Originally posted by AncientPower
Revan upon recieving his Mandalorian mask combined both of his identities into one and clearly was far more powerful than his programmed identity. This combination of identities essentially began the insanity that creeped in.
This is a very interesting interpretation of Revan's development. You have artistic writing potential, it seems. This is a compliment.
You believe that Revan was somehow hindered by his programmed identity?
Originally posted by AncientPower
Malak could not defeat KotOR Revan despite retaining every advantage in the book, I only believe the reborn incarnation of Revan to be strong enough to stand against Caedus.
Revan, at the end of story arc of KoTOR, can be labeled as (Prodigal). Even during this time, Revan was powerful enough to cut a swath through the defenses of the Star Forge before approaching the position of Darth Malak. Revan's combat related performance on the Star Forge is among his top showings and also of the Force-users holistically in the mythos.
Revan was already prodigiously strong during the Mandalorian Wars and further grew in power afterwards, programmed identity did not prevent his power progression.
This is the power progression:-
Jedi Order's most powerful champion (Mandalorian Wars) <= Darth Revan < Prodigal (Jedi Civil War) < Reborn (SWTOR)
Originally posted by AncientPower
Malak does not by any means make up for the power gap between Darth Revan and his Reborn incarnation(s) and thus Caedus would win.
Darth Malak was also among the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy and could comfortably subdue powerful Jedi in combat (e.g. Bastilla Shan). His loss to Revan is not an indication of weakness on his part, it is rather an indication of immense power of Revan.
I don't think that Darth Malak is inferior to individuals such as Mara and Jaina. Even if he alone does not stands much of a chance against Caedus, he have (Darth) Revan on his side.
I don't see how Caedus can overcome a duo of the aforementioned legends in single combat. Caedus may have superior dueling ability then both but they are not significantly lacking in dueling ability and power in comparison. This duo can also pull off an effective teamwork to undermine potential advantages of Caedus.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Caedus purposefully engaged Luke with the intent of keeping Luke's superior use of the Force to a minimum, a tactic that evidently worked.
Interesting interpretation. Thoughtful.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Essentially Caedus could match LOTF Luke in a duel but not in a battle of Force Power. This implies Caedus over DE Sidious in dueling ability due to DE Luke's clean victory over the latter in a duel.
Command of the Force and raw power influence dueling ability of a Force-user. Caedus would not be significantly inferior to Luke holistically, therefore his performance. Of-course, additional variables are also in the works such as Luke was not willing to kill Caedus, at-least not in front of his son who was vulnerable at that point.
As for Sidious, he had disarmed Luke earlier in another confrontation. Therefore, Luke did not had a decisive edge over Sidious in dueling ability. Another variable is that Sidious may have neglected his martial skills after his recovery.
In the nutshell, it is not necessary that every confrontation between Luke and Caedus would end in the same manner as it did in front of Ben.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Revelation as I stated(though it may very well be Fury and I'm mixing my bad memories of both novels).
Then your point is moot. Not saying that Caedus is superior to those you mentioned but your claim is unsubstantiated so far.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Not unparalleled, however Tionne had free reign to read and record the vast troves of knowledge that Luke and other Jedi gathered for five decades following the establish of the praxeum, including texts such as the Jedi Path and Book of Sith. Her own incredible knowledge of galactic history before joining Luke's academy was very impressive by itself.
Again, historians do not get everything right. They just obtain information from various sources that can vary in reliability within the lore itself.
As an example, no historian is in the position to determine how powerful Emperor felt to another Force-user upon contact without personal experience and no Jedi historian ever met him or lived to tell the tale after meeting. Emperor caused feint vibrations in his surroundings and disturbed other individuals with his mere presence because he unwittingly emitted dark side energy in palpable waves, his original body or vessels were barely able to contain the energy surging inside. It may be that Emperor had to consistently protect his original body or vessels from harm from internal energy that surged inside. Emperor's power progression spans a millennia and he have literally influenced environments on planetary scale with his dark side practices.
Originally posted by AncientPower
It is however a strong indication of how in tune with the Force a Force Sensitive is and Caedus' moment was so deep that his ability to 'overload' and stretch the limits of his physical use and extent of usage over the Force increased dramatically after it. One of the incredibly rare lasting effects we've seen from a moment of oneness.
Fair enough
A significant development undoubtedly.
In-fact, Darth Malgus also experienced a similar moment of oneness after killing his love-interest which permanently enhanced his power in the aftermath:
Thinking of Eleena blew oxygen on the embers of his anger. In life, Eleena had been his weakness, a tool to be exploited by rivals. In death, she had become his strength, her memory the lens of his rage.
He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it.
He had evolved. Nothing split his loyalties any longer. He served the Force and only the Force, and his understanding of it increased daily.
The growing power whirling around him, leaking through the lid of his control, made the suppression of his Force signature impossible.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived
The power progression was of such intensity that the effort to maintain stealth literally failed as a consequence.
I don't think that events such as the above would ever be documented because they often happened in most unsuspecting circumstances.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Exactly, as of his Reborn incarnation, not Darth Revan.
Malak simply doesn't have the chops to stand against someone whom can effortlessly sever him from the Force (or even restore that connection) at will, as Caedus has already displayed against numerous others, including himself.
Darth Revan is not going to stand up to a Sith Lord as powerful as that, his prime might, but not Darth Revan.
As pointed out above, even if Darth Malak and Darth Revan are not as strong as Darth Caedus on individual basis, they are a team here and they are remarkably powerful each. Revan even more-so then the other and officially recognized as prodigiously strong even as of this time.
The duo have ample experience and power to overcome a single opponent such as Caedus.
The maximum that I can concede is that Caedus may win under favorable circumstances but not otherwise.
