears to the hole superman made

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner017.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner018.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner021.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner022.jpg

Superman holds a solar system destroyer black hole in his hand

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077e.jpg

While weakened moves earth with the help of J'onn and diana

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla075a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla075b.jpg

Stops moon from spiraling out of orbit for hours opposing a machine which had the power output of a sun

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15249004/26.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248994/80PageGiant01a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248995/80PageGiant01b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248996/80PageGiant01c.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248998/80PageGiant01d.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248999/80PageGiant01e.jpg.html

Survives more than a planet's gravity

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/adventuresof618c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/adventuresof618d.jpg

Pushes a growing star system out of orbit

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/Trinity02a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/Trinity02b.jpg

These are condensed planets.

Also the mother of all lifting feats, the infinite book.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01k.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01l.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01m.jpg

Pushes a baby planet out of orbit

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/supermanbatmanannual02a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/supermanbatmanannual02b.jpg

Pushes himself up in a black hole's gravity

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/superman665a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/superman665b.jpg

This was a young superman to boot.

Stops a 70 miles long spaceship travelling fast enough to destroy a planet

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01d.jpg

Moves the endless millwheels of maggedon

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/JLA40-20.jpg

Throws a ship the size of a small moon to another solar system

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/moonmover.jpg

Superman has consistent strength feats over the years. Thor has one feat where he looked planetary in recent years. But yeah, if you're going by strength feats, Superman's feats shit all over Thor's feats.

Nice feats, but needs a lot of context on a bunch of em.

Universal constants.

Posting hyperbole doesn't help your case, neither does using multiple continuities to establish feats....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nice feats, but needs a lot of context on a bunch of em.
Like which?Originally posted by pym-ftw
Universal constants.

Posting hyperbole doesn't help your case, neither does using multiple continuities to establish feats....
Then force enough to overcoming sun's gravitational field+earth's own momentum to move earth out of orbit would shit on planet destroying force.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like which?

Ugh..

Really don't wanna get into it. We've gone through the ones I have in mind too many times.

You have to overcome the Suns gravity in order to move a planet... That constant is what gives the Earth weight or else the earth would be weightless.

Shattering an earth requires roughly the same force as dragging 16 earths, I'm sorry that that upsets you but it is truth.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ugh..

Really don't wanna get into it. We've gone through the ones I have in mind too many times.
Heh, not buying it celey.Originally posted by pym-ftw


You have to overcome the Suns gravity in order to move a planet... That constant is what gives the Earth weight or else the earth would be weightless.

Shattering an earth requires roughly the same force as dragging 16 earths, I'm sorry that that upsets you but it is truth.
Haha, now just random bullshit.

What about earth's own momentum?

Who said that? You really need to let go of real life science when you can't find any in comic proof of your claims.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, not buying it celey.
You must have short term memory if you don't even know which ones..

You need to accept that comics 99.999999...% are using real world science.

The earths momentum is caused by the Suns gravity... The fact you keep showing how little you know and then laughing makes me literally schooling you that much more satisfying.

Please explain how we can find canon examples across companies of benchmarks without using science to determine sterile numbers... Good luck

Constantly ignoring explanations and asking for uneeded clarifications until the other person gets bored and stops debating isnt actually a win.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You must have short term memory if you don't even know which ones..



Originally posted by pym-ftw
You need to accept that comics 99.999999...% are using real world science.

The earths momentum is caused by the Suns gravity... The fact you keep showing how little you know and then laughing makes me literally schooling you that much more satisfying.

Please explain how we can find canon examples across companies of benchmarks without using science to determine sterile numbers... Good luck
And you need to know most writers don't give shit about these kind of physics theories.

Earth's momentum is based on sun's gravity? Do you even know how centrifugal forces work kid? Because earth's momentum keeps earth in its orbit and stops it falling in sun. But like your comic knowledge your physics knowledge is terrible it seems.

Easy, we see how they fight with their peers. I know Superman is stronger than Thor because of his fights. Not his lifting feats, which mind you shits on anything Tho has.

What keeps the earths orbit in place?

Things move in a vacuum, that doesn't give them weight.

So because Daredevil beats up his peers, he's Superman level. Your making faulty assumptions unless you use known constant sterile feats. Which means we have to make assumptions or else your just talking out your ass.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
What keeps the earths orbit in place?

Things move in a vacuum, that doesn't give them weight.

So because Daredevil beats up his peers, he's Superman level. Your making faulty assumptions unless you use known constant sterile feats. Which means we have to make assumptions or else your just talking out your ass.
Momentum is mass*velocity. It has nothing to do with gravity or weight. Now don't say that earth's mass is due to sun.

Do you know what mass means?

Don't be inane. Daredevil isn't a top tier.

Wow, you're debating even worse than usual.

Out.

So you agree the peer argument is bs?

Momentum doesn't mean anything to a weightless object... Wtf are you even arguing at this point?

Planet lift/shift/move <<<< destroying a planet.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So you agree the peer argument is bs?

Momentum doesn't mean anything to a weightless object... Wtf are you even arguing at this point?

Planet lift/shift/move <<<< destroying a planet. Just your inane analogy is BS.

WHAT? Are you really that terrible at physics? Momentum is applicable to even weightless particles like photons. Momentum conversation is a fundamental law of universe. Weight isn't.

It's really like talking to a kid. No matter what, you'll just spout the same BS without any proof.

Photons have weight...

I'm done arguing with you, your not gonna get it and you haven't presented any argument.

lol at you 2. you're like an old married couple....

anyway, i'm as big a herc fan as there is on the forum but even i know diana would take this. if he's stronger (and i think he is) it is by a negligible amount. her speed advantage is huge. she is more skilled than he is, but the difference there is nowhere near as significant as the speed. and the weapon advantage. he could take a couple but she'd take him out far more often than not. maybe 8/10 diana.

Originally posted by tkitna
Was it the Wasp that stated that Hercules was the most powerful Avenger ever and she's been on teams with Thor? If it wasn't Janet, it was somebody else, but the claim was said.

and yes, it was the wasp--but she said MAY be the most powerful avenger ever--and she's been on teams with thor AND hulk. during that avengers arc herc was a beast, regularly outperforming namor and performing some absolutely crazy strength feats. second best incarnation of him after his future incarnations where he takes on galactus h2h and goes apesh!t and ko's zeus....

future herc would be a different story in this fight imo.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Photons have weight...

I'm done arguing with you, your not gonna get it and you haven't presented any argument.
Photons have weight? Dear god..................


Photons by definition are weightless particle. I suggest reading in high school again for you.

Why quit now? I am just looking to see how much physics you know because in every thread remotely related to superman or Thor, you start shit with the exact same argument. It's time to put you in your place. Buckle up.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol at you 2. you're like an old married couple....

anyway, i'm as big a herc fan as there is on the forum but even i know diana would take this. if he's stronger (and i think he is) it is by a negligible amount. her speed advantage is huge. she is more skilled than he is, but the difference there is nowhere near as significant as the speed. and the weapon advantage. he could take a couple but she'd take him out far more often than not. maybe 8/10 diana. the OP equalized speed. I agree normally Diana wins

Originally posted by leonidas
lol at you 2. you're like an old married couple....

anyway, i'm as big a herc fan as there is on the forum but even i know diana would take this. if he's stronger (and i think he is) it is by a negligible amount. her speed advantage is huge. she is more skilled than he is, but the difference there is nowhere near as significant as the speed. and the weapon advantage. he could take a couple but she'd take him out far more often than not. maybe 8/10 diana.
That's not the point. Put stirs shit in every thread by same old argument. "Thor is stronger than superman because NASA said something." and then antagonize everyone. It's just such a lulzworthy argument when you realize just how little he knows about physics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Photons have weight? Dear god..................


Photons by definition are weightless particle. I suggest reading in high school again for you.

Why quit now? I am just looking to see how much physics you know because in every thread remotely related to superman or Thor, you start shit with the exact same argument. It's time to put you in your place. Buckle up. ok you want me to make you look dumb in front of everyone here you go.

Weight is the transference of momentum from one object to another, even light which once was thought to be massless has a very small impact.

With nothing holding the earth in place literally the only weight of the earth is the amount of gravity that the earth exudes. The earths relative momentum in a vacuum has no effect on it.

For whatever reason you think the numbers given are not taking into consideration the Suns effect on planet I'm telling you I already accounted for it, you are pissing and moaning because it disproves baseless assumptions you made.

Sorry grow up "kid"

Originally posted by pym-ftw
the OP equalized speed. I agree normally Diana wins

ah, equalized speed, eh. that def tightens things up. weapons+slight skill edge still gives her a (smaller) advantage though imo. this would be a tough fight for both.

just a clarification: The light momentum of a photon and the momentum of a material particle are not the same thing.

Your talking about something knocking earth off orbit now moving it in orbit.

Originally posted by Evolve
just a clarification: The light momentum of a photon and the momentum of a material particle are not the same thing. but the light momentum has show impact on dust particulates in space.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor is STRONGER than Supes, now whether it's a full 16x or not I don't care really but it's a tangible difference.

You can't possibly be serious!

Superman is easily stronger than Thor.

I would argue that he is legitimately a tier stronger.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor is STRONGER than Supes, now whether it's a full 16x or not I don't care really but it's a tangible difference.


http://img.pandawhale.com/105146-Ice-Cube-Friday-what-gif-dafuq-N9vG.gif

pym ftw just got pwned badly.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Your talking about something knocking earth off orbit now moving it in orbit. What do you mean by knocking it off orbit?

Originally posted by NemeBro
What do you mean by knocking it off orbit? the difference between lifting it in orbit and striking it out of orbit?

Originally posted by Samdayg
pym ftw just got pwned badly. who are you? Kinda sad people make socks to flame because they are too dumb to debate.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
the difference between lifting it in orbit and striking it out of orbit? You said that destroying a planet requires as much force as dragging 16 Earths.

I have proven this statement wrong. That's all that matters. I still don't really know what your problem with the way I proved you wrong is, to be honest.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You can't possibly be serious!

Superman is easily stronger than Thor.

I would argue that he is legitimately a tier stronger.
You would argue with a Stop Sign though.

I'd never argue that Thor is stronger than Superman. He's not.
It isnt a tier difference.

Moving 16 non orbited planetary weights.

Your talking a single blast force to send a planet careening off orbit.

It's like saying the force needed to bend a rubber band is the same to punch through it.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
who are you? Kinda sad people make socks to flame because they are too dumb to debate. Not sure what a sock is, you just suck at debating, and your Marvel bias to boot.

??? Sock says what?

Thor and Superman are roughly equals. If push comes to shove, I'd put Superman down as being stronger. He has too many superior feats.

Don't let Pymftw here you say that, his Marvel bias is out of control

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Moving 16 non orbited planetary weights.

Your talking a single blast force to send a planet careening off orbit.

It's like saying the force needed to bend a rubber band is the same to punch through it. No, I'm talking the force needed to stop the Earth's momentum is over ten times what it requires to destroy it. It requires much more to then pull it out of orbit (IIRC pushing Earth past Mars requires about five hundred times as much force as destroying it).

As for your "non-orbited planetary weights" statement, I assume you're referring to Superman benching the Earth's weight on that machine?

Pym are you talking about the time that Thor, and Herc had an arm wrestling competition, and they knocked the planet off of its axis point? The writer say orbit, but that never really made much sense to me. If so that does make Thor very strong, but I'm not sure if he is stronger than Superman. My gut says no, but he isn't a full tier below Superman in strength. As for this topic, Hercules, and Diana are about the same strength, durability, and their fighting skills are nearly even. Diana is faster though, she can fly, has the lasso, and a tiara that can do some very real damage to him. She wins IMO.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, I'm talking the force needed to stop the Earth's momentum is over ten times what it requires to destroy it. It requires much more to then pull it out of orbit (IIRC pushing Earth past Mars requires about five hundred times as much force as destroying it).

As for your "non-orbited planetary weights" statement, I assume you're referring to Superman benching the Earth's weight on that machine? If what you say is true, does that mean Hyperion could one-shot a planet 10x the size of Earth since he caught the Rogue Planet?

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, I'm talking the force needed to stop the Earth's momentum is over ten times what it requires to destroy it. It requires much more to then pull it out of orbit (IIRC pushing Earth past Mars requires about five hundred times as much force as destroying it).

As for your "non-orbited planetary weights" statement, I assume you're referring to Superman benching the Earth's weight on that machine? Yes I'm referring to Supermans benchpress feat vs Thor's multi planetoids/planet moon busting strikes.

Sure but moving a planet 3 feet or what ever Superman's wingspan is, is significantly less not to mention he didn't physically move the planet. He benched 6.6 quadrillion tons.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
ok you want me to make you look dumb in front of everyone here you go.

Weight is the transference of momentum from one object to another, even light which once was thought to be massless has a very small impact.

With nothing holding the earth in place literally the only weight of the earth is the amount of gravity that the earth exudes. The earths relative momentum in a vacuum has no effect on it.

For whatever reason you think the numbers given are not taking into consideration the Suns effect on planet I'm telling you I already accounted for it, you are pissing and moaning because it disproves baseless assumptions you made.

Sorry grow up "kid"
Haha, this is such a childish tantrum.

Photons don't have weight kid. Any one saying so isn't worth replying for.


And the speed at which the earth rotates has nothing to do with it, right? That would just magically disappear.

So much but there at a feat. Sad.

Did you respond to me after saying anyone responding to me is below you...

Retarded...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yes I'm referring to Supermans benchpress feat vs Thor's multi planetoids/planet moon busting strikes.

Sure but moving a planet 3 feet or what ever Superman's wingspan is, is significantly less not to mention he didn't physically move the planet. He benched 6.6 quadrillion tons.
You are treating as if it was the upper limit of superman's strength.
static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132530/2743131-new_superman_1.jpg

It was a lower level feat for him. If he had to exert himself, earth would have been sucked into a wormhole. Thor wishes he has strength like that.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Did you respond to me after saying anyone responding to me is below you...

Retarded... So bashing again? Do it again and get reported.

Thor created a planet busting shockwave across a vacuum.

Go ahead and report me, you literally bashed in the post before my response.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor created a planet busting shockwave across a vacuum.

Go ahead and report me, you literally bashed in the post before my response.
That's inferior to moving earth as nemebro proved to you.

And that was done with Milner, it's a striking feat rather than strength feat.

Scan of DCNU Superman moving the earth? The machine was 6quadrillion tons, which is below point impact destruction not to mention an explosion across space.

Neme while posting an interesting read, it has nothing to do with what happened in the comic.

Edit:
Mjoinir amping Thor's strength is a given but Thor is swinging it with his strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's inferior to moving earth as nemebro proved to you.

And that was done with Milner, it's a striking feat rather than strength feat. Wrong.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Scan of DCNU Superman moving the earth? The machine was 6quadrillion tons, which is below point impact destruction not to mention an explosion across space.

Neme while posting an interesting read, it has nothing to do with what happened in the comic.

Edit:
Mjoinir amping Thor's strength is a given but Thor is swinging it with his strength.
Shay Veritas directly said that if superman exerted himself, it would cause earth to be sucked into a wormhole. And it was 6.6 sextillion tons.

Neither is your wild theories.

Milner amps Thor's striking power. At this point it's not even debatable.

Oh sorry about that. And Spidey said Sentry beat up Galactus...?

Neme was posting numbers based on Superman moving Earth to Mars. Superman didn't.

I posted numbers based on earth like planets destructions.

6.6 sextillion tons

Vs

53 quadrillion mega tons or 53 sextillion tons.

A statement from someone who was testing his powers and spidey making a hyperbole are same now? You are really desperate now.

He also said earth's Momentum is alone 10 times more than it takes to destroy earth. But as usual you ignored it.

And where was that planet said to be earth sized?

Pot/kettle. Spidey is smarter than random scientists.

The machine wasn't under earths momentum.

It is pictured if you want to play that game, prove that scientist could create a machine capable of simulating the earths weight without superman punching a massive dent in the earth.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Oh sorry about that. And Spidey said Sentry beat up Galactus...?

Neme was posting numbers based on Superman moving Earth to Mars. Superman didn't.

I posted numbers based on earth like planets destructions. Originally posted by pym-ftw
6.6 sextillion tons

Vs

53 quadrillion mega tons or 53 sextillion tons.

Now just show the planet Thor destroyed to be earth sized.

And superman did it casually for five days. Thor was struggling to push a part of moon after that. Seems pretty clear to me.

Not to mention brainiac shop travelling at 36000 my.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now just show the planet Thor destroyed to be earth sized.

And superman did it casually for five days. Thor was struggling to push a part of moon after that. Seems pretty clear to me.

Not to mention brainiac shop travelling at 36000 my. Hasn't Superman struggled with WW with far less than that iirc ?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Pot/kettle. Spidey is smarter than random scientists.

The machine wasn't under earths momentum.

It is pictured if you want to play that game, prove that scientist could create a machine capable of simulating the earths weight without superman punching a massive dent in the earth.
That's wasn't a scientific fact. It was a random hyperbole.

Sucking it away would cause its Momentum to stop.

Because that place was out of synch with earth's space-time as explained later.

Hyperbole is Hyperbole, do you really want to take hyperbole as fact vs Thor?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Hyperbole is Hyperbole, do you really want to take hyperbole as fact vs Thor?
It was a fact after she tested his strength.

After a scientist measures that's strength for five days and makes a plain statement. That's not hyperbole.

Reed also believes Hulk has unlimited strength, has tested Hulk more and is generally all around smarter.

Still dumb to believe that, just like it's dumb to take any no senseical statement as fact.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Reed also believes Hulk has unlimited strength, has tested Hulk more and is generally all around smarter.

Still dumb to believe that, just like it's dumb to take any no senseical statement as fact.
And who said he doesn't? You are refuting it with a fact that is well established that hulk can get strong enough to any degree. Even beyonder said that.

Just because it destroys your argument doesn't mean it's hyperbole. What I find ironic is you are taking a real world science fact when it suits you but ignoring an in comic science fact about the feat because it doesn't suits you. Just shows how filmsy your argument is.

And when we'll see Hulk perm feats of unlimited strength, we'll know that Reed was right.

Until then, hyperbole.

Unless you believe in unlimited anger.

So Hulk has unlimited strength in your opinion?

Originally posted by krisblaze
And when we'll see Hulk perm feats of unlimited strength, we'll know that Reed was right.

Until then, hyperbole.

Unless you believe in unlimited anger.
He has potential to become as strong as he wants as stated countless times in comics. Originally posted by pym-ftw
So Hulk has unlimited strength in your opinion?
So I guess you lost and now want to steer away from that topic?

Answer the question, please

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has potential to become as strong as he wants as stated countless times in comics.
The general statement is that he gets stronger the angrier he gets.

Not that he can get as strong as he wants. I take it you're not familiar with the traditional conflicts that take place in Hulk's comics.

Becoming stronger as you become angrier is not "unlimited" strength because of several reasons.

- There's no unlimited gamma energy.

- Even the emotional avatars are not unlimited.

- Hulk is not the TOAA.

- This hasn't been SHOWN in comics.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Answer the question, please I answered it already. Originally posted by krisblaze
The general statement is that he gets stronger the angrier he gets.

Not that he can get as strong as he wants. I take it you're not familiar with the traditional conflicts that take place in Hulk's comics.

Becoming stronger as you become angrier is not "unlimited" strength because of several reasons.

- There's no unlimited gamma energy.

- Even the emotional avatars are not unlimited.

- Hulk is not the TOAA.

- This hasn't been SHOWN in comics. I said he has the potential not that he can achieve it.

You just contradicted your self in 1 post

Yes Hulk is infinitely strong

Or

No Hyperbole is nonsense.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
You just contradicted your self in 1 post

Yes Hulk is infinitely strong

Or

No Hyperbole is nonsense. So you don't know the difference between potential and actually achieving IT?

Do you not know that you just described hyperbole in a fictional medium.

Concession accepted

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you don't know the difference between potential and actually achieving IT? If someone has the potential then there is a possibility they can reach it. Don't you grasp that ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I said he has the potential not that he can achieve it.
Okay, but that also isn't possible because nobody is infinitely strong beyond the TOAA.

Hulk's potentially unlimited strength is clearly hyperbole since the avatars of anger is not unlimited in Marvel. The concept of anger is not unlimited in Marvel, ergo Hulk can not achieve unlimited strength.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Do you not know that you just described hyperbole in a fictional medium.

Concession accepted
Haha, junior Quan is here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, junior Quan is here. ??

Originally posted by ODG
If what you say is true, does that mean Hyperion could one-shot a planet 10x the size of Earth since he caught the Rogue Planet? Don't know, don't know the feat.

If that planet was as large as Earth and orbiting a star the size of our Sun (I'm not sure if the other planets in the solar system contribute to the energy at all)? Yeah, he probably could.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yes I'm referring to Supermans benchpress feat vs Thor's multi planetoids/planet moon busting strikes.

Sure but moving a planet 3 feet or what ever Superman's wingspan is, is significantly less not to mention he didn't physically move the planet. He benched 6.6 quadrillion tons. I've pointed that out myself in the past, that bench-pressing the weight of the Earth like DCnU Superman did is not the same as pushing the planet out of its orbit. I mean, that isn't what you said in the post I responded to, but all right.

Frankly, I've always thought the 6.6 sextillion feat was pretty overrated. Pre-reboot Superman had much better strength feats than that. Still though, to compare to cracking open the surface of a planet like Thor one has to take into account the relative ease with which the feats were performed and the duration. Thor did his with bursts of energy while fighting for his life, whereas Superman did his over an extended period of time (I think it was five days?) and implied he could do more after doing so.

I'm not sure how much kinetic energy Superman would have been exerting while lifting that weight. I guess it would depend on how fast he lifted it. At Superman's top speed a mass lifted that quickly would result in kinetic energy that would shit on planet busting speeds. Hell, at speeds far less than his top speed it would shit on planet busting speeds. And that would just be the kinetic energy in the mass itself, not how much energy Superman's muscles produced to accomplish the feat.

I don't think we can prove how fast the weight was lifted though, nor do I know of any other way to calculate the kinetic energy (also this much math in comics is sort of gay). So quantifiably Thor's feat is probably superior (though comparing lifting feats to striking feats is tricky, but at the same time I am not too familiar with DCnU Superman). Wasn't it with Mjolnir though?

It was also on a moon and was destroying the planet it was orbiting.

Speed should be left out of it, DC has the speed force which is murky when it comes to any high speed feats.

Tbf any character moving there mass ftl should shred planets just by passing them

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor is STRONGER than Supes, now whether it's a full 16x or not I don't care really but it's a tangible difference.
Ummm.... Seriously?
facepalm

Originally posted by NemeBro
Don't know, don't know the feat.

If that planet was as large as Earth and orbiting a star the size of our Sun (I'm not sure if the other planets in the solar system contribute to the energy at all)? Yeah, he probably could.
An earth sized planet was coming at Earth at 5000 mph and Hyperion caught it

Originally posted by quanchi112
If someone has the potential then there is a possibility they can reach it. Don't you grasp that ?
He can, but hasn't yet. Until then...

Originally posted by thingy150
You know what version this is, you just wanted to name a few companies.

There is no character named "hercules" in DC comics btw


Marvel.....obviously........
There is both Hercules and Herakles in DC. Herucles is the one that Captain Marvel gets his strength from, and Herakles the one Diana has a beef with. Not sure about it after the reboot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wtf? When has been here hinted to be stronger than Thor?

And still with Thor bandwagon? Come on kid, who are you fooling? Superman is MUCH stronger than Thor. Even super man haters like quan admit that.
Much stronger. I disagree. Stronger. Yes

Originally posted by thingy150
You are in no position to be calling someone kid, you have said some of the dumbest things i have ever seen in my life.
Same goes for you thingy.

Originally posted by thingy150
Same thing for you in the durability/strength argument.

Everybody ignore him from now on, he is currently trying to dispute mmh moving brainiacs ship with superman, want to know how he is trying to dispute it? By saying mmh durability is too low for him to move the ship.

He says strength and durability are always at the same level(whatever that means). I disproved this multiple times btw.
Obviously he doesn't know about Butterball who has only human level strength but top tier durability

Originally posted by riv6672
Marvel Hercules is stronger than WW. Thats a given. Not sure where the DC version lands; is CM stronger than WW?

People really need to re-think their assumptions that WW is second only to Superman. She just might not be.

As to the battle, its a close call, but i think Hercules wins on slightly less skill but more strength, with equal speed.
Herakles (obviously Dc) at one time was shown to be stronger than either Superman or Wonder Woman. He's pretty ruthless fighter too. And he has curbstomped Giganta as well.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
You need to accept that comics 99.999999...% are using real world science.

No No No!

Originally posted by leonidas
lol at you 2. you're like an old married couple....

anyway, i'm as big a herc fan as there is on the forum but even i know diana would take this. if he's stronger (and i think he is) it is by a negligible amount. her speed advantage is huge. she is more skilled than he is, but the difference there is nowhere near as significant as the speed. and the weapon advantage. he could take a couple but she'd take him out far more often than not. maybe 8/10 diana.
Leo, the OP states equalized speed

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Do we honestly have to go through this on every debate?

Herc is hinted at being physically stronger than Thor.
Diana is weaker than Supes.

Thor is STRONGER than Supes, now whether it's a full 16x or not I don't care really but it's a tangible difference. what drugs are you taking? Superman is a lot stronger than Thor. His feats are simply far better.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hasn't Superman struggled with WW with far less than that iirc ?
Are you talking abou that aircraft?

Originally posted by krisblaze
The general statement is that he gets stronger the angrier he gets.

Not that he can get as strong as he wants. I take it you're not familiar with the traditional conflicts that take place in Hulk's comics.

Becoming stronger as you become angrier is not "unlimited" strength because of several reasons.

- There's no unlimited gamma energy.

- Even the emotional avatars are not unlimited.

- Hulk is not the TOAA.

- This hasn't been SHOWN in comics.
I has been also stated that his anger and strangth have no limits. The TOAA comparison is awefull as however strong Hulk or anyone gets they can't get even close to the omnipresent omniscient omnipotent creator of the Multiverse that's above all in it. And what you want to beleive has no hold on waht happens in a comics or anything related to the comic book characters

Originally posted by pym-ftw
You just contradicted your self in 1 post

Yes Hulk is infinitely strong

Or

No Hyperbole is nonsense.
Abhi never said that

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Are you talking abou that aircraft?
Thor was restrained by titanium like ropes recently.

Originally posted by pym-ftw


You have to overcome the Suns gravity in order to move a planet... That constant is what gives the Earth weight or else the earth would be weightless.

Shattering an earth requires roughly the same force as dragging 16 earths, I'm sorry that that upsets you but it is truth. oh I see now. Your science knowledge is phucked up.

Well let me tell you something. In the absence of the suns gravity, it would take 100 earth weights to accelerate the earth 100 times more than g.
Also it takes more force to accelerate the earth at g then to destroy it. That means it takes less than 1 earth weight of force to destroy the earth.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
An earth sized planet was coming at Earth at 5000 mph and Hyperion caught it That's uh, really slow, lol. By comparison, the Earth travels at over 60,000 miles per hour in its orbit.

So if those are all the facts involved no, that probably isn't a planet busting feat. A bit less than a tenth of the energy required to bust a planet would have been sufficient to stop an Earth-sized mass traveling at 5,000 mph (assuming that this Earth-sized body is for some reason not subject to gravity).

It was 500000 mph actually.

Originally posted by h1a8
oh I see now. Your science knowledge is phucked up.

Well let me tell you something. In the absence of the suns gravity, it would take 100 earth weights to accelerate the earth 100 times more than g.
Also it takes more force to accelerate the earth at g then to destroy it. That means it takes less than 1 earth weight of force to destroy the earth. are you talking about the 40% theory that has nothing to do with this thread and has to do with eradication of life on the earth?

Btw the earth was hit with another planet and they fuzed we know this already, it takes more than one planet to shatter a planet.

I reckon next, we should calculate the tensile strength of the bench that Superman sat on when he benched all those Earth weights.

Then calculate how much heat his muscles generated when doing it.

Then we can calculate the melting point of the shorts he was wearing/hair gel he was using, to withstand those temperatures.

I guess, we are not even arguing anything to do with superman's feat as a way to skirt the fact Thor's feat is more impressive.

It isn't. But don't let that stop you from harp that in every thread.

I hope your not responding to me

I am.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was 500000 mph actually. Then Hyperion's feat is far above planet busting. About five hundred times better, in fact.

^ So Hyperion with his fullest power punch would one-shot a planet 500x the size of Earth? Or would one-shot Earth with 1/500th the strength of his best shot?

Methinks these comics aren't meant to compute into such quantifications.

If you don't take real-world science or logic into account how do you determine which feats are better?

You could use fights, but really, who gives a flying **** that Hulk beat up Thor, or vice versa, when discussing characters from other settings? Superman hasn't fought either of those mother****ers in current canon that I'm aware of.

It's no different from people saying that WF Mxy (a casual multiverse destroyer and creator) would bolo stomp someone like Odin, who on his best day can just sort of shake it.

How would you determine if Hyperion's feat is better than Superman's (just for example) if you don't consider how strong he would actually have to be in order to stop a planet flying at 500,000 mph?

^Indeed.

Lifting a planet's no more impressive than lifting a goddamn balloon if you don't actually put any science into it...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor was restrained by titanium like ropes recently.


Chill out man, I was just asking him if he was referring to that low end feat, that's all. Not saying anything about it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was 500000 mph actually.
Thanks man

5 stages of Grief

1 Denial
2 Anger
3 bargaining
4 depression
5 acceptance.

Just thought I'd leave this here.

You are going through all that? Ah poor you.

??? You realiz I have you on ignore right?

I do. It seems even more amusing now.

???

Why don't you bring some more calculations from random sites and claim they are from NASA?