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Who wins?

Malak lets down Team 1 pretty hard so team 2.

Sidious is usually a mighty trump card. But this version of him might be too early to compensate for Malak. Hmmm....

Malak would get stomped by either Sith but Sidious is an obvious winner to either Vader or Kun.

Sidious wins for team 1

TPM Sidious cannot defeat someone who is 80% of his ROTJ incarnation and another Sith even closer than that.

Oh creator statements...

Regardless, I don't think any incarnation but DE Sidious could pull this off. Two of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time and his only aid is un-amped Malak.

Kun and Vader have no feats in speed suggesting they dont get blitzed.

Good luck trying to argue that, neither of his opponents can be blitzed in any fashion.

Kun was a match for Ulic, whom has displayed several after-images of himself in combat and has blitzed other opponrnts including Warb Null. Not to mention that Kun's precognition is stated to make him virtually unstoppable in combat.

Vader has moved so fast so as to appear as a blur and even teleporting to others.

Sidious couldn't blitz Maul and Savage, he will have no such luck here.

Both teams seem to have a chance here.

Originally posted by carthage
Kun and Vader have no feats in speed suggesting they dont get blitzed.

Which one of the two sith lords do you think is faster? I'm actually curious.

Team 1. Malak can hold off one of them long enough for Sidious to kill the other.

Malak is inferior by magnitudes to either of team 2, he would die far faster than either of his opponents will fall to Sidious.

TPM Sidious is very strongly matched by either Vader or Kun whereas Malak is far out of his depth.

Lol no, Malak was a direct rival of Redeemed Revan, a character who is directly up with the likes of Vader and Kun.
Sources even suggest Malak's mechanical enhancements may have gave him powers far beyond Exar Kun himself.

No Malak got his shit kicked in by an exhausted Revan despite major advantages.

Oh and numerous in-game statements(Both KotOR and KotOR 2) suggest that Revan and Malak were eclipsed by the likes of Freedon Nadd and Exar Kun.

Except he didn't (besides the amp part, that is true).

Ah I love this argument. The only reference of Kun's superiority to Malak and Revan is by a Rodian (IIRC) salesman of the Yavin IV station who never even encountered Malak or Revan, and what he heard of Kun is obvious hype by the people who come to Yavin IV, telling the stories and making sense of how so much destruction occurred. In contrast, we have the Jedi Enclave members agreeing Revan is the most powerful padawan the Academy has ever seen, and Kun was a member of such facility only some years prior.

Jolee Bindo who fought the Sith directly in the Great Sith War and is one of Revan's companions states that Kun was far worse.

Oh and the Dantooine Council wasn't even around in the time of Kun, Vodo was the watchman of Dantooine and that Council established years later.

The Jedi Council of Dantooine pales in comparison to their TOTJ counterparts. Yet Kun was stated to be far more powerful than any Jedi of his time.

I don't recall this quote, though if you provide it I can counter it.

Just because there was a watchman doesn't mean there wasn't a council.

He was a direct rival and equal to Droma according to new material.

He makes numerous statements about how the Sith and the Jedi were stronger in his time, including the likes of Nomi. I'd have to go through his dialogue again though for direct quotes.

They weren't established until after Baas died, before then he was the lone overseer of the Enclave.

Ulic was his martial equal before Kun's prime, but not as powerful.

There's also a high-ranking Mandalorian in KOTOR II that says Freedon Nadd was worse than Revan and Malak combined, too.

Both Mandalore's disagree. :iwin:

TMP zidiouz have already kill Plagueiz...

NewGuy you know mandalorian.... Warrior pride....

But Freedon nadd break Exar Kun force zhield... There iz only two able to do zo...
Zo that'z mean, yhea he iz powerfull....

If mandalorian have alwayz true they zhould be united under the zame clan... Im pretty zure than other mandalorian will dizagree n thiz...

And there iz alzo power and power.... Having a big fkeet iz power....

im with ant on this one people underestimate Malaks skills in this serverely

So the question is whether or not Malak could hold out against Vader long enough for Sidious to dispatch Exar? Interesting thread idea, OP, but T1 wins.

Vader could face Sidious while Kun faces Malak though that one wouldn't end well for team 2.

So you think TPM Sidious can kill Kun faster than Vader kills unamped Malak?

TPM Sidious was fast enough to be described as a phantom, dodged and deflected blaster bolts from an army of droids, was fast enough to fade from Maul's senses, and was fast enough to not get hit by hundreds of Kursid warriors. Kun is many speed tiers beneath him as is Vader.

Originally posted by carthage
Kun is many speed tiers beneath him as is Vader.

You haven't answered my question.

Yeah, Sidious can kill either one via blitz or outdueling in seconds

No, this question:

Vader

Originally posted by Sinious

So you think TPM Sidious can kill Kun faster than Vader kills unamped Malak?

Well, really it depends on what the difference is between TPM and RotS Sidious; other than the fact that he gained a power boost after killing Plagueis, there isn't much to say that he was significantly weaker than in RotS other than a vague rumor that Luceno said Plagueis would have defeated Palpatine had he formally challenged him. The validity of this has yet to be proven, though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, really it depends on what the difference is between TPM and RotS Sidious; other than the fact that he gained a power boost after killing Plagueis, there isn't much to say that he was significantly weaker than in RotS other than a vague rumor that Luceno said Plagueis would have defeated Palpatine had he formally challenged him. The validity of this has yet to be proven, though.

Sidious must have become stronger naturally; to what extend though its impossible to tell. Like you said, it doesn't make sense to assume there is a massive amount of difference. Kun might gain himself enough time to hold his ground with his blasts and unique application of the force. It depends on how good Vader would do against someone like Malak I guess.

Vader is magnitudes superior to Malak in all regards beyond Force Lightning. Vader stomps un-amped Malak 10/10, infact I can't find any reason to suggest that Vader can't just Force stomp him to death.

Kun can certainly hold TPM Sidious, soon as Malak dies then Sidious gets double-teamed.