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All at their peak.

No amp/prep time is given.

Neutral Setting.

Which team wins this?

No takers?

Siding with team 1.

Exar Kun solos his dual-phase saber and precog makes him unstoppable and there are no immovable objects in this thread

Team 1.

Caedus can stomp Hero and Satele at once.

Malgus and Starkiller can take the others via the force

Team 1.

Satele BM amps her team, game over.

Kind of hard to BM amp someone when you're going to get stomped by a guy that can fight Luke or ragdolled by the guy that beat you twice before.

4 V.S 3 Team 2 win.
ILS Exar Kun is a way much too offensiv is not a good at defence...

Revan (I mean if you take the best of Revan novel Revan or KotOR darth Revan.) cannot be stomp by the force his multiples force protectionwon't make him easy to down with the force...
Exar Kun beat starkiller and malgus in a 1 V.S1 .. It have been prooven Revan Beat starkiller and malgus in a 1 V.S 1....
Well Darth Revan still cadeus equal.... Humhum... That's obvious than Team 2 win.... The have the numeric advantage....

Revan is the most powerful entity on this battlefield, whoever he fights is going to die. Exar and Hot can stall the other two, and or defeat them with the aid of BM from Satele.

Revan then destroys the rest of team 1 after he has killed Caedus in combat

http://www.laurenqhill.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/will-i-explode-in-outer-space.jpg

I actually didn't consider the possibility of Battle Meditation here.

Originally posted by carthage
Kind of hard to BM amp someone when you're going to get stomped by a guy that can fight Luke or ragdolled by the guy that beat you twice before.
Kind of hard to stomp someone when you have one of Revan, Exar Kun or Hero of Tython kicking your ass via the Battle Meditation of said someone.

Not to mention Kun & Revan > Starkiller and Malgus, then they have Hero of Tython for back-up as well. The only chance Team 1 has is Darth Caedus and he's facing some of the greatest ever in the mythos all amped by Battle Meditation.

Which will be near impossible given the force powers of team 1

Revan eclipses everyone on team one in terms of force power, and in all likelihood could ragdoll team 1 with the force on his own for the win.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kind of hard to stomp someone when you have one of Revan, Exar Kun or Hero of Tython kicking your ass via the Battle Meditation of said someone.

Not to mention Kun & Revan > Starkiller and Malgus, then Hero of Tython to boot. The only chance Team 1 has is Darth Caedus and he's facing some of the greatest ever in the mythos all amped by Battle Meditation.

Hero is useless and Kun wouldn't last any longer than Katarn did against Caedus. Satele likewise is a weak link in power/skill, on top of the fact none of her feats compare with either Starkiller or Malgus. Caedus can already fight two of them on his own as well, what feats does anyone amped with Satele's battle med have?

You're acting like Team 2 is a team of inferiors when half the members of Team 2 are solidly above two thirds of Team 1.

Team 2 has the numbers advantage and Battle Meditation on-top of that. That isn't even mentioning that Shan is hardly a noob herself and is more than capable of going defensive.

Also not to mention is that Darth Malgus' victories in combat against her were both decades before her prime in power.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You're acting like Team 2 is a team of inferiors when half the members of Team 2 are solidly above two thirds of Team 1.

Team 2 has the numbers advantage and Battle Meditation on-top of that. That isn't even mentioning that Shan is hardly a noob herself and is more than capable of going defensive.

Also not to mention is that Darth Malgus' victories in combat against her were both decades before her prime in power.

Revan isn't that far above Malgus (he does have a greater variety of force powers), and Caedus still outclasses Satele, Kun, and HoT. I don't care if she has BM she has no feats with it, and its still incredibly hard to implement it in combat- especially with opponents who can simply stomp her with the force. Malgus outclasses her in power/skill as well, as does Starkiller (in the force).

Originally posted by carthage
Hero is useless and Kun wouldn't last any longer than Katarn did against Caedus. Satele likewise is a weak link in power/skill, on top of the fact none of her feats compare with either Starkiller or Malgus. Caedus can already fight two of them on his own as well, what feats does anyone amped with Satele's battle med have?

Hero, the greatest champion of the Jedi Order, the man that killed the Voice of the Emperor is useless? Exar Kun is Kyle Katarn level? Please stop this is just painful.

You are also vastly missing the point, this is three against four and that fourth has Battle Meditation to amplify her already very powerful allies with.

Stop wanking Caedus so hard, he cannot take Exar Kun and Revan at once, he'd be dead in minutes at the best.

He is solidly above anyone here in dueling capability but Force Power? no, not at all.

Not to mention if Revan really needs to he can use both Telekinetic lightsaber combat and Protection Bubble to keep his descendant out of danger.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Hero, the greatest champion of the Jedi Order, the man that killed the Voice of the Emperor is useless? Exar Kun is Kyle Katarn level? Please stop this is just painful.

You are also vastly missing the point, this is three against four and that fourth has Battle Meditation to amplify her already very powerful allies with.

Stop wanking Caedus so hard, he cannot take Exar Kun and Revan at once, he'd be dead in minutes at the best.

He is solidly above anyone here in dueling capability but Force Power? no, not at all.

Not to mention if Revan really needs to he can use both Telekinetic lightsaber combat and Protection Bubble to keep his descendant out of danger.

I never said Kun was Katarn level I stated he wouldn't last as long, and he wouldn't. Kun is roughly as fast, probably half a tier above in skill at best, and Caedus is monumentally faster, more powerful, and a tier above in skill. HoT has beaten featless individuals and only a weakend Vitiate, plus Malgus has tooled him with the force. Satele and Hero are massive weak links.

Considering Malgus's tendency to implement powerful force attacks that take out groups, he can dominate Hero/Satele at once. Revan can probably beat Malgus or Starkiller, but considering how badly Hero and Satele are eclipsed in power Its not likely he can beat one before his weaker teammates die. Kun would beat Malgus but only in a brutal fight as well, and considering that Starkiller and Malgus are collectively vastly more powerful than him, he'd suffer the same fate by getting tooled by their combined respective force powers along with Satele/Hero

And yeah Caedus is still more powerful than anyone on team 2, with Revan the only one remotely approaching him

A weakened Vitiate is still one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time and has far greater displays of for example, Force lightning than Caedus has ever shown and yet HoT tanked it and multiple FLS and killed him.

Exar Kun has far greater feats/accolades in lightsaber combat than Kyle Katarn has and not to mention is magnitudes more powerful in the Force.

Darth Malgus' 'feats' in False Emperor are glorified game mechanics. The Annihilation description simply stated that he was overwhelmed with grenades and force attacks and knocked into the shaft of the station.

Once again you have ignored that Satele was a Jedi Knight and was far before her prime in their last engagement. Since the Ambush on Alderaan she has displayed feats in Fatal Alliance that put her on a much higher tier.

The fight against Dark Revan was hinged on the use of her Battle Meditation.

Oh and Exar Kun and Revan are both solidly above Darth Malgus and Starkiller in Force Power and likely lightsaber skill.

Dark Revan alone is considered a tier above Darth Malgus, a full strength Revan is likely twice as much.

Exar Kun is one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time and like Darth Caedus has been touted above Darth Vader.

Starkiller has only ever barely defeated Darth Vader in combat but only due to over use of Vader's weakness in Force Lightning.

Meanwhile he's only defeated a distracted Rahm Kota.

Barely killed Kazdan Paratus.

Been dominated in combat by Shaak Ti someone a tier or two below even Vader.

Only just defeated Maris Brood and her Bull Rancor.

Then he defeats Vader by a slim margin and afterward via dying and becoming one with the Force barely managed to Tutaminis Sidious' lightning which killed him anyway.

Both Exar Kun and Revan are demonstratively above all but Darth Caedus.

Hero of Tython managed to kill the Voice of the Emperor, a being much much more powerful than Emperor Malgus, HoT > Malgus. Hero of Tython has tanked far greater Force Lightning and FLS attacks than Starkiller has ever dished out.

Then they are being amplified by Battle Meditation by their fourth member.

Caedus can't carry this one.

I never denied beating Vitiate was a good feat, but the fact is he was weakened and in terms of feats Caedus is superior to the Hero. Fighting evenly with Luke is a superior feat in any regard to fighting the most powerful Sith of his day while he was not at full power, not to mention Caedus outclasses Hero as a swordsman (beating Mara Jade, beating Kyle Katarn, beating 3 Jedi at once, fighting evenly with an amped Jaina while injured) are all monumentally more notable feats of skill than Hero beating featless individuals. As a force user he is superior as well Hero has ragdolled a weakened Vitiate, Caedus has telekinetically destroyed Beskar, effortlessly moved Y wing ships, moving 40 meter ships, absorbing turbolaser fire, blasting away the rubble of tunnels while injured, as well as sending Mara Jade and Saba Sebatyne flying. Hero is nowhere near as skilled.


Yeah, there is no argument Kun is superior to Kyle, but physically they're quite similar apart from Kun's superior physical strength and possibly durability.

Not sure what else you're trying to argue, I already stated Revan is superior to Starkiller and Malgus. But it isn't by bounds and even if he did beat them it would be with great effort on his part. Both of them are comparably powerful and Malgus rivals him skillfully as well, Revan just has more varied force abilities and an answer to everything Malgus has offensively. In skill they're more or less even as duelists

Satele doesn't compete with them at all, there is no evidence she increased in skill as a duelist at all. She's inferior in all aspects to Malgus and Starkiller, and again Hero has already been dominated by Malgus. He can replicate his performance and with a guy that can disintegrate frigates, Hero and Satele are virtually outclassed.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kind of hard to stomp someone when you have one of Revan, Exar Kun or Hero of Tython kicking your ass via the Battle Meditation of said someone.

Not to mention Kun & Revan > Starkiller and Malgus, then they have Hero of Tython for back-up as well. The only chance Team 1 has is Darth Caedus and he's facing some of the greatest ever in the mythos all amped by Battle Meditation.

I've mentionned that !
Darth Revan is the Cadeus of his time......
Ad in the same time some kind of Dark yoda....
Revan is the only one who have explored the entire galaxy in record time ! Absorbing knowledge discovering artifact at a kizaru speed.... Through that he master more techniques than cadeus... O.K more basic (for someone of his level...) But all devlopped at their enhanced degree.. The problem for Revan his to be able to keep his performance, intact he have no real foes that can pose him a real challenge, and excelle in every domain is not something very easy... Even for plagueis being good at the using of the force while being good at the light saber was a real problem....

It cause to Revan to over relie on form 0 and do his lazy guy....


For malgus.. Some of those game mechanic have a background.. Rage provide him a super tutaminis, and a greater lightning capability that reach Bane one rather than Dooku one.

In the trailer he didn't moove when he take rocket shot right in the face. Malgus is a freekin tank, but in rage mode don't really hope to take him down XD.
A lot of grenade and for push where needed....

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Overall, team 2 has an advantage and if we are matching characters, HoTvMalgus is a fight that could go both ways and Kun+Satele can AT LEAST hold off Caedus while Revan kills Starkiller. After that point its 4 on 2.

I didnt even mean to bump this

Seemed like an interesting thread nonetheless.

Originally posted by Sinious
Seemed like an interesting thread nonetheless.


it might break into:

Caedus vs. Revan

Malgus vs. Kun

and Starkiller vs. HoT and Satele

Team 2.

Starkiller wouldn't beat Hero and Satele at once.

With Battle Meditation, everyone on team 2 surpasses everyone on team 1 imo.

Satele's the weak link here in terms of dueling skills, but I'd still give this to team 2 even if she doesn't use her BM.

Originally posted by Stigma


it might break into:

Caedus vs. Revan

Malgus vs. Kun

and Starkiller vs. HoT and Satele

I think the advantage in numbers would be used against Caedus and if anyone's gonna face Caedus alone it should be Kun cause he is less vulnerable to Caedus' melee combat capabilities compared to Revan.

So as I said before,

Satele+Kun vs Caedus

Revan vs Starkiller

HoT vs Malgus would be a better matchup.

Team2...

Learn English already

Originally posted by AncientPower
Satele BM amps her team, game over.
Caedus battle-meld his team. Game Over.

Ah I forgot he can do that

So did I, yeah Caedus carries here.

Team 2