Flash vs Deathstroke

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Time Immemorial
Flash (Series) Barry Allen

vs

Deathstroke with Miriku

Stroke gets his swords

Lestov16
I haven't watched Arrow since S1 and haven't seen Flash, but unless Barry was massively depowered for the show, I see no way he can lose this.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Lestov16
I haven't watched Arrow since S1 and haven't seen Flash, but unless Barry was massively depowered for the show, I see no way he can lose this.

That he is.

Nephthys
It depends on how serious and well Barry fights. Even when he fought Arrow hopped up on rage he fought like shit. At any point he could have ended the fight by grabbing one of Ollie's arrows and jamming it through his neck. Or hit him with a super-sonic punch. But he pissed around like a dork. Because he basically is a dork with no fighting skills.

Slade won't hold back on Barry like Ollie did. So unless Barry goes in hard he'll go down imo. But if he does hit him like he hit that metal dude he'll probably punch Slade's freaking jaw off.

Lestov16
Eh. I don't like versus matches that rely on PIS/CIS. Oh well.

BruceSkywalker
Flash runs Slade on over

TheVaultDweller
Thing about Flash is that before he got his powers he was literally just a clever lab geek. So he has no real training or fighting skill. It's what allowed Arrow to basically get the better of them in their confrontation. His skill and experience allowed him to counter Barry's speed.

Slade is a master combatant and borderline superhuman even without mirakuru. And he doesn't mess around. He will kill Barry the first chance he gets, where Barry will probably just try hitting him the whole time.

As such, I am going with Slade. Superhuman stats + tons of experience and skill + being a bloodlusted psycho most of the time >>> super speed and no real fighting skill.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I haven't watched Arrow since S1 and haven't seen Flash, but unless Barry was massively depowered for the show, I see no way he can lose this.

Currently he is nowhere near as fast as his comic counterpart. He generally only operates a bit above supersonic. But his abilities have been increasing recently, and will continue to do so. Based on how the story is progressing, he becomes time-travel fast at some point.

FrothByte
There was one episode where Flash went up against a guy who could turn in to steel. Think massively depowered Colossus. This guy was super strong and tough, but his strength seemed only around the level of the mirakuru soldiers.

Anyway, he beat the crap out of Flash. Sure Flash hit him more times but since the punches weren't really hurting him, he'd tag Barry eventually then proceed to beat the crap out of him. Flash had to run away twice to avoid getting killed. Flash eventually beat him by running at a certain velocity to KO him... but he needed something like a 5 mile head start to get to that speed.

So as for this match, yes Flash can beat Slade... if he starts off with that 5 mile charge and hits an unsuspecting Slade. But if he fights like he usually fights then he gets beat up. Flash isn't untouchable, it's been proved many times in the show that people with normal speed can tag him and hurt him. Plus his blows don't seem to pack any more power than normal punches, so they aren't hurting Slade.

Silent Master
Sounds like DC needs to look at Quicksilver to see how a speedster should be written.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Silent Master
Sounds like DC needs to look at Quicksilver to see how a speedster should be written.

True, but then again The Flash is just starting in it's series. It wouldn't make sense if he became OP'd too soon, because then it would make for a boring series.

Silent Master
True, but having a super-speedster always getting hit by non-superspeed characters doesn't really make for an interesting series either.

ares834
Making a character who can't get touched is even less interesting.

Silent Master
Originally posted by ares834
Making a character who can't get touched is even less interesting.

Which is why super-speedsters shouldn't be fighting many human level villains. in makes the hero look like a moron.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Silent Master
Which is why super-speedsters shouldn't be fighting many human level villains. in makes the hero look like a moron.

Everyone of his enemies is a meta human with superpowers. Its basically the whole show of people who got powers from the accident.

Silent Master
From the sound of things, none of them are even close to his speed; he is just fighting like an idiot.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Silent Master
From the sound of things, none of them are even close to his speed; he is just fighting like an idiot.

One guy does, the reverse flash.

Barry is a nerd with zero fighting ability. He's got a big heart though.

TheGrat1
That Flash vs Arrow fight was pure PIS. Earlier in the season, Barry casually punched a hole in a punching bag and sent Eddie (who was bracing it) back several feet and to the ground with one blow. Just two of those to the gut should have dropped Oliver to his knees. If he was going all-out, that barrage of punches he unleashed should have turned Oliver's ribs into powder, but that would obviously f*ck up Arrow's show. He's also gotten better at his CIS. On Arrow, he said he learned from what Oliver taught him, he sizes up his opponents now and usually knocks people out at the earliest opportunity.

TL;DR: PIS Flash will lose. Competent, post-crossover Barry would take Slade's sword and stab out his other eye.

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by FrothByte
True, but then again The Flash is just starting in it's series. It wouldn't make sense if he became OP'd too soon, because then it would make for a boring series.

i am glad Barry is a speed novice but am confident that by the season finale his speed will increase and clearly as each episode goes then his speed feats will be similar to the comics..

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
One guy does, the reverse flash.

Barry is a nerd with zero fighting ability. He's got a big heart though.

i am hopeful Barry's fighting ability will be much better by the season finale

FrothByte
Originally posted by TheGrat1
That Flash vs Arrow fight was pure PIS. Earlier in the season, Barry casually punched a hole in a punching bag and sent Eddie (who was bracing it) back several feet and to the ground with one blow. Just two of those to the gut should have dropped Oliver to his knees. If he was going all-out, that barrage of punches he unleashed should have turned Oliver's ribs into powder, but that would obviously f*ck up Arrow's show. He's also gotten better at his CIS. On Arrow, he said he learned from what Oliver taught him, he sizes up his opponents now and usually knocks people out at the earliest opportunity.

TL;DR: PIS Flash will lose. Competent, post-crossover Barry would take Slade's sword and stab out his other eye.

Him punching through the bag was a one-off thing. Just because he showed he can do it once (and mostly by accident) doesn't mean that all of his blows will be just as powerful. And just because he says he learned from Oliver doesn't mean that he all of a sudden becomes an excellent tactician.

Barry may say what he want but until he shows the feats to back it up then he still sucks at fighting... in which case Slade wins.

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TheGrat1
Originally posted by FrothByte
Him punching through the bag was a one-off thing. Just because he showed he can do it once (and mostly by accident) doesn't mean that all of his blows will be just as powerful. And just because he says he learned from Oliver doesn't mean that he all of a sudden becomes an excellent tactician.

Barry may say what he want but until he shows the feats to back it up then he still sucks at fighting... in which case Slade wins.

It wasn't an accident. He was getting annoyed at Eddie telling him to punch harder so he put a little oomph behind a blow and he punched a hole in the sandbag. There is no reason to believe he couldn't casually replicate that at any time, not to mention that is hardly the best striking feat he can do. I only used it as an example of what Barry could easily do without arousing suspicion of him being superhuman. Him actually trying would probably punch through the bag and hit Eddie. And I wasn't saying that all of his blows are that powerful, just that if he wasn't saddled with PIS several of the combinations he landed in the Green Arrow confrontation should have ended the fight.

And even if he did still suck at fighting, if he was actually taking this seriously like he did against Reverse Flash, it would be like fighting a statue. Skill isn't necessary when you can read a newspaper column in the time it takes your enemy to reach for his sword.

Time Immemorial
Lol at flash not being able to replicate a punch..

Frost why do you say stuff like that?

Based
Originally posted by Silent Master
Sounds like DC needs to look at Quicksilver to see how a speedster should be written.

That's not even apples to oranges you're comparing apples to rocks or some shit.

Time Immemorial
Clark and Flash Smallville have the best speedster feats of all movies and shows.

Nothing tops their speed or feats shown.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lol at flash not being able to replicate a punch..

Frost why do you say stuff like that?

Because he only punched like that once and he had to be mentally/emotionally triggered before he could make the punch.

Because if it was that easy to replicate that specific punch, why doesn't he do it all the time.

Besides, anyone who's done martial arts before will tell you that the first time they do a hard move/maneuver, it takes multiple practices before they can actually use that move in actual combat.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by FrothByte
Because he only punched like that once and he had to be mentally/emotionally triggered before he could make the punch.

Because if it was that easy to replicate that specific punch, why doesn't he do it all the time.

Besides, anyone who's done martial arts before will tell you that the first time they do a hard move/maneuver, it takes multiple practices before they can actually use that move in actual combat.

So what you are saying is if you learn to punch a certain way you can never repeat that again because of instant amnesia post punch?

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