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Kol.

Originally posted by Trocity
Kol.

Kol. He may not have a *lot* of showings, but "was seen on a pile of sith and stormtrooper bodies seemingly without a scratch, fighting off several more, only falling due to a high-level enemy he'd already kicked in the face once blasting him the back," is a pretty good one.

Being a fully grown, fully trained Skywalker on top of that certainly helps.

Kol have decent performance in battlefield but more is needed to evaluate him.

So far, Darach looks more impressive then many Jedi.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kol have decent performance in battlefield but more is needed to evaluate him. The irony.

Originally posted by ILS
The irony.
You have details to share? Please do.

smartass lmao

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have details to share? Please do. kao = featlezz. all he did was die in trailer lol

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kol have decent performance in battlefield but more is needed to evaluate him.

So far, Darach looks more impressive then many Jedi.

It's incredibly unlikely he'd be on Kol's level.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kol have decent performance in battlefield but more is needed to evaluate him.

We also know he knows Shatterpoint offensively (as a ghost, he showed Cade how to turn a traspesteel cube into a shrapnel bomb).

In the brief combat we saw, he kicked Nihl in the face, sliced some sith up, blocked lightning (looks actually to be reflecting it back at the user), and showed very good footing on a pile of corpses he made.




Yes, but of all the Grand Masters we know, Zym is the only one I'd give him an edge over. Most GMs blow Darach out of the water.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, but of all the Grand Masters we know, Zym is the only one I'd give him an edge over. Most GMs blow Darach out of the water.

I wouldn't go that far. I'd say Kol does, taking into account the implications of his position and what we've seen him demonstrate, but Darach himself was extremely impressive in what little we've seen of him. I'd put him on par with most GMs that we know of to be honest. You've also got to remember that GM isn't even neccessarily a position of power; in terms of general combat prowess, I'd argue Battlemaster (which is what Darach was) is practically as distinguished a position.

Kol wins this one.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Kol wins this one.

Ultimately, Skywalker>Non Skywalker.

Usually.

Bucketloads of Non-Skywalker Jedi > Ben and Nat Skywalker, bro.

Originally posted by appletonia
I wouldn't go that far. I'd say Kol does, taking into account the implications of his position and what we've seen him demonstrate, but Darach himself was extremely impressive in what little we've seen of him. I'd put him on par with most GMs that we know of to be honest. You've also got to remember that GM isn't even neccessarily a position of power; in terms of general combat prowess, I'd argue Battlemaster (which is what Darach was) is practically as distinguished a position.


Ok, aside from Zym, which GMs have not been badass?

Hm, actually, I thought of a second one, Kenth Hamner.

But aside from those: Luke, Yoda, Fae Coven (who had TK of at *least* Yoda's level), Saba Sebantyne, Satele Shan, Nomi Sunrider.


Grand Master isn't necessarily a position of personal power, but it very very often is, and the GM does normally stand noticeably above the battlemaster and is usually the strongest Jedi of their time.

Who ever said Zym was weak, also?

Oh, one other factor: Nat Skywalker, Kol's brother, even rusty was a pretty powerful master we see perform well in combat several times in the series, and part of the reason he quit the order was because he felt he couldn't live up to Kol. So yea, Kol was strong enough to give Nat an inferiority complex, even though Nat was the older and more experienced.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Who ever said Zym was weak, also?

He died to a mandalorian.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Bucketloads of Non-Skywalker Jedi > Ben and Nat Skywalker, bro.

And even they aren't weak, just respectable.

Nor could either of them have pulled off the kind of damage Kol was doing in his last stand.

Heck, if he'd hit Nihl with a saber instead of a limb, who knows what his total body count would be? Since Kol didn't even look tired at the time and had no wounds, his body count may have gone way up.

Also in Ben's favor, he isn't anything close to matured yet. We'll never know, because Legends is discontinued, how strong he'd become.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Also in Ben's favor, he isn't anything close to matured yet. We'll never know, because Legends is discontinued, how strong he'd become.

Indeed. A 'weak' Skywalker is one who either isn't fully trained (Ben, Leia), or who hasn't trained in awhile (Nat, start-of-series Cade).

Roan is another good example of a less uber Skywalker, though he's solid in his own right.

Has it been proven that Roan's a Skywalker?

He's the grandson of Jaina, bro.

All I can guess is, assuming Ben Skywalker takes over as Grandmaster from his father when Luke either dies or gets too old, his force abilities and lightsaber skills will necessarily have improved to at least Shan level, if not Yoda level.

That's quite the assumption.

Perhaps. But the point is, we'll never know. No new Legends books will ever be written.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Roan is another good example of a less uber Skywalker, though he's solid in his own right.


True. By that point, there seems to be a difference between the Fel and Skywalker lines, though he's still one of the top force users in the galaxy.

I'm curious as to how he'd fare against one of the hands.

Make a thread for it, then.