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Who is better at getting what they want? Who wins in a tactical type of warfare?

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Nick wins all scenarios, the only thing going for the Wall is that she's more ruthless but Nick is the better tactician by far

Originally posted by relentless1
Nick wins all scenarios, the only thing going for the Wall is that she's more ruthless but Nick is the better tactician by far

I wouldn't even call her more ruthless. Fury is plenty ruthless, he just always has so many options that ruthless is usually near the bottom of his list.

For example, when he was running the Secret Warriors, Hellfire skimmed some of that 1.2 billion dollars they stole from Hydra. They flipped him as a double agent when they tracked the money.

When Fury found out he threw him off a cliff. No hesitation, no care that he was grooming Quake to be a leader and her boyfriends death would affect her. He straight up pulled a "Long live the King" moment and threw him off instead of helping him.

And then there's the whole Original Sin business to consider.

Yeah. Fury pretty much has her beat in all areas. And Black Fury is blacker than she is, so he's got her beat there too.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah. Fury pretty much has her beat in all areas. And Black Fury is blacker than she is, so he's got her beat there too.

What's up with the recent black Fury in the 616 universe?