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Well, let's keep it simple.

Who is the weakest being that can get a majority over him without any amp or artifact in a random encounter?

Please don't turn this into a Superman/SS/Thor vs Hulk. Seriously.

I assume you mean current Hulk?

Possibly Rose Tattoo. Her weapons can kill anything, and she has killed more powerful people than the Hulk.

Shadowcat. Phase him wherever, doesn't need to kill him.

Blink can send him anywhere or into things.

It shouldn't be possible for Hulk to take out the Klaw, though it's impossible to say....

Robinson Prometheus could probably take him out with some of that crazy gear.

Justice could bubble his brain if he's bloodlusted.

Mystique.

Shapeshifts into a puppy (as seen in Astonishing X-men 62)

Reverts him into Banner (as seen in Indestructible Hulk Special #1)

Chops/shoots him (as seen in Indestructible Hulk...#20?)

I though Indestructible Hulk was unbeatble.....biscuits

High skyfather at the very least with some pis to beat this Hulk

A serious Wolverine out for the kill, in the woods.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
A serious Wolverine out for the kill, in the woods.
It's possible that Wolverine could get a lucky kill or so, but the woods wouldn't help him much.

Hulk only needs to thunderclap and the area should be cleared.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It's possible that Wolverine could get a lucky kill or so, but the woods wouldn't help him much.

Hulk only needs to thunderclap and the area should be cleared.

Unless Wolverine got on all fours, stopped shaving, and pretended to be a puppy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unless Wolverine got on all fours, stopped shaving, and pretended to be a puppy.

Sniktbub don't bub that way, bub.

Nimrod...

Especially since Nimrod just doesnt see his target and immediately run in and attack; it takes its time, scans target for weaknesses, then engages...

In a one on one fight, this thing is just (IMHO) too intelligent, processes too fast, and is just too versatile for Hulk...

Originally posted by Insane Titan
High skyfather at the very least with some pis to beat this Hulk

Originally posted by Estacado
I though Indestructible Hulk was unbeatble.....biscuits ... Isn't he? crackers

sun god. ergo any superman homage.

Well if it is being accepted that Wolvie can KILL The Unbeatable and Indestructible. I guess anybody with the right weapon can kill him.

Aunt May with angry letters to the editor.

You guys have weird classifications of Hulk. "Indestructible" Hulk is more or less just the savage Hulk.

Merged Hulk could beat him by being on average stronger and always smarter. On occasions he is weaker but not enough times to lose a majority.


Cheers.

Cyclops, wolverine, midmighter, omega red, batman, ironman, any of these could stomp hulk.

I miss the days when wolverine was a legitimate threat to bricks

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I miss the days when wolverine was a legitimate threat to bricks

he still is the brick counter

Not really. Did u see his last encounter with hulk? Embarrassing

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not really. Did u see his last encounter with hulk? Embarrassing

Counter within reason.

Counter against someone whos slow and can bench 20-80 ton, not against The Hulk who can level mountains :-P

Originally posted by krisblaze
Counter within reason.

Counter against someone whos slow and can bench 20-80 ton, not against The Hulk who can level mountains :-P

Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film.

Pre ret con Wolverine truly was a trans tier character, he was absolutely immortal (not exagerating - his ability to heal was an extension of his direct connection with TOAA). He was dropping characters like thanos, hulk, galactus, phoenix, gladiator,etc. with ease.

Then the changes started happening, where marvel had gained financial stability and no longer needed to use wolverine as their poster boy (who was their highest selling character during their darkest financial era. He saved marvel from bankruptcy in terms of propping up sales).

Marvel's new direction for wolverine was a more human character the new generation couls connect with. One who had visible faults, and weaknesses that were not overshadowed by extreme archetypal dominance.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Pre ret con Wolverine truly was a trans tier character, he was absolutely immortal (not exagerating - his ability to heal was an extension of his direct connection with TOAA). He was dropping characters like thanos, hulk, galactus, phoenix, gladiator,etc. with ease.

Then the changes started happening, where marvel had gained financial stability and no longer needed to use wolverine as their poster boy (who was their highest selling character during their darkest financial era. He saved marvel from bankruptcy in terms of propping up sales).

Marvel's new direction for wolverine was a more human character the new generation couls connect with. One who had visible faults, and weaknesses that were not overshadowed by extreme archetypal dominance.

Be that as it may it detracts from the characters roots. Sorta like how hulk is on all these teams when he always wanted to be left alone, etc

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film.

Well, it did and it didn't.

In example the narration in his first apperance, where its stated that one hit from the Hulk might kill him.

He had a lot of sick stuff in the 80s, like his fights with Roughouse or when he was wailing on Grey Hulk, but it was always more about Wolverine being able to dodge the hits, not take endless punishment.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well, it did and it didn't.

In example the narration in his first apperance, where its stated that one hit from the Hulk might kill him.

He had a lot of sick stuff in the 80s, like his fights with Roughouse or when he was wailing on Grey Hulk, but it was always more about Wolverine being able to dodge the hits, not take endless punishment.

Yet he's been consistently shown to be able to hang until he recently got nerfed. That's y their rivalry was so intense in the 90s

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yet he's been consistently shown to be able to hang until he recently got nerfed. That's y their rivalry was so intense in the 90s

The rivalry has never been intense and it really depends how you define "able to hang". The only time Wolverine has looked capable of hanging by my definition is when Hulk was massively depowered (Fixit) or when Logan was massively powered up (Deathverine).

The historical trend is that Wolverine cannot cut the Savage Hulk and gets KTFO quickly after Hulk manages to tag him. Wolverine's best ever showing vs a green Hulk came within the last 24 months.


Cheers.

Captain America

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film. Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the issue. The strength disparity never mattered in earlier comics. I despise feats for feats sake. It's as if each new event is turning into a micheal bay film. i think the hulk will win here

Seems like Fury along with other Avengers thinks that the only person/being capable of stopping Hulk is another Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like Fury along with other Avengers thinks that the only person/being capable of stopping Hulk is another Hulk.

Thats because they havent encountered Nimrod...

Lol...you could probably be right since he is a hax character.

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like Fury along with other Avengers thinks that the only person/being capable of stopping Hulk is another Hulk.

Didn't Fury stop Hulk on the moon?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Fury stop Hulk on the moon?

With the biggest amp any human being should possess. So yes, he did shoot Hulk with some type of Gamma ray. IIRC, it was a sneak attack. Take out the big gun, worry about the rest. That's what I got from it.

Originally posted by carver9
With the biggest amp any human being should possess. So yes, he did shoot Hulk with some type of Gamma ray. IIRC, it was a sneak attack. Take out the big gun, worry about the rest. That's what I got from it.

So....what Fury thinks and what Fury actually does are two completely separate things.

Christmas is over.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....what Fury thinks and what Fury actually does are two completely separate things.

Christmas is over.



Glad to have you back. Don't understand your point though. Fury was amped to the point that he was capable of taking on the Avengers, after dispatching Hulk. Where are you going with this?

Originally posted by carver9


Glad to have you back. Don't understand your point though. Fury was amped to the point that he was capable of taking on the Avengers, after dispatching Hulk. Where are you going with this?

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like Fury along with other Avengers thinks that the only person/being capable of stopping Hulk is another Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Fury stop Hulk on the moon?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....what Fury thinks and what Fury actually does are two completely separate things.

Christmas is over.

IOW, who cares what Fury thinks? Obviously a Hulk is not the only thing that would stop a Hulk.

Uuuummm, Fury no longer possess that power. It was taken from him.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuuummm, Fury no longer possess that power. It was taken from him.

My point still stands. In fact, it is strengthened.

Fury KNOWS you don't need a Hulk to stop a Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point still stands. In fact, it is strengthened.

Fury KNOWS you don't need a Hulk to stop a Hulk.

What do you need because he had a team full of hero's that included Blue Marvel and he didn't send the team or any of them to stop Hulk. He even mentions that they need the secret weapon to do so and in the previous comic...he even brings up their chances being small due to Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
What do you need because he had a team full of hero's that included Blue Marvel and he didn't send the team or any of them to stop Hulk. He even mentions that they need the secret weapon to do so and in the previous comic...he even brings up their chances being small due to Hulk.

To stop Indestructible? We are just going around in circles. Fury himself would need an amp, and a gamma gun.

Mystique would need a normal gun.

So what level is IH ate Hulk wize?

Last I heard was around Savage.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To stop Indestructible? We are just going around in circles. Fury himself would need an amp, and a gamma gun.

Mystique would need a normal gun.

Rhodey, even while controlling an army of War Machines didn't feel confident with Hulk on the battle field.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-12-26-13-18-47_zpsaad0834c.png.html

Let's see what Fury say.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-12-26-13-18-33_zpsbf88b6ae.png.html

If Fury was so confident that he could stop the Hulk 'up front', he would have done so and not be so worried about Hulk being on the battle field. Hell, all of them were worried.

With that said...Fury no longer possess that amp so what amp are you talking about?

What gun would Mystique have to use?

AoA nightcrawler

Originally posted by carver9
Rhodey, even while controlling an army of War Machines didn't feel confident with Hulk on the battle field.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-12-26-13-18-47_zpsaad0834c.png.html

Let's see what Fury say.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-12-26-13-18-33_zpsbf88b6ae.png.html

If Fury was so confident that he could stop the Hulk 'up front', he would have done so and not be so worried about Hulk being on the battle field. Hell, all of them were worried.

Yes, let's see what Fury says. FFS carver. That's not Fury.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, let's see what Fury says. FFS carver. That's not Fury.

Da**...just realized that. You're right. Fury still doesn't have that amp though.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
AoA nightcrawler

Snatching limbs off?

Originally posted by carver9
Da**...just realized that. You're right. Fury still doesn't have that amp though.

Still moot. Fury didn't need a Hulk, he stopped him. He had an amp, and a gun, true, but didn't need a Hulk. Which makes your statement: Fury thinks only a Hulk will stop a Hulk wrong.

Originally posted by carver9

What gun would Mystique have to use?

The same gun used at the end of Indestructible Hulk 20. Look it up.

Let me see. One sec. Also, are you implying it would take a trans tier to stop Hulk because per Fury showing with this amp, he was at those levels.

You are talking about the monster Jeesup feeding on Hulks power? Did you read that arc? No guns were used in that arc. Scans on the way.

IHulk is like green scar with his classic durability. Marvel seems to be writing it's top tiers up.

That said Bucky shoots Hulk from space.

Originally posted by carver9


You are talking about the monster Jeesup feeding on Hulks power? Did you read that arc? No guns were used in that arc. Scans on the way.

Lol. Why do you always call my knowledge into question? When I school you at every turn?

Read the last page. When IH reverted back to Banner. There is a reason I used Mystique, and not, say, Deadpool.

Here's the comic in sequence:

1. Astonishing X-men #62: Mystique shapeshifts into a puppy:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/Teqyf.jpg

2. Hulk sees the puppy:

http://i.imgur.com/PwpSN8d.png

3. Bang.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/27_zps88d303f0.jpg

So, no amps, no artifacts, Mystique is the weakest who can take out Indestructible Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Why do you always call my knowledge into question? When I school you at every turn?

Read the last page. When IH reverted back to Banner. There is a reason I used Mystique, and not, say, Deadpool.

Its not the last page that's you are forgetting. Hulk rage was being drained pages before turning into Banner. This wasn't a one shot deal and Hulk wasn't even attacking him...THEN, he was amped when he drained Hulk. All in all, you have no evidence and that showing doesn't have a thing to do with a gun.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here's the comic in sequence:

1. Astonishing X-men #62: Mystique shapeshifts into a puppy:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/Teqyf.jpg

2. Hulk sees the puppy:

http://i.imgur.com/PwpSN8d.png

3. Bang.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/27_zps88d303f0.jpg

So, no amps, no artifacts, Mystique is the weakest who can take out Indestructible Hulk.

Post the entire scene with the phone please. I know what was said on that page but I would love for you to post it in its entirety.

Wait a minute...so the battle starts. Hulk and Mystique is facing each other. Hulk sees Mystique turn into a puppy and it still tricks him? Nice logic there.

Mystique dies.

Wait, in the Black Bolt vs Gladiator thread, you posted one panel from BB vs Hulk and that was all you needed. Now you need the whole page? Hmmmm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, in the Black Bolt vs Gladiator thread, you posted one panel from BB vs Hulk and that was all you needed. Now you need the whole page? Hmmmm.

Nope...look at the page before in that thread. I posted the entire scene. I cut it in half because people didn't look at the scans I posted.

And yes, he just sees a puppy and transforms. Its a trigger that he has no control over, but others use to control him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And yes, he just sees a puppy and transforms. Its a trigger that he has no control over, but others use to control him.

So he see Mystique transform right in front of his eyes and you think that would work? Gotcha

Originally posted by carver9
So he see Mystique transform right in front of his eyes and you think that would work? Gotcha

Show me when puppies failed to revert him. He was in a rage, and stopped. Show me just one scan, or half a scan, please, of this technique ever failing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Show me when puppies failed to revert him. He was in a rage, and stopped. Show me just one scan, or half a scan, please, of this technique ever failing.

First you show me Mystique knowing about Hulk and Puppies. Then I will show you what you are asking for. This isn't basic knowledge ya know. So how would she even know to turn into something like that instead of defending herself.

Originally posted by carver9
First you show me Mystique knowing about Hulk and Puppies. Then I will show you what you are asking for. This isn't basic knowledge ya know. So how would she even know to turn into something like that instead of defending herself.
Death of Wolverine: Logan's Legacy, where Mystique hacks into SHIELD's files.

SHIELD use that technique routinely, to the point they have puppies on the standby.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Death of Wolverine: Logan's Legacy, where Mystique hacks into SHIELD's files.

SHIELD use that technique routinely, to the point they have puppies on the standby.

So she has info on the Hulk. Prove it. Prove that she read all of the files. Are you using Mystique with prep?

He SEES the SHIELD agents deploying the puppies, and he still falls to their charms:

http://37.media.tumblr.com/805f571cb98a71fb82bd220a1905615b/tumblr_murykf9H3m1qee52wo2_1280.jpg
http://31.media.tumblr.com/fbf266df3843d822acd2bd9c471f78ae/tumblr_murykf9H3m1qee52wo3_1280.jpg
http://31.media.tumblr.com/eb7875567c912160dd41b77cbfe06fa9/tumblr_murykf9H3m1qee52wo4_1280.jpg

He didn't revert during that scene though.

Also, this thread is about who can beat Indestructible Hulk, not Bruce Banner.

Originally posted by carver9
He didn't revert during that scene though.

Is this self-ownage that you're doing, your gift to me? Thanks!!

THE VERY NEXT PAGE:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/06_zps85113cc9.jpg

Oh Carver

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is this self-ownage that you're doing, your gift to me? Thanks!!

THE VERY NEXT PAGE:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/06_zps85113cc9.jpg

I'm talking about, right then. Thats why i said 'during that scene'. Wouldn't this have to be an immediate process?

Originally posted by carver9
I'm talking about, right then. Thats why i said 'during that scene'. Wouldn't this have to be an immediate process?



Happy New Year Carv.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Happy New Year Carv.

Happy New Years to you to bro.

Glad you conceded.

Oh dear.

haermm
Hulk's smile.....the art....

Great scans DS. Mystique ftw

Mystique can beat Banner. Too bad this is about Hulk though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is this self-ownage that you're doing, your gift to me? Thanks!!

THE VERY NEXT PAGE:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/06_zps85113cc9.jpg

No freaking way

Banner is Hulk tho

So Banner is Indestructible Hulk. Mystique beating Banner isn't beating the Hulk. I can go down a list of animal and snakes that could beat Banner. Mystique isn't even needed.

Fine.

Random SHIELD agent with a puppy picture does it. Even weaker than Mystique, but has the knowledge and the ability to do so.

She/he defeats the Hulk, by BFR. As Banner is NOT the Hulk, as per carver, the second he turns into Banner, Hulk has been removed from the battlefield.

anyone see hulk get taken out by the alt hulk in new avengers....?

PC KK would also wreck Hulk 10/10

Originally posted by leonidas
anyone see hulk get taken out by the alt hulk in new avengers....?

Yeah, I seen it.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-12-30-12-47-15_zps311f2b1d.png.html

Also, is this thread about beating Hulk or transforming him to Banner and beating him that way?

Loa (Alani Ryan) can easily beat Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, I seen it.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-12-30-12-47-15_zps311f2b1d.png.html

Also, is this thread about beating Hulk or transforming him to Banner and beating him that way?

Wasn't the alternate Hulk weaker, which is how Sun God managed to beat him

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wasn't the alternate Hulk weaker, which is how Sun God managed to beat him

Really?

Originally posted by carver9
Really?

Happy New Year!

i was a little surprised remote control hulk took out the real mccoy, but hulk hasn't gotten a ton of respect in avengers books. would like to have seen more of the fight, but it didn't appear to last very long. gonna be a rematch, no doubt.

Hopefully so.

Although for now, as we stand, the alternate Hulk was able to take out Hulk, and Susan was able to keep him in check (along with everybody else).

Still, anybody who can turn IH back into Banner would beat him. Anyone who can BFR him (like Starbrand) can beat him.

Someone like Cloak, Deadpool (back when he could bodyslide), Pixie, Shadowcat - the possibilities are many. The problem is when people think 1 dimensionally, and start putting bricks against Hulk. That's using PIS in comics, which thankfully we are free from here in the forums.

Bfr is a good tool. I agree with that. It depends on which showings of Hulk you choose...when it comes to bfr, his showings are all over the place.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hopefully so.

Although for now, as we stand, the alternate Hulk was able to take out Hulk, and Susan was able to keep him in check (along with everybody else).

Still, anybody who can turn IH back into Banner would beat him. Anyone who can BFR him (like Starbrand) can beat him.

Someone like Cloak, Deadpool (back when he could bodyslide), Pixie, Shadowcat - the possibilities are many. The problem is when people think 1 dimensionally, and start putting bricks against Hulk. That's using PIS in comics, which thankfully we are free from here in the forums.
Wasn't Sue amped in that scene?