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Zoom

Ultron via Hypnosis

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ultron via Hypnosis

BFR

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ultron via Hypnosis

Zoom via time manip.

AOU Ultron had time manip tech to stop either scenario.

Is that the version being used here?

I'd assume so, most recent version and time guys.

Fair enough.

Didn't AoU end precisely through timeline manip, though?

Kinda but it's not applicable, Pym added a killswitch to Ultron and then used it.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Kinda but it's not applicable, Pym added a killswitch to Ultron and then used it.

So what if Pym never created Ultron?

Tbf AoU had Ultron coming from separate timelines so AoU Ultron may not be considered 616 Ultron. Idk so it's possible it would stop Ultron but then again Idk how Zoom could find Pym's lab especially when most of them are shrunken down during that era.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Tbf AoU had Ultron coming from separate timelines so AoU Ultron may not be considered 616 Ultron. Idk so it's possible it would stop Ultron but then again Idk how Zoom could find Pym's lab especially when most of them are shrunken down during that era.

He's kinda broken, in that he can access someone's timeline, and just keep studying them until he finds the perfect moment to strike:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/zoomtimestop1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/zoomtimestop2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/zoomtimestop3.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/zoomtimestop4.jpg

i can't see zoom beating ultron....

Also, to add a further comment, I guess it depends on whether you think Zoom can alter someone who he's never met before's timeline, or someone from a different Universe.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zoom via time manip.

Would he even use this 'in character'?

Originally posted by leonidas
i can't see zoom beating ultron....

He isn't beating Ultron.

Originally posted by carver9
Would he even use this 'in character'?

Occasion 1:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/zoom1-1.jpg

Occasions 2/3/4 (he was going on a serial killing spree, aging people):
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/z2.jpg

Occasion 5:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/z7.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/z8.jpg

Occasion 6:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/existenceremoval.jpg

So yeah, in character, he messes with people's timelines pretty frequently.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Occasion 1:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/zoom1-1.jpg

Occasions 2/3/4 (he was going on a serial killing spree, aging people):
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/z2.jpg

Occasion 5:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/z7.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/z8.jpg

Occasion 6:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/existenceremoval.jpg

So yeah, in character, he messes with people's timelines pretty frequently.

How would he even know to start with Hank though? I think we discussed this before but isn't that self bfr?

Originally posted by carver9
How would he even know to start with Hank though? I think we discussed this before but isn't that self bfr?

By looking through Ultron's entire timeline, like he did with Barry:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/zoomtimestop1.jpg

He didn't just go in and start messing things. He can see people's entire timelines, choose the right moment, then act.

I don't see it as self-BFR, as he's never left the field when he returns the exact moment he left.

Besides, even if you think 'well, technically, he HAS left', the nature of his powers mean that he's ALWAYS leaving the field. A bit like Nightcrawler. Nobody will argue the instant he BAMFs he's lost the match.

Also, he's connected to EVERYONE and EVERYTHING:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/z2.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By looking through Ultron's entire timeline, like he did with Barry:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/zoomtimestop1.jpg

He didn't just go in and start messing things. He can see people's entire timelines, choose the right moment, then act.

I don't see it as self-BFR, as he's never left the field when he returns the exact moment he left.

Besides, even if you think 'well, technically, he HAS left', the nature of his powers mean that he's ALWAYS leaving the field. A bit like Nightcrawler. Nobody will argue the instant he BAMFs he's lost the match.

Ok, he did it against Flash. Can he do it against a Sentient being?

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, he did it against Flash. Can he do it against a Sentient being?

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/existenceremoval1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/existenceremoval.jpg

He removed Barry's friend from existence.

He also did it to all those random other people.

Are you not looking at my links?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/existenceremoval1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/existenceremoval.jpg

He removed Barry's friend from existence.

He also did it to all those random other people.

Are you not looking at my links?

Yes, he did it to the Flashes, maybe I used the wrong word. Has he done that against someone without a lifeform?

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, he did it to the Flashes, maybe I used the wrong word. Has he done that against someone without a lifeform?

Why would it matter?

The entire time stream of everything and anything is connected to him, per his own words.

Whether its a table, a person, a cow...

Plus we know Ultrons timeline is not above being changed......hence the entire AoU storyline...

Has Zoom ever looked into the timeline of a space faring character? I mean can Zoom process someone like Ultron?

Also is it battlefield able, if that's a correct phase?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Has Zoom ever looked into the timeline of a space faring character? I mean can Zoom process someone like Ultron?

Also is it battlefield able, if that's a correct phase?

I don't see why not.

No idea, and that's pretty debateable, I agree 100%.