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Can the Kung Fu master beat the bat?

No Carver, It can't.

Originally posted by Board Walker
No Carver, It can't.

Shang being Chinese is no reason to refer to him as an "it". why so racist?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Shang being Chinese is no reason to refer to him as an "it". why so racist?

Nah. Unless Batman has no gadgets etc on him?

No, even without gadgets Batman pretty much has Shang beat in all categories.

Not in cultural history.

Batman is a better fighter than Shang by a mile

So Shang's pretty uber chi powers mean nothing?

Pure h2h? Anyone who's taking Batman over Shang is completely wrong.

Originally posted by riv6672
Pure h2h? Anyone who's taking Batman over Shang is completely wrong. this

Originally posted by deathslash
this

I have never known Riv's opinion to be unbias and generally he is wrong about everything he posts.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I have never known Riv's opinion to be unbias and generally he is wrong about everything he posts.

In a pure h2h fight though, Shang would take it. Not only is he one of the best martial artists on Marvel Earth, he can chi amp to insane levels and now has extra powers like chi fireballs and shit.

Originally posted by KingD19
In a pure h2h fight though, Shang would take it. Not only is he one of the best martial artists on Marvel Earth, he can chi amp to insane levels and now has extra powers like chi fireballs and shit.
That was one time power up. And I doubt Shang cam amp to Bane level. Look how that fight went.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was one time power up. And I doubt Shang cam amp to Bane level. Look how that fight went. a one time powerup? The same can be said of batman beating a much stronger and physically better version of bane. Shang is in Danny 's tier. So yeah, batman is gonna get his ass kicked so hard that by the time this fight is over, Shang chi is going to be wearing shit socks.

Originally posted by deathslash
a one time powerup? The same can be said of batman beating a much stronger and physically better version of bane. Shang is in Danny 's tier. So yeah, batman is gonna get his ass kicked so hard that by the time this fight is over, Shang chi is going to be wearing shit socks.
Bruce didn't receive any power up for that Bane fight. It's telling that only way for Shang to win is by ignoring Bruce feats and comparing from iron fist.

Bruce is in Val armorr league. He will kick Shang and Dannys teeth in by that comparison.

LOL!!!

Yeah, you are laughably predictable snake eyes.

Okay. The power up was a one time thing. Shang still can amp to the point where he can take hits from a serious Hiroim. An Oldstrong who was pretty much the strongest of the Warband aside from Korg and Hulk himself.

I doubt shang could even take out Bane

Really?

Originally posted by KingD19
Okay. The power up was a one time thing. Shang still can amp to the point where he can take hits from a serious Hiroim. An Oldstrong who was pretty much the strongest of the Warband aside from Korg and Hulk himself.
Batman on venom could take attacks from superman, the strongest Herald of them all. Bane was even stronger than that.

ABC logic is fun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman on venom could take attacks from superman, the strongest Herald of them all. Bane was even stronger than that.

ABC logic is fun. how is that abc logic? You said that Shang using his chi to amp is a one time thing. He gave an example Shang chi amping himself long before his fight with gorgon.

Originally posted by deathslash
how is that abc logic? You said that Shang using his chi to amp is a one time thing. He gave an example Shang chi amping himself long before his fight with gorgon.
Who said chi amping was a one time power up? His fights against gorgon was with a power up.

And he didn't show anything beyond Bane in strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said chi amping was a one time power up? His fights against gorgon was with a power up.

And he didn't show anything beyond Bane in strength. sorry to tell you this bro, but Shang chi currently uses those gauntlets given to him by stark. Everything else that he did in that fight with gorgon was using his own power. So no, it wasn't a one time powerup

Originally posted by deathslash
sorry to tell you this bro, but Shang chi currently uses those gauntlets given to him by stark. Everything else that he did in that fight with gorgon was using his own power. So no, it wasn't a one time powerup

He mentions having 3 weapons to help in the fight but whether the gauntlets were used in the whole fight is questionable as the only real effect we see is the thunderclap (so don't quote me on it). As I am not to sure myself.

Just thought I would paste the fight.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444120_1.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444121_2.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444122_3.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444123_4.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444124_5.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444125_6.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444126_7.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444128_8.jpg

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444129_9.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444130_10.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444131_11.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444132_12.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444133_13.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444134_14.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/21444135_15.jpg

^

Whether by his own chi, Stark's weapons or a combination of the two, Shang Chi has been busting up the Hand, ripping apart Alephs and even sending Rulk flying:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/th_StarkGear21-ShangChiNunchakuAvengersv511.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/th_StarkGear23a-ShangChiGauntletsAvengersv520.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/20197750_Thunderbolts_031-017.jpg

Not to mention him standing up to Hiroim and Black Dwarf through sheer will and skill.

Originally posted by deathslash
how is that abc logic? You said that Shang using his chi to amp is a one time thing. He gave an example Shang chi amping himself long before his fight with gorgon. He suffers from S.I.C, the "Superman injection complex"

On their feet it's pretty close, but how good is Shang Chi's ground game?

^not as good as Bruces

Originally posted by deathslash
sorry to tell you this bro, but Shang chi currently uses those gauntlets given to him by stark. Everything else that he did in that fight with gorgon was using his own power. So no, it wasn't a one time powerup
Really? It should be easy to show him with those gauntlets in other fights then. Go ahead. Originally posted by psycho gundam
He suffers from S.I.C, the "Superman injection complex"
You suffer from simple butthurt though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? It should be easy to show him with those gauntlets in other fights then. Go ahead.
You suffer from simple butthurt though. you mean when he fought alephs, the rulk, and the time that he battled the madripoor dragon? Look it up bro, it's his standard equipment these days.

Originally posted by deathslash
you mean when he fought alephs, the rulk, and the time that he battled the madripoor dragon? Look it up bro, it's his standard equipment these days.
He straight up said that he got those from stark for that fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He straight up said that he got those from stark for that fight. no he didn't! All he says is that he has weapons that make his stronger. No where in his statements does he say that he was given those for the specific purpose of that fight. Since he was also using those all the way back in the infinity book and still had them in his possession long after that fight, you can't say that it was a one time amp.

I'm glad to see we've settled things.

Originally posted by deathslash
no he didn't! All he says is that he has weapons that make his stronger. No where in his statements does he say that he was given those for the specific purpose of that fight. Since he was also using those all the way back in the infinity book and still had them in his possession long after that fight, you can't say that it was a one time amp.
Oh really? Care to prove that with actual scans?

Unrelated to the discussion but can someone post a scan from the book where Shang and Spidey fought Mr. Negative? Iirc there was a cool scene where Shang deflected like a dozen arrows.

Originally posted by SamZED
Unrelated to the discussion but can someone post a scan from the book where Shang and Spidey fought Mr. Negative? Iirc there was a cool scene where Shang deflected like a dozen arrows.
You scan whore.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You scan whore.

I'm just a whore. The scan thing is a completely unrelated issue.

Batman 9/10

Originally posted by deathslash
no he didn't! All he says is that he has weapons that make his stronger. No where in his statements does he say that he was given those for the specific purpose of that fight. Since he was also using those all the way back in the infinity book and still had them in his possession long after that fight, you can't say that it was a one time amp. Shang Chi's been wearing the Stark gauntlets in every Avengers and Avengers-related appearance since he was indoctrinated into the Avengers World team. You only have to read his actual appearances to know that. Ignore him the same way he ignored the above scans and every recent comic involving Shang Chi.

Surely multiple instances of on-panel evidence don't count?

Originally posted by ODG
Shang Chi's been wearing the Stark gauntlets in every Avengers and Avengers-related appearance since he was indoctrinated into the Avengers World team. You only have to read his actual appearances to know that. Ignore him the same way he ignored the above scans and every recent comic involving Shang Chi.

abhi has never cared about facts, I thought that was common knowledge.

Originally posted by SamZED
I'm just a whore. The scan thing is a completely unrelated issue.
Haha

Originally posted by KingD19
Surely multiple instances of on-panel evidence don't count? IWhat on panel instances bro,? Originally posted by Silent Master
abhi has never cared about facts, I thought that was common knowledge.
Coming from you snake-eyes? Laughable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
IWhat on panel instances bro,?
Coming from you snake-eyes? Laughable. so then you still haven't bothered to look at the scans that ODG posted on the second page?

Originally posted by deathslash
so then you still haven't bothered to look at the scans that ODG posted on the second page?
I did. Those aren't proof of those gauntlets being on him since the avengers started though.

No gauntlets and gadgets. Shang wins.

^ It's Shang Chi vs Batman without any special stipulations. That means standard gear, i.e., Stark-gear and Bat-gadgets. It's a tough fight.

Under those stips, I'll usually go with Bats over better h2h fighters. He's sneakier, and is expert in using his suit/gadgets to overcome huge odds.

In a hand to hand fight Batman, i've been reading up on some of Shang's material and aside from chi he's never really struck me as some uber h2h fighter. I think he gets a lot of unfair hype because black panthers statement and his supposed fights with iron fist some decades ago.

Then theres the fact that Bruce has better physicalls, especially in the New 52 where he's practically superhuman in strength and striking power ei one shotting giant robots or kicking motorcycles in half or if you want to really go overboard, beating the crap out of a superman level opponent

Originally posted by riv6672
Under those stips, I'll usually go with Bats over better h2h fighters. He's sneakier, and is expert in using his suit/gadgets to overcome huge odds.

He doesn't needs hi gadgets here. He is superior in skills, brains and will take it easily.

Prolly take Bats because of gear.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He doesn't needs hi gadgets here. He is superior in skills, brains and will take it easily.
On that we disagree.
Batman's not a pure MA like Shang, otherwise he'd run around in a Bat Gi. Batman uses MA as part of a well put together offense/defense that combines a ton of different skill sets, tech.

Originally posted by riv6672
On that we disagree.
Batman's not a pure MA like Shang, otherwise he'd run around in a Bat Gi. Batman uses MA as part of a well put together offense/defense that combines a ton of different skill sets, tech. That's like saying Thing is stronger than Silver Surfer because SS isn't a pure strength character.

No it isnt, but if dumbing my reasoning down to that level helps YOU out in any way, feel free.

Originally posted by riv6672
No it isnt, but if dumbing my reasoning down to that level helps YOU out in any way, feel free. It sounds like it

Batman isn't pure MA so he's inferior to someone who is. That's a pretty weak argument

No, THIS is a weak argument. Have fun, pursuing it without me.

Originally posted by riv6672
No, THIS is a weak argument. Have fun, pursuing it without me. Then why don't you clarify what you meant then? To avoid any more potential strawmans