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Aang, Katara, Toph, and Suki. All as of Book 3 in ATLA.

Vs.

Korra, Mako, Bolin, and Asami. All as of Book 4 in TLoK.

Setting: Somewhere near a big ass lake.

Suki instead of Sokka?

Yeah, I'm actually a little disgusted right now.

Suki > Sokka tbh.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Suki > Sokka tbh. As a martial combatant probably, but Sokka has historically been far more useful in a fight due to his greater intelligence and more versatile skillset.

Suki sure as shit didn't kill Combustion Man, nor come within a hair's breadth of taking out Azula.

More important than all of that though is that Sokka is a far more important character to the team in particular, and the franchise in general.

Suki became a part of Team Avatar, but Sokka has consistently been part of the core group.

Korra > Aang
Mako > Toph
Bolin > Katara

Asami loses but even both competitors on team Aang together can't beat any of these guys

How the **** is Mako stronger than Toph?

Bolin would wreck house due to his lavabending, but Aang's Avatar State is inherently more powerful than Korra's. Team Aang wins because of that alone.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Suki > Sokka tbh.

Yeah, Mako is the weakest bender here. I think Asami might be able to take Suki though, her ekectroglove is super OP and Suki's never fought anything like it before.

I still think Toph could take Bolin, Katara could take Mako unless he gets lucky with the lightning but Korra vs Aang is closer than I thought. Korra pulled out a lot of impressive stuff in that final episode. She's powerful as fvck.

Originally posted by NemeBro
How the **** is Mako stronger than Toph?

Bolin would wreck house due to his lavabending, but Aang's Avatar State is inherently more powerful than Korra's. Team Aang wins because of that alone. he can lightning bend without moving... She can't see so even if she traps him she gets dropped.

The mako hate is odd on this board.

I put Suki instead of Sokka because I figured she would be a better match for Asami.

I have Aang=Korra, Katara>Mako, Toph>Bolin, and Asami>Suki, personally.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
he can lightning bend without moving... She can't see so even if she traps him she gets dropped.

The mako hate is odd on this board. Lightning can be blocked by a huge rock wall, which Toph can easily make.

Mako is a very skilled firebender, but he is arguably the weakest of the three benders on his team, while Toph is the strongest of the Gaang short of the Avatar himself.

Anyway, for real though, the Avatar State wasn't banned which means that this is basically Aang vs. Korra.

And Aang has the stronger Avatar State.

She can fight other benders because she can feel them move on the ground, how would she even know lightning is coming?

Did you see the finale? In the very sterile, Mako v Metal bender and Bolin v Metal bender; Mako beat his opponent very quickly, compared to Bolin. Sure Bolin got a very B.A. amp but honestly Mako in season one was arguably as formitible as Ozai with far better lightning manip.

The firebender did better than the earthbender in a place where there's no earth? How strange. Mako isn't on Ozai's level, that's ridiculous.

Bolin brought Lava with him. Moot point

Mako is a far better lightning manipulator which in turn is an advanced form of fire bending.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
She can fight other benders because she can feel them move on the ground, how would she even know lightning is coming?

Good question. How does she know fire is coming? I mean, the fire doesn't move on the ground either.

But when someone is pointing their arms at her, she tends to know that they're trying to bend at her. Come on.



Bolin had a single rock with him, compared to Mako who could fire blast after blast. You're a liar if you would claim that that single rock was comparable to being able to spam one's element.

I could also point out that Mako was borderline useless against Kuvira's giant mech, whereas Bolin could track its leg with lavabending, and with normal earthbending he tore a building in half, and proceeded to push it on the mech with the help of Suyin and Lin. Mako is arguably more skilled than Bolin, but his younger brother is far more powerful.

"As formidable as Ozai" lol, no he wasn't. There is no non-Avatar firebender seen in either series that is as formidable as Ozai. He might have had faster lightning manipulation, but his lightning has only killed a person who was directly connected to a large pool of water. Amon took it to the chest and was only stunned. Ozai's lightning, much like Azula's, is actually lethal.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Good question. How does she know fire is coming? I mean, the fire doesn't move on the ground either.

But when someone is pointing their arms at her, she tends to know that they're trying to bend at her. Come on.

Bolin had a single rock with him, compared to Mako who could fire blast after blast. You're a liar if you would claim that that single rock was comparable to being able to spam one's element.

I could also point out that Mako was borderline useless against Kuvira's giant mech, whereas Bolin could track its leg with lavabending, and with normal earthbending he tore a building in half, and proceeded to push it on the mech with the help of Suyin and Lin. Mako is arguably more skilled than Bolin, but his younger brother is far more powerful.

"As formidable as Ozai" lol, no he wasn't. There is no non-Avatar firebender seen in either series that is as formidable as Ozai. He might have had faster lightning manipulation, but his lightning has only killed a person who was directly connected to a large pool of water. Amon took it to the chest and was only stunned. Ozai's lightning, much like Azula's, is actually lethal.
Fire is hot and she always knew she was fighting a Bender by there movement.

Mako never spams fire, ever... In the entire series.

The trapping failed and Bolin had 4 other people helping him. #context.

Azula failed to kill Aang and Ozai killed no one, so 1-0 Mako. I'll wait for an actual argument to be made here

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Fire is hot

So is lightning.



So now she wouldn't know she's fighting a bender? Don't be an idiot.



http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1oxovSuBW1qaddwxo1_500.gif

I'll accept your concession though, since you didn't actually address the fact that Mako could firebend at his leisure, whereas Bolin had a single rock.



The trapping held her for quite a while, don't lie little boy.

Mako had the same people helping him and couldn't accomplish anything.



Hahah, it's funny because you're serious.

Nope, she killed Aang, but Katara was able to revive him with the Spirit Water.

Did you even watch Avatar?



But his lightning is stronger than Azula's could still hurt Aang and Zuko despite being redirected. It never hit anyone directly.



I'm afraid not binky boy. Mako required a conductor to be connected to his wet opponent to kill her. #context

Give up while you still can. Don't make me embarrass you further.

Lol

He isn't moving, Duh!

Four small fireballs... And not even from the scene in question...
The Lava ball was boomeranging around and was about the same size as a fire ball. Should also be pointed out Mako beat the Metalbender in h2h so again the point is moot.

Bolin also had all the Airbenders + Korra and the metal benders helping during this scene.

Ok? Still 1-0 Mako. I'm still waiting for how Ozai > Mako. Mako even has better fire bending tech like his dagger and his H2H skills to also fall back on.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Did you even watch Avatar? I think the answer to that is no.

Please don't flame

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Lol

He isn't moving, Duh!

Show me Mako thoughtbending lightning.



Couldn't find a gif of it. Not that it matters. Having the ability to blast at his leisure > one rock.



But there was only one.



Bolin... also took out the metalbender with h2h?

Not that any of this matters. You're assuming that both metalbenders were of exactly equal ability, while also disregarding Mako's relative advantages.

Don't confuse what I'm saying. Mako can hold his own alongside his brother due to his skill and precision, but in terms of raw bending power? Bolin is better, and he has the feats to back that statement up, as well as one of the most deadly and destructive bending subtypes in the series.



Right, but Mako was also there, and could do... nothing. How are you not getting this?



Afraid not, and your insistence on trying to force others to consider context but refusal to do so yourself makes you a hypocrite.



Both Azula and Iroh's feats are better than Mako's. Azula could cut buildings in half with her firebending.

Ozai is confirmed to be the strongest firebender in the world.



That's a book 1 Zuko technique. :lol



He has better h2h ability sure, but Ozai is still more powerful.

Ok are you just arguing for the sake of argument? Mako's Metalbender > Bolin's... Because narrative...?

Mako wasn't even shown during the fight, for all we know he was escorting Asami's team to future industries.
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When did Zuko create a welding torch dagger? I'm honestly trying to remember. I remember him making a fist aura but it looked different.

Ozai has no unamped feats, and I'm not sure how I'm a hypocrite. We have no evidence her standing in water helped him achieve a kill, in fact standing in the water should diffuse electricity.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ok are you just arguing for the sake of argument? Mako's Metalbender > Bolin's... Because narrative...?

You're assuming that Mako's metalbender = Bolin's... because narrative?

See what you're doing? I'm not actually making any assumption on their relative power, but I am pointing out that you are.



Speculation. Also:

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Mako is standing right next to Korra at the start.

I can't find a video of when Bolin lavabended under its foot (so the first fight), but Mako is standing right next to Bolin at about 4:36 minutes in the first episode of the finale. He was there.

Granted, I'll admit that I may be being too hard on Mako. Platinum has a really high melting point, so there's not much fire could do to it.



His first fight with Azula comes to mind.

A welding torch dagger? I don't recall.



As in, spread it out? Sure, but it travels through that water easily and travels right toward her body at several points, allowing Mako to easily hit and fry her.

Okay I wanna cool this down, I don't want to start bashing.

It's a safe assumption that 2 fodder nameless characters should be around the same level, it's about the most sterile way to determine power levels short of an actual fight.

Mako takes off running and we don't see him again until the final assault, I mean if he failed atleast we could say something but we don't see any fire or lightning.

Mako created one in book one while threatening an equalist.

Yes but that's not an amp, it's like saying a boxing glove amps a punch

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Okay I wanna cool this down, I don't want to start bashing.

It's a safe assumption that 2 fodder nameless characters should be around the same level,

Why?

Also, given their performances against Bolin, Mako, Suyin, and Lin it seems inaccurate to call them fodder.



Or we could compare their actual feats, lol.

Mako is a very skilled firebender, but in terms of raw power he is liking compared to some other master benders.



Or he knew there wasn't much he could do to it.



And it was something that a relatively noobish Zuko could do, lol.



No, not the same at all.

Electricity travels the easiest route. Water (or rather dirty water) is an excellent conductor, and said water traveled directly up to Ming-Hua and Ming-Hua alone. Since Ming-Hua was suspending herself in the air via water tentacles, when the electricity reached her it had nowhere else to go (except back down to the water, and then back to her lol), and as such stayed within her body, more easily killing her. Mako now had a huge target and he could hold the lightning on her until she lost consciousness/died. Which he did.

Sure. But it's honestly semantics

Ok. Mako actually took the mech down.

It's possible but again it's speculation.

So I'm missing your final point? Mako generated the Lightning that killed Ming and water doesn't amp so...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Sure. But it's honestly semantics

Ok. Mako actually took the mech down.

By attacking its core with lightning, lol.

Or was Bolin supposed to hit it with the rock?



Maybe, but given Mako's character, if there was something he could have done, why wouldn't he?



That it conducted all the electricity up to Ming-Hua's body. The lightning itself doesn't become more potent, but more of it is inside her for a long period of time.

Lightning blew up the Root, it overloaded and blew it.

Or like I said he was doing something else like escorting the non bender team through heavily guarded streets. Either way it's speculation.

No offense but your point is kinda made null with the fact we know that Mako can keep the stream up for crazy long times.

In book 1 the LoK benders were weaker, but by book 4 they've caught up a lot. Scale's closer, and have developed some new techniques/refined old ones (Metalbender in Aang's day was something only Toph could do, and while any metalbender is still good, the technique is now accessible to a lower level, for example> Lightning seems to be similar).

Suki's never faced an electroglove, but she has faced chiblockers, which are also 'don't let them touch you' types. Though it depends if she realized the level of threat.


On Mako, there is the issue that for most of book 4, he was sitting back and babysitting, not as active as Korra or Bolin. So in that sense he may be a bit behind, though he is very good still.


I think it's close enough that neither team would win all the time... the Gaang is more used to fighting together so may have an edge, but on the flip side a good electroshock from Asami could easily turn things around.