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Lizard from ASM vs Xeno queen from avp.

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The lizard becomes part of the hive.

A lizard alien hybrid, **** that'd be deadly

Queen.

With his regen and mobility I was thinking he'd be able to maybe be all over the Queen like a regenerative spider monkey.

Lizard wins.

Lizard should be able to rip the Queen apart like tissue. The only question is whether he can avoid the acid blood and if not, whether he can heal from it. Either way, he is way too strong, fast, and agile for the Queen to attack.

Up in the air on this one

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lizard should be able to rip the Queen apart like tissue. The only question is whether he can avoid the acid blood and if not, whether he can heal from it. Either way, he is way too strong, fast, and agile for the Queen to attack.

The Queen isn't exactly slow or weak. Remember the fight from AvP where she dominated the Predator?

The Lizard's natural weapons work against him here, every time he claws or bites the Queen he's going to get sprayd with acid.

Would the acid put him down long enough before his regen kicked in though. I think he could win.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Would the acid put him down long enough before his regen kicked in though. I think he could win.

It probably could, but it doesn't need to. It's just has to incapacitate him for a few seconds, then the Queen will rip him to shreds.

Acid directly to the face didn't melt dreadlockboy's mug off in Alien Resurrection, I doubt it's going to take out the Lizard before he rips the Queens face off with a single claw-swipe

His regen is greater than Wolverine's, growing entire body parts; including bones, in seconds

Originally posted by Robtard
Acid directly to the face didn't melt dreadlockboy's mug off in Alien Resurrection, I doubt it's going to take out the Lizard before he rips the Queens face off with a single claw-swipe

His regen is greater than Wolverine's, growing entire body parts; including bones, in seconds

Good point. That specific incident might have lower end showing for that acid blood though. I do think lizard could tear up an alien and maybe that Queen. Hell, he could take on the ripley/alien hybrid imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
Acid directly to the face didn't melt dreadlockboy's mug off in Alien Resurrection, I doubt it's going to take out the Lizard before he rips the Queens face off with a single claw-swipe

His regen is greater than Wolverine's, growing entire body parts; including bones, in seconds

Originally posted by Robtard
Acid directly to the face didn't melt dreadlockboy's mug off in Alien Resurrection, I doubt it's going to take out the Lizard before he rips the Queens face off with a single claw-swipe

His regen is greater than Wolverine's, growing entire body parts; including bones, in seconds

PIS. Alien acid eats through multiple levels of starship, yet it can't melt a human's face? The Queen is >>> Predators, she would manhandle the Lizard if he goes toe to toe with her.

Originally posted by Psychotron
PIS. Alien acid eats through multiple levels of starship, yet it can't melt a human's face? The Queen is >>> Predators, she would manhandle the Lizard if he goes toe to toe with her.

It seems to be weaker on flesh than metal and there's multiple showings of this. Dude in the wheel chair got some on his leg and ear, burned him sure, but he was okay . Hick's got sprayed, he was hurt but survived.

Point is, with the Lizard's regen, he's going to be able to cope with some blood-splash, as long and he doesn't completely dose himself in it.

Originally posted by Robtard
It seems to be weaker on flesh than metal and there's multiple showings of this. Dude in the wheel chair got some on his leg and ear, burned him sure, but he was okay . Hick's got sprayed, he was hurt but survived.

Point is, with the Lizard's regen, he's going to be able to cope with some blood-splash, as long and he doesn't completely dose himself in it.


Shit. Nice. Forgot about those instances.

Originally posted by Robtard
It seems to be weaker on flesh than metal and there's multiple showings of this. Dude in the wheel chair got some on his leg and ear, burned him sure, but he was okay . Hick's got sprayed, he was hurt but survived.

Point is, with the Lizard's regen, he's going to be able to cope with some blood-splash, as long and he doesn't completely dose himself in it.

That just doesn't make any sense. Either way, if Lizard bites and claws the queen he will be hit by the acid, and it will incapacitate him at least long enough for her to grab him, then it's over.

Queen can impale / slice him in half with her tail.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That just doesn't make any sense. Either way, if Lizard bites and claws the queen he will be hit by the acid, and it will incapacitate him at least long enough for her to grab him, then it's over.

It makes a little sense. Acid just reacts with lots of things and deconstructs molecular structures. The certain acid that Aliens produce must be more reactive with metals than non-metals.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
It makes a little sense. Acid just reacts with lots of things and deconstructs molecular structures. The certain acid that Aliens produce must be more reactive with metals than non-metals.

Which makes no sense because it's purpose is to ward off predators, not robots.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Which makes no sense because it's purpose is to ward off predators, not robots. Why wouldn't it make sense?

Acid would basically destroy the Predator's weapons and hurt them, thus, warding them off.

Anyway, who cares if it doesn't make sense, it is what it is.

Btw, Lizard rapes.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why wouldn't it make sense?

Acid would basically destroy the Predator's weapons and hurt them, thus, warding them off.

Anyway, who cares if it doesn't make sense, it is what it is.

See, anyone someone would think I mean Yautja when I was talking about predators in general.

Originally posted by Mindset
Btw, Lizard rapes.

And that's the second time you're wrong.

Originally posted by Psychotron
See, anyone someone would think I mean Yautja when I was talking about predators in general.



And that's the second time you're wrong. I don't know what you're trying to say in your first sentence.

Lizard wins, deal with it.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't know what you're trying to say in your first sentence.

Lizard wins, deal with it.

No.

Lizard has Spiderman stats plus healing. It's overkill

Originally posted by juggerman
Lizard has Spiderman stats plus healing. It's overkill

Considering the Queen is much larger and >>> Predators I'd say it's not. And like I said before, the Queen's acid blood is perfect against Lizard.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Considering the Queen is much larger and >>> Predators I'd say it's not. And like I said before, the Queen's acid blood is perfect against Lizard.

It being much larger does not mean it is as strong as Lizard or Spiderman. The healing is tailor made for close combat with a Xeno.

Lizard is too fast, too strong, and with the healing factor, too durable.

You two should rewatch AvP, I know it's shit, but the final fight might enlighten you.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You two should rewatch AvP, I know it's shit, but the final fight might enlighten you. I've seen it.

Lizard is way too fast and agile to take any significant damage.

Plus anything that could actually hurt him would heal in seconds.

Lizard wins, I'm sorry for your loss.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You two should rewatch AvP, I know it's shit, but the final fight might enlighten you.

Yeah, she's too slow to even tag the Lizard

Depending on how the Lizard's healing factor would react to the Queen's molecular acid blood, I say the Lizard has the winning advantage.

You people, I swear sometimes you watch films while a bull harbor seal is face-f**king you. Anyhow.

There's nothing to suggest that the Lizard would heal differently (ie slower) to Xeno acid than any other wound/damage. He's been stabbed, shot, burned, frozen and had body parts completely blasted off. All healed extremely quick.

The only time he took longer than a few seconds to heal was after being shot repeatedly in the head/brain.

Lizard ftw.

Originally posted by Robtard
You people, I swear sometimes you watch films while a bull harbor seal is face-f**king you. Anyhow.

There's nothing to suggest that the Lizard would heal differently (ie slower) to Xeno acid than any other wound/damage. He's been stabbed, shot, burned, frozen and had body parts completely blasted off. All healed extremely quick.

The only time he took longer than a few seconds to heal was after being shot repeatedly in the head/brain. But I said he will heal in seconds and I watched both movies while a bull harbor seal was face phucking me.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah, she's too slow to even tag the Lizard

Originally posted by Mindset
I've seen it.

Lizard is way too fast and agile to take any significant damage.

Plus anything that could actually hurt him would heal in seconds.

Lizard wins, I'm sorry for your loss.

The Lizard attacks the Queen, slashes some part of her, get an acid spray right in face, is stunned, gets grabbed by the Queen and torn to shreds.

gg, laides

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Originally posted by Psychotron
Which makes no sense because it's purpose is to ward off predators, not robots.

Alien is the "Perfect Organism". It's design is made to have no predators. So maybe melting metal is a way for aliens to reach PREY hiding behind metal constructs.

By the way. Alien Queen wins.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The Lizard attacks the Queen, slashes some part of her, get an acid spray right in face, is stunned, gets grabbed by the Queen and torn to shreds.

If he gets grabbed he can easily overpower her and escape. Now he's fully aware of the acid and doesn't let it slow him down

There is no way in hell the Queen is overpowering a guy who was overpowering a guy who can casually catch a falling car.

Exactly

Lizard stomps. Acid will only hurt for a second. The guy got hit fingers shot off and it healed back right then so something burning him shouldn't do a thing. Then he was fast enough to keep up with Spiderman.

Originally posted by Mindset
But I said he will heal in seconds and I watched both movies while a bull harbor seal was face phucking me.

You're elite CIA training allows you to do this, the commoner can't

Originally posted by carver9
Lizard stomps. Acid will only hurt for a second. The guy got hit fingers shot off and it healed back right then so something burning him shouldn't do a thing. Then he was fast enough to keep up with Spiderman.

Originally posted by Lestov16
There is no way in hell the Queen is overpowering a guy who was overpowering a guy who can casually catch a falling car.

Originally posted by juggerman
If he gets grabbed he can easily overpower her and escape. Now he's fully aware of the acid and doesn't let it slow him down

The Queen shits on Predators and can go toe to toe with a power-loader but the Lizard will overpower her, right...

Originally posted by Psychotron
The Queen shits on Predators and can go toe to toe with a power-loader but the Lizard will overpower her, right...

Spiderman shits on Predators too. And the power loader wasn't overly impressive. Speed is what you need

Originally posted by juggerman
Spiderman shits on Predators too. And the power loader wasn't overly impressive. Speed is what you need

Garfield Spider-man isn't that much stronger than Predators, Wolf is probably stronger than him.

Lizard has the speed edge but the Queen's natural defenses even things out.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The Queen shits on Predators and can go toe to toe with a power-loader but the Lizard will overpower her, right...

You are telling me Ripley in a power loader is more impressive than fighting Spiderman? Right....

Originally posted by Psychotron
Garfield Spider-man isn't that much stronger than Predators, Wolf is probably stronger than him.

Lizard has the speed edge but the Queen's natural defenses even things out.

Wolf can catch flying cars and stop buses?

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Originally posted by Psychotron
Garfield Spider-man isn't that much stronger than Predators, Wolf is probably stronger than him.

Originally posted by Lestov16
You are telling me Ripley in a power loader is more impressive than fighting Spiderman? Right....

Talking about pure strength.

Originally posted by juggerman


Originally posted by Robtard
Wolf can catch flying cars and stop buses?


Wolf has overpowered two full grown Aliens, the same beings that can rip apart metal, dodge bullets and tank molten metal. It's much more impressive than lifting a car.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Talking about pure strength.


Wolf has overpowered two full grown Aliens, the same beings that can rip apart metal, dodge bullets and tank molten metal. It's much more impressive than lifting a car.


The Lizard can easily rip apart metal and has matched speed with a guy who can easily dodge bullets and lightning

But I don't recall Wolf doing anything that puts him on Spider-Man level, so I really don't know the basis of your claim there

Originally posted by Psychotron
Wolf has overpowered two full grown Aliens, the same beings that can rip apart metal, dodge bullets and tank molten metal. It's much more impressive than lifting a car.

He didn't lift it, he caught it with ease. A car flipping thru the air and he caught it like you would catch a football. The Wolf would have been flattened. Hell the Queen would have been injured by that

Originally posted by juggerman
He didn't lift it, he caught it with ease. A car flipping thru the air and he caught it like you would catch a football. The Wolf would have been flattened. Hell the Queen would have been injured by that

Originally posted by Robtard
The Lizard can easily rip apart metal and has matched speed with a guy who can easily dodge bullets and lightning

But I don't recall Wolf doing anything that puts him on Spider-Man level, so I really don't know the basis of your claim there

Oh, ok. Go ahead, ignore his showings. This is quan-level of debating.

Originally posted by Robtard
Acid directly to the face didn't melt dreadlockboy's mug off in Alien Resurrection, I doubt it's going to take out the Lizard before he rips the Queens face off with a single claw-swipe

His regen is greater than Wolverine's, growing entire body parts; including bones, in seconds

Should we also point on the damage acid has done to greater things than Dreadlock boy as well?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Oh, ok. Go ahead, ignore his showings. This is quan-level of debating.

What have I ignored? You've yet to post a feat that puts Wolf in the Spider-Man range of strength

The alien queen survived a huge ass explosion caused from a predators bomb. Anda same said queen that was injured from past invents was able still able to resist getting pulled off a cliff from whatever the hell pulled her down.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Should we also point on the damage acid has done to greater things than Dreadlock boy as well?

I already covered it

Originally posted by Psychotron
Garfield Spider-man isn't that much stronger than Predators, Wolf is probably stronger than him.

Lizard has the speed edge but the Queen's natural defenses even things out. Lol.

Spiderman is easily stronger than any Predator ever shown.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Oh, ok. Go ahead, ignore his showings. This is quan-level of debating.

What did he do that puts him on Spiderman's level?

Originally posted by juggerman
What did he do that puts him on Spiderman's level? Casually overpowering two Aliens and going toe to toe with the PredAlien Queen.

Originally posted by Mindset
Lol.

Spiderman is easily stronger than any Predator ever shown.

Garfield Spidey is shit, all he has is lifting a car.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Casually overpowering two Aliens and going toe to toe with the PredAlien Queen.

Overpowering beings inferior to Spiderman doesn't put him on Spiderman's level

Originally posted by Psychotron
Garfield Spidey is shit, all he has is lifting a car.

Catching, not lifting. Now who's ignoring feats?

Originally posted by juggerman
Overpowering beings inferior to Spiderman doesn't put him on Spiderman's level



Catching, not lifting. Now who's ignoring feats?

Aliens aren't that far bellow Spider-man and there were 2 of them.

Okay, he caught it. Still nothing that puts him vastly above Wolf.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Aliens aren't that far bellow Spider-man and there were 2 of them.

Okay, he caught it. Still nothing that puts him vastly above Wolf.

Yes, they are.

That does.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yes, they are.

That does.

Comparable speed, decent strength, vastly superior durability, a bunch of natural weapons, and great natural defenses. Aliens are criminally underrated.

Except it doesn't.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Comparable speed,

OH MY GOD NO!

Originally posted by Psychotron
decent strength,

Not near the same tier

Originally posted by Psychotron
vastly superior durability,

Nope. Man was basically taking lightning bolts to the face

Originally posted by Psychotron
a bunch of natural weapons,

None that really matter against Spiderman

Originally posted by Psychotron
and great natural defenses. Aliens are criminally underrated.

I agree they are underrated. But you are just wanking now

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except it doesn't.

Oh but it does

Originally posted by juggerman
OH MY GOD NO!



Not near the same tier


Nope. Man was basically taking lightning bolts to the face



None that really matter against Spiderman



I agree they are underrated. But you are just wanking now



Oh but it does

Confirmed for ignorant. Aliens have bullet dodging feats.

They're not as strong as Spider-man, but they have been shown to rip apart solid metal. Even clone Ripley was noticeably superhuman with just a hint of Alien DNA and she was no match for a real Alien.

And yet he is still vulnerable to gunfire, while Aliens have been shown to be semi-resistant to small arms fire. The one from Alien 3 was submerged in molten metal and survived.

Claws and teeth don't matter to Spider-man? Lel, tell that to the Lizard.

The only wanking here is the Lizard wanking.

Nope.

Double post.

They dodged some laser fire in 'Alien: Resurrection' and that laser fire was noticeably slower than bullets

Support for this: In 'Aliens' bullets were tearing them apart; there was no dodging

Spider-Man dodged lightning multiple times and bullets

Lasers are slower than bullets now? Lol.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lasers are slower than bullets now? Lol.

Watch the scene, they were slower than Star Wars blaster fire, it was silly

Originally posted by Robtard
Watch the scene, they were slower than Star Wars blaster fire, it was silly

You can't base their speed on visual effects. Going by that logic the electric bolts Electro was tossing at Spider-man were slower than real lightning as well.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Confirmed for ignorant. Aliens have bullet dodging feats.

And yet he is still vulnerable to gunfire, while Aliens have been shown to be semi-resistant to small arms fire. The one from Alien 3 was submerged in molten metal and survived.

Claws and teeth don't matter to Spider-man? Lel, tell that to the Lizard.

The only wanking here is the Lizard wanking.

Nope.

Aim dodging, not bullet timing like SM. Batman also has "bullet dodging feats". Rewatch AVP. See how many Xenos are takin out by slow ass plasma casters.

So are the Xenos. And again lemme know when they take about a million volts and keep coming back for more. Might i also point out he covered Gwen's body with his to protect her from a grenade and suffered zero damage?

They don't matter against creatures that are far below his strength and speed. Lizard is well above them

Nope

Yup

Originally posted by juggerman
Aim dodging, not bullet timing like SM. Batman also has "bullet dodging feats". Rewatch AVP. See how many Xenos are takin out by slow ass plasma casters.

So are the Xenos. And again lemme know when they take about a million volts and keep coming back for more. Might i also point out he covered Gwen's body with his to protect her from a grenade and suffered zero damage?

They don't matter against creatures that are far below his strength and speed. Lizard is well above them

Nope

Yup

You could say Spider-man is aim dodging too, especially with his Spider-sense.

Aliens are semi-bullet resistant. I don't remember when that happened.

Far bellow? Not at all. Are you saying Aliens can't hurt Spider-man? Because that is retarded.

Yes, it is. The Spider-man that beat Lizard is not nearly that good. Tobey was the real deal.

Nope.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You could say Spider-man is aim dodging too, especially with his Spider-sense.

Aliens are semi-bullet resistant. I don't remember when that happened.

Far bellow? Not at all. Are you saying Aliens can't hurt Spider-man? Because that is retarded.

Yes, it is. The Spider-man that beat Lizard is not nearly that good. Tobey was the real deal.

Nope.

Except we see him react after bullets are fired in slow motion so we can clearly see his speed in comparison to the bullets

ASM2 right before Gwen died

Not at all but they are not fast enough to tag him nor strong enough to break out of his webs that catch falling vehicles with utter ease.

Tobey was better stat wise but this guy is still in another league

Yup

So we are putting Predators above Spiderman now? WTF?

Originally posted by Psychotron
You can't base their speed on visual effects.

Going by that logic the electric bolts Electro was tossing at Spider-man were slower than real lightning as well.

So basically you're just going to ignore what was on screen cos it doesn't fit your needs?

IIRC, Spider-Man's lightning dodge scenes were slowed down for the audience, to further illustrate to us the speed he works at

Originally posted by juggerman
Except we see him react after bullets are fired in slow motion so we can clearly see his speed in comparison to the bullets

ASM2 right before Gwen died

Not at all but they are not fast enough to tag him nor strong enough to break out of his webs that catch falling vehicles with utter ease.

Tobey was better stat wise but this guy is still in another league

Yup

And the Alien reacts to the lasers. Lasers >>>> bullets btw.

Don't remember, but I'll take your word for it. The molten lead feat is still better.

So, creatures that dodge lasers and rip break steel aren't a threat to Spider-man now? And you say there's no Lizard wanking.

Originally posted by Robtard
So basically you're just going to ignore what was on screen cos it doesn't fit your needs?

IIRC, Spider-Man's lightning dodge scenes were slowed down for the audience, to further illustrate to us the speed he works at

Yeah, ok. Lasers move at rock throwing speed. Very logical, Rob.

And it still wouldn't be as fast as the real deal.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So we are putting Predators above Spiderman now? WTF?

Nah, just this Predator. To give you a comparison, the Predators from AvP could crush concrete casually but Aliens could go toe toe with them. This nigga just manhandles them with one hand.

The molten lead feat was impressive. But in a larger sample size Aliens have been killed by far less.

Like what? Predator weapons? Futuristic assault rifles with explosive tipped ammunition?

Being dipped in molten metal is more impressive than those. Also, that Predator plasma blast only scorched Arnold while blasting clean through Ventura.

Originally posted by Psychotron

Nah, just this Predator. To give you a comparison, the Predators from AvP could crush concrete casually but Aliens could go toe toe with them. This nigga just manhandles them with one hand.

People seem to forget the ones from the first Avp movie were noobs, So of course the one from Requiem is gonna be better them.

Originally posted by Kazenji
People seem to forget the ones from the first Avp movie were noobs, So of course the one from Requiem is gonna be better them.

Yeah, and they were still very strong.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Being dipped in molten metal is more impressive than those. Also, that Predator plasma blast only scorched Arnold while blasting clean through Ventura.

That's just cause Arnold's Arnold.

Originally posted by Psychotron
And the Alien reacts to the lasers. Lasers >>>> bullets btw.

Don't remember, but I'll take your word for it. The molten lead feat is still better.

So, creatures that dodge lasers and rip break steel aren't a threat to Spider-man now? And you say there's no Lizard wanking.


They still get tagged by plasma casters. Plasma casters<<<<<<<<<<bullets btw

Agreed but they get put down by far less as well

Nope. He is too fast and they have no answer for his webbing and strength either

Originally posted by juggerman
They still get tagged by plasma casters. Plasma casters<<<<<<<<<<bullets btw

Agreed but they get put down by far less as well

Nope. He is too fast and they have no answer for his webbing and strength either

Lol, bullets are not >>>> plasma casters. Besides some of them have dodged them.

True, though they definitely have superhuman durability.

Webbing gets shredded by their claws. His strength isn't that impressive IMO.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, ok. Lasers move at rock throwing speed. Very logical, Rob.

And it still wouldn't be as fast as the real deal.



It's a fictional weapon, so shots fired can travel as fast or as slow as the creators want

Watch the scene then, they're much slower than bullets, which Xenos weren't dodging in Aliens

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a fictional weapon, so shots fired can travel as fast or as slow as the creators want

Watch the scene then, they're much slower than bullets, which Xenos weren't dodging in Aliens

And do really you think the creators wanted the lasers to move at slow speeds?

Originally posted by Psychotron
And do really you think the creators wanted the lasers to move at slow speeds?

Do you think they couldn't have turned up the speed if they wanted faster moving blast? It was 1997 SFX, not 1937

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you think they couldn't have turned up the speed if they wanted faster moving blast? It was 1997 SFX, not 1937

Then the audience wouldn't understand wtf is going on because they can't them.

No, there are faster laser in films and the audience can see them just fine. The future scenes from Terminator is a good example and that came out 13 years prior

So I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept that the Xenos can dodged bullets or small objects traveling at bullet speeds

Originally posted by Lestov16
There is no way in hell the Queen is overpowering a guy who was overpowering a guy who can casually catch a falling car. Nice.

Lizard is too fast and powerful for the Queen.

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Can't*

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lol, bullets are not >>>> plasma casters. Besides some of them have dodged them.

True, though they definitely have superhuman durability.

Webbing gets shredded by their claws. His strength isn't that impressive IMO.

Bullets are most certainly faster than plasma casters.

They do tho not enough to handle Spiderman level strength.

Nope. Spiderman could easily encase them in webbing like he did to Lizard where their claws would be of no use. Only difference is they wouldn't have the strength needed to break free

Originally posted by juggerman
Bullets are most certainly faster than plasma casters.

They do tho not enough to handle Spiderman level strength.

Nope. Spiderman could easily encase them in webbing like he did to Lizard where their claws would be of no use. Only difference is they wouldn't have the strength needed to break free

Faster, but far less powerful.

They have greater durability than Lizard, they could handle his strength.

Lol, claws are perfect for cutting through webbing.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Faster, but far less powerful.

They have greater durability than Lizard, they could handle his strength.

Lol, claws are perfect for cutting through webbing.

Faster was the only point. They cannot dodge bullets like Spidey

He cand handle it due to healing. they have no such luck

Missed the point

Originally posted by juggerman
Faster was the only point. They cannot dodge bullets like Spidey

He cand handle it due to healing. they have no such luck

Missed the point

They have dodged lasers, though.

Not the point. And acid blood would f*ck up Spider-man.

I haven't missed your point, I just don't think he can web them up so easily.

Anyway, I'm not saying Spider-man can't beat an Alien, just that he's not gonna manhandle them.

Originally posted by Psychotron
They have dodged lasers, though.

Not the point. And acid blood would f*ck up Spider-man.

I haven't missed your point, I just don't think he can web them up so easily.

Anyway, I'm not saying Spider-man can't beat an Alien, just that he's not gonna manhandle them.

Lasers that moved visably slower than bullets

Only if he got close enought and allowed himself to get sprayed. If he can dodge bullets, he can dodge acid spray. But not the Lizard wouldn't need to dodge it.

If he can web up Lizard, not reason he couldn't do the same to Xenos

Oh but he would

If SM knew thr abilities of xenos I think he could take out the queen, depending on the environment. For example, in the desert he'd likely be toast. In any other place where he can utilize his maneuverability he'd win after awhile. But, this is about Lizard. Lizard can afford to be tagged by the xeno. Spidey probably can't.

Originally posted by juggerman
Lasers that moved visably slower than bullets

Only if he got close enought and allowed himself to get sprayed. If he can dodge bullets, he can dodge acid spray. But not the Lizard wouldn't need to dodge it.

If he can web up Lizard, not reason he couldn't do the same to Xenos

Oh but he would

Don't jump on that band waggon, it's dumb.

H2H is Spider-man's only way of taking out an Alien, and if he is that close an acid blast could catch him off guard. The Lizard would heal from it, but would get stunned for a moment giving the Queen enough time to shred him.

He did that once in the movie, and the Alien's claws could prevent it.

Tobey might, Garfield can't.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Don't jump on that band waggon, it's dumb.

H2H is Spider-man's only way of taking out an Alien, and if he is that close an acid blast could catch him off guard. The Lizard would heal from it, but would get stunned for a moment giving the Queen enough time to shred him.

He did that once in the movie, and the Alien's claws could prevent it.

Tobey might, Garfield can't.

Screen feats are key

Nope. He could immoblize them with webbing and swing them around slamming them into walls until they were mush. An acid splash would not catch him off guard in a CIS free setting. Lizard would heal from any and all damage done to him and proceed to bolo stomp the queen

And the Xeno survived molten metal once yet it's your go to feat. Spidey did it and it's a viable tactic.

Garfield stomps too.

Originally posted by juggerman
Screen feats are key

Nope. He could immoblize them with webbing and swing them around slamming them into walls until they were mush. An acid splash would not catch him off guard in a CIS free setting. Lizard would heal from any and all damage done to him and proceed to bolo stomp the queen

And the Xeno survived molten metal once yet it's your go to feat. Spidey did it and it's a viable tactic.

Garfield stomps too.

That's not a feat, it's a visual representation.

That's ridiculously OOC for Spider-man. And if a random bullet can catch him off guard then so can the acid blood.

Or, you know, the Lizard gets stunned by acid and the Queen impales him with her tail and rips him in half.

My point was that it's not a usual tactic for Spider-man.

Garfield is shit.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That's not a feat, it's a visual representation.

That's ridiculously OOC for Spider-man. And if a random bullet can catch him off guard then so can the acid blood.

Or, you know, the Lizard gets stunned by acid and the Queen impales him with her tail and rips him in half.

My point was that it's not a usual tactic for Spider-man.

Garfield is shit.

At most they can aim dodge.

If CIS is on I agree.

Why do you assume the acid will stun him?

But it's a viable one

Why do you hate on the Field?

Originally posted by juggerman
At most they can aim dodge.

If CIS is on I agree.

Why do you assume the acid will stun him?

But it's a viable one

Why do you hate on the Field?

It was more than that.

Isn't CIS on by default?

Why wouldn't it? He'll heal, but if it splashes on his face, for example, it would disable him for a bit.

I can't Spider-man crawling all over the Alien like he did the Lizard.

He was in the worst Spider-man movies, he's a dyel twink, and his Peter Parker is unlikeable.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It was more than that.

Isn't CIS on by default?

Why wouldn't it? He'll heal, but if it splashes on his face, for example, it would disable him for a bit.

I can't Spider-man crawling all over the Alien like he did the Lizard.

He was in the worst Spider-man movies, he's a dyel twink, and his Peter Parker is unlikeable.

Not really

I thought not but bullets are faster and harder to avoid anyway. He'd dodge acid

If.

Maybe not but he could still wrap it up

The first one wasn't so bad.

Originally posted by juggerman
Not really

I thought not but bullets are faster and harder to avoid anyway. He'd dodge acid

If.

Maybe not but he could still wrap it up

The first one wasn't so bad.

Yes, really. Stand in front of a gun and try to aim dodge some bullets.

Not when it's 2 feet from him and he doesn't know about it.

When.

It's not gonna be as easy as you make it sound, and Alien acid blood would eat away the webs.

It was a soulless cash-grab.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, really. Stand in front of a gun and try to aim dodge some bullets.

Not when it's 2 feet from him and he doesn't know about it.

When.

It's not gonna be as easy as you make it sound, and Alien acid blood would eat away the webs.

It was a soulless cash-grab.

Normal humans do it all the time. Doesn't make them bullet timers

He basically has precog. He'll "know about it"

Wishful thinking

He wouldn't even need to harm them. Just web them up and leave em. That's a win

It wasn't bad. Now part 2 was horrid

Originally posted by juggerman
Normal humans do it all the time. Doesn't make them bullet timers

He basically has precog. He'll "know about it"

Wishful thinking

He wouldn't even need to harm them. Just web them up and leave em. That's a win

It wasn't bad. Now part 2 was horrid

No, they don't. Not in the way that Alien dodged those lasers, anyway.

Like he "knew" when that cop shot him in the leg?

Why not? Several people have been sprayed in the face and that's when they fight at range, the Lizard likes to go H2H.

Alien blood eats away the webs, juggs.

Nah, the villain, Peter's parents, Uncle Ben's death, Peter himself were all awful. I liked that they used Gwen instead of that cnt MJ, though.

Lizard can easily punch a hole in the the Queen's face. At worst his hand will melt, but it'll regenerate, unlike the Queen's brain.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lizard can easily punch a hole in the the Queen's face. At worst his hand will melt, but it'll regenerate, unlike the Queen's brain.

Yeah. Any damage the queen endures is final and debilitating. For Lizard it's a temporary setback.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, they don't. Not in the way that Alien dodged those lasers, anyway.

Like he "knew" when that cop shot him in the leg?

Why not? Several people have been sprayed in the face and that's when they fight at range, the Lizard likes to go H2H.

Alien blood eats away the webs, juggs.

Nah, the villain, Peter's parents, Uncle Ben's death, Peter himself were all awful. I liked that they used Gwen instead of that cnt MJ, though.

Sure they do. Especially in film

CIS/PIS

Several people don't have the speed and reflexes afforded to Connors

Aliens would need to get cut to bleed Psych. If he webbed them up and left them to rot, how would the blood help?

Agree to disagree

Originally posted by juggerman
Sure they do. Especially in film

CIS/PIS

Several people don't have the speed and reflexes afforded to Connors

Aliens would need to get cut to bleed Psych. If he webbed them up and left them to rot, how would the blood help?

Agree to disagree

Sure, if they have some form of super speed.

Call it what you will, it happened, and it can happen again.

Not like he bothered to dodge, he relies on his hf too much.

Ah, but you forget Aliens can spit acid blood.

Sure, whatever.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Sure, if they have some form of super speed.

Call it what you will, it happened, and it can happen again.

Not like he bothered to dodge, he relies on his hf too much.

Ah, but you forget Aliens can spit acid blood.

Sure, whatever.

Nope

The acid blood doesn't move as fast as bullets so the point is moot.

He has the speed to dodge.

I don't think they can. In fact I'm sure they cannot. See Alien 3. A few Xenos are trapped in a cell and they kill one of their own to use the acid blood to escape. If they could spit it they would have

EDIT: They also attacked the Queen to free her in AVP

I recall a scene from one of the Alien films where a Xeno cut themself just to use their acid blood. I may be wrong though.


EDIT: Yeah, jugs referenced the scene

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope

The acid blood doesn't move as fast as bullets so the point is moot.

He has the speed to dodge.

I don't think they can. In fact I'm sure they cannot. See Alien 3. A few Xenos are trapped in a cell and they kill one of their own to use the acid blood to escape. If they could spit it they would have

EDIT: They also attacked the Queen to free her in AVP

Oh, come on. You really think a powerless human can dodge lasers/bullers/whatever?

It doesn't matter when it's right in his face.

Which he doesn't use. He, like Wolverine, prefers to just tank everything.

You're wrong about two things. First, that's Alien Resurrection, there's only one Alien in 3. And second, that scene does happen, but later an Alien spits acid blood at some of the protags.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Oh, come on. You really think a powerless human can dodge lasers/bullers/whatever?

It doesn't matter when it's right in his face.

Which he doesn't use. He, like Wolverine, prefers to just tank everything.

You're wrong about two things. First, that's Alien Resurrection, there's only one Alien in 3. And second, that scene does happen, but later an Alien spits acid blood at some of the protags.

If they aim dodge like the Xenos? Yes. Like Spiderman? Nope.

Oh but it does. He has both the precog to sense it coming and the speed/agility to dodge it.

And he would tank eveything the Queen did

Right it was Resurrection but the point remains. That one doing it isn't standard and I'd need to see the context of the event. Like maybe it was bleeding in it's mouth or something since they never do it before or after. They seem to contiually need to injure themselves to benefit from the blood

Originally posted by juggerman
If they aim dodge like the Xenos? Yes. Like Spiderman? Nope.

Oh but it does. He has both the precog to sense it coming and the speed/agility to dodge it.

And he would tank eveything the Queen did

Right it was Resurrection but the point remains. That one doing it isn't standard and I'd need to see the context of the event. Like maybe it was bleeding in it's mouth or something since they never do it before or after. They seem to contiually need to injure themselves to benefit from the blood

Oh, ok. Let's do this. I'll get a gun, and you aim dodge. Shouldn't be a problem for you.

Like he dodged that bullet?

He wouldn't tank getting ripped in half or a decap.

It wasn't injured, it was just an ability they had. AvP isn't really canon so the only other time this ability could have been used was in Resurrection again when they busted out of the cell. Maybe the Aliens just wanted more acid than they could spit? Who knows, the point is they can do it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Oh, ok. Let's do this. I'll get a gun, and you aim dodge. Shouldn't be a problem for you.

Like he dodged that bullet?

He wouldn't tank getting ripped in half or a decap.

It wasn't injured, it was just an ability they had. AvP isn't really canon so the only other time this ability could have been used was in Resurrection again when they busted out of the cell. Maybe the Aliens just wanted more acid than they could spit? Who knows, the point is they can do it.

Are you saying people can't?

Didn't know acid blood travelled as fast as bullets now

Dacap maybe not. Half shouldn't be a problem

It was an ability one had. Hardly the standard when no other one did it in 4-6 films and we have more instances where they have to injure to use it. But if you don't wanna include AVP then we can't include that queen's feats either

Originally posted by juggerman
Are you saying people can't?

Didn't know acid blood travelled as fast as bullets now

Dacap maybe not. Half shouldn't be a problem

It was an ability one had. Hardly the standard when no other one did it in 4-6 films and we have more instances where they have to injure to use it. But if you don't wanna include AVP then we can't include that queen's feats either

Yeah, people don't normally dodge bullets fired from 5 feet away irl. Especially while climbing a ladder.

The point is he wasn't even aware that the bullet was coming.

He didn't recover from any damage that bad in the movie.

Just because they didn't use it often doesn't mean they don't have it. And in a forum battle the Aliens would be fighting to the best of their abilities. The Queen still has her Aliens feats. Taking a power loader head on and all that.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, people don't normally dodge bullets fired from 5 feet away irl. Especially while climbing a ladder.

The point is he wasn't even aware that the bullet was coming.

He didn't recover from any damage that bad in the movie.

Just because they didn't use it often doesn't mean they don't have it. And in a forum battle the Aliens would be fighting to the best of their abilities. The Queen still has her Aliens feats. Taking a power loader head on and all that.

Are the Xenos irl? We are talking about movies here and in movies, normal people aim dodge all the time. Hell even irl people do it

CIS/PIS

He recovered limbs easily. Also he was riddled with bullets which would have severly damaged every part of his body and he healed easily. He can come back from being sliced in two

For all we know the only xeno that could do it was the only that did. And the queen has not shown this ability so we can't assume she has it. Also, without AVP the queen is much slower and smaller. That makes it easier for Lizard

Originally posted by juggerman
Are the Xenos irl? We are talking about movies here and in movies, normal people aim dodge all the time. Hell even irl people do it

CIS/PIS

He recovered limbs easily. Also he was riddled with bullets which would have severly damaged every part of his body and he healed easily. He can come back from being sliced in two

For all we know the only xeno that could do it was the only that did. And the queen has not shown this ability so we can't assume she has it. Also, without AVP the queen is much slower and smaller. That makes it easier for Lizard

Okay, provide some example of people dodging gunfire the way that Alien did.

CIS would be in effect here, so...

Recovering a limb is not the same as recovering from a decap.

We have no reason to assume that, it wasn't some special breed or hybrid, it wasn't modified. Maybe, but I'm mostly counting on the Queen's natural defenses and strength.

Lizard can tear the queen apart more easily than she can tear lizard apart.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Okay, provide some example of people dodging gunfire the way that Alien did.

CIS would be in effect here, so...

Recovering a limb is not the same as recovering from a decap.

We have no reason to assume that, it wasn't some special breed or hybrid, it wasn't modified. Maybe, but I'm mostly counting on the Queen's natural defenses and strength.

Provide me a feat of Xenos dodging bullets like Spidey

Can't have it both ways. Either they fight to the very best of their abilities or the suffer from CIS. You seem to want the Xenos to fight at top form but Lizard and Spidey will be fighting poorly

I said he probably wouldn't come back from decap

We have no reason to assume the quenn can do things she hasn't been shown to do just like we can't assume Lizard and come back from having his head removed. It was a different type of Xeno and therefore may be capable of things other types can't do

Lizard could pull the queen's head off. Any acid spray wouldn't matter

Originally posted by juggerman
Provide me a feat of Xenos dodging bullets like Spidey

Can't have it both ways. Either they fight to the very best of their abilities or the suffer from CIS. You seem to want the Xenos to fight at top form but Lizard and Spidey will be fighting poorly

I said he probably wouldn't come back from decap

We have no reason to assume the quenn can do things she hasn't been shown to do just like we can't assume Lizard and come back from having his head removed. It was a different type of Xeno and therefore may be capable of things other types can't do

Lizard could pull the queen's head off. Any acid spray wouldn't matter

I provided you with a feat of Aliens dodging lasers, that's enough to tag Spider-man, who has been tagged by far less.

Fighting to the best of their abilities doesn't mean CIS is off. Spider-man wouldn't kill in a forum battle, Hulk is still retarded, Predators won't use weapons against unarmed humans, etc.

And he won't come back from getting torn in half either.

I didn't say the Queen will spit acid, I was talking about the drones and how they can escape getting webbed up.

The Queen is much bigger and stronger than regular Aliens, she could just as easily rip him apart.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I provided you with a feat of Aliens dodging lasers, that's enough to tag Spider-man, who has been tagged by far less.

Fighting to the best of their abilities doesn't mean CIS is off. Spider-man wouldn't kill in a forum battle, Hulk is still retarded, Predators won't use weapons against unarmed humans, etc.

And he won't come back from getting torn in half either.

I didn't say the Queen will spit acid, I was talking about the drones and how they can escape getting webbed up.

The Queen is much bigger and stronger than regular Aliens, she could just as easily rip him apart.

Slow lasers.

And the best of his ability is to use his precog and dodge everything

Debatable

Still wouldn't work. If he webs them and they can't open their mouth or move their head how exactly will they get out?

Nope

Originally posted by juggerman
Slow lasers.

And the best of his ability is to use his precog and dodge everything

Debatable

Still wouldn't work. If he webs them and they can't open their mouth or move their head how exactly will they get out?

Nope

By that logic Spider-man dodged slow lightning.

He can't dodge everything even at his best. And my point was that Spider-sense isn't 100% full-proof.

He never survived anything that damaging.

In what world does Spider-man web someone up so hard they can't even open their mouths?

If she's strong enough to tussle with a power loader she's strong enough to rip him up. It's not like he was that durable.

Originally posted by Psychotron
By that logic Spider-man dodged slow lightning.

He can't dodge everything even at his best. And my point was that Spider-sense isn't 100% full-proof.

He never survived anything that damaging.

In what world does Spider-man web someone up so hard they can't even open their mouths?

If she's strong enough to tussle with a power loader she's strong enough to rip him up. It's not like he was that durable.

But fast bullets. And that one Xeno is not the average, it's very very high end. They are much slower and we don't just use the highest/lowest feats there are. on average Xenos get ripped apart by object moving much slower than "lasers" while on average Spiderman dodges bullets

Maybe not against things traveling as fast as bullets. But Xenos are much slower.

Pretty close with no issue at all

He actually does it often enough. But answer me this, if their mouth is facing away from their bodies, how can they spit acid on the webbing?

He's too fast. He could pull her head off before she knew what was happening

Originally posted by juggerman
But fast bullets. And that one Xeno is not the average, it's very very high end. They are much slower and we don't just use the highest/lowest feats there are. on average Xenos get ripped apart by object moving much slower than "lasers" while on average Spiderman dodges bullets

Maybe not against things traveling as fast as bullets. But Xenos are much slower.

Pretty close with no issue at all

He actually does it often enough. But answer me this, if their mouth is facing away from their bodies, how can they spit acid on the webbing?

He's too fast. He could pull her head off before she knew what was happening

How fast? If we start questioning laser and lightning speed we might as well question bullet speed.

Nope, lasers > bullets.

Getting shot by cops isn't the same.

By looking down?

Yeah, right. He didn't even blitz any humans, but he's going to blitz an Alien?

Originally posted by Psychotron
How fast? If we start questioning laser and lightning speed we might as well question bullet speed.

Nope, lasers > bullets.

Getting shot by cops isn't the same.

By looking down?

Yeah, right. He didn't even blitz any humans, but he's going to blitz an Alien?

Bullet fast

Bullets>>>> those specific lasers

It is

And if their head is immobilized?

A very slow alien at that

Originally posted by juggerman
Bullet fast

Bullets>>>> those specific lasers

It is

And if their head is immobilized?

A very slow alien at that

Lasers fast too.

Or maybe not.

Getting shot isn't as nearly as bad as getting torn in half.

Webbing is super-elastic.

Blitzing just isn't Lizard's style.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lasers fast too.

Or maybe not.

Getting shot isn't as nearly as bad as getting torn in half.

Webbing is super-elastic.

Blitzing just isn't Lizard's style.

Usually they are. Not those tho

Clearly they are

Didn't say it was.

Not really

It would only seem like bliting cuz the queen is uber slow

Originally posted by Werewolf582
The alien queen survived a huge ass explosion caused from a predators bomb. Anda same said queen that was injured from past invents was able still able to resist getting pulled off a cliff from whatever the hell pulled her down.

Originally posted by juggerman
But fast bullets. And that one Xeno is not the average, it's very very high end. They are much slower and we don't just use the highest/lowest feats there are. on average Xenos get ripped apart by object moving much slower than "lasers" while on average Spiderman dodges bullets

Maybe not against things traveling as fast as bullets. But Xenos are much slower.

Pretty close with no issue at all

He actually does it often enough. But answer me this, if their mouth is facing away from their bodies, how can they spit acid on the webbing?

He's too fast. He could pull her head off before she knew what was happening
But how would Lizard be able to pull her head off within seconds despite her size?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Lizard can tear the queen apart more easily than she can tear lizard apart.
But nothing in the movie has proven that Lizard could easily behead or rip apart opponents that were twice larger/bigger than him in a blink of an eye with merely his barehands if not then why is that so or/& how is it proven?!

Also, speed itself doesn't make the characters strong enough to behead larger opponents in a blink of an eye with merely barehands.

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
But how would Lizard be able to pull her head off within seconds despite her size?

But nothing in the movie has proven that Lizard could easily behead or rip apart opponents that were twice larger/bigger than him in a blink of an eye with merely his barehands if not then why is that so or/& how is it proven?! The Lizard stomped the living **** out of Garfield Spidey (the fastest onscreen Spidey we've had by far) THREE TIMES in one movie. He was also tossing cars around like cardboard boxes and effortlessly overpowering Spidey who's no slouch on strength himself. All that on top of the best (or at least up there) healing factor I've ever seen on screen?

The Lizard stomps. He shreds the Queen with no effort, and within seconds.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The Lizard stomped the living **** out of Garfield Spidey (the fastest onscreen Spidey we've had by far) THREE TIMES in one movie. He was also tossing cars around like cardboard boxes and effortlessly overpowering Spidey who's no slouch on strength himself. All that on top of the best (or at least up there) healing factor I've ever seen on screen?

The Lizard stomps. He shreds the Queen with no effort, and within seconds.
^^^Going w. this.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The Lizard stomped the living **** out of Garfield Spidey (the fastest onscreen Spidey we've had by far) THREE TIMES in one movie. He was also tossing cars around like cardboard boxes and effortlessly overpowering Spidey who's no slouch on strength himself. All that on top of the best (or at least up there) healing factor I've ever seen on screen?

The Lizard stomps. He shreds the Queen with no effort, and within seconds. But how does tossing cars around like cardboard and overpowering Spidey who's no slouch on strength himself 3 times make him capable of shredding or annihilating the Queen effortlessly within seconds (as just merely tossing cars might not necessarily make anyone capable of beheading larger opponents with merely their bare hands!)?!

Why not.

Originally posted by riv6672
Why not. Cause just simply picking up cars and toss them may not always necessarily show/mean that the opponent is capable of ripping off heads of larger creatures &/while Queen Xenomorphs may NOT be as fragile as you guys think!

I would like to see a fight like this. It depends on how much the acid effects lizard

But it might.

Originally posted by riv6672
But it might.
Actually picking up cars to toss them isn't entirely necessarily the same as ripping off larger opponents head cause some other average level superheroes have been shown to have lifted & toss cars while there is no proof that it is and/or whether Lizard could rip off the Queen Xenomorph's head (as the titular Spiderman of the movie with the word, "Amazing" in it's title may not be too much in-terms of Strength like his other live-action adaptations/versions do) so if there is try to show that to me or how is that so?!

And picking up and tossing cars gives more credence to the head ripping off argument than it takes away.