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Lord Scourge vs Syo Bakarn, who is the Emperor's most powerful former servant?

First Son.

How big do you think the difference is?

Scourge. Even as of TOR:Revan he was described as around Meetra level, who soloed Malachor V.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
How big do you think the difference is?
I wouldn't say it was massive, but I was pretty impressed by his TK and handling of the Barsen'thor even while fighting internally. The only thing that suggests Scourge didn't get stomped is a journal entry.

First Son

What TK feats are you referring to specifically, Freshest?

He's referring to when he force pushed Barsen'thor, a TK powerhouse. He also casually put her on her ass with a burst of lightning.

Yep. That and the caves ceiling collapsing constantly during the fight.

First Son vs. Wrath II good fight tbh

No love for Wrath I.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Scourge. Even as of TOR:Revan he was described as around Meetra level, who soloed Malachor V.

Sorry bro Nyriss isn't>/= Palpatine.

Simply inconsistency on Drew's part.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No love for Wrath I.

I give Lord Scourge (SWTOR) more due than almost anyone. That said, The First Son is the Emperor's most powerful servant and avatar.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Sorry bro Nyriss isn't>/= Palpatine.

Simply inconsistency on Drew's part.
This made less sense then Revanchiste's posts, bro.

If I legitimately have to spell it out, then the world is crumbling apart as we speak.

Not sure how Nyriss beating Scourge links to me saying she is beating Sidious...

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I give Lord Scourge (SWTOR) more due than almost anyone. That said, The First Son is the Emperor's most powerful servant and avatar.

I'm talking about how 2.0 gets all the chicks, not the son.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not sure how Nyriss beating Scourge links to me saying she is beating Sidious...

Nyriss slaughtered the Exile and Scourge simultaneously, the former of which, "lolsolo'd Malachor" and the latter being her equal. In case you didn't know, the Malachor feat is a Dooku-level feat (probably even higher tbh.)

Even though I just said Dark Warrior sucks, forcing Vette to stay in the room while you bang Lady Milf is both disgusting and hilarious.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nyriss slaughtered the Exile and Scourge simultaneously, the former of which, "lolsolo'd Malachor" and the latter being her equal. In case you didn't know, the Malachor feat is a Dooku-level feat (probably even higher tbh.)
Yeah, hence why I put Nyriss Dooku level. Your point?

Nyriss godstomped Scourge and Meetra simultaneously in seconds.

I know, she's pretty badass. Pretty insane Revan demolished her too.

Vitiate>>Revan>>>Nyriss>>Palpatine>>>Profit?

Palpatine can dominate those two too, dork.
EDIT: Wait, dork means penis? What the ****?

Palpatine can't dominate two Dooku's that easily in sabers, lmfao. Even then, you're asserting that at the very least Nyriss=Palpatine.

You can't win.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Palpatine can't dominate two Dooku's that easily in sabers, lmfao. Even then, you're asserting that at the very least Nyriss=Palpatine.

You can't win.

No he isn't. Because neither Scourge or Meetra are at Dooku's level.

I already won by default. I have a novelization and a reader's companion.
You simply deeming it not possible due to lack of understanding is not my issue.
And suggesting Scourge or Meetra are Dooku level is a double standard too, btw.

Originally posted by ares834
No he isn't. Because neither Scourge or Meetra are at Dooku's level.

Agreed.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I already won by default. I have a novelization and a reader's companion.
You simply deeming it not possible due to lack of understanding is not my issue.
And suggesting Scourge or Meetra are Dooku level is a double standard too, btw.



I'm starting to get the feeling you don't recognize what you're saying. You used Meetra solo'ing Malachor (which is beyond Dooku's capabilities) and Scourge being equal to her as a cogent argument as to why he's>The First Son, even though Meetra in Revan is clearly not the malachor-stomper she was in KOTOR 2. Ultimately this either turns into Meetra=Scourge=KOTOR 2 Exile>Dooku, or your using of Meetra's Malachor feat as evidence of her power in the novel turns to dust.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Even though I just said Dark Warrior sucks, forcing Vette to stay in the room while you bang Lady Milf is both disgusting and hilarious.



Best part of the whole damn game.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
(which is beyond Dooku's capabilities)

Apparently not.

I'm just glad that you can see the inconsistency.

....right?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm starting to get the feeling you don't recognize what you're saying. You used Meetra solo'ing Malachor (which is beyond Dooku's capabilities) and Scourge being equal to her as a cogent argument as to why he's>The First Son, even though Meetra in Revan is clearly not the malachor-stomper she was in KOTOR 2. Ultimately this either turns into Meetra=Scourge=KOTOR 2 Exile>Dooku, or your using of Meetra's Malachor feat as evidence of her power in the novel turns to dust.

I'll explain to you in simple terms how this works, because you seem to not be able to understand otherwise.

1.) Scourge's power and skill is around Meetra Surik level: canonically stated in The Old Republic: Revan.
2.) Scourge and Meetra Surik are weaker then Darth Nyriss: canonically stated in The Old Republic: Revan.
3.) Meetra Surik is a rival duelist to Count Dooku: never stated in any canonical source, or even implied.

The flaw in your argument is your 3rd statement because it is merely on an opinion with not ultimate credibility behind it.
Meetra Surik is limited in canon by being far weaker then Revan and Darth Nyriss, and weaker then Darth Traya in power.
If you look at her Malachor V feat in the perspective of lesser then Dooku, everything adds it appropriately and correctly.
Meetra's feat on Malachor V is not beyond the Count's abilities anyway... not even Cade Skywalker's for that matter, really.

Originally posted by ares834
Apparently not.
Exactly. He's trying to deem his own opinion canonical.
Still love you though, Skillz.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If you look at her Malachor V feat in the perspective of lesser then Dooku, everything adds it appropriately and correctly.
Meetra's feat on Malachor V is not beyond the Count's abilities anyway... not even Cade Skywalker's for that matter, really.


Eeeeeeh?

Prima Guide states that Surik most likely went from room to room individually, meaning she only had to fight a few Sith at a time, then was able to rest.
It's not like the Star Forge, Luke on Dantooine, or Cade on numerous encounters when all the Sith just keep on swarming in countless raids and hordes.

Quite frankly,

-fighting through hordes of storm beasts on the extremely deadly surface of Malachor V
-slaughtering through an entire academy of elite sith assassins, acolytes and lords
-battering Darth Sion 3-4 times until he suicides
-Defeating Darth Traya, who off the most powerful nexus in the galaxy ragdolled 3 jedi council members with noticeable casuality. FYI, using the quote that states Traya is more powerful than Exile as an all-binding dictation means you'd have to accept Palpatine>all as all-binding dictation. Something tells me you'd have a problem with that.
-All of this while being weakened by the most powerful nexus in the galaxy and having her opponents amped by it,

is beyond Dooku, IMO. There is absolutely no reason to look at in the perspective of "lesser than Dooku," because that isn't a perspective cemented in any tangible reality (as they are from completely different eras,) unlike Nyriss's/Revan's superiority over Meetra. Also, Nyriss>Traya? Selenial gonna beat you up tbh.

Dooku might pull it off if he had better stamina.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
-fighting through hordes of storm beasts on the extremely deadly surface of Malachor V
Obi-Wan Kenobi can do that.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
-slaughtering through an entire academy of elite sith assassins, acolytes and lords
Cade Skywalker can do that.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
-battering Darth Sion 3-4 times until he suicides
Average Jedi beat Darth Sion before.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
-Defeating Darth Traya, who off the most powerful nexus in the galaxy ragdolled 3 jedi council members with noticeable casuality.
It's her most impressive feat for a reason.

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If Cade Skywalker was immune to drain, he could do what she did.

Dooku isn't beating Traya at the heart of Malachor V, tbh, (If theoretically Dooku was immensely weakened like Meetra was and Traya was immensely strengthened.)

Meetra wasn't weakened like you suggest... she was instinctively drawing off her entire companion roster.

And where again was this directly stated, implied, or acknowledged? Wasn't this a part of the "why the Meetra in Revan is weaker" theory?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Meetra wasn't weakened like you suggest... she was instinctively drawing off her entire companion roster.

Meetra quite clearly describes her condition on Malachor in the novel and she certainly wasn't 100% bro.

@Skillz Nah, it's a direct quote. It was stated by the Jedi Masters:

So is that the explanation as to why Meetra is weaker in Revan?

That's the accepted theory. She lost her wound... so she doesn't draw on the life around her, or feed on the death she achieves anymore.

Also Meetra can't draw off her entire companions roster because 3 of them are droids. :V

Glad you agree that Meetra was weakened in Revan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also Meetra can't draw off her entire companions roster because 3 of them are droids. :V
You knew what I meant.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Glad you agree that Meetra was weakened in Revan.
I always agreed that she was weakened... like, since the day I read the book.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Glad you agree that Meetra was weakened in Revan.

Was that ever a question?

inb4 mother Selenial's rage

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You knew what I meant.

I dunno man, "entire" doesn't pretty absolute.

According to Marco, droids have midichlorians. So I win.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
inb4 mother Selenial's rage

Over what?

@droids http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid ... how the **** is this still canon?

So Meetra was weakened in Revan, therefore bringing up her Malachor feat and scourge being equal to her revan incarnation holds no water, and ultimately doesn't have much bearing a comparison to the first son, someone a ways more powerful than even Nyriss, in all honesty.

I still win.

Originally posted by Aurbere
Over what?
your mom tbh

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
your mom tbh

Zing...

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
So Meetra was weakened in Revan, therefore bringing up her Malachor feat and scourge being equal to her revan incarnation holds no water, and ultimately doesn't have much bearing a comparison to the first son, someone a ways more powerful than even Nyriss, in all honesty.

I still win.
Meetra wasn't weakened... the Exile was amplified. Somewhat big different, tbh.
And no, it still holds a lot of credibility if you balance it out with the soul hindering.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Meetra wasn't weakened... the Exile was amplified. Somewhat big different, tbh.
And no, it still holds a lot of credibility if you balance it out with the soul hindering.

Doesn't make a big difference how the power swings, just that its heavily in the Exile's favor. Bringing up the Malachor feat is legitimately pointless.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Bringing up the Malachor feat is legitimately pointless.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/387/717/bd4.gif

You're hurting my brain atm.

I feel the same trying to process your arguments. I get your trying to do a The_Tempest, but it isn't working.
You going from "Meetra is uber" to "Meetra is shit" every post is pretty... poor. Your not making any real sense.
I get your trying to beat me by turning my arguments against me, but it doesn't work in this circumstance. Sorry?

I thought I was NewGuy's alter ego tbh.

.....and I'm not. Let me ask you again, is the Jedi Exile of KOTOR 2>>Meetra as of Revan?

There are different incarnations of the Jedi Exile within KotOR2.

During her Malachor feat. Factor in her being weakened, please.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@droids http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid ... how the **** is this still canon?
it isn't...

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
During her Malachor feat. Factor in her being weakened, please.
What?
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ur lame tbh

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Meetra wasn't weakened... the Exile was amplified. Somewhat big different, tbh.
And no, it still holds a lot of credibility if you balance it out with the soul hindering.

She was weakened in comparison to her Kotor 2 persona.

Is Meetra Surik of KOTOR 2 during her malachor feat vastly superior to Meetra as of Revan?

Originally posted by Nephthys
She was weakened in comparison to her Kotor 2 persona.
KotOR2 Exile>=Malachor Exile>Revan Exile, perhaps?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Is Meetra Surik of KOTOR 2 during her malachor feat vastly superior to Meetra as of Revan?
Vastly? No. Vastly would be like Sidious to Maul.

So how would you compare Malachor exile to revan Meetra? Dooku to Ventress? Sidious to yoda?

I never really cared enough to think about it, really. I'm not really sure.

Your answer is the central argument to my thesis doe

I know, hence why I'm not giving it. Do you know the amount of work teachers are shoving up my ass to finish chapters before Christmas break?

I have finals tomorrow. Pretty laem tbh.

My Spanish professor gave me so many quizzes they are now worth less then homework.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
inb4 mother Selenial's rage

Don't get me started.

It didn't exactly end well for Neph last time.

My video games professor gave me a shitton of work as well. I spent all day slaving over it. It was terrible.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
My Spanish professor gave me so many quizzes they are now worth less then homework.

I'm in sophomore honors Spanish as a freshman, and it's extremely difficult because of how laem our teacher is.

I'm in all sophomore honors classes but Spanish (this is my first year taking it). 100 in history (and theology) though.

You get a scholarship? I was able to get a $1500 one from ACT score. Admittedly I'm not performing to my optimum capacity. Two B's=bad tbh.

I came from a public school, so they didn't offer me one. I could have if I came from a Catholic school (I easily met the requirements). Pretty lame.

but did u take the 8th grade act doe

You mean the PSSA?

I suppose. Ours was called "ACT explore," though.

Sounds pretty lame.

At least I have an extra $1,500 in my pocket tbh

I get the cash flow from YouTube, bruh.

You're a thot with that dawth mawl vid imo

All this chillens. Isn't it a little past your bedtimes?

Stfu

Good. Even artificial rage sustains me.

I really did have to try to pretend to be angry, there. Pretty laem tbh