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Who wins?

Team 2.

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How does team 2 beat team 1?

Blue Marvel lacks TP resistance fts and if anyone can counter Spectrum it is Iceman. She is a being made of energy, Iceman can freeze anything to temperatures below 0. Nate and Iceman are the kryptonite here.

Originally posted by carver9
Blue Marvel lacks TP resistance fts and if anyone can counter Spectrum it is Iceman. She is a being made of energy, Iceman can freeze anything to temperatures below 0. Nate and Iceman are the kryptonite here. it's not like Adam has resisted tp all the way back in the seventies and then proceeded to resist planetary level tp that or anything.

How does adam put nate down?

Originally posted by Reflassshh
How does adam put nate down? i'm not saying that he does, but to disregard his tp resistance feats is a little foolish.

Originally posted by deathslash
i'm not saying that he does, but to disregard his tp resistance feats is a little foolish.

That's reasonable.

Team 1 takes this all day every day. Since when does cold affect light?

Cold affects energy. Team 2 wins this.

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Physical attacks mean nothing to him.

Originally posted by deathslash
it's not like Adam has resisted tp all the way back in the seventies and then proceeded to resist planetary level tp that or anything.

I know one of his TP resistance ft but when did he resist planetary TP?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cold affects energy. Team 2 wins this.

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Physical attacks mean nothing to him.

What do you mean? When does the lack of heat affect light? I know that it can affect a light bulb, or routing hardware; such as wires, and cabling, but how does it affect a being in light form? Also when has Iceman ever been able to defeat a character capable of holding his own against the Sentry? You're also comparing Ares with Adam, when Sentry was able to rip Ares in two.

Originally posted by Stoic
What do you mean? When does the lack of heat affect light? I know that it can affect a light bulb, or routing hardware; such as wires, and cabling, but how does it affect a being in light form? Also when has Iceman ever been able to defeat a character capable of holding his own against the Sentry? You're also comparing Ares with Adam, when Sentry was able to rip Ares in two.

Absolute Zero (which is what Iceman goes to). That is when energy is at its lowest state. It would be sucking the energy out of Spectrum *she's not just light, also heat).

Erm, no, I'm not comparing Ares with Adam. I'm comparing the fact that physical attacks do not affect Nate at all - you need something like a God, who exists on every plane of reality, to affect him.

Shaman can warp space and time, two physical attackers will be pretty useless.

Iceman has frozen energy before - specifically against the Stranger who was using energy beams emanating from his eyes. He's also been able to control chemical reactions that involve heat change in other people (sunfire and cannonball specifically, not allowing them to use their powers) so he's not just freezing water.

Too bad all my Iceman scans are now dead and I don't have access to them anymore.

How much below 0 can you get.

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Iceman freeze Strangers eye beams.

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It's to the point that he could probably turn her powers off.

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Like I've said, he IS her kryptonite. He would outright stomp her unless he is fighting dumb. Him knowing she is made of energy, can't see that happening.

Originally posted by carver9
How much below 0 can you get.

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Iceman freeze Strangers eye beams.

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It's to the point that he could probably turn her powers off.

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Like I've said, he IS her kryptonite. He would outright stomp her unless he is fighting dumb. Him knowing she is made of energy, can't see that happening.

But what about how fast she can move? Does she sit there waiting for him to begin using his powers? It would be up to here whether or not she even allows him to do anything. She moves at the speed of light, thus she could end the confrontation before it even begins. Isn't this correct? I don't know too much about Nate, but is he invincible? Can no one defeat him?

Adam can also amp Spectrum as well.

Nate's pretty much invincible, yes.

We're back to the 'kills him before he can think' arguments?

When was someone going to mention that Nate lost a great deal of his power?

This is Shaman Nate, though.

Originally posted by Stoic
But what about how fast she can move? Does she sit there waiting for him to begin using his powers? It would be up to here whether or not she even allows him to do anything. She moves at the speed of light, thus she could end the confrontation before it even begins. Isn't this correct? I don't know too much about Nate, but is he invincible? Can no one defeat him?

She would have to take Bobby out and I don't think she has the fire power to do that.

Originally posted by KingD19
Adam can also amp Spectrum as well.

When will he have the time to do this?

Originally posted by carver9
When will he have the time to do this?

In the few seconds after the fight starts. It only takes a second or two to do it.

Originally posted by carver9
When will he have the time to do this?

When will he have the time to even lift his arms? Spectrum is one of the fastest being in the universe. Not only can she become light, she can shift from wavelength to wavelength, even turn into neutrinos and fly through objects. What happens if she flies into Bob's body, and switches to electricity? You brought up a really good point, what time does Bobby have to do anything if she uses her speed, which is a power that she can use, and has used very often.

A second or two?

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Time means NOTHING to Nate....

Originally posted by Reflassshh
We're back to the 'kills him before he can think' arguments?

Why kill? Why no just shut down their brains?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is Shaman Nate, though.

And currently, didn't Shaman Nate lose a crap ton of power?

Interesting fight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why kill? Why no just shut down their brains?
How are you going to shut down Iceman's brain? He doesn't have one.

Originally posted by Stoic
And currently, didn't Shaman Nate lose a crap ton of power?

Then he wouldn't be Shaman to the Mutant Tribe - I thought he was Shaman when he had the power...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then he wouldn't be Shaman to the Mutant Tribe - I thought he was Shaman when he had the power...

You also said that he's invincible. We should find out who can actually defeat this character at the height of his power. His durability seems suspect.

Originally posted by KingD19
In the few seconds after the fight starts. It only takes a second or two to do it.

And it will take less than that for Xman to mind rape him.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Interesting fight.


How are you going to shut down Iceman's brain? He doesn't have one.

Bobby better not ever get KO'd if that's the case.

Originally posted by Stoic
You also said that he's invincible. We should find out who can actually defeat this character at the height of his power. His durability seems suspect.

Mimic copied him, and drained his powers.

So you need his equal.

Originally posted by Stoic
Bobby better not ever get KO'd if that's the case.

Sure he can.

He just doesn't have a brain in the sense that we do.

Originally posted by Stoic
When will he have the time to even lift his arms? Spectrum is one of the fastest being in the universe. Not only can she become light, she can shift from wavelength to wavelength, even turn into neutrinos and fly through objects. What happens if she flies into Bob's body, and switches to electricity? You brought up a really good point, what time does Bobby have to do anything if she uses her speed, which is a power that she can use, and has used very often.

And what is she going to do to Bobby with all of this free time?

Originally posted by carver9
And what is she going to do to Bobby with all of this free time?

Use multiple powers on him? Shit if I know, I just never saw either of the mutants as being completely invincible.

Originally posted by Stoic
Use multiple powers on him? Shit if I know, I just never saw either of the mutants as being completely invincible.

Let's say she shatter him into millions of pieces which would be the worst thing she would want to do. Here Iceman doesn't even have a body...he reforms himself from the moisture from her body...lol.

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This could be dangerous.

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Just thought about it. I bet you are saying 'Monica doesn't have moisture in her body. What if she shatters him then'. Will not do anything. As long as there is moisture in the air, Bobby will be ok. Here, Bobby is attacking Mystique in moisture form.

http://i.imgur.com/dw7arWs.jpg

There are other scans with him being shattered but I think you get the point.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Shaman can warp space and time, two physical attackers will be pretty useless.
don't forget reality too, bu he hasn't used it as much (new mutants 25 prior nerfed)