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no prep or anything..

who wins a straight up battle

Originally posted by carver9
what?

Originally posted by Mindset


is this a stomp or something?

Originally posted by SWblayde938
is this a stomp or something? Yes.

Tchalla's been upgraded. But for him to take a majority over Doom is asking a lot.

Even H2H T'challa is in for a fight.

Full power Doom beats him badly though.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Tchalla's been upgraded. But for him to take a majority over Doom is asking a lot. How powerful is he now?

Originally posted by Mindset
How powerful is he now?

Hickman who's writing Panther now has been sort of vague about just how powerful he is. But he has confirmed that his physical attributes are Superhuman. He's stronger and faster than before. He also has force fields, teleportation, invisibility, and energy daggers.

He's powerful enough to beat Black Dwarf, and one shot Black Swan with a speed blitz. I'm thinking Hickman will be more specific about his power levels as he continue's to write him.

I'm pretty Black Panther said on panel that if if fought Black Dwarf any longer he might not have survive?


He never beat Black Dwarf.

Black Panther is a badass, but I say he is around Spider-Man lvl right now. Unless Hickman shows otherwise.

Originally posted by Supermex
I'm pretty Black Panther said on panel that if if fought Black Dwarf any longer he might not have survive?


He never beat Black Dwarf.

Black Panther is a badass, but I say he is around Spider-Man lvl right now. Unless Hickman shows otherwise. does bp now beat doom

Originally posted by Supermex
Black Panther is a badass, but I say he is around Spider-Man lvl right now. Unless Hickman shows otherwise. you mean like when he floored Namor with a normal punch? Or how about when his tech was making Namor scream in agony? Or would you prefer that I bring up how one of Namor 's back hands to the face only made t'challa bleed? He was also taking shots from terrax iirc.

Originally posted by Supermex
I'm pretty Black Panther said on panel that if if fought Black Dwarf any longer he might not have survive?


He never beat Black Dwarf.

Black Panther is a badass, but I say he is around Spider-Man lvl right now. Unless Hickman shows otherwise.

He broke his hand, said that he was fortunate, and any more and he would have lost. It also happened off-panel. But a win is a win.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3279288-new+avengers+v3+009-021.jpg

Thanos's Army is full of amateurs. Leave it to real Conquerors to make Wakanda surrender

Thanos' generals were sh!t.

Doom. No prep, at least it would be over quickly for BP.

is this really a stomp in favor of doom

Originally posted by SWblayde938
is this really a stomp in favor of doom not as much as everyone is making it out to be. T'challa's gotten a serious boost in the last few years, has cloaking teachnology, energy shields, vibranium knives capable of cutting herald level characters, a teleportation device, energy weapons, access to previous Panther's intelligence, magic, etc. But in a straight up fight, Doom wins more times than not.

Originally posted by deathslash
not as much as everyone is making it out to be. T'challa's gotten a serious boost in the last few years, has cloaking teachnology, energy shields, vibranium knives capable of cutting herald level characters, a teleportation device, energy weapons, access to previous Panther's intelligence, magic, etc. But in a straight up fight, Doom wins more times than not. In a straight up fight, Doom wins 10/10. BP is not winning a single fight against Doom or anyone on his level in a random encounter unless plot is involved.

He actually has better odds in a prep fight.

how would t'challa beat doom in a prep fight though

i thought doom is smarter than t'challa

Originally posted by SWblayde938
how would t'challa beat doom in a prep fight though

i thought doom is smarter than t'challa I didn't say he would beat him with prep.

He'd beat him with fists.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He'd beat him with fists. Not unless he somehow switched fists with Danny.

This board is bias against Tchalla though. Especially riv, I don't even know why he bothers to post in threads involving him.

Huh? Black Panther gets much love here. People have given him majorities against most metas like Spiderman, Deathstroke, Midnighter, etc... but when you are facing a guy that can do this...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-17-08-19-07_zps4deb2488.png.html?sort=3&o=11
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http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-17-08-19-35_zps1a048360.png.html?sort=3&o=8
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http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-17-08-19-57_zpscf793b62.png.html?sort=3&o=6
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-17-08-20-01_zpsad882eb9.png.html?sort=3&o=5
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-17-08-20-14_zpsf704d847.png.html?sort=3&o=4
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-17-08-20-24_zps9cb3306e.png.html?sort=3&o=3

"Say my name". This same Cosmic Hulk did this...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/137152/3367366-2148833012-Doomv.jpg

Or this...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28030/559938-472868_1_super.jpg

Hell, do I need to post his recent ft?

Your arguments need to be a Lil more concrete because looking at everything as a whole, Black Panther gets destroyed here. We know BP is good but he can not beat everyone.

I've never seen him get majorities over metas like Spiderman and Midnighter. People completely ignore his recent upgrades on this board also.

What threads are you talking? People have been giving BP a lot of love on here from what I've seen.

I guess I'm comparing the respect he gets here to the respect he gets on comicvine. They seem to be more knowledgeable about the character and what he can and cannot do.

What upgrades?? What KotD upgrades has he had? By that i mean, what has he really done that's miles above his pre upgrade days?

Don't forget, he's supposed to have the power of every BP before him. So I'm after feats 100s of times above what he's done before.

^ Having an upgrade isn't exclusively limited to being 100x more powerful though?

Originally posted by carver9
What threads are you talking? People have been giving BP a lot of love on here from what I've seen.

yeah, i got no idea what he's talking about either...bp gets TONS of love around here--maybe too much sometimes. i love being painted with a broad brush though--'we' don't give him enough credit. lol if 'they' (read the 'comic vine guys') know so much about him, i really wish they would drop in to help educate us poor yokels.....

who has greater feats overall t'challa or victor

Originally posted by SWblayde938
who has greater feats overall t'challa or victor

Originally posted by Mindset



ok so its fair to say in a prep fight doom wins

in a non prep fight t'challa wins?

Originally posted by deathslash
you mean like when he floored Namor with a normal punch? Or how about when his tech was making Namor scream in agony? Or would you prefer that I bring up how one of Namor 's back hands to the face only made t'challa bleed? He was also taking shots from terrax iirc.

Either BP got a massive upgrade, or this is all some really tremendously bad writing.

Originally posted by Surtur
Either BP got a massive upgrade, or this is all some really tremendously bad writing. in your opinion

1. who wins the prep fight

2. who wins non prep fight

Originally posted by Surtur
Either BP got a massive upgrade, or this is all some really tremendously bad writing. It's the first one. You should read up on Panther's King of the Dead upgrade

Originally posted by SWblayde938
in your opinion

1. who wins the prep fight

2. who wins non prep fight BP isn't winning.

You need to let this one go.

Originally posted by Vanguard
This board is bias against Tchalla though. Especially riv, I don't even know why he bothers to post in threads involving him.
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I guess I'm comparing the respect he gets here to the respect he gets on comicvine. They seem to be more knowledgeable about the character and what he can and cannot do.

Is the 2014 Poster of the Year at Comicvine a big BP fan?

^ not this time.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
in your opinion

1. who wins the prep fight

2. who wins non prep fight

Wakandan resources are impressive, but then this is Doom. Does BP has access to time travel tech?

The non prep fight, I still would say Doom with his armor and sorcery would be too much. Crimson bands of Cyttorak would be a good opening move, though I'm not sure, vibranium apparently does absorb energy so who knows.

Originally posted by Surtur
Wakandan resources are impressive, but then this is Doom. Does BP has access to time travel tech?

The non prep fight, I still would say Doom with his armor and sorcery would be too much. Crimson bands of Cyttorak would be a good opening move, though I'm not sure, vibranium apparently does absorb energy so who knows.

who has greater scientific/technological feats doom or panther

Originally posted by SWblayde938
who has greater scientific/technological feats doom or panther Doom has better feats than BP in almost any category you can think of except martial arts skill.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
who has greater scientific/technological feats doom or panther

Well Doom of course. BP is good, but Doom is...Doom. Like I said, for Doom at times stuff like time travel tech was just a standard thing the guy had in his armor. There are very few Marvel characters who are in the same tier as Doom and Reed when it comes to prep, etc. I would say Thanos is potentially one of them, though he's not necessarily as smart or Doom and Reed when it comes to straight up inventing crap.

To be fair if you want to get technical..Doom is actually millions of years old and stuff. I don't know why I'm even pointing that out..it's just one of those odd things Marvel really never mentioned again.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well Doom of course. BP is good, but Doom is...Doom. Like I said, for Doom at times stuff like time travel tech was just a standard thing the guy had in his armor. There are very few Marvel characters who are in the same tier as Doom and Reed when it comes to prep, etc. I would say Thanos is potentially one of them, though he's not necessarily as smart or Doom and Reed when it comes to straight up inventing crap.

To be fair if you want to get technical..Doom is actually millions of years old and stuff. I don't know why I'm even pointing that out..it's just one of those odd things Marvel really never mentioned again.

so is it fair to say reed is the smartest human in marvel followed closely by doom.

Black Panther would be ranked third

Originally posted by SWblayde938
so is it fair to say reed is the smartest human in marvel followed closely by doom.

Black Panther would be ranked third No.

Originally posted by Mindset
No.

i mean i think its fair to have t'challa as number 3...i mean to be fair he is always reed's science partner, not tony,pym, banner

Originally posted by SWblayde938
so is it fair to say reed is the smartest human in marvel followed closely by doom.

Black Panther would be ranked third

I think Hank Pym might be smarter the BP. As for Reed being the smartest? To be honest, I always more or less saw him and Doom as equals.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
i mean i think its fair to have t'challa as number 3...i mean to be fair he is always reed's science partner, not tony,pym, banner Ok, you would be wrong.

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, you would be wrong. would you put Tony as number 3 then or Pym?

i just always thought T'challa would be number 3 since he is always with Reed as like his main science partner

Originally posted by SWblayde938
would you put Tony as number 3 then or Pym?

i just always thought T'challa would be number 3 since he is always with Reed as like his main science partner
Doom=Reed
Pym
Tony
BP

As far as the ones we have discussed.

so most marvel fans put tony ahead of t'challa

Considering what he's done, most people would, full stop.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Considering what he's done, most people would, full stop.

its not that i don't disagree with you guys its just t'challa is always seen as reed's partner not tony

and t'challa seems like he wins or "outsmarts" tony in most of their confrontations

True.

Well, head over to the Tony Stark respect thread. You'll see that its not that we think T'Challa is crap, but Tony is just that damn good.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t604601.html

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man/StarkRespect16Avengers394.jpg

jesus so t'challa pretty much said all of wakanda's scientific might can't match tony's or something...


so it seems universally most fans would say tony has greater feats than t'challa


but reed is still number 1 though?

then why do you guys think reed always hangs out with t'challa instead of tony lol

No doubt Pym is smarter.
I agree on Doom and Reed as equals too, which is why their rivalry is so interesting.

Originally posted by riv6672
No doubt Pym is smarter.
I agree on Doom and Reed as equals too, which is why their rivalry is so interesting.

so top 5 would be

1. doom/reed
3. pym
4. tony
5. t'challa

Agreed, though i'd lot Pym in there at 1.
People can argue others are smarter but, really at some point you have to look at application as well as IQ.

but wakanda is considered the most advanced country in the marvel earth

yet most people have tony over t'challa? tech/science feat wise

Originally posted by riv6672
Agreed, though i'd lot Pym in there at 1.
People can argue others are smarter but, really at some point you have to look at application as well as IQ. Ok, by application Reed and Doom are consistently above Pym.

Originally posted by riv6672
No doubt Pym is smarter.
I agree on Doom and Reed as equals too, which is why their rivalry is so interesting.

Oh shut up

Originally posted by Vanguard
Oh shut up

so Tony has better feats than T'challa


but im still confused why Reed is always with T'challa as like his main science partner

Originally posted by SWblayde938
so Tony has better feats than T'challa


but im still confused why Reed is always with T'challa as like his main science partner Because he wants to be, who cares?

Originally posted by Mindset
Because he wants to be, who cares? ok i agree that tony has better technological/scientific feats..

but is it just me or does t'challa always outsmart tony for some reason when the confront each other

Originally posted by SWblayde938
ok i agree that tony has better technological/scientific feats..

but is it just me or does t'challa always outsmart tony for some reason when the confront each other I'm starting to think you're Black Panther.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm starting to think you're Black Panther. nah

Originally posted by SWblayde938
but wakanda is considered the most advanced country in the marvel earth

yet most people have tony over t'challa? tech/science feat wise
Pretty sure there are more scientists Wakanda than just BP.

Royal Palace Guy: "My King, teen pregnancy is at an all time high in the Kingdom!"
BP: "Guess i'll have to invent the condom, sex education, and planned parenthood. I'm on it!"

Originally posted by riv6672
Pretty sure there are more scientists Wakanda than just BP.

Royal Palace Guy: "My King, teen pregnancy is at an all time high in the Kingdom!"
BP: "Guess i'll have to invent the condom, sex education, and planned parenthood. I'm on it!" good point

Originally posted by SWblayde938
then why do you guys think reed always hangs out with t'challa instead of tony lol

The answer is obvious: it's because BP isn't an alcoholic.

Originally posted by Surtur
The answer is obvious: it's because BP isn't an alcoholic. but it seems like reed just does technology..while t'challa does the whole dimensional/multiversal science that reed does..or has tony done that too?

T'Challa is also less of a douche than Tony. He can be pretty arrogant sometimes.

While Reed is a COMPLETE douche.

I actually wouldnt be surprised if Reed payed BP off to get rid of Namor, the jealous tool...

but it seems like all you guys are saying that tony has greater technological/scientific feats

but t'challa does the dimensional/multiversal science that reed does...does tony do that too?

jus saying

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Could you make that picture bigger, I couldn't see it

Originally posted by SWblayde938
so Tony has better feats than T'challa


but im still confused why Reed is always with T'challa as like his main science partner Reed and T'Challa are brothers from another mother.

In all seriousness, their bond as brothers goes pretty deep. And Black Panther has butted heads with Stark multiple times.